Aetherflux is nasty in a lifegain deck I ran Breya eggs and that was nasty Just cast all of your mana rocks dramatic reversal to untap them just in case they remove your altar during combo Also run athreos god of passage as a lightning bolt trigger to your opponent is possible during myr retriever and scrap Trawler combo
Yeah it would end with 17 growth counters instead. In the case he used it effectively doubled it for the most part since it was only going up by one at a time, then the creature would get 9 counters when they were moved onto it.
Well forgotten ancients allows you to move a counter to and individual creatures so if you have enough creatures you go to 24 with his math. 1 per turn that gets turned to 2 per turn so 8. Then pass these to 8 individual creatures which is 8 more and then 8 from hardened scales. So 8 from ancient and 16 from moving counters 8 +16 = 24
Made a massacre girl deck and played revel in riches right before my turn I bounced massacre girl and killed everything then I won at the beginning of my upkeep
@@waynefeller8824 sweet I still get treasure from the sacrificing. Oh and what's this? I have Ob nixulus on the battlefield and I destroy a creature making draw two cards and have more smothering tide triggers? Plus more revel triggers?
Pillow forts do suck. My moto is "I don't need removal, I just need a bigger threat than they have". I don't like deathtouch and pillowforts as they stop me from doing smashing face with big creatures.
@@marceloquejinho I haven't done this but killing some9ne by using a 69420 42069 would be cool too. Of course it would be better if you did it in the best colour combination boros. cough actually simic or temur or izzet or four colours without black cough cough
@@Fishcrab If you show up with Simic, Izzet, Temur, Blackless, they are not going to make fun of you as you are playing "the weakest color pair" And that is the best part of winning with Boros :p
Since when was turning creatures sideways a back wincon? Even if you don't like turning creatures sideways, Wizards has been very kind to Boros in recent years in giving it other things to do besides attack. You can burn people out with Feather. You can go eggs combo with Gerrard. You can go infinite mana + outlet with Zirda. You can use underworld breach plus a million other things that accidentally combo with that card. Boros is great at attacking to kill, but Wizards has slowly been giving us more options.
my buddy plays Grand Arbiter for his commander and wonders why people try to hate him out immediately when he casts him on turn 3 or 4. I'm like "nobody can ignore the tax."
I love it lol I’ve had arbiter out with mesmeric orb and since arbiter discounts Approach to cost six I tap six lands cast approach, mill six cards draw approach cast again and win
Once I was playing with my buddies commander with Planechase. There was a plane (or phenomenum, I can't recall) that basically chaos warp everything. I got a felidar sovereign and then it was my turn
a friend of mine had revel in riches and 11 treasures on board, i coordinated between the three other players to have me cast a white sun's zenith for 0, letting another player tap 7 merfolk to counter it, letting the third player draw 7 cards off verity circle to get something to get rid of revel in riches before their upkeep trigger
I'm surprised that he didn't mention doubling season with simic ascendancy, you only need to put 5 +1/+1 counters on something. It doubles the +1/+1 counters to 10 then the growth counters to 20.
I'd like to mention Biovisionary. I have a Bant-colored deck centered around creating token-copies of creatures. With Parallel Lives/Anointed Procession, populate effects (Full Flowering) or just a simple kicked Rite of Replication, you just win. And it's at the end of your turn, not during the upkeep. I also once had a fun round with Simic Ascendancy where I played the card, managed to get 20 counters on it during that same turn and then activated my Sage of Hours, getting an extra turn and winning on that upkeep.
Harden scales is good with forgotten ancient, but I wouldn’t exactly call harden scales doubling up. Yes it doubles if I add one +1/+1 counter since it goes to 2, but If I add 2 +1/+1 counters to a creature i’ll get just 3, 3 to 4, etc. You still get value and it will accelerate Simic growth, but all it does is just add one more counter to what’s added.
