Very true like I’m an OKC fan so he will always be cupcake to me no matter what but his legacy is permanently tarnished nobody takes those championships seriously after he left a championship caliber team, that mostly lost an embarrassing fashion in seven games because he played like shit for half the series then he leaves for already the best team in the world to make them essentially unbeatable yet he wants respect for that
@ispeakfactsbruhif anything it was an insult to Pippen. You do understand that any player in a Finals series can win the MVP. Iggy won MVP of the '15 Finals when everyone knows Steph should've won and he should've had one of the two KD has. KD's job in the Finals was made easy because of the attention Steph gets and Steph still had great stats. Playing along side Steph makes any player's job easy.
Barkley is a man who is 100% secure in himself as a person and his accomplishments on the hardwood. Even though he never won a championship, his career looks even better as time moves - especially thanks to the 2010 era Superstars.
Chuck's career doesnt look that good at all unless you're glazing him. He's actually worse than you think KD is. He didnt get anywhere with Philly and requested a trade. He got to the finals with PHX and conceded to MJ even saying that he admitted MJ was better back then. Then he requested a trade to the Rockets who had gone through Chuck twice in a row to get 2 championships. Chuck had blown a 2-0 lead and then a 3-1 lead to the Rockets before requesting to be traded there. Do yall even do your research or just back him because he trashes KD?
@@tc-channelhobby4051 He aint been all star level for a long time. He's only ever been all NBA once and he was 3rd team. He doesnt make the Suns a superteam.
@@smoothsavage2870 are you really going with this when he actually is? even espn is literally wanking the suns because of this? heck even brook as well saying no one can guard them.
Michael Jordan in 13 Full Seasons: 6 championships 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 10 Scoring Titles 9 First Team All-NBA Defense 1 DPOY award 3 Steals Champion 82 game seasons: 9 1 all star teammate Lebron and Durant in 37 full seasons combined: 6 Championships 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 5 Scoring Titles 5 First Team All-NBA Defense 0 DPOY awards 0 Steals Champion 82 Game seasons combined: 2 14 combined all star teammates
@ACE_1923 you lying casual Durant is top ten all time came from a torn Achilles after all he's given to the game of basketball inspired the young guys of today smh Durant won't receive his flowers until its too late like Kobe Bean
Give me Dirk over KD every day of the week. Man led his teams to 60+ wins every year with like no other all star (I think?) in the toughest conference ever.
@@Jesse-zc5pg He won the NBA title against the first superteam ever, in terms of players joining at their prime to win the NBA, led by LeBron, Wade and Bosh. After them mocking him for having the flu. The 2nd best player in that Dirk´s team was JJ BAREA (admited by Wade, not me).
Unlike most all time greats, KD doesn’t impact the game in more ways than scoring, and when his shot isn’t falling he’s a liability. He doesn’t move much off ball, okay at making plays for others, and isn’t a great rebounder. He’s a mobile 7 footer with a huge wingspan and should’ve been an all time great defender
You are just talking nonsense, yes he is not a leader, but to say his only impact is scoring is madness, and more after this last game, where he gave 4 blocks, with 9 rebounds and 6 assists, with only one turnover.
@@TyBrezzy11 kyrie ran himself out, don't forget he was also the reason harden wanted out cuz kyrie was trying to part time the nba while being a social activist.
the real perpetrator of that failure was kyrie. yea kd wasn't a leader but he at least wasn't a goddamn nuisance like every other month cuz he think he's the second coming of muhammad ali like kyrie
KD lack of leadership and lack of growth has shown. It’s time for him to retire, there is no easy way to a championship, just because you’re great at scoring doesn’t mean you will be a champion. He’s been hard headed for years and his legacy will be massively impacted.
Kenny smith’s face when Charles said “all these bus riders, they don’t mean NOTHING to me..if you ain’t riding the bus don’t be talking about you a champion”…. That’s exactly Kenny smith lmaooooo
But it’s a team sport, the greats need role players. Hakeem needed Kenny Smith to hit 7 three pointers in the NBA Finals. Michael Jordan needed John Paxson to key three pointers. This is a bad take by Chuck, I’ve got the same amount of championships as him.
@@derekhettinger451 hey boss the point is exactly what I wrote, unless you have reading comprehension problems, which apparently you do. A team sport is not an individual accomplishment, the star players need support players like John Paxson, Kenny Smith,....otherwise no chips for them.
I'm not a Lebron fan at all and your statement has validity, I'll give Bron the edge. He at least pretends to want to be a leader lol. KD flat out lacks that killer instinct.
@edwinbrown2148 I guess my point went over your head. In a nutshell without going into detail I literally said they weren't the same. But if you want to get technical D Wade had already won a championship as well....with NO Lebron.
