Lisu, the dude in this Tatsujin video that was featured on beatmaniaIIDX 6th style CS, is a skilled pianist. I forget his website URL, but he had some cool original compositions on there, and explained his name Lisu is derived from one of his favorite composers, Franz Liszt. He's pretty amazing, and one of the best one-handed IIDX players!
BizerkPixel It's very difficult to get your timing right when the notes are visually so close together, even if you are technically playing to the beat of the music. Pretty much EVERYONE plays with some degree of high speed these days.
BizerkPixel Yes and no, and perhaps I should have expanded on this on my first comment. For easier songs without too many notes it absolutely helps, for the reason you mentioned. With more difficult songs however (and the threshold may vary from one player to another), many notes falling down so closely together just becomes confusing and difficult to read (1:57 for instance). Another factor is precise timing. With hi-speed on, you can get a much better feel for whether you are hitting the notes too early or too late, as it helps you visually compensate your movement relative to where you see the notes falling. This is impossible without hi-speed because the notes usually fall too slow (unless the BPM hits 300 or so). Both of the reasons boil down to the goal of minimizing the amount of notes you see on screen, falling at the optimum speed you can respond to.
That video dates back to 2002 and never ceases to impress people. Simply amazing! And for those interested: beatmania is THE game that introduced the concept of rhythm-gaming as we know it.
Having been to Tokyo, the weirdest thing is that you can walk into ANY arcade, and there will be at least one Japanese guy playing Beatmania at such an insane level!
It becomes easier and easier with practise. When you have completely mastered something by practising day after day for months, or even years, you do in by instinct.
there's like a million different videos on youtube showcasing this exact clip. but i just love to watch mr. Lisu do his thing and read all the praising comments. Lisu is definately something special. it's a shame he quit. at least he stepped out of the light. i'm absolutly sure he still plays at least in the privacy of his own home.
Lisu actually memorized some of these notecharts so he could do this V thing with the TV off, after him there's not many videos like that, it takes too long time to memorize so many notes. For example, DJ SILENT memorized some of Mei A14, although that's just for the FC with a low score (anmitsu) (so he's motivated to get the [first] FC, otherwise there's no motivation to memorize notes unless you're a little OCD-ish/similar), and there's a video in my account of 1 guy memorizing anmitsu in quasar A14 (watch?v=QOGsebwJwvQ)
I find it amusing that, for some reason, this was played on a beatstage II cabinet (aka non DX version). I would love to know the context to why this is the case.
Dude. It's so hard to actually be this good. I was in a regional championship one time mixing Second Heaven. I totally was owned. very great DJ, one of the best, and yes, GOD!
"Turntablism as a modern art form and musical practice has its roots within hip hop and hip hop culture of the early 1970s. It stems from one of the culture's "four pillars" - DJing (see "four elements," Hip Hop Culture). Scratching was already widespread within hip hop by DJs and producers by the time turntablists started to appear."
though there are more one-handed players as good or even better than lisu now, i still applaud him for the fact that this video is freaking 6 years ago !!! SCARY !! He's amazing to do something 6 years ago that only recently players manage to match up with him. lisu ftw !
@TPHSnowman I totally agree with you here : it's absolutely not a DJ simulator (I think it's closer to playing a really small synthetizer lol), and DJ hero is probably more realistic. But it doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of the game. Also, if you're looking for an arcade DJ game, you might be interested in Crackin' DJ (2 turntables and a crossfader).
What gameinformer meant is that people complain about the difficulty, and this makes anything Guitar Hero has look like mastering the potty. And with the buttons AND the turntable, it whoops Guitar Hero. Maybe not rock n roll, but it's a piano. A very, very insane piano.
@otacon1994 No, you can play beatmania at home too, most versions are released for the PS2. There are beatmania controllers that you hook up to the PLaystation 2. And DjHero isn't used more... at all.
Anyone else notice that his hand jumps up and down on one camera but stays level on the other? I'm not sure if they are just two different takes or if one camera is just not seeing the hand movement properly.