I wish elf mom got mentioned more when they talk about infinite mana, I rock helix pinnacle in my deck and I pretty much always trigger it with her combo with umbral mantle
If anyone is looking for a deck revolving around these win conditions Check out my latest video! Its a deck tech dedicated to Revel in RIches, hellkite Tyrant and MEchanized production
Revival/Revenge is another budget life doubler at 6 Mana. Now I'm thinking about making a simic ascendency deck on arena lol. I've did it before, but it wasn't as good a few sets back without all the options now. Put a counter on incubation druid then taps for 5 Mana, 4 pelt collector, 4 growth chamber guardian, 3 evolution sage, 4 Nissas, 3 biogenic ooze, 2-3 leyline of abundance🤔 rize of vhitu ghazi puts 9 +1+1 counters on a land for 5 Mana as well
Revel in Riches is not meant to stay on the table for long, it is meant to be played as a RESPONSE to a board wipe from another player (you need Vedalken Orrery or Leyline of Anticipation for that, but both cards are great for Commander and may go into any deck). If you play RiR as a response to a board wipe, you automatically gain it and ten Treasures on the table, and your opponents suddenly realize you're going to win on your next upkeep. All you need is to hold your position until that time, and your extra Treasures may provide you a boost :) Plus, you can gain some Treasures prior to playing Revel in Riches with Smoldering Tithe or Shiny Impetus. Helix Pinnacle is always a good backup plan for any deck able to generate a lot of mana - and most Green decks can. The problem is it really can make you a target if you can't win in 1-2 turns, so it should be played only if you're ready to win. Zaxara is a great commander for alternate win conditions. It can easily win with Helix Pinnacle (just one more card needed to untap Zaxara!) or with Simic Ascendancy (a lot of Hydra tokens with counters!!!) You can add Revel in Riches too and play all-defense until your combo appears. I was very happy when I've opened RiR and foil Helix Pinnacle in my Mystery boosters, and I really wonder why they're so cheap?
Jihora's familiar, etherium sculpture, foundry inspector, all 5 artifact lands on Field then cast mycosyth golem, mycosyth lattice, darksteel forge, unwinding clock, niv's disc... Show your play group you really care.
Approach of the Second Sun + Narset's Reversal is a good delivery system. Though my favourite and most successful is Biovisionary. Triggers at End Step, so cast it and Rite of Replicate with kicker. Go to End Step and win. Takes 12 mana total in Blue/Green, which is very easy to get.
I've always considered felidar sovereign a "practical loss" card, or "losing with bragging rights" . What happens when you play felidar sovereign? Everybody else at the table says "cool, you are now out of the game, we'll keep on playing for second place, congrats" What happens when you lose? Same thing. "Cool, you're out of the game, we'll keep playing for first place, better luck next time" Practically the same thing. It's losing with bragging rights.
Helix Pinnacle is in my Kruphix deck, almost exclusively as a way to dump my stored mana if Kruphix gets removed. It's not like I built my deck around Helix, but it just happens to synergize well with my deck. I can end up generating 100 mana pretty easily, even though I have no infinite mana combos in the deck (only ramp).
A new answer to the question, which is the weakest additional colour? So not mono-white, but instead any (combination of) colour(s) + the colour in question. Sure it's a way more complex question. But e.g. in my decks, red is often just 3 or 4 cards. These cards do certain jobs especially well, but you have to fix one additional colour just for that.
Helix Pinnacle in an Omnath Locus of Mana Deck... just store up your mana and then right before your turn put 100 counters onto it and bam. one of the guys in my old play group had a deck that was Omnath Locus of Mana, 98 Forests and elfhame sanctuary. it did unnervingly well, even against decks with mass land destruction. it wouldnt have been too hard for him to take out a forest and put HP in xD maybe even generated horizons too
I just realized a really powerful combo. Body of study + simic ascendancy. Body of study creates a 0/0 token w/ +1/+1 counters equal to the number of cards currently in your deck...
I have a deck with most of these. A life gain/drain deck with Felidar and Test, an enchantress draw deck with Lab Man and Lab Jace, and I'm going to be making a mana doubler helix pinnacle deck. Although, I will literally never run Approach
Yep, revel in riches would be such a cool card.. if it didn't have that 'win the game' clause. I'm not a fan of alternate win cons like these, which make you or the card itself the problem to be answered.. I think it should be like mill, which is kinda a alt win con that's in the game rules? Not like infinite combo mill your opponents or yourself.. I don't know If wotc ever thinks about this (or does 'think' and comes up with infect :/ ) For example, could you imagine a strategy in which you wouldn't be playing this janky combo all the time, rather, you are trying to achieve a different game state than usual.. well.. like 'fair' mill for example lol. It's tough to imagine a strategy like this without slapping the text "win the game" in a card. Unless wotc actually makes some new rules.. After companions that doesn't seem to be a stretch though
Coat of arms---thrumming stone---relentless rats---w/ anger in graveyard Cast triumph of the hoards Gets countered follow up with Gary Gets countered alter of dimentia Friends don't let friends play with counters.