One of the reasons the Blazers picked Oden over Durant way back when was KDs psych eval. Kevin Prichard the then GM did not like a lot of the answers he got when talking to KD.
Well they made a huge mistake, especially since Oden had injuries in college at 7’1 280. I always heard because the Blazers had Lamarcus Aldridge, who was playing at an All Star level at that time, they needed a center not a PF. Same reason Portland chose Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan in 1984. They had Clyde Drexler at SG and needed center, Hakeem was a sure bet, but went #1, so Bowie was the 2nd best center in college and was taken at #2. Like Oden he had injury issues in college. Portland made the same mistake twice, 20 years apart 🤦🏾♂️ KD isn’t leader, but nor is Steph and he doesn’t get bashed about it. Steph lets Draymond be team leader of GS. When Draymond is acting a fool, Steph is usually walking away or head sulking on the bench.
@@Old_82 Steph has never been the leader of the Wariors. That's always been Draymond. If KD cant be the leader of his teams just because he's the best player, neither can Steph.
@@HushHushOGKobe was a big part of why they lost in 2004. Shaq was playing well enough that if Kobe played to his regular standards it could have at least gone more than 5. Kobe shot 38 percent for the series and 33 percent in the four Lakers losses.
@@gabrielmurray929 2004's pistons defense shut the lakers down and even contained shaq for the most part. Shaq shot his next to lowest % in a final's appearance.
as a nets fan I love this. i'm so tired of hearing how the nets were dumb for letting him and the other two cancers go. they all have better teammates now than they did in Brooklyn and none of them will win anything. they are good but overrated and exhausting.
@@dadvssoncocopuffs9187 thats not true. kyrie wanted to stay. he was even willing to sign a 5 year deal. the nets told him no. they wanted no more than three years. harden was really cornered regarding a trade and he finally agreed. he didnt say anything until pressed. durant left when he was the last one left. you sound ignorant of the situation.
@infoguy1978 he was willing ? Lol.. bro u really are slow... he asked for something noone would give him... he knew that.....KD didn't want to stay either.. what are u talking about? .. they came to NY because they thought NY would embrace them, when we didn't, KDs hurt was broken.. Kyrie still thinks the earth is flat
@@dadvssoncocopuffs9187 are you a knicks fan? i'm a nets fan. its bizzarre how youre trying to act like the authority on this. you sound like a threatened exagerrating knicks fan. are you a knicks fan? as if i didnt already know the answer
The Nets WERE dumb for letting the go, but that's not the only reason. The Nets had a good thing going in the 2020-2021 season. Guess what they did? They kept Steve Nash as HC and let Ime Udoka leave the coaching staff and go be the Celtics HC. Ime goes there and causes a scandal, then the Nets try to get him back after Steve Nash shows us he wasnt meant for the job. But they let the Celtics talk them out of hiring him. Then the owner was a complete idiot who was trying to find any reason to have an issue with Kyrie also. They themselves werent exhausting. What's exhausting was the media and haters that needed to have something negative to say day in and day out about ANY team KD is involved with post-Warriors. Yall wanted him gone, he leaves, and yall are STILL fucking upset. Just say you want him to fail and be done with it.
Come on guys, he is a first ballot hall of famer. Not to mention, he has made a buck or two. We common folk shouldn’t feel too sorry for K.D., he is gonna be OK
What's hilarious is in my humble opinion is including his okc years, His most natural and relaxed years where he could just play and be KD was with GS where he was NOT the leader of the team and that's where he was the most successful so he's not wrong
Kevin is one of the most talented players of all time. He just didn’t have the right teams or the correct mental outlook to be considered one of the greats. He’s still had a hall of fame career. People are down on him because he had the talent to be considered great!
-- he has the offensive skill set to be a GOAT (Top 5) but he's only Top 20-25. Great player but not enough to be in the GOAT conversation. Mindset is a SKILL. Bird, MJ are the 2 guys that stand out.
@@universityoffree - agree. KD Took the easy path to his 2 rings, which is weak sauce like LeThird But I am weighing KDs entire resume: 1 MVP, 2 FMVPs, 4x scoring champ, he’s up there EVEN IF he jumped on Curry’s bus. KD is a Great player (Top 20-25) but nowhere near the GOAT.
y’all really act like KD went to Golden State & averaged 17 behind Curry… yall were the same people who said GSW only won because irving and love were hurt & couldn’t beat a healthy Cavs team.. that actually plays out & GSW makes a moves and now it’s unfair.. yet steph, klay and dray still get to benefit from while KD never gets any love
@@uliseslozano95if they didint need him then why they fly out all the way to cancuun to recriut him ? And if so why didint they win up 3 1 biggest selljob in history they needed him to beat bron and kirie.
