The tempo in the presto is very slow, BUT it's a big advantage if you want to practice this concerto. In my case, it has helped me a lot. Another advantage is that this concerto is played in 440 Hz pitch
@CavaliarProductions As far as I can tell, it's about 30 cents sharp from A 440 MHz. That's not much, but because my Recorders are a bit flat, I was originally hearing it as a half step difference. This still seems odd, and the only conclusion I can come to is that the recorder was set at that pitch and couldn't really be adjusted, so they brought all the other instruments up to it. I'm not much of a music expert myself, so I'm sure there is a much more logical reason.
@CavaliarProductions That's what I thought, however, upon doing some experimenting, I found this song to be raised a half step from the written pitches. I find this mysterious, because playing this on the alto recorder seems very intuitive as long as it's not raised a half step, but alas that is not the case. Is it this recording? As F minor is a terrible key for just about every instrument and I can't imagine that it is actually the correct key of the song.
You can find many historic interpretations with less vibrato and by the way with crazy fast tempo. You should try resign that, IMHO this performance is the best and more authentic than modern new trend's recordings.
i dont think so tnsnamesoralong, the interpretation of ensembles like la ritirata il giardino armonico ensemble matheus etc ,are studied and was discover more and more books of interpretacion and if they play like this is because the resources they found change the interpretacion of barroque music , i told you like a musician and i play recorder since 1996 :)
Do you really think composers like for example Telemann would want everyone to try to play their music the same way (the goal of historically informed performance movement)? I don't think so. Even composers played their own music other ways than written sometimes. I'm sure Telemann would be amazed by the instruments that have been made after his lifetime.
the music doestn't follow the recording D: i love the recording, can someone tell me which arragement is the one playing on the recording(not the one showing on the video)
This music so performed sounds romantic music, not baroque. They don't sound bad, but they're out of context. I don't know the registration date, but it's very reminiscent of the recordings from half a century ago. Let's be clear, even with modern instruments we can make excellent baroque music, as with ancient instruments we can make bad baroque music; musical instruments are only a means, not the purpose.
To bad that the score isn't in the same key as they play in. Either they play one full step up, if they have instruments tuned in 415. Or they play one half step up if they are tuned in 440. If you want to play along there is a lot transpose to do.
(1) Who cares? It is your problem not mine. ;) (2) Where is your argument? I can't find it ;) (3) This is my upload. And the "authentic"-fans dislike my comment not others (and it will be "invisible" due to "too many negative vote". Go ahead, neither it is my problem. (4) I uploaded historic interpretations too. IMHO that is better than Il Gardino's version what is still terrible for me.
Il Giardino's recording is not "THE WAY" that historically oriented ensembles play, there is a huge variety, many of which I find far more attractive that the OP recording, which may have been state of the art for its time. I do appreciate their ornamentation and other touches. I have never heard a fan of period ensembles defend their playing for their "authenticity", this is a straw man used by people who attack the movement.
I really do like Telemann, but a double concert for a flute and recorder is a sick idea. The intonation differences and the shrill colour of the sound are just unbearable, even in this, pretty good rendition. Although we should probably thank God, that he didn't pick a piccolo for a change.
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this is probably the BEST version of this concerto!!
Glory! I haven't heard anything so beautiful in a while. That's one way to end your day. So glad I subscribed.
Superb. Watching the score in the video added the perfect touch. Thank you! :)
This si my favorite song of all time! It's so beautiful!
Such a perfect way to compare the flute and recorder.
Amazing!
Danke dass Ihr die 'Verlangsamung' in Acht genommen habt! Wundervoll!
i couldn´t believe what my ears were hearing!!!
This is so beautiful!
it's very interesting to see a piece for both flute and recorder
perfect!
Só música top bravo!!!!!
Great use of tone color
yes, great use of . . .
This is soo beautiful!
Thanks for uploading!
00:00 Largo
04:10 Allegro
08:27 Largo
11:24 Presto
Thanks for posting! Will add this to my play list for my winter concert.
The tempo in the presto is very slow, BUT it's a big advantage if you want to practice this concerto. In my case, it has helped me a lot. Another advantage is that this concerto is played in 440 Hz pitch
Achei perfeitoooo...'''
Very enjoyable.
!
GREAT!
don´t worry, it is one of the best interpretation that i have ever heard!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! :o)))))
It is much better that way, with historical instruments and with historical performance. :)
@rosten736
Yes, you are right. I fixed it.