I had pulled a Helix Pinnacle and Rhys the Redeemed in a mystery booster box. I had always wanted to build a Rhys deck but knew how powerful it could be with Elf tribal and our playgroup is more casual so I never pulled the trigger and bough the card. I ended up putting Helix Pinnacle as my win con and actually won with it. The whole table never even knew about the card (neither did i) and it was amazing
Remember the golden rule of Commander: If someone is playing alternate win conditions or win combos, defeat that player first or they will just end the game suddenly just as the game was getting good. Revel in riches should be banned in Commander, it is so easy to get 10 treasures with or without it. Defeat that player first.
Most alternate win cons that say 'you win if' aren't very hard to achieve and it's why they as a whole feel lame. Almost every card that has an incidental 'you win the game' tacted on the end of an otherwise cool card makes me annoyed because often I think the card is cool, but the easy win con on top of it is so cheesey I just don't play it. Reveal in Riches is one example. Felidar Sovereign without that ability would probably have a different ability and would be a cool beater. The dragon that steels artifacts is cool but the alt game win keeps me from playing it.
I have a Darksteel reactor win con in my Vorel of the hull clade deck, it gets a counter at the beginning of your upkeep. if it has 20 counters you win the game. it doesn't have to be in your upkeep! yay, so vorel van double these counters turn 5 is gonna be 2 counters turn 6 is gonna be 6 counters turn 7 is going to be 14 and you basically win at turn 8 without any untap spell and if you have the reactor in your hand
Revel in riches helped my little lad dominate a game at our local shop - not because he got the treasures but because the player whos turn was just before his was going to do a board wipe but then realised what would happen and so had to counter their own spell, my lad on his turn then pumped all his mana into a X cost deal X damage spell that knocked out 2 of 3 players as well as giving him the treasures. Basically if it hadn't been for revel they guy would have still had the counter spell.
Tempt into boundless, activate feldon's cane, Float all Mana, cycle decree, play splendid rec, cast leveler, activate elixir of immortality, rinse and repeat Play at cEDH table, tell them your not there to win.
What's really goofy is the gatherer rulings say if you counter the second casting of the spell, nothing happens. I wasn't aware of that forever. I figured the entire spell was always "on cast".
Demonic Consultation and Thassa’s Oracle is likely it, as you can win in one turn and do so at instant speed. It can of course be interacted with, but you’d be foolish to play the combo without some protection.
Korvold works fine. I've drawn 60 cards deep off Dockside Extortionist and Brass's Bounty in 1 turn (with token doublers). Smothering Tithe wouldn't add much more that the other red and black treasure makers that can be dropped in.
Easiest alternative win condition is the alternative loss condition. Run all the pacts, a sundial of the infinite and "end the turn" effects. Once you get out your enchantment that copies spells for all players, you play as many pacts as you need to force everyone else to lose on their upkeep. If yours comes first, just sundial the pact effect away.
All of these are still better than big dumb battlecruiser style magic. I think some of the best win cons are just infinite combo ones. eg. with murderous redcap and anything that sacs freely and anything that makes the redcap enter with a counter.
aproach of the secondsun is also easyer to put in if you copy that spell, cause the card says: if he was cast from your hand you win, doesnt matter if the copy doesnt... oh and your copy will allways go first xD
I pulled a foil Helix Pinnacle from one of the mystery boosters I opened just before quarantine; it went straight into my Marwyn deck I've slightly modified off of your decklist.
Also, I will never forge the time I lost to my GF playing Approach of the Second Sun, me sitting on a counter for several turns, and then countering it, only for her to bring it back from her graveyard the turn after.
It’s in my Kinnan jank deck. Flash it in with Alchemist’s Refuge on an end step right before your turn with Kinnan and Basalt Monolith and you’ve got some nice razzle dazzle.
Why does Zaxara not get mentioned during infinite mana combos? Is it because it's a creature or is there something I'm just doing wrong by using mine as an infinite mana source.
@@lunatik_8929 You did cast it though. You cast it from your hand, bounce it back to hand with Narset's, and cast it again. It didn't have to resolve the first time, it just needed to be cast.
Mitch: Gaining life isn't as good a strategy, there are better ways to take players out.