@@MeaCulpa04 😂 Melo said no to the Heatles and now his entire legacy is damn near being over shadowed 4 years into retirement.. I don’t recall ppl diminishing championships until the 2010s
@@StuntmanBeatz313 Melo?! Ha! if that was the case then he should have said yes cause that was his best bet at winning , he never did anything worthy after Denver. Melo is like the Cam newton of nba, no substance behind a good career.
I'm from Oklahoma City and Durant felt like one of us locals. A cool headed guy who was a part of the community. We all loved him and followed him along to the playoffs and western state championship and then the finals. Once that 3-1 lead fell apart everyone knew something was up. To win a championship with Golden State I would not have a proud memory of that. I'd honestly feel ashamed. Look at the Thunder now. Took a while for us to grow back up to the level we had a decade ago and I'm so proud of us. Some people talk about how KD will come back to Oklahoma City and retire there. I don't know if that will ever happen and if people would like it to be honest.
7:00-7:30 Exposes how some big 3s just hoped to outtalent everybody else instead of having a real team strategy in mind with it. Glad the LeBron/KD Superteam era is over and the next generation is going back to the roots of basketball -- teams built with depth, chemistry, hunger, and IQ. Nuggets, OKC, Twolves, Grizzlies, Boston, Miami, etc.
Reality is that a lot of NBA players are in the top .005% of the population of skilled ball players. How you mesh with your team, coaching staff, and how you match up against other defenders and teams matters the most. Durant is a fantastic player but he drops off some games and is usually on a team that has critical mismatches that can win games but not get through the Finals with ease. Personally I think his career would have been so different if Kobe, LeBron, and Dirk weren’t playing at the same time. That, and if GSW kept him and moved Draymond out instead.
I'd like Anthony Edwards more if he didn't taunt people. People love humility. It is why people liked MJ. He did celebrate, and sometimes was confrontational, but mostly he was a silent assassin.
If you can back it up in the big moments, then I don’t mind. And in terms of silent assassin, Jordan is not the example I would choose. I could be wrong but I see ant and Jordan very similarly in terms of wanting to crush their opponents and let them know about it
it doesn't help that Vogel is completely clueless. They shouldve started Bol along side Nurkic and IT at PG with Beal as the 6th man for bench scoring.
Well neither Steph nor KD are great leaders. Draymond was the leader of that GS dynasty, which is probably why they tolerated his antics so long. Steph just gets a pass, but when Draymond is acting a fool on the court, Steph is usually recorded walking away with his mouthpiece hanging out his mouth in frustration or sitting on the bench sulking, sometimes with a towel over his head. Steph just gets a pass for not being a good leader, where KD didn’t. KD’s legacy probably would have been better if he stayed in OKC or settled in GS to win 3-4 chips. But between Draymond saying they didn’t need him, the Team President making that slick comment about KD at the championship parade and people constantly doubting him as a “real Warrior”.
Watching this back, really makes me realize just how much KD is chasing the exact situation he left in GState. It’s like he forgot that the championship is supposed to be a battle. He needs to toughen up and accept the grind, only problem is that he’s a bit old for a mindset shift like that
KD should have stayed in Golden State with great teammates, a great coach and a great organization. Instead he listened to the haters most of them couldn't get a ring if their live depended on it. Now they mock him. Fact is champions and dynasties are not one dude willing a team to win, it is a united group of people working together.
Tbf his teams were full of injuries drama( Kyrie issue but i agree with him) and bad rosters ( His fault too) that still affects the overall playtime with the talents. But it is a bad look not being successful after leaving Steph and the Warriors. At least Kd isnt a drama queen lmao like a certain someone who says “it’s just basketball”. Kd may not be a bus driver but GSW and Kd needed each other to win. Okc was psychologically beaten by Warriors, And Warriors was psychologically beat by Cavs. It was a match made in heaven.