The vertical camera is zoomed/cropped, and so depth gets lost. Look closely at 0:41. After he hits the turntable, watch his left hand. The thumb relaxes at exactly the same time in both angles. I'm convinced it's a single take, but that the camera above just doesn't see the bouncing of his right hand as much because of the angle.
I love the part where it goes into the piano solo, because then it finally makes sense for a little bit why lisu plays the way he does. @omgitskyle1234 Why is it every time someone sees someone displaying an amount of talent that they themselves don't have, some individual has to go attribute it to ridiculous generalizations that have absolutely no bearing on reality? You really think a person needs to practice every waking hour to play like that? Really?
@B4N64L4N LISU is a special case of a player who's extremely good playing one-handed. Most people use both hands on the buttons and the left pinky finger to do the scratches. The harder songs are not meant to be done one-handed... I assume most players would get better scores if they just used both hands. Besides, this song doesn't even begin to show how hard BM is. Look up "Mei another", "Mendes another", "3y3s another", those are some really freaking hard songs D:
Antonio Vivaldi (1725) I did a report on him 'cause I loved this song so much, lol What's hiliarious... is that this is the "winter" song from his 4 seasons. I'm POSITIVE ya'll'll recognize the other seasons, especially the "spring" song.
@JustinNiggalake I've seen a lot of Bemani fanboys say DJ Hero is a ripoff of Beatmania, but I agree with you. I'm not saying this is a bad game, I haven't played it so I'm in no position to say that, but from the videos I've seen, it's a COMPLETELY different beast from DJ Hero.
However Tairyu scored AAA in V2 with 1 hand, so there has been improvement, just not high-speed 1 stuff... hmm except for dj quasar high-speed 1 in some songs (Icarus (A))
well at my arcade we have 1 beatmania machine, 1 guitar freaks, and 1 drum mania. but I don't really go to arcades too much. I might start now. Beatmania is pretty fun
My hands are tingly and in pain just WATCHING that one! No way in **** I could even BEGIN to do anything like that.....especially when it got to where he was using 2 hands on the buttons
@CallistoAshus You may be correct, but when you want a truly hardcore experience Guitar hero isn't where you turn to. 4 years of playing pop'n music taught me that.
@TPHSnowman Yeah well this is beatmania IIDX 6th style, which came out 8 YEARS before DJ hero (the current version is IIDX 19), and the difficulty has increased since then. Also it might not be obvious on the video, but your timing needs to be infinitely more accurate in IIDX than in guitar hero or DJ hero. So yes it's a different gameplay, but no, it's in no way easier than DJ hero. If you really had to compare I'm pretty sure IIDX would actually be harder.
@stoneblock12 It's not about making music (also, remixing does not count as being a musician). It's about being good at this game, which doesn't have anything to do with real dj's.
![[IIDX] V (ANOTHER) - Full Combo.](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6rDRv6766GQ/mqdefault.jpg)
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 89 | คู่เอก "ยอดไอคิว vs คิริลล์"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z3vYkHJ_5Ig/mqdefault.jpg)
何度見ても神だわ。
かたても凄いけど、オプションが何もないのが一番凄い。
片手さばきに注目されがちだけど
ハイスピなしと当時光りにくいこの筐体でAA出してるのがヤバい
当時こんなんできる奴いんのかと思ってたのに、できるどころか片手でやっててあたおかなの？ってなった記憶が蘇る
Lisu, the dude in this Tatsujin video that was featured on beatmaniaIIDX 6th style CS, is a skilled pianist. I forget his website URL, but he had some cool original compositions on there, and explained his name Lisu is derived from one of his favorite composers, Franz Liszt.
He's pretty amazing, and one of the best one-handed IIDX players!
1:38 ここのアレンジ好き
I'm more impressed that he's not using any hi-speed at all.
why is that? sorry beatmania noob here.
BizerkPixel
It's very difficult to get your timing right when the notes are visually so close together, even if you are technically playing to the beat of the music. Pretty much EVERYONE plays with some degree of high speed these days.
mwkmn interesting. I always thought slower speed allowed you to have more time to see notes coming.