Exquisite Blood&Sanguine Bond: Am I joke to you?
Or Aetherflux
Aetherflux is nasty in a lifegain deck
I ran Breya eggs and that was nasty
Just cast all of your mana rocks dramatic reversal to untap them just in case they remove your altar during combo
Also run athreos god of passage as a lightning bolt trigger to your opponent is possible during myr retriever and scrap Trawler combo
@@shanekhiu9884 animate aeitherflux and give it lifelink. My favorite way to win with it.
Smothering Tithe+Revel in Riches puts a huge, glorious target on your back
rightfully so, hate this. i wanna play commander in my spare time, these combo closes the game out without playing commander.
Elektronische Musik It really doesn’t though. There are a lot of combos that close out a game much quicker than this
Facts
Then Armageddon 😎
@Bamichinees redirect is better
Last time I was this early, companions could be cast from outside the game
Mitch: “You have to cast spells to... do things, in commander”
Oloro Players: *”Wrong”*
Oloro is one of the commanders I hate above any other. I will usually refuse to play a game if I see someone who refuses to play something else
@@kiwiwasoncehere3623 thanks, now i know what to purchase next
@@kiwiwasoncehere3623 I urge you to be a better player
Before I watch, is Thassa’s Oracle Here?
Of course it is. One of the easiest way to win in cedh ATM.
If you see lab maniac in thumb nail good chance thassas Oracle is part of it since it's the same win con
vishal bachan Yup...and better!
I would say 2 cards and blue blue black is pretty doable
Wait... you guys can win without setting up the board for ten turns to be able to copy a firebolt 30 times to one shot someone??
Wait-
You can win?
I thought I was just supposed to play group hug and suicide with my own infinite fetch recurrence
@@jacob9787 Kenrith.. no...
Uhhhhh. Najeela and I are just gonna sit in the corner........
I find complaining mercilessly to the point my opponents find me so pathetic, they give up and I win. Who needs a card?
How many games did you play after that??? XD
Expropriate?
Sounds like a blue white card
hardened scales does not double the counters though, it just adds an additional counter.
Yeah it would end with 17 growth counters instead. In the case he used it effectively doubled it for the most part since it was only going up by one at a time, then the creature would get 9 counters when they were moved onto it.
Well forgotten ancients allows you to move a counter to and individual creatures so if you have enough creatures you go to 24 with his math.
1 per turn that gets turned to 2 per turn so 8.
Then pass these to 8 individual creatures which is 8 more and then 8 from hardened scales.
So 8 from ancient and 16 from moving counters
8 +16 = 24
My favorite wincon is skull clamping my tokens until I get my wincon, just personal preference.
Made a massacre girl deck and played revel in riches right before my turn I bounced massacre girl and killed everything then I won at the beginning of my upkeep
Approach is super easy in a Varina deck. Cast Approach, swing in with 7 Zombies, recast Approach. All in the same turn.
Revel in Riches is my easiest wincon in my Korvold deck.
"Would you like to pay for smothering tide?"
@@funnynameforme4091 - You betcha! Let me just sac a few Spawn tokens here, with my Dictate of Erebos out, of course!
@@waynefeller8824 sweet I still get treasure from the sacrificing. Oh and what's this? I have Ob nixulus on the battlefield and I destroy a creature making draw two cards and have more smothering tide triggers? Plus more revel triggers?
@@funnynameforme4091 - Yay! Win win!
Don’t forget pitiless plunderer
The Boros Legion needs its wincons to be good! GO BOROS! (Better than Pillowforts)
Pillow forts do suck. My moto is "I don't need removal, I just need a bigger threat than they have". I don't like deathtouch and pillowforts as they stop me from doing smashing face with big creatures.
I don't think there is a best win than smacking everyone else to the ground after being mocked the whole game!!
☀️🔥👊
@@marceloquejinho I haven't done this but killing some9ne by using a 69420 42069 would be cool too. Of course it would be better if you did it in the best colour combination boros. cough actually simic or temur or izzet or four colours without black cough cough
@@Fishcrab If you show up with Simic, Izzet, Temur, Blackless, they are not going to make fun of you as you are playing "the weakest color pair"
And that is the best part of winning with Boros :p
Since when was turning creatures sideways a back wincon?
Even if you don't like turning creatures sideways, Wizards has been very kind to Boros in recent years in giving it other things to do besides attack.