I can't down KD for being a great player who isn't the team leader. Jrue was the leader/driver for Milwaukee, and Giannis was the engine. Steph has the luxury of being the best shooter, Franchise player, and just happens to play PG. That's like being Magic with Birds shooting/scoring ability. No one's taking that spot, and someone will catch hell trying to replace him when he's gone. KD is KD. Period! He's always been the same highly effective, highly efficient, and highly productive superstar he is today. He's wise enough to know that doing CP3's job would destroy his love for the game. Even Steph learned how to let Draymond facilitate for the team, so he can be free to just play the game the right way. Leader is not for everyone. MJ needed Pippen to be the bridge between he and the team, and both Kobe & Shaq needed Fish & other vets to do the actual team leader thing because they were competing for #1 offensive option. KD is the ultimate weapon because he is good at everything. He's just not a natural TEAM leader, just the most dangerously versatile "go to" weapon on every team he's been on. Beale was a hideous trade. He's been a lone wolf, like Dame, for his whole career. He's had complete autonomy without true help. He was the Box Office draw. It took CP3's pure PG leadership to stabilize Phoenix, and they've been lost without him. It's D-U-M-B to build your team around 3 wing players who can average 30, but have no PG running the show through a Big. It's a poorly constructed roster, and you're asking scorers to facilitate. Scorers facilitate THEIR offense 1st, which is why KD's best option was he, Booker, CP3, and Ayton. That combo maximizes point production because that's 80-100pts per game without including any others. Age got CP3. KD & Book need a Center or PF & a PG. There's no balance, just space. You can't give scorers space AND the ball for 4qtrs. They'll play well, and lose games the would win with a floor general & a presence in the paint. A floor general takes complete command in crucial moments, waving off scorers, in favor of dominating the flow of the game & the clock. They're calling specific plays to get specific shots that draw fouls or stress the defense into positional mistakes. Scorers don't see the game that way. They're gonna score until it's over, then look at the scoreboard. You can't demand a player become who he's not. Some things are natural to some people, hence Steph deferring to Draymond. Steph is a PG because he was too small to play any other position, yet too good to sit or cut. Let's have more perspective. It's the old "unwilling or unable" question.
1. KDs had Achilles tear lol. 2. Sun's suck. 3. Harden and kryie got injured and his toe was still the only reason he didn't win. 4. Kd didn't make beal decisions 5. Ant man Is better than tatum, luka, bron, ect.
@@TyBrezzy11 really? Question. How much better is luka on offense? Say luka is s-tier. Ant is A. Ant is leaps and bounds beyond luka on defense. We'll see when wolves beat nuggets. And mavs lose to clippers
He’s been one of the luckiest superstars in terms of talent he has had the chance to play with in their primes. His 2 rings only coming with the warriors is such an underwhelming situation
Redick was a player so his perspective will always favor the player. Us fans have a much different perspective where we care more about loyalty and respectable decision making from our star players.
So many people still holding KD in such a high regard exposes their lack of knowledge of basketball. So many players (ex and current) GMs, trainers and everyone in between still think its year 2010 and KD ball is efficient. Maybe if other teams shot % like its 2010 and scored 80-90 a game.
7:00 defense does indeed win championships- 90s bulls, 80s 90s pistons both some of the best defensive teams weve ever seen. 80s LAL sure they ran teams out of the building but you have to get the ball first in order to do that = good defense. 80s BOS- tough team defense. 💪
KD does realize that by getting him you have to give up assets. With no assets it's kind of hard to succeed. If they had won a championship, then you couldn't take the trash. Only problem the Suns haven't won one.
I think KD has done his part. I know everyone wants to shit on him, but he's carried the part he needed to carry. Truthfully, I know people think is crazy. But he should go back to golden state. I think that's his best option. He would still fit great within the team and they aren't "Unbeatable" like before. But it would give them the best chance of winning again and not having to give up much for it.
That Clip of Steve Kerr telling KD Isolation Ball can't win you chips and then seconds later in the clip, he holds the ball for almost the whole shot clock while Steve Kerr is yelling at him to move the ball screams louder and louder the longer he plays!
In the 2010's, specifically 2013-2020, offense did win championships, but you still needed to be a top 10 defense. Problem is, during that time, the average player's offensive skills took a huge leap to follow that trend. Big men can now shoot 3's, there is more ball movement now. Everyone has good offense, which in turn, now requires better defense to put your team ahead.
having the same expectations as a healthy player for someone who went from playing in 86% to 64% of his games played is wild.. he only played in 33% of his games before this season, yet is treated like he’s been fully healthy
People need to understand the difference between BEST and GREATEST. Greatness comes from the accolades and legacy you leave behind. KD is one of the BEST scorers in this NBA's history, but he doesn't deserve to be listed next to the GREATEST scorers to play the game.
KD ain’t never beating the “bus rider” allegations
Listening to Charles Barkley for insight is insane
They aren't allegations if they are true😂
@@catalogueboys2538KD put up 35 a game riding the bus where the “bus rider” only put up 25 a night
@@catalogueboys2538bird was a bus rider
Very true like I’m an OKC fan so he will always be cupcake to me no matter what but his legacy is permanently tarnished nobody takes those championships seriously after he left a championship caliber team, that mostly lost an embarrassing fashion in seven games because he played like shit for half the series then he leaves for already the best team in the world to make them essentially unbeatable yet he wants respect for that
KD said “I am bad at saying stand behind me and follow me” - but he also thinks he should be in the “goat” convo?? Pure delusion.
