I did enjoy you reasoning on this subject, Michael. I use a av amp and have a pair of floorstanders and they go to 29hz,so no subwoofer needed and so more room for radios, lol. Best wishes , Daz.
Hi Darren, I'm so pleased a fellow TH-cam maker like yourself watches my channel. Amplifiers and other related audio are everywhere in my home. Radios on the other hand, well I have one really small portable. Being in NZ we don't receive much here other than local stuff and the usual religion and sports fodder. All radio here is full of adverts every 8 or so minuets. Drives me nuts, I simply don't listen. All my music is now on FLAC files on my PC, which we both listen to most every day. Ohh and of course the BBC on the web player, the quality of which is only fair. Not like the olden days when the BBC led the world with broadcast quality in sound and content.
@@MichaelBeeny Most of the ILR stations in the UK have been bought up and become Heart or Greatest Hits. A few new local stations have started online or on Digital radio to try and give local content. The Bit rate is so low on digital radio that you dont want to listen to it on your HiFi. I like to listen to Radio Caroline on old AM radios for the old times sake. I have a large FLAC collection too I play on my Rasperry PI Player. I think the BBC isn't so well off to offer what it could. But we can share our content and our hobby here. Daz
To get the full dynamics of a modern movie you'll need something more capable than a sound bar because the small drive units just won't cut it. My sound system has a pair of Adam T8V active nearfield monitors which at £400/pair sometimes have me lowering the volume level on the noisier parts of a movie then raising the level once again for the dialogue. The specification is; The ADAM Audio T8V pair can reach SPLS of 118 dBs, in addition to going as low as 33 Hz, which makes it particularly suitable for those making bass-heavy music and they sound very good when playing regular audio too.
Good thoughts Mike. It just shows that the average consumer has no idea, and a hungry salesman is his prey. I once had a tv with stereo output. Simply hooking it up to a portable stereo provided vastly better sound. And as you said, a class d amplifier is a very cost effective solution.
I absolutely agree. The price we pay for the flat screen tv is a crappy sound. I hooked the tv receiver up to my hifi system years ago and enjoy it daily. People don’t appreciate hifi systems anymore, they like their sound system to sit pretty on the wall and people like you and me end up fixing them when they fail in 3 years time. I was wondering though, what did the man in the shop end up buying?😊
I don't know, he was still in the shop after I left. He probably thought "what an idiot" and promptly purchased a sound bar. lol. I think I should just mind my own business.
TVs are optimised to make you NEED additional audio items. If I consider the "sound quality" on better notebooks and things like large iPads, there is no excuse for the terrible sound - even in thin cabinets.
I had a $5000 surround system in my living room, I remove all this and find a nice but broken wooden 3.1 Klipsch sound bar with sub. Total cost with the repair I done $90 canadian looneys! Tv, movie and even music sound amazing and take no space. I buy a small $400 Sonos beam sound bar for another TV and it sound realy good for what it is. All this to say there is good sound bar outhere who can play music but a $800 set of 5.1 speaker with a $300 AV receiver can give you a lot more unless like me you got them for cheaper then dirt!
If your TV has a pair of RCA line out sockets or a headphone socket, then connecting to a pair of half decent active speakers is a simple and effective way to improve the sound, and of course they can remain either side of the TV to keep things tidy.
Bringing up the topic of the importance of Center channel in H.T. systems... ..& the centre of a stereo image from L/R speakers... Here's some thoughts of mine. Back in the 70's ..(I was a kid then) , I remember some stereo amps had some additional controls.. some variable some switched... " Panorama Stereo " mode " Stereo Wide" / "Blend" mode. stereo wide would increase the L/R seperation.....& blend woud bring it closer.. then today we have the karaoke circuit in some... .. I'm just wondering..if a circuit/s could be built to extract the mono only component from the stereo component and feed it to a dedicated centre channel ....and the L/R has reduced or adjustable mono component.. Of course all this in analog...with maybe some mux/demux analog switches and digital logic thrown in. I.M.H.O. this centre ch. prog. material shoud be b.w. limited to 240Hz to 6-8 kHz... with 6dB slopes either sides.. A permutation combo. of this stereo wide along with something on the lines of the karaoke ckt.and/or some inverse functions....could achieve this... Then we can have L/C/R for ordinary HI FI listening😅..& get rid of that exclusive.. "SWEET SPOT"
We kind of have that with Dolby Prologic. All the info is contained in analog form in a stereo signal. It extracts center and mono surround from that signal.