You can burn people out with Feather.
You can go eggs combo with Gerrard.
You can go infinite mana + outlet with Zirda.
You can use underworld breach plus a million other things that accidentally combo with that card.
Boros is great at attacking to kill, but Wizards has slowly been giving us more options.
Journey before destination: Helix Pinnacle
If Grand Arbiter Approach of the Second Sun's me one more time we throwing hands.
my buddy plays Grand Arbiter for his commander and wonders why people try to hate him out immediately when he casts him on turn 3 or 4. I'm like "nobody can ignore the tax."
I love it lol I’ve had arbiter out with mesmeric orb and since arbiter discounts Approach to cost six I tap six lands cast approach, mill six cards draw approach cast again and win
@@samiam5308 Who hurt you?
Simic Ascendency is just hilarious with The Ozolith.
Mitch: You have to cast spells to do things in commander
Also mitch: 99 lands edh deck, no joke, powerful!
Once I was playing with my buddies commander with Planechase. There was a plane (or phenomenum, I can't recall) that basically chaos warp everything. I got a felidar sovereign and then it was my turn
what i got from this is cast Approach, then Consultation, and then watch my playgroup writhe... nice
Infinite blue Mana, deadeye soul bonded to agent.
Call the deck "slow and low"
I like that people guess before seeing whats on the list,wish i had done that lol
8:24 "You have to cast spells to do anything"
Enduring Ideal begs to differ
a friend of mine had revel in riches and 11 treasures on board, i coordinated between the three other players to have me cast a white sun's zenith for 0, letting another player tap 7 merfolk to counter it, letting the third player draw 7 cards off verity circle to get something to get rid of revel in riches before their upkeep trigger
I'm surprised that he didn't mention doubling season with simic ascendancy, you only need to put 5 +1/+1 counters on something. It doubles the +1/+1 counters to 10 then the growth counters to 20.
Helix is ridiculously easy, generate big mana. Win. I hate it personally its super boring and uninteresting
Did i miss something? I subscribed for budget commander lists and i havent seen one in months...
I'd like to mention Biovisionary. I have a Bant-colored deck centered around creating token-copies of creatures. With Parallel Lives/Anointed Procession, populate effects (Full Flowering) or just a simple kicked Rite of Replication, you just win. And it's at the end of your turn, not during the upkeep.
I also once had a fun round with Simic Ascendancy where I played the card, managed to get 20 counters on it during that same turn and then activated my Sage of Hours, getting an extra turn and winning on that upkeep.
Biovisionary is my primary win con for my Riku (Temur) deck
Is it me or videos are coming every hour...
Dont forget that all the ones for counters, Doubling Season is always a great one to play with too.
Harden scales is good with forgotten ancient, but I wouldn’t exactly call harden scales doubling up.
Yes it doubles if I add one +1/+1 counter since it goes to 2, but If I add 2 +1/+1 counters to a creature i’ll get just 3, 3 to 4, etc.
You still get value and it will accelerate Simic growth, but all it does is just add one more counter to what’s added.
not if revel in riches gets negated
wtf wizards ban negAETE already! my turn 40 revel in riches was countered and it made me really sad!!!1!
In auto-mill win condition there is also the black enchantment "Mortal Combat" who is brutal on Lazav the multifarious EDH
Felidar Sovereign is one of my favorite creatures of all time.
That beast kitten just screams *EPIC*, old Zendikar had amazing creature design.
Temp with discovery---boundless realms---nyxbloom ancient--- helix pinnicle
Nyxbloom ancient---Brovac---traumatize---splended rec--- 40 lands---helix pinnicle
I wish elf mom got mentioned more when they talk about infinite mana, I rock helix pinnacle in my deck and I pretty much always trigger it with her combo with umbral mantle
If anyone is looking for a deck revolving around these win conditions Check out my latest video! Its a deck tech dedicated to Revel in RIches, hellkite Tyrant and MEchanized production
You’re great, I was just looking for win cons for my Grand Arbiter deck.
