Classical Composer Reacts to Rhayader/Rhayader Goes to Town (Camel) | The Daily Doug (Episode 205)
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In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to music by Camel for the very first time. Adi from India suggested Rhayader and Rhayader Goes to Town from their The Snow Goose Album. I enjoyed this quirky little two-song set...especially that tritone substitution!
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Doug, you need to hear the entire studio recording of Snow Goose. In one sitting, like Free Hand.
Yep, partly because there are better tracks than these two on it. The snow goose's theme is particularly gorgeous.
You're definitely right.
For sure
Soooo true! It’s M A G I C A L !!!
Definitely
Camel is such a great and underappreciated band. Thanks, Doug!
What a nice surprise, I hope that you do more Camel, Lady Fantasy would be great.
Camel is criminally underrated in the prog world and some of best prog ever made.
I think in the prog world they are very recognized and appreciated
yeah but not like kc yes and pf
@@kacperfornal5998 Camel can stand against them.
@@kacperfornal5998 crazy how you mentioned the big 4 of prog. idc genesis isn't part of big 4
Thanks for that, Doug! I suspect the majority of Camel fans would prefer the studio version, with all the original line-up? I never felt they were the same after Pete Bardens, in particular, left. A very large part of Camel's music was instrumental, and they lacked a strong vocalist/frontman, which may be a reason they never hit the popularity of some of their peers? Lady Fantasy or Lunar Sea, or more of Snow Goose?
The Studio version is better, in my opinion, but this is a great live version, too!
Yeah, the studio version is better
Yep, what they said. The album would be a much cleaner listen to all the musical details. Lots of interesting composition, and the album is one solid concept/song/compositional suite. You owe yourself, at least, a full, uninterrupted headphone listen...
Another note, one of their best, but sounding a bit of a departure from their usual sound. They are usually a bit more jazzy/jazz rock ish than this...
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Also concur. This is fun, but the overall feel of the piece is surprisingly different from the studio version. This is almost Wishbone Ash-y in places (whom I also love but for a different listening experience). There is a timelessness to the studio version, whereas this is solidly 70's, at least to my ears.
Now the live version of Lunar Sea is really awesome.
Yes! Snow Goose complete (live 1978). And also ‘Nude’ (album), ‘Mirage’ and ‘Rain dances’. Lot’s of beautiful tracks on those albums.
I would suggest next something from Moonmadness, either Lunar Sea (for instrumental) or A Song Within A Song (for vocal based). I also love the album Nude. Andrew Latimer is a highly underrated guitar player
I love Latimer!
Nude is a terribly underrated album
Camel is a highly underrated band as a whole. Latimer is a freaking genius. He uses the guitar like no one else (maybe Gilmour would be the closest one but totally different in many ways)
@@juanignacioquesada Amén, hermano.
Absolutely, Lunar Sea!
"Lady Fantasy" next for Camel. Roughly 13 minutes.
I second this. Lady Fantasy (the 13 minutes one, which includes 3 pieces) or Nimrodel (9 minutes, also 3 pieces). These two are Camel's classics.
Camel is an incredible, incredible band... Whatever song you try, is just lovely.
Camel is AMAZING!!!!! Lady Fantasy, Rajaz, Harbor of Tears and so many others.
Coming of ages live
Stationary Traveller
The only way to listen to something from this album is from the beginning to the end 😊 rhayader/rhayader goes to town are more stand alone pieces while the rest goes in to each other through the entire album. It's in my opinion one of, if not the most well thought through album there is in the genre. It's an absolute masterpiece
Totally agree, this has been one of my favourite albums to listen to since the 1990s when I first discovered it. The guitarist in the band I was in was quite influenced by Latimer and he would play it in the bus on tour. I particularly love the big crescendo in "Dunkirk" with the gong at the end of it, it's so epic.
Live version is ok, but you gotta hear the studio album. The sound is much more organic in the realm of acoustic instruments and the mood comes off as much more quirky.
Snow Goose is a brilliant instrumental album, start to finish. It moves through so many various moods, I love it!
Mirage is another great album 🤙
Doug, many other stated this already. The album must be appreciated as a whole. Listening to only these 2 pieces is like trying to appreciate a symphony with only the second movement. The entire album is lyric less. Pure marvelous instrumental piece of music. You will really like it.