And how do you like this Telemann's concerto? And this recording? ;)
@CavaliarProductions As far as I can tell, it's about 30 cents sharp from A 440 MHz. That's not much, but because my Recorders are a bit flat, I was originally hearing it as a half step difference. This still seems odd, and the only conclusion I can come to is that the recorder was set at that pitch and couldn't really be adjusted, so they brought all the other instruments up to it. I'm not much of a music expert myself, so I'm sure there is a much more logical reason.
MHz???
I thing they tuned their instruments with baroque tuning.
Where you get the score????
@CavaliarProductions That's what I thought, however, upon doing some experimenting, I found this song to be raised a half step from the written pitches. I find this mysterious, because playing this on the alto recorder seems very intuitive as long as it's not raised a half step, but alas that is not the case. Is it this recording? As F minor is a terrible key for just about every instrument and I can't imagine that it is actually the correct key of the song.
You can find many historic interpretations with less vibrato and by the way with crazy fast tempo. You should try resign that, IMHO this performance is the best and more authentic than modern new trend's recordings.
sorry I can't find this score, can you tell me where I can take?
That's because the recorder matches better with a traverso (baroque flute) rather than with a modern flute.
Is this played on the alto recorder?
Indeed, sometimes known as treble.
that's why he's included the sheet music. seeing is believing
sorry, but where I can find this notes? or part for flute
imslp.org/wiki/Concerto_for_Recorder_and_Flute,_TWV_52:e1_(Telemann,_Georg_Philipp)
Wonderful piece, absolutely hideous recording!
i dont think so tnsnamesoralong, the interpretation of ensembles like la ritirata il giardino armonico ensemble matheus etc ,are studied and was discover more and more books of interpretacion and if they play like this is because the resources they found change the interpretacion of barroque music , i told you like a musician and i play recorder since 1996 :)
I heard this on Sirius XM. I had to get it.
IMHO, the Il Gardino's recording is the worst. It is horroristic terrible. You can find in TH-cam. ;)
Do you really think composers like for example Telemann would want everyone to try to play their music the same way (the goal of historically informed performance movement)? I don't think so. Even composers played their own music other ways than written sometimes. I'm sure Telemann would be amazed by the instruments that have been made after his lifetime.
the music doestn't follow the recording D: i love the recording, can someone tell me which arragement is the one playing on the recording(not the one showing on the video)
dude just just enjoy the music, that's it
I'm playing that with my ensemble. It's a great music and much better that way than this, on the recording. :)
This music so performed sounds romantic music, not baroque. They don't sound bad, but they're out of context. I don't know the registration date, but it's very reminiscent of the recordings from half a century ago. Let's be clear, even with modern instruments we can make excellent baroque music, as with ancient instruments we can make bad baroque music; musical instruments are only a means, not the purpose.
Nice, but it would be much better with traversflute and recorder, they go better together.
To bad that the score isn't in the same key as they play in. Either they play one full step up, if they have instruments tuned in 415. Or they play one half step up if they are tuned in 440. If you want to play along there is a lot transpose to do.
Untrue
(1) Who cares? It is your problem not mine. ;)
(2) Where is your argument? I can't find it ;)
(3) This is my upload. And the "authentic"-fans dislike my comment not others (and it will be "invisible" due to "too many negative vote". Go ahead, neither it is my problem.
(4) I uploaded historic interpretations too. IMHO that is better than Il Gardino's version what is still terrible for me.
Il Giardino's recording is not "THE WAY" that historically oriented ensembles play, there is a huge variety, many of which I find far more attractive that the OP recording, which may have been state of the art for its time. I do appreciate their ornamentation and other touches. I have never heard a fan of period ensembles defend their playing for their "authenticity", this is a straw man used by people who attack the movement.
Definitly giardino armonicos's version is too exaggerated and pompous!!, is the worst accordin with you
what a fatal combination: the flute and recorder!
I really do like Telemann, but a double concert for a flute and recorder is a sick idea. The intonation differences and the shrill colour of the sound are just unbearable, even in this, pretty good rendition. Although we should probably thank God, that he didn't pick a piccolo for a change.
The wooden transverse flutes of Vivaldi and Telemanns time are almost the same in timbre...
This is a horrible recording, listen to a good one.