BizerkPixel
Yes and no, and perhaps I should have expanded on this on my first comment. For easier songs without too many notes it absolutely helps, for the reason you mentioned. With more difficult songs however (and the threshold may vary from one player to another), many notes falling down so closely together just becomes confusing and difficult to read (1:57 for instance).
Another factor is precise timing. With hi-speed on, you can get a much better feel for whether you are hitting the notes too early or too late, as it helps you visually compensate your movement relative to where you see the notes falling. This is impossible without hi-speed because the notes usually fall too slow (unless the BPM hits 300 or so).
Both of the reasons boil down to the goal of minimizing the amount of notes you see on screen, falling at the optimum speed you can respond to.
mwkmn i see. thanks
i remember seeing this in the japanese version of beatmania and thought "man i will never be this good and i can say this with absolute certainty"
That video dates back to 2002 and never ceases to impress people. Simply amazing!
And for those interested: beatmania is THE game that introduced the concept of rhythm-gaming as we know it.
Damn 2010 was 12 years ago when this comment was written
This comment is almost as old as I am
自分がIIDXを始めるキッカケになった動画。この人は今でも自分の中でレジェンドです
自分も
Lisu, the one-handed IIDX legend.
Indeed
Just wanted to ask:"That's not a normal BM play style is it?"
The 19th Fighter Yep, the normal one is you use two hands to press the buttons.
DJ EXIT is smiling
もう十年以上前なのか……
この人のおかげで両手プレイできなくなった
最後の方で両手使い始めるところが逆にかっこいい
出来なくなっちゃったんだ
達人ムービーはどれも衝撃的すぎて真似したくなる罠
このcs6thの動画で弐寺が好きになったあの頃...
ⅡDX黎明期の伝説だよな
😢😢
今見てもすごいわ・・・
13年も前も昔でここまで精度取れていて...しかも片手っておかしいよ
弐寺 TOMATO AC中伝 CS皆伝 正確に言うと17年前だよ！
結構ズレてて草
ほぼサントラ
しかもノースピ…
しかも判定が厳しめの時のやつ
One of the only videos that shows a simple Beatmania 2 cabinet.
i think you will find all the tatsujin videos in iidx 6th style were done on a beatmania ii cabinet
いつの時代でもレジェンドはいるんだな…
good times right here. Thank you for this video!
Having been to Tokyo, the weirdest thing is that you can walk into ANY arcade, and there will be at least one Japanese guy playing Beatmania at such an insane level!
2024 check-in ... still legend~
急におすすめに出てきたけどなんじゃこりゃあ...片手で捌けるものだったのか...
上回るスコアはたくさん出たとは言え、このプレーは今見ても人を唸らせる…
It becomes easier and easier with practise. When you have completely mastered something by practising day after day for months, or even years, you do in by instinct.
これみて弐寺初めました!!くっそ楽しい!!
異次元過ぎて逆に笑ってしまう。
この人、ホントに人間か？(汗
黎明期プレイヤーの自由な運指すき
小学生のころ、度々見る動画でした。
久しぶりに見たら過去が感じられる。
From dj.taka
Song: V
Also available for DDR Extreme
there's like a million different videos on youtube showcasing this exact clip. but i just love to watch mr. Lisu do his thing and read all the praising comments. Lisu is definately something special. it's a shame he quit. at least he stepped out of the light. i'm absolutly sure he still plays at least in the privacy of his own home.