@@MichaelBeeny ..yes that's known .. ProLogic||/||x/||z....DTS NEO6..etc...these have time(phase)delays/shift....besides matrix manipulation...these focus on surround... My contention is to obtain just a pure R/C/L...from stereo...with subsequently related changes to original R/L (gain & b.w. only).
I think for voice match reason, center channel and left, right channel should be bought at the same time. Otherwise, when ready for center channel, the same series may no longer be available
That depends to a large degree on how good the AVR's room correction feature is. It's certainly true in the case of Audyssey MultEQ XT (and upwards) that it can dial in fairly wide discrepancies between speakers. Of course, the closer they are in the first place, the closer they will be dialled in. By carefully selecting a centre speaker with a similar frequency response to my front floorstanders, MultEQ XT has managed to dial in a 2020s centre speaker to match a pair of 1980s floorstanders from a different manufacturer as seamlessly as makes no audible difference.
I can get a pretty reliable 45 Hertz out of my sound bar woofer, but the rest of the system is, as you say, far inferior to any reasonable stereo setup.
I'm sure you can appreciate the market has hundreds of different models available. Clearly, I have not heard all of them. I'm sure a few exist that are passable. I appreciate your comment.
You're still losing an entire octave of low frequency response compared to some large floorstanders. Of course, whether that matters to you or not is entirely up to you.
As always, please leave a comment, but please don't ask about specific pieces of equipment.
I’ve just connected my tv to my hifi setup (Onkyo A-9150 and B&W CDM-7) with a Toslink cable, works beautifully. Best to you from the Netherlands
I did enjoy you reasoning on this subject, Michael. I use a av amp and have a pair of floorstanders and they go to 29hz,so no subwoofer needed and so more room for radios, lol. Best wishes , Daz.
Hi Darren, I'm so pleased a fellow TH-cam maker like yourself watches my channel. Amplifiers and other related audio are everywhere in my home. Radios on the other hand, well I have one really small portable. Being in NZ we don't receive much here other than local stuff and the usual religion and sports fodder. All radio here is full of adverts every 8 or so minuets. Drives me nuts, I simply don't listen. All my music is now on FLAC files on my PC, which we both listen to most every day. Ohh and of course the BBC on the web player, the quality of which is only fair. Not like the olden days when the BBC led the world with broadcast quality in sound and content.
@@MichaelBeeny Most of the ILR stations in the UK have been bought up and become Heart or Greatest Hits. A few new local stations have started online or on Digital radio to try and give local content. The Bit rate is so low on digital radio that you dont want to listen to it on your HiFi. I like to listen to Radio Caroline on old AM radios for the old times sake. I have a large FLAC collection too I play on my Rasperry PI Player. I think the BBC isn't so well off to offer what it could. But we can share our content and our hobby here. Daz
Great video with an very interesting theme, and quite useful information as usual. Thnx for the video and your good work. Best regards
To get the full dynamics of a modern movie you'll need something more capable than a sound bar because the small drive units just won't cut it. My sound system has a pair of Adam T8V active nearfield monitors which at £400/pair sometimes have me lowering the volume level on the noisier parts of a movie then raising the level once again for the dialogue.
The specification is; The ADAM Audio T8V pair can reach SPLS of 118 dBs, in addition to going as low as 33 Hz, which makes it particularly suitable for those making bass-heavy music and they sound very good when playing regular audio too.
Good thoughts Mike. It just shows that the average consumer has no idea, and a hungry salesman is his prey.
I once had a tv with stereo output. Simply hooking it up to a portable stereo provided vastly better sound. And as you said, a class d amplifier is a very cost effective solution.
I did just that Bill for many years, long before any AVI amps came to the market.
Very interesting - thanks a lot!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I absolutely agree. The price we pay for the flat screen tv is a crappy sound. I hooked the tv receiver up to my hifi system years ago and enjoy it daily. People don’t appreciate hifi systems anymore, they like their sound system to sit pretty on the wall and people like you and me end up fixing them when they fail in 3 years time. I was wondering though, what did the man in the shop end up buying?😊
I don't know, he was still in the shop after I left. He probably thought "what an idiot" and promptly purchased a sound bar. lol. I think I should just mind my own business.