I’ve been following Camel since the mid 70’s when I just happened to see them live. Glad you liked them of course. As a musician myself I really appreciated your chord progression analysis. It was a very interesting progression. Many many great tunes in their catalog.
That album is amazing
It should be listened as a large song rather than separated tracks
Definitely agree! In fact, I made a copy of my CD and joined all the songs together into a single track. That way it can never play other than in the right order, and I always listen to the whole piece.
In fact, I'm going to do that with my copy of Olias too.
@@polbecca and a few other Camel's albums (Dust and Dreams, Harbour of Tears to name a few)
Amazing stuff dude, glad you did this. Never thought i'd be able to see them live but luckily have done 3 times now, god bless Andy Latimer and the crew. Music that will greet you to the afterlife!
Thank you for this, Doug! Lovely to revisit this with you here. Never heard the live version. Interesting. The studio piece is essential. But yeah. This WAS fun!!!
I saw their Pressure Points concert on tv in the 80s and I’ve loved them ever since. Nude is my favourite.
Oh my God, Doug! That's one of my favorites songs ever! Thank you!
Thanks so much Doug. I love these guys. Am going to try playing the chords on my guitar now.
Mirage, Snow Goose and Moonmadness are worth listening to in full.
Also, the re-recording of Snow Goose is quite good, and the best parts
of Breathless are terrific.
Love that you did these songs! Only wish you would have listened to the album version! On that note please do the entire album like you did Free Hand! I promise you won't be disappointed! Cheers Doug!
This a tune I love to play on guitar! Such a magical guitar solo!
Awesome vid, Doug! Glad you chose these songs over Lady Fantasy (although that song is no slouch either!). If you listen to Camel again in the near future, I would suggest Lady Fantasy or Ice. But I know you have a lot on the list! Happy to see this at least.
Grew up on Camel's Snow Goose (well my teens). Brilliant album in the studio, never so good live imo.
Really? I thought this live version was really cool
@@isakrahmisaevski974 Not saying this was bad, just that there were certain instruments missing.
That was amazing, would definitely love to see you react to the Lady Fantasy medley sometime in the future
Ah, great! Brings back memories to seeing and hearing Camel live in Rotterdam, I think it was not too long after the album was released.
Camel 🤟🏼 A Song Within A Song!
That album got me through my last year at university. I loved that live Snow Goose recording. The other songs are pretty excellent too.
You need to hear the studio version!
that was brillaint, really enjoyed it
One of my very favourite bands - I mean ever! We need more Camel!
Hey Doug, great video. Have you heard tool's "culling voices"? Really like the vocal performance on that track.
I suggested you to include Camel in an episode of Daily Doug, and you did it. Thank you
Please please do the full album! An all time favorite of mine
Those early Camel albums are so dang good. Love 'em. Thanks, Doug!
Thanks Doug,really enjoyed this. Big Camel fan.
Glad you're finally doing some Camel! Mirage is great.
Great! Old friend had a grey red tail parrot. We used to play the record or whistle the flute theme for the beast called Koko. He did a damn good job singing it throughout the day. With the occasional shrill mishit once in a while, casting a malevolent eye on us lazy students... Fun memories...
I love that you take the time to teach us the chords.
Very nice footage. A lot of Camel's music is instrumental. I particularly like their tracks "Lunar Sea" and "First Light" to name a few.
Like so many others they tried to become more 'pop' in the 1980s, which isn't their strongest phase IMO.
Camel fan since circa 1984. Don't listen to them much nowadays, but when I do, always enjoy it immensely
That pressure points álbum Is a great camel production. A great live álbum. Im a camel mexican fan. Cheers Dough!
There is another, earlier version done by original line-up 1975 for BBC with a wind instrument ensemble, "Snowgoose medley".
yeah been listening to Camel for so many years, they have a lot of amazing music especially the latest works
Absolutely delighted that you chose to do some camel so will not harp on about needing to listen to snow goose in one hit. Camel did generally extract those two movements to play live but they are as everyone has said part of a larger piece. Hopefully you will find space for some more of their work in your rotation. I for one will be there like a shot if you do.
Am already hyped for friday. I assume and hope that you will use the fan made (but band approved) video.
Hey Doug, love the Daily Doug, particularly when you have a score to refer to. Being new to the channel I haven't seen any reactions to King Crimson's music? Or have I missed earlier episodes where to react to their music?