Revival/Revenge is another budget life doubler at 6 Mana. Now I'm thinking about making a simic ascendency deck on arena lol. I've did it before, but it wasn't as good a few sets back without all the options now. Put a counter on incubation druid then taps for 5 Mana, 4 pelt collector, 4 growth chamber guardian, 3 evolution sage, 4 Nissas, 3 biogenic ooze, 2-3 leyline of abundance🤔 rize of vhitu ghazi puts 9 +1+1 counters on a land for 5 Mana as well
Revel in Riches is not meant to stay on the table for long, it is meant to be played as a RESPONSE to a board wipe from another player (you need Vedalken Orrery or Leyline of Anticipation for that, but both cards are great for Commander and may go into any deck). If you play RiR as a response to a board wipe, you automatically gain it and ten Treasures on the table, and your opponents suddenly realize you're going to win on your next upkeep. All you need is to hold your position until that time, and your extra Treasures may provide you a boost :) Plus, you can gain some Treasures prior to playing Revel in Riches with Smoldering Tithe or Shiny Impetus.
Helix Pinnacle is always a good backup plan for any deck able to generate a lot of mana - and most Green decks can. The problem is it really can make you a target if you can't win in 1-2 turns, so it should be played only if you're ready to win.
Zaxara is a great commander for alternate win conditions. It can easily win with Helix Pinnacle (just one more card needed to untap Zaxara!) or with Simic Ascendancy (a lot of Hydra tokens with counters!!!) You can add Revel in Riches too and play all-defense until your combo appears.
I was very happy when I've opened RiR and foil Helix Pinnacle in my Mystery boosters, and I really wonder why they're so cheap?
Jihora's familiar, etherium sculpture, foundry inspector, all 5 artifact lands on Field then cast mycosyth golem, mycosyth lattice, darksteel forge, unwinding clock, niv's disc...
Show your play group you really care.
Approach of the Second Sun + Narset's Reversal is a good delivery system.
Though my favourite and most successful is Biovisionary. Triggers at End Step, so cast it and Rite of Replicate with kicker. Go to End Step and win.
Takes 12 mana total in Blue/Green, which is very easy to get.
I've always considered felidar sovereign a "practical loss" card, or "losing with bragging rights" . What happens when you play felidar sovereign? Everybody else at the table says "cool, you are now out of the game, we'll keep on playing for second place, congrats"
What happens when you lose? Same thing. "Cool, you're out of the game, we'll keep playing for first place, better luck next time"
Practically the same thing. It's losing with bragging rights.
Helix Pinnacle is in my Kruphix deck, almost exclusively as a way to dump my stored mana if Kruphix gets removed. It's not like I built my deck around Helix, but it just happens to synergize well with my deck. I can end up generating 100 mana pretty easily, even though I have no infinite mana combos in the deck (only ramp).
A new answer to the question, which is the weakest additional colour? So not mono-white, but instead any (combination of) colour(s) + the colour in question. Sure it's a way more complex question. But e.g. in my decks, red is often just 3 or 4 cards. These cards do certain jobs especially well, but you have to fix one additional colour just for that.
I have dropped Revel in my Teysa deck and convinced the table that I would sacrifice treasures to below ten before I won. It's more fun that way.
Helix Pinnacle in an Omnath Locus of Mana Deck... just store up your mana and then right before your turn put 100 counters onto it and bam. one of the guys in my old play group had a deck that was Omnath Locus of Mana, 98 Forests and elfhame sanctuary. it did unnervingly well, even against decks with mass land destruction. it wouldnt have been too hard for him to take out a forest and put HP in xD maybe even generated horizons too
I just realized a really powerful combo.
Body of study + simic ascendancy.
Body of study creates a 0/0 token w/ +1/+1 counters equal to the number of cards currently in your deck...
I have a deck with most of these. A life gain/drain deck with Felidar and Test, an enchantress draw deck with Lab Man and Lab Jace, and I'm going to be making a mana doubler helix pinnacle deck. Although, I will literally never run Approach
Yep, revel in riches would be such a cool card.. if it didn't have that 'win the game' clause. I'm not a fan of alternate win cons like these, which make you or the card itself the problem to be answered.. I think it should be like mill, which is kinda a alt win con that's in the game rules? Not like infinite combo mill your opponents or yourself.. I don't know If wotc ever thinks about this (or does 'think' and comes up with infect :/ ) For example, could you imagine a strategy in which you wouldn't be playing this janky combo all the time, rather, you are trying to achieve a different game state than usual.. well.. like 'fair' mill for example lol. It's tough to imagine a strategy like this without slapping the text "win the game" in a card. Unless wotc actually makes some new rules.. After companions that doesn't seem to be a stretch though
My fav combo win win is in my Obosh deck that I call "Bloody Merchant". Get Obosh out, use Epicure of Blood, followed by Gray Merchant.