-- One of the best skilled offensive players ever. But yeah, he's only one of the best kind of Pippen -- as a bus rider.
@@jlui21 is the point to win the game?
@@LouSeph
Yes. The championship game in particular. And KD doesn't do that.
Your comment is spot on.
@ispeakfactsbruhif anything it was an insult to Pippen. You do understand that any player in a Finals series can win the MVP. Iggy won MVP of the '15 Finals when everyone knows Steph should've won and he should've had one of the two KD has. KD's job in the Finals was made easy because of the attention Steph gets and Steph still had great stats. Playing along side Steph makes any player's job easy.
Barkley is a man who is 100% secure in himself as a person and his accomplishments on the hardwood. Even though he never won a championship, his career looks even better as time moves - especially thanks to the 2010 era Superstars.
Honestly after years of hearing Shaq say "four rings" every frickin night, I'll bet rings have lost all meaning to everyone who works with him.
Who is guy
Chuck's career doesnt look that good at all unless you're glazing him. He's actually worse than you think KD is. He didnt get anywhere with Philly and requested a trade. He got to the finals with PHX and conceded to MJ even saying that he admitted MJ was better back then.
Then he requested a trade to the Rockets who had gone through Chuck twice in a row to get 2 championships. Chuck had blown a 2-0 lead and then a 3-1 lead to the Rockets before requesting to be traded there. Do yall even do your research or just back him because he trashes KD?
@@smoothsavage2870Takes one to know one 1 guess
@@smoothsavage2870 Conceding to the 90s Bulls led by Jordan is not a flaw lol
Suns playing without a true PG all season was a big mistake
Or they could have changed to an offense that doesn't require one
@@lbarge85You can’t play basketball without a point guard because he’s the quarterback of the team
The 72 win Bulls team had Ron Harper as a PG and he was a career shooting guard.
You don't need a traditional point for the triangle or Princeton style offenses
@@williamwalsh1533 Tex Winters ran an actual offense tbh.
Man the guy has always been soft and at times shown that he lacks heart period.
Single moms raise men that way.
@@chongli3007 Don't turn this political. some men aren't leaders by nature and that's fine
@chongli3007 That saying is bs.
@@Jimmy-ik2kc so true, ppl love to make stuff p*litical. Some men just arent meant to be leaders.
@@Jimmy-ik2kc no it's not.
JJ gonna defend KD with the "Not a superteam because they don't have complimentary players" excuse 🤣
They're literally NOT a superteam. Book and KD are the stars.
@@smoothsavage2870beal?
@@tc-channelhobby4051 He aint been all star level for a long time. He's only ever been all NBA once and he was 3rd team. He doesnt make the Suns a superteam.
@@smoothsavage2870 are you really going with this when he actually is? even espn is literally wanking the suns because of this? heck even brook as well saying no one can guard them.
@@tc-channelhobby4051bro Beal doesn’t boost that team at all
Michael Jordan in 13 Full Seasons:
6 championships
6 Finals MVPs
5 MVPs
10 Scoring Titles
9 First Team All-NBA Defense
1 DPOY award
3 Steals Champion
82 game seasons: 9
1 all star teammate
Lebron and Durant in 37 full seasons combined:
6 Championships
6 Finals MVPs
5 MVPs
5 Scoring Titles
5 First Team All-NBA Defense
0 DPOY awards
0 Steals Champion
82 Game seasons combined: 2
14 combined all star teammates
Talk that shit Randy! Let em know
@ChicagoDolofacts
Oof that’s a tough read. Jordan was really a special athlete
@ChicagoDolo well I’m including the Wizards years. 15 total. 13 without 86 and 94
@@Therealwanderingyooper Why is the truth tough to read? lol
Durant wondered why nobody has him in a goat debate when he doesn’t understand there’s better debates for why he’s not even top 20 all time
Moronic statement from you
@ACE_1923 you lying casual Durant is top ten all time came from a torn Achilles after all he's given to the game of basketball inspired the young guys of today smh Durant won't receive his flowers until its too late like Kobe Bean
@@darnellwilliams8783he ain’t top 30. What makes him top anything? He’s never one shit without curry. Can’t lead a team to nothing
@@darnellwilliams8783he is top 10 if the NBA didn’t exist before 2016
@darnellwilliams8783 He's either top 15 or 20 but definitely not top 10 and he could even finish his career outside the top 20 just saying.
Give me Dirk over KD every day of the week. Man led his teams to 60+ wins every year with like no other all star (I think?) in the toughest conference ever.
Nash and Finley were All-Stars, Josh Howard was once as well.
@@Jesse-zc5pg Finley is only a 2 Time All Star.
Nash also only made2 Times when he was at Dallas.
Isnt comparable to KDs Teammates
He lead them to 60 wins or more twice it would be more accurate to say 50 wins every year.