Another great one! Camel are so underated.
Such a great band!
Doug dipped his toe into Camel. Wonder if he'll be going to Camel-ot. lol.
Toe into Camel. Camel toe. I get it.
I always toe the line as far as camel is concerned.
Camel is a wonderful band, definitely one of the unsung heroes of prog rock. Suggest you check out Lady Fantasy, Lunar Sea, or Ice.
Camel is such a great band. Great reaction Doug.
I saw this tour, just a few nights before they filmed this. Barden was a special guest for this gig only, having left the band a few years earlier. Latimer is still an incredible player and Camel are still going today.
Thank you for That!! It's nice to see Camel getting some love and maybe some new listeners.
Its great to see you utilize the keyboard to analyze chord structures and progressions.
Thanks again!
Song recommendation : Nuclear Apathy by Crack The Sky
I grew up listening to the snow goose. such a great album
As a self taught musician, it's fascinating to hear Doug talk of a "substitution of a chord for the chord that should be there and it's a tritone away from where it should be". It's like watching Big Bang Theory and listening to Sheldon explaining quantum mechanics. He may as well be speaking in tongues. I have no clue what he's talking about but I so wish I could do that.
I second those requests for something from Moonmadness - Studio version of Song within a Song or Lunar Sea as others have mentioned. Meanwhile, I'm off to Rhayader in the morning for work...
Hey Doug glad you're doing Camel, they are an amazing and underrated band! What I would propose is to always listen to the studio version of a song for the first time, since live performances are not meant to be perfectly executed. It can take away many of the nuances you find in a controlled environment.
Hey Doug, thank you for keeping up with good reviews. The middle, slightly softer part in Rhayader goes to town's chord progression is Cm-(Bb)-Ab-D-Db, which on the last cycle modulates to C-Ab-Bb =)
One of my favorite bands from my teenage years. They were very famous in Europe and certainly famous in my home country the Netherlands.
The albums up to Stationary Traveller are Progrock which I like very much. Later albums became more jazzy and I didn’t like them that much.
‘A Live Album’ contains the whole Snowgoose album.
I advise you to hear the whole studio album; preferably in one go. So good.
Saw the original line up at the Stadium in Liverpool when they were touring Snow Goose on release mid 70s. They had a back projection video running - I assume of the film of the book by Paul Gallic - and it stopped running about 5-10 mins into the performance. After some head-scratching and chat they just restarted the film and the performance from the beginning. Snow Goose was massive for progrockers in its day. A beautiful album.
Nothing beats the original album. The whole album is a masterpiece! Rhayader Goes to Town is a Bardens\Latimer classic with one of Latimer's amazing solos that should only be played at full volume. Thanx Doug!
Yes, listen to the entirety of The Snow Goose! Its so good!
I saw Camel in the 1980s at the Hammersmith Odeon on 'The Single Factor' tour, when Kit Watkins was playing keyboards. I still have the programme! When the band played 'The Snow Goose' at the Royal Albert Hall circa 1975, my mum wouldn't let me go to London to see them, as she said I was too young!!
As many other have already commented, the album really needs to be listened to in one sitting to do it justice.
Doug, you can fall deep into the Camel rabbit-hole. Absolutely amazing band and just as good as any of the prog heavy hitters like Yes, King Crimson, etc...
Please Please React to Lunar Sea by Camel!
Couldn't be more thankful that you're reacting to Camel finally!!!
I saw them at The Edge back in the day.
My eldest sister (always a musical influence on me) introduced me to this in 1976. I have listened to this so many many times. Some tracks on "Rain Dances", the album "Moonmadness" and their fantastic album (again a whole album and whole story) "Nude" have got to be my favourites.
Beautiful song 👏👏😉👍
The Snow Goose is the crowning masterpiece of prog. Magnificently composed, brilliantly played and it interprets the story of The Snow Goose wonderfully.
But it's best listened to from start to finish because it is a cyclical piece: it starts with The Great Marsh and ends the same way, indicating that whilst characters like Rhayader, Fritha and the Snow Goose come and go, the natural world still remains.
Camel!❤️ Just as was about to suggest it 😊
i'd love to see you react to this whole album (The Snow Goose)
Camel are a fantastic band. The Snow Goose is one of my favourite albums.
Thank you!