Coat of arms---thrumming stone---relentless rats---w/ anger in graveyard
Cast triumph of the hoards
Gets countered follow up with Gary
Gets countered alter of dimentia
Friends don't let friends play with counters.
I had pulled a Helix Pinnacle and Rhys the Redeemed in a mystery booster box. I had always wanted to build a Rhys deck but knew how powerful it could be with Elf tribal and our playgroup is more casual so I never pulled the trigger and bough the card. I ended up putting Helix Pinnacle as my win con and actually won with it. The whole table never even knew about the card (neither did i) and it was amazing
Epic Struggle (2GG Enchantment from Judgement). Easy wincon for critical mass of creatures like token-based strategies or elves.
I use Simic Ascendency in my Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy deck as just a fun instant win after getting infinite mana
I play jace and lab man in 3 decks. I just really love drawing my deck.
Revel in riches is super easy to get with the Treasure Chest and Smaug
Smaug creates 14 treasure, treasure chest creates 5
Remember the golden rule of Commander:
If someone is playing alternate win conditions or win combos, defeat that player first or they will just end the game suddenly just as the game was getting good.
Revel in riches should be banned in Commander, it is so easy to get 10 treasures with or without it. Defeat that player first.
Most alternate win cons that say 'you win if' aren't very hard to achieve and it's why they as a whole feel lame.
Almost every card that has an incidental 'you win the game' tacted on the end of an otherwise cool card makes me annoyed because often I think the card is cool, but the easy win con on top of it is so cheesey I just don't play it. Reveal in Riches is one example. Felidar Sovereign without that ability would probably have a different ability and would be a cool beater. The dragon that steels artifacts is cool but the alt game win keeps me from playing it.
I have a Darksteel reactor win con in my Vorel of the hull clade deck, it gets a counter at the beginning of your upkeep. if it has 20 counters you win the game. it doesn't have to be in your upkeep! yay, so vorel van double these counters turn 5 is gonna be 2 counters turn 6 is gonna be 6 counters turn 7 is going to be 14 and you basically win at turn 8 without any untap spell and if you have the reactor in your hand
Revel in riches helped my little lad dominate a game at our local shop - not because he got the treasures but because the player whos turn was just before his was going to do a board wipe but then realised what would happen and so had to counter their own spell, my lad on his turn then pumped all his mana into a X cost deal X damage spell that knocked out 2 of 3 players as well as giving him the treasures. Basically if it hadn't been for revel they guy would have still had the counter spell.
Tempt into boundless, activate feldon's cane, Float all Mana, cycle decree, play splendid rec, cast leveler, activate elixir of immortality, rinse and repeat
Play at cEDH table, tell them your not there to win.
I will be honest i do have the Simic Ascendancy in my Atroxia commander. Proliferation and +1/+1 counters galore in that deck
fun fact!
simic ascendancy it´s 1 of the best (and out of nowhere) win condition in kumena tribal EDH.
you welcome... ;)
Before i watch, imo the easiest is Approach
What's really goofy is the gatherer rulings say if you counter the second casting of the spell, nothing happens. I wasn't aware of that forever. I figured the entire spell was always "on cast".
Second sun swarm intelligence is hilarious
Demonic Consultation and Thassa’s Oracle is likely it, as you can win in one turn and do so at instant speed. It can of course be interacted with, but you’d be foolish to play the combo without some protection.
@@ACrazedGaming That doesn't win on the spot. Copies aren't cast, according to the gatherer rulings on Approach.
@@bobby45825 That makes sense because it's 'if it was cast from your hand', not 'when you cast'
Seedborn muse, island, jace's archivist, lab man.
Efficient? No, Effective? Yes
My playgroup just recently banned wincons and infinite combos. They kinda defeat the whole purpose of the game.
no mechanized production?
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Approach of the Second Sun and Narset's Reversal combo.
Infect with Proliferate anybody?
Papa Nurgle hitting you with them poison counters.
How dare you disregard bane of progress(helix pinical*probably spelled that wrong*) cue offended storm off
Mitch should do a treasure tribal deck.
How about korvold?