これとポップンのクラシック4のやつで音ゲーに憧れるきっかけになった
あの当時...LISUさんとAGOPさんは神でした。懐かしい。
韓国のKIN!って人もどうしてるのか気になります。
Lisu actually memorized some of these notecharts so he could do this V thing with the TV off, after him there's not many videos like that, it takes too long time to memorize so many notes. For example, DJ SILENT memorized some of Mei A14, although that's just for the FC with a low score (anmitsu) (so he's motivated to get the [first] FC, otherwise there's no motivation to memorize notes unless you're a little OCD-ish/similar), and there's a video in my account of 1 guy memorizing anmitsu in quasar A14 (watch?v=QOGsebwJwvQ)
ノースピでやってる所も神ですな
目を開けなくてもできるってことかよ、、、
やべぇ、、
LISUさんの譜面暗記は、7th当時ハイスピ変更出来ないエキスパのMAX300混じったコースで、皆HS遅い中、HS3でランキング入りしてる時だけだと思います。
I find it amusing that, for some reason, this was played on a beatstage II cabinet (aka non DX version). I would love to know the context to why this is the case.
man the makers of beatmania making songs that are hard as hell but yet possible. The amazingness of japan
Dude. It's so hard to actually be this good.
I was in a regional championship one time mixing Second Heaven. I totally was owned.
very great DJ, one of the best, and yes, GOD!
この神は今どうしてるんだろう…。
this is inhumane at this point. hes truly on a different level
1 handed? O_O
CS版IIDX6th持ってたけど、やっぱりすごいプレイヤーですね
左手「しょうがないなぁ」
これを昔見て越えることが無理な高すぎる壁を感じたのが懐かしい
手捌きが美しすぎる
Invoker...
今見てもすごいです。
今でもこんなん出来るプレイヤーいないんじゃないのかってくらいヤバい
最強の運指
"Turntablism as a modern art form and musical practice has its roots within hip hop and hip hop culture of the early 1970s. It stems from one of the culture's "four pillars" - DJing (see "four elements," Hip Hop Culture). Scratching was already widespread within hip hop by DJs and producers by the time turntablists started to appear."
2005년도에 한국 랭킹 4위까지 찍고 군대갔는데...이 영상을 그 전에 봤으면 아예 안했을 것 같다. 난 재능이 없었거든😂
True man, so true. This game blows Dj Hero away.
though there are more one-handed players as good or even better than lisu now, i still applaud him for the fact that this video is freaking 6 years ago !!!
SCARY !! He's amazing to do something 6 years ago that only recently players manage to match up with him.
lisu ftw !
Impressive for one handed. Keep it up
@TPHSnowman I totally agree with you here : it's absolutely not a DJ simulator (I think it's closer to playing a really small synthetizer lol), and DJ hero is probably more realistic. But it doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of the game.
Also, if you're looking for an arcade DJ game, you might be interested in Crackin' DJ (2 turntables and a crossfader).
this song is twice as hard compered to any gutair hero song this guy is the master of Beatmania
What gameinformer meant is that people complain about the difficulty, and this makes anything Guitar Hero has look like mastering the potty. And with the buttons AND the turntable, it whoops Guitar Hero. Maybe not rock n roll, but it's a piano. A very, very insane piano.
@123heroe123 The entire song is based off Antonio Vivaldi's "Winter" from the Four Seasons.
@otacon1994
No, you can play beatmania at home too, most versions are released for the PS2. There are beatmania controllers that you hook up to the PLaystation 2. And DjHero isn't used more... at all.
cs6thで弐寺始めて18年近く経つ。子供に邪魔されながりも続けているSP皆伝底辺DP十段だが、未だにDP運指の参考にしている。冥3900も凄いが、自分にとってはLISUさんが最高最強の伝説。
This is like the rhythm game community's version of the Daigo Parry at EVO.
両手使ってもAA出ないのにやば
ピアノの経験ってやっぱり凄い
一介のピアニスト上りでこれなんだから、コンクール上位のピアニスト達はほんもんのばけもんなんでしょう
와 저배속 리딩이되나..
거이 원핸드에 이게 13년전 플레이 ㄷㄷ
걍 미쳤네
딱 12년전에 본거같은데 2~3년에 한번씩 생각날때 보러옴요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
That is made of pure awesomage.
So I'm here because of Day9 from The Tasteless Podcast... seems like this would be something a Starcraft gamer would like
昔でこの光り様はすごい...
Flawless Victory.