Now you are getting somewhere with these videos!
I don't get why Pink Floyd is so popular and Camel isn't
Pink Floyd have timeless lyrics. 80% of Camel’s best stuff has none. Both bands have amazing music, but Pink Floyd would never have gotten nearly as far as they did just off of instrumental music like Any Colour You Like.
There are many reasons, the band went through a LOT of problems through the years, they went through a long lawsuit, they were also robbed by their own management, and also there was conflict between the members, boycotting due to the band name, abuse of drugs and even a suicide attempt by Andy Ward.
@@Israel-jr5ks oh that might explain! Damn
I'm a very passive fan of Pink Floyd. Mostly that means I have none of their albums and there are just a few songs of their that I'll listen to when they come on the radio. In turn I am an active fan of Camel. They frequent both my turntable and CD player.
With that said, Camel never had a "Dark Side Of The Moon", which is an album with great lyrics, grooves, and hooks that hit the right spot with the music buying public. It was really that album that catapulted Pink Floyd into mega stardom.
I love Camel, they are one of my all time favorite bands. I adore Pink Floyd, but they have a much broader appeal to the mainstream, particular their lyrics in their mainstream era. Camel's music is a lot more "challenging" than Pink Floyd's and they don't have nearly as much in the way of "hooks".
My mom was born in Rhayader. I have never had a chance to go there. would love to someday....
Thanks for these reaction videos... been enjoying catching up on your thoughts about early Genesis and Queen, particularly...
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Author of Confusion by Neal Morse...
Camel? sick, man. Good stuff
I was at that gig! 😎👍
Moonmadness is excellent as well. Enjoy Camel. I put them on as background music when I'm busy around the house. Great music 🎶
At last a bit of Camel! Great choice. Like others are saying though, this is best listened to as the whole album. My favourite though is the album Mirage, fantastic album from start to finish, but White Rider and Lady Fantasy are for me stand out moments on the Mirage album. Anyway, keep up the good work!!
When I first heard of Camel around late '74 [there was Frampton's Camel that caused some mix-ups at the time], I though they were ok. Later, I listened a lot to their stuff and realised they were a stupendously great band.
I still love listening to them. Their output is just so listenable.
Thank you Doug, you´ve done almost all my favourites: Queen, Dream Theater, Rammstein, Camel, Nightwish, Rainbow, Metallica...but not Muse...yet.
I saw Camel perform the whole album in London in 1975. It's a very powerful piece, describing the military evacuation of Dunkirk in 1940. You really need to listen to the album in one go. Great reaction., Doug.
Played the hell out of Snow Goose back in my youth.
Camel is an incredible band, these two songs only scratch the surface. They are responsible for some of the most beautiful music from their era. You also need to delve into the catalog of Nektar.
This is a concept album (studio) and it's best to listen to it from beginning to end
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I love Camel! Mirage is my favorite album...
I highly recommend Chord Change off of Moon Madness. Give a listen to Snow Goose on Camel A Live Record. The second side is Snow Goose Live with an orchestra. The mix is amazing, esp with headphones!
wow i haven't heard this for a long time.
Rhayader is near where I live - bought the vinyl when it was first released - 'Live at the Target' by Twelfth Night could be worth persuing if you like Camel.
This one was a good analysis. Thanks for pointing out the tritone substitution and the positions rather than pure chords. Chord progression is an interresting thing in music but you should also react to the quality of the melodies. Chords are the base, melody makes the feeling.
I was unfamiliar with this band, but I'm glad I've heard them now. I'll DEFINITELY check out some more CAMEL.
You"ll definetely enjoy it if you like prog rock.
Camel is a truly underrated gem. Their musicianship is outstanding in any way. You may not hear any "virtuoso" playing in it (like Petrucci for instance) but the way they pick the notes, timing AND silences is just beautiful. You will certainly enjoy it and since you already learned about Rhayader start take a listen to Never Let Go album which is a live performance that happens to include the entire Snow Goose album in it
Lady Fantasy is one of my favorite songs of all time. I hope you get a chance to check it out soon!
Yeeessss, Camel are one of my 70s faves, their first four albums are amazing!! It's time to let Lady Fantasy in your life....she'll visit you and you'll never let her walk away again. :)
What happened to your full length snow goose album reaction? I wanna watch it again pal
The Snow Goose is one of my favourite albums.