@@Jesse-zc5pg He won the NBA title against the first superteam ever, in terms of players joining at their prime to win the NBA, led by LeBron, Wade and Bosh. After them mocking him for having the flu. The 2nd best player in that Dirk´s team was JJ BAREA (admited by Wade, not me).
@@jackbombay1423the heat weren’t the first super team ever but I get your point
Karma for doing Russ dirty and copping out to the warriors… it always comes full circle.
Can't even front that was a bitch move by Kd. Lol
Unlike most all time greats, KD doesn’t impact the game in more ways than scoring, and when his shot isn’t falling he’s a liability. He doesn’t move much off ball, okay at making plays for others, and isn’t a great rebounder. He’s a mobile 7 footer with a huge wingspan and should’ve been an all time great defender
You are just talking nonsense, yes he is not a leader, but to say his only impact is scoring is madness, and more after this last game, where he gave 4 blocks, with 9 rebounds and 6 assists, with only one turnover.
@@sadsam3488 1 good game isn’t reflective of his entire career
@@chrilpyits jus not one game tho 😂
@@chrilpyi agree KD hasnt made all defense in the last five years
@@Deeskie I agree, his career shows he’s a below average rebounder and not a great facilitator.
Giannis, Jokic, and Steph encourage and enhance their teammates while KD can't get his teammates to play well because of his presence.
Jokic and Steph are valid. Giannis is not. Nobody plays better because of Giannis.
Agree 💯. Giannis is starting to become a problem!@@smoothsavage2870
u sound like a bozo
Has a Brooklyn Nets fan this is good karma for Kevin
Joe Tsai is the one who ran KD harden. And Kyrie out of town morón
@@TyBrezzy11thank you
You mean the guy who nearly beat the Bucks himself, made the Nets Relevant since J Kidd days? 😂
@@TyBrezzy11 kyrie ran himself out, don't forget he was also the reason harden wanted out cuz kyrie was trying to part time the nba while being a social activist.
the real perpetrator of that failure was kyrie. yea kd wasn't a leader but he at least wasn't a goddamn nuisance like every other month cuz he think he's the second coming of muhammad ali like kyrie
KD lack of leadership and lack of growth has shown. It’s time for him to retire, there is no easy way to a championship, just because you’re great at scoring doesn’t mean you will be a champion. He’s been hard headed for years and his legacy will be massively impacted.
Kenny smith’s face when Charles said “all these bus riders, they don’t mean NOTHING to me..if you ain’t riding the bus don’t be talking about you a champion”…. That’s exactly Kenny smith lmaooooo
But it’s a team sport, the greats need role players. Hakeem needed Kenny Smith to hit 7 three pointers in the NBA Finals. Michael Jordan needed John Paxson to key three pointers. This is a bad take by Chuck, I’ve got the same amount of championships as him.
@@John-ct9zs and you ride the bus every day to work
whats your point chief
@@derekhettinger451 hey boss the point is exactly what I wrote, unless you have reading comprehension problems, which apparently you do. A team sport is not an individual accomplishment, the star players need support players like John Paxson, Kenny Smith,....otherwise no chips for them.
Uncut wrong for showing the Heartbreak Kid kick his idol with sweet chin music lol. It definitely was a nice touch lmao sheesh
KD always reminded me of Carmelo Anthony - Selfish / All about themselves and not at all a Team player or mentality- It’s a shame.
how is he selfish
This is pure lies lmao. What you're saying is pure anti-KD narrative.
KD plays team ball. He is just a snake and not a leader at all while Carmelo was a selfish ball stopper who didn't play defense
KD & LEBRON HAVE ALOT IN COMMON THIS YEAR 😂
yeah both soft AF
you got that right. they are talented but lack mental toughness
I'm not a Lebron fan at all and your statement has validity, I'll give Bron the edge. He at least pretends to want to be a leader lol. KD flat out lacks that killer instinct.
@@1DashaHarris lebron won with 3 different teams an kd only won with a 73-9 team that won 2 chips without him. Lebron a level above KD.
@edwinbrown2148 I guess my point went over your head. In a nutshell without going into detail I literally said they weren't the same. But if you want to get technical D Wade had already won a championship as well....with NO Lebron.
One of the reasons the Blazers picked Oden over Durant way back when was KDs psych eval. Kevin Prichard the then GM did not like a lot of the answers he got when talking to KD.
Well they made a huge mistake, especially since Oden had injuries in college at 7’1 280. I always heard because the Blazers had Lamarcus Aldridge, who was playing at an All Star level at that time, they needed a center not a PF.