この人半年くらい前にテレビに出てたよね
Beatsteage II筐体やんけ
Anyone else notice that his hand jumps up and down on one camera but stays level on the other? I'm not sure if they are just two different takes or if one camera is just not seeing the hand movement properly.
The vertical camera is zoomed/cropped, and so depth gets lost. Look closely at 0:41. After he hits the turntable, watch his left hand. The thumb relaxes at exactly the same time in both angles. I'm convinced it's a single take, but that the camera above just doesn't see the bouncing of his right hand as much because of the angle.
holy shit... those fingers got a mind of there own
@Natemsucram the table the game is played on have both left and right hand sides.
Legendary Legend!
I love the part where it goes into the piano solo, because then it finally makes sense for a little bit why lisu plays the way he does.
@omgitskyle1234 Why is it every time someone sees someone displaying an amount of talent that they themselves don't have, some individual has to go attribute it to ridiculous generalizations that have absolutely no bearing on reality? You really think a person needs to practice every waking hour to play like that? Really?
@B4N64L4N
LISU is a special case of a player who's extremely good playing one-handed. Most people use both hands on the buttons and the left pinky finger to do the scratches.
The harder songs are not meant to be done one-handed... I assume most players would get better scores if they just used both hands.
Besides, this song doesn't even begin to show how hard BM is. Look up "Mei another", "Mendes another", "3y3s another", those are some really freaking hard songs D:
何から賞賛すればいいのかわからん...
これが理論値出てるのもすごいけどハイスピデフォのままでここまで出来るのヤバすぎる()
急におすすめに出てきたんだが
指の動きがホント綺麗
Antonio Vivaldi (1725) I did a report on him 'cause I loved this song so much, lol
What's hiliarious... is that this is the "winter" song from his 4 seasons. I'm POSITIVE ya'll'll recognize the other seasons, especially the "spring" song.
@JustinNiggalake I've seen a lot of Bemani fanboys say DJ Hero is a ripoff of Beatmania, but I agree with you. I'm not saying this is a bad game, I haven't played it so I'm in no position to say that, but from the videos I've seen, it's a COMPLETELY different beast from DJ Hero.
TH-cam古参すぎる、、
However Tairyu scored AAA in V2 with 1 hand, so there has been improvement, just not high-speed 1 stuff... hmm except for dj quasar high-speed 1 in some songs (Icarus (A))
well at my arcade we have 1 beatmania machine, 1 guitar freaks, and 1 drum mania. but I don't really go to arcades too much. I might start now. Beatmania is pretty fun
So this is the man that will save the world....
My hands are tingly and in pain just WATCHING that one! No way in **** I could even BEGIN to do anything like that.....especially when it got to where he was using 2 hands on the buttons
이게 벌써 17년전에 올라온 거구나.. この存在は人間とは呼べません😂
day 9 got me here
@CallistoAshus You may be correct, but when you want a truly hardcore experience Guitar hero isn't where you turn to. 4 years of playing pop'n music taught me that.
Yes, the turntable should have more use. It's like they put it there for looks or something.
This guy is a monster!
im speechless as to how cool that was
Inhuman skills. ALIENS ARE WITH US.
@TPHSnowman Yeah well this is beatmania IIDX 6th style, which came out 8 YEARS before DJ hero (the current version is IIDX 19), and the difficulty has increased since then. Also it might not be obvious on the video, but your timing needs to be infinitely more accurate in IIDX than in guitar hero or DJ hero.
So yes it's a different gameplay, but no, it's in no way easier than DJ hero. If you really had to compare I'm pretty sure IIDX would actually be harder.
ノースピと長キービームの相性は最悪！
バケモンでしょう
holy shit guitar hero 3 is nothing when i see this omfg u are amazing =O
@stoneblock12 It's not about making music (also, remixing does not count as being a musician). It's about being good at this game, which doesn't have anything to do with real dj's.
CS版Bertmania2DX 6thstyle「達人ムービー」より
You mean this guy will forever be my idol
6th styleの達人ムービーだっけ？
家庭用のね
持ってるからわかるけど