Korvold doesn't work because of the white treasure must have enchantment
Y e s. I've been trying an Akiri+Silas list, it is fun
Korvold works fine. I've drawn 60 cards deep off Dockside Extortionist and Brass's Bounty in 1 turn (with token doublers). Smothering Tithe wouldn't add much more that the other red and black treasure makers that can be dropped in.
@@silenceburns1336 Korvold is a little bit too strong to my taste but thanks for the input!!
Easiest alternative win condition is the alternative loss condition. Run all the pacts, a sundial of the infinite and "end the turn" effects. Once you get out your enchantment that copies spells for all players, you play as many pacts as you need to force everyone else to lose on their upkeep. If yours comes first, just sundial the pact effect away.
Cathar's Crusade + Pentavus + Earthcraft + simic ascendency= Tiger Blood
Thassa's Oracle should be banned you can win turn 1. At least the Lab maniac requires setup and the Jace is 3 blue making it harder to cast.
All of these are still better than big dumb battlecruiser style magic.
I think some of the best win cons are just infinite combo ones.
eg. with murderous redcap and anything that sacs freely and anything that makes the redcap enter with a counter.
Pretty sure Hardened Scales wont add a second growth counter since it replaces the 1 counter with 2/. It's still one instance, but I could be wrong
Simic Ascendancy in my vorel deck is an easy win
Simic Ascendancy in my Ramos Dragon Engine deck>>>>>>
Grixis hydras. So many ways to exploit simic ascendancy, jarad, and infinite mana
Simic Ascendancy in Zaxara Hydras
@@letter7200 yes I always forget the name and I have it lol.
aproach of the secondsun is also easyer to put in if you copy that spell, cause the card says: if he was cast from your hand you win, doesnt matter if the copy doesnt... oh and your copy will allways go first xD
I pulled a foil Helix Pinnacle from one of the mystery boosters I opened just before quarantine; it went straight into my Marwyn deck I've slightly modified off of your decklist.
Also, I will never forge the time I lost to my GF playing Approach of the Second Sun, me sitting on a counter for several turns, and then countering it, only for her to bring it back from her graveyard the turn after.
It’s in my Kinnan jank deck. Flash it in with Alchemist’s Refuge on an end step right before your turn with Kinnan and Basalt Monolith and you’ve got some nice razzle dazzle.
Why does Zaxara not get mentioned during infinite mana combos? Is it because it's a creature or is there something I'm just doing wrong by using mine as an infinite mana source.
No Mortal Combat? That's super easy in all the different graveyard decks.
Winning via life gain & wining based life draining is rough. Lab Man is the way to go 100%
In my opinion revel in riches sucks. People over estimate how fast it wins and just kill you right away
I once beat a dude that had a Simic Ascendancy with 36 counters in Arena (Cascade). It felt so goooood
Approach doesnt care if its countered as it teiggers on cast. Easy win. Run in my elsha pillowfort.
To add onto Simic Ascendency, cast Planewide Celebration. Proliferate 4 times.
Flash---protean hulk---feldar sovereign---table flip!!! RIP
Approach of the Second Sun + Narset’s Reversal.
Your Welcome.
You monster, I like it!
Doesn’t make u win cause u don’t cast second approach from hand so doesn’t work
Oh nvm ur right it’s a instant win
@@lunatik_8929 You did cast it though. You cast it from your hand, bounce it back to hand with Narset's, and cast it again. It didn't have to resolve the first time, it just needed to be cast.
Zaxara + freed from the real/pimmens aura + x spells for infinite/infinite hydras and infinite cmc x spells :)
These cards have to be the most boring way to win at commander. No one wants to play with dorks who run this stuff.
The fun part is when you start flashing in Felidar Sovereign right before your upkeep 😏
can we just get rid of oracle/lab man wincons, they are so uninteresting to win with imho there is zero skill involved in using them
Completely off topic but would the token seance produces activate a pandamonium enchantment?
Can you cast Beacon of Immortality as a response to the life check for the win con at the beginning of the upkeep?
Simic is broken with all the powerful cards available. And yes I am a blue player
Revel in Riches... i too wish it didn't have that alternative wincon, because i've pulled 3 in a ixalan box
Haven't watched yet, but Smothering Tithe and Revel in Riches?
Use gitrog monster to mill your self in golgari, then flashing in mortal combat.. priceless.
Would you be ok with a home made card : Delight in gold remove the win condition and drop one mana off cost
But Revel in Riches always gets naegated turn 25 tho. Daddy Des told me