Same reason Portland chose Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan in 1984. They had Clyde Drexler at SG and needed center, Hakeem was a sure bet, but went #1, so Bowie was the 2nd best center in college and was taken at #2. Like Oden he had injury issues in college. Portland made the same mistake twice, 20 years apart 🤦🏾♂️
KD isn’t leader, but nor is Steph and he doesn’t get bashed about it. Steph lets Draymond be team leader of GS. When Draymond is acting a fool, Steph is usually walking away or head sulking on the bench.
@@ninocrown3247Ummm no.. Steph is the leader period. No idea what your talking about.
@@Old_82naw draymond is steph said it
@@Old_82 Steph has never been the leader of the Wariors. That's always been Draymond. If KD cant be the leader of his teams just because he's the best player, neither can Steph.
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"im sorry, i love you...".... lmao
Then proceeds to damn near decapitate his az. 😂😂😂
The best players don’t win. The best team does. It’s a great metaphor for life, honestly.
KD got sonned by 3 generations.
From lebron to Curry to Ant.
Saying he is Top 15 is the biggest fail of this video.
Transcendent 🔥
@@chrilpyyep, barely top 75
You mean he sonned james.
Lebron needed a superteam to beat young KD
@@underpressure07140 KD Failed to beat anybody with 2 super teams
Oh boy... Another player that could've been great, but got on the LeBrainwash train 🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽
What lol
@@stkanye514join super teams to win instead of sticking with your team and building around you like 95 percent of greats
@@stkanye514like jokic has a better case of being above KD. And he is with the Nuggets…. Who never won before him
He a top 15 player alltime
There is no case for that. Jokic is already better than durcant @@Cpro969
If only Charles would apply the same standard to LeBronze. Kobe said it best: you're either on the bus, off the bus, or under the bus.
Well unlike Kobe lebron was the best player for all his chips
@@ronaldjohnson5717 😂🤣🤡🌎 Thanks, I needed a good laugh today!
@@ronaldjohnson5717 Unlike LeBron, Kobe was never the reason his team lost in the finals
@@HushHushOGKobe was a big part of why they lost in 2004. Shaq was playing well enough that if Kobe played to his regular standards it could have at least gone more than 5. Kobe shot 38 percent for the series and 33 percent in the four Lakers losses.
@@gabrielmurray929 2004's pistons defense shut the lakers down and even contained shaq for the most part. Shaq shot his next to lowest % in a final's appearance.
Greatest match I ever saw in person.
HBK/Flair WM24.
You’re lucky
Damn. Not many matches better.
The greatest match my uncle saw in person was HBK/Undertaker at WM26
lmao, that Shawn Michaels edit to ant man was hard!
Ant Edwards is just beast mode
as a nets fan I love this. i'm so tired of hearing how the nets were dumb for letting him and the other two cancers go. they all have better teammates now than they did in Brooklyn and none of them will win anything. they are good but overrated and exhausting.
Let them go.. how slow are u? They left as soon as they could.. the nets didn't have a choice...lol
@@dadvssoncocopuffs9187 thats not true. kyrie wanted to stay. he was even willing to sign a 5 year deal. the nets told him no. they wanted no more than three years. harden was really cornered regarding a trade and he finally agreed. he didnt say anything until pressed. durant left when he was the last one left. you sound ignorant of the situation.
@infoguy1978 he was willing ? Lol.. bro u really are slow... he asked for something noone would give him... he knew that.....KD didn't want to stay either.. what are u talking about? .. they came to NY because they thought NY would embrace them, when we didn't, KDs hurt was broken.. Kyrie still thinks the earth is flat
@@dadvssoncocopuffs9187 are you a knicks fan? i'm a nets fan. its bizzarre how youre trying to act like the authority on this. you sound like a threatened exagerrating knicks fan. are you a knicks fan? as if i didnt already know the answer
The Nets WERE dumb for letting the go, but that's not the only reason. The Nets had a good thing going in the 2020-2021 season. Guess what they did? They kept Steve Nash as HC and let Ime Udoka leave the coaching staff and go be the Celtics HC.
Ime goes there and causes a scandal, then the Nets try to get him back after Steve Nash shows us he wasnt meant for the job. But they let the Celtics talk them out of hiring him. Then the owner was a complete idiot who was trying to find any reason to have an issue with Kyrie also.
They themselves werent exhausting. What's exhausting was the media and haters that needed to have something negative to say day in and day out about ANY team KD is involved with post-Warriors. Yall wanted him gone, he leaves, and yall are STILL fucking upset. Just say you want him to fail and be done with it.
Come on guys, he is a first ballot hall of famer. Not to mention, he has made a buck or two. We common folk shouldn’t feel too sorry for K.D., he is gonna be OK
lots of skilled and talented "hoopers" today but very few real leaders that can also carry a team
4:56 I’m so confused. KD doesn’t have ring outside of GSW.