@@MichaelBeenyto each his own,..BUT AT LEAST YOU TRIED ❤
TVs are optimised to make you NEED additional audio items. If I consider the "sound quality" on better notebooks and things like large iPads, there is no excuse for the terrible sound - even in thin cabinets.
I had a $5000 surround system in my living room, I remove all this and find a nice but broken wooden 3.1 Klipsch sound bar with sub. Total cost with the repair I done $90 canadian looneys! Tv, movie and even music sound amazing and take no space. I buy a small $400 Sonos beam sound bar for another TV and it sound realy good for what it is. All this to say there is good sound bar outhere who can play music but a $800 set of 5.1 speaker with a $300 AV receiver can give you a lot more unless like me you got them for cheaper then dirt!
If your TV has a pair of RCA line out sockets or a headphone socket, then connecting to a pair of half decent active speakers is a simple and effective way to improve the sound, and of course they can remain either side of the TV to keep things tidy.
Thats very true George, something I have done myself over the years.
me too did that with an extra set of 2.1 lying around.😂
Bringing up the topic of the importance of Center channel in H.T. systems...
..& the centre of a stereo image from L/R speakers...
Here's some thoughts of mine.
Back in the 70's ..(I was a kid then) , I remember some stereo amps had some additional controls..
some variable some switched...
" Panorama Stereo " mode
" Stereo Wide" / "Blend" mode.
stereo wide would increase the L/R seperation.....& blend woud bring it closer..
then today we have the karaoke circuit in some...
.. I'm just wondering..if a circuit/s could be built to extract the mono only component from the stereo component and feed it to a dedicated centre channel ....and the L/R has reduced or adjustable mono component..
Of course all this in analog...with maybe some mux/demux analog switches and digital logic thrown in.
I.M.H.O. this centre ch. prog. material shoud be b.w. limited to 240Hz to 6-8 kHz... with 6dB slopes either sides..
A permutation combo. of this stereo wide along with something on the lines of the karaoke ckt.and/or some inverse functions....could achieve this...
Then we can have L/C/R for ordinary HI FI listening😅..& get rid of that exclusive..
"SWEET SPOT"
We kind of have that with Dolby Prologic. All the info is contained in analog form in a stereo signal. It extracts center and mono surround from that signal.
@@MichaelBeeny ..yes that's known ..
ProLogic||/||x/||z....DTS NEO6..etc...these have time(phase)delays/shift....besides matrix manipulation...these focus on surround...
My contention is to obtain just a pure
R/C/L...from stereo...with subsequently related changes to original R/L (gain & b.w. only).
Maybe a class a soundbar with tubes, valves.,?😊
Good idea, you could make it look like a wall heater!
😂
I think for voice match reason, center channel and left, right channel should be bought at the same time. Otherwise, when ready for center channel, the same series may no longer be available
You are right of course. I suggested this for people on a limited budget that could afford to purchase this way. Good point, thank you.
That depends to a large degree on how good the AVR's room correction feature is. It's certainly true in the case of Audyssey MultEQ XT (and upwards) that it can dial in fairly wide discrepancies between speakers. Of course, the closer they are in the first place, the closer they will be dialled in. By carefully selecting a centre speaker with a similar frequency response to my front floorstanders, MultEQ XT has managed to dial in a 2020s centre speaker to match a pair of 1980s floorstanders from a different manufacturer as seamlessly as makes no audible difference.
Bluetooth earbuds have been my solution , especially when I need to walk into another room .
lol. Yes, speakers are not very mobile for sure.
ear buds today... ghetto blasters & boom boxes on the shoulders way back then 😅😅😅
it's da zound that matterz..
I can get a pretty reliable 45 Hertz out of my sound bar woofer, but the rest of the system is, as you say, far inferior to any reasonable stereo setup.
I'm sure you can appreciate the market has hundreds of different models available. Clearly, I have not heard all of them. I'm sure a few exist that are passable. I appreciate your comment.
You're still losing an entire octave of low frequency response compared to some large floorstanders. Of course, whether that matters to you or not is entirely up to you.
@@MrSlipstreemRight, because you're getting a reliable 20 Hertz from your floor standing speakers. Uh huh... 😂
Ordinary bookshelf spkrs. easily do 38-40 (one octave less).....but size does matter too.