Hence forth he is the Slim Sleeper 😂😂😂
What's hilarious is in my humble opinion is including his okc years, His most natural and relaxed years where he could just play and be KD was with GS where he was NOT the leader of the team and that's where he was the most successful so he's not wrong
Anthony Edwards JORDAN 🔥🔥🔥 He is HIM. The new face of the league
After over a decade of Superfriends I love that we now have Jokic, Giannis and Ant as the faces of the league.
he’s out this round, two more games
Well this aged well
@@richardmarkestalilla7049 He is 22, he will only get better
Stop it. This is the euro ballers league now deal with it.
Ant hitting that shot over KD was symbolic. Ant is the next hope for the NBA after these soft ring chasing collusionists leave for good.
Durant just exposes how good GSW really was. Durant is definitely a great player but he hasn’t produced anything since leaving GSW
Kevin is one of the most talented players of all time. He just didn’t have the right teams or the correct mental outlook to be considered one of the greats. He’s still had a hall of fame career. People are down on him because he had the talent to be considered great!
And he has the audacity to say he should be the goat conversation
-- he has the offensive skill set to be a GOAT (Top 5) but he's only Top 20-25.
Great player but not enough to be in the GOAT conversation. Mindset is a SKILL. Bird, MJ are the 2 guys that stand out.
@jlui21 true dat. He's a great player skill wise. Definitely not goat material
@@jlui21 I've always liked Kevin Durant's Game, but top 25 might be generous considering how he got his rings.
@@universityoffree - agree. KD Took the easy path to his 2 rings, which is weak sauce like LeThird
But I am weighing KDs entire resume: 1 MVP, 2 FMVPs, 4x scoring champ, he’s up there EVEN IF he jumped on Curry’s bus. KD is a Great player (Top 20-25) but nowhere near the GOAT.
That's that weed he's smoking .....it has him tripping hard.
Kd is in scottie pippen mode.
y’all really act like KD went to Golden State & averaged 17 behind Curry… yall were the same people who said GSW only won because irving and love were hurt & couldn’t beat a healthy Cavs team.. that actually plays out & GSW makes a moves and now it’s unfair.. yet steph, klay and dray still get to benefit from while KD never gets any love
lol why do you think that is? They didn’t need him. They were up 3-1
@@uliseslozano95if they didint need him then why they fly out all the way to cancuun to recriut him ? And if so why didint they win up 3 1 biggest selljob in history they needed him to beat bron and kirie.
And never will get that love . Should of stood on business and won in okc
@@MeaCulpa04 😂 Melo said no to the Heatles and now his entire legacy is damn near being over shadowed 4 years into retirement.. I don’t recall ppl diminishing championships until the 2010s
@@StuntmanBeatz313 Melo?! Ha! if that was the case then he should have said yes cause that was his best bet at winning , he never did anything worthy after Denver. Melo is like the Cam newton of nba, no substance behind a good career.
I'm from Oklahoma City and Durant felt like one of us locals. A cool headed guy who was a part of the community. We all loved him and followed him along to the playoffs and western state championship and then the finals. Once that 3-1 lead fell apart everyone knew something was up.
To win a championship with Golden State I would not have a proud memory of that. I'd honestly feel ashamed.
Look at the Thunder now. Took a while for us to grow back up to the level we had a decade ago and I'm so proud of us.
Some people talk about how KD will come back to Oklahoma City and retire there. I don't know if that will ever happen and if people would like it to be honest.
Curry and KD nuff said. I don't think KD can ever find another complementary team mate.
Skap man you never miss, that Shawn Michaels and ric flair clip in the beginning transitioning to the poster was perfect man 😂
As much hate as KD got, I liked him in Golden State because he actually played defense.
Yes it's so true. It's probably a reason why Wemby is so impressed for him..
7:00-7:30 Exposes how some big 3s just hoped to outtalent everybody else instead of having a real team strategy in mind with it. Glad the LeBron/KD Superteam era is over and the next generation is going back to the roots of basketball -- teams built with depth, chemistry, hunger, and IQ. Nuggets, OKC, Twolves, Grizzlies, Boston, Miami, etc.
If I'm Durant and Curry, I'd team up again for one last hurrah.
Reality is that a lot of NBA players are in the top .005% of the population of skilled ball players. How you mesh with your team, coaching staff, and how you match up against other defenders and teams matters the most. Durant is a fantastic player but he drops off some games and is usually on a team that has critical mismatches that can win games but not get through the Finals with ease. Personally I think his career would have been so different if Kobe, LeBron, and Dirk weren’t playing at the same time. That, and if GSW kept him and moved Draymond out instead.
I'd like Anthony Edwards more if he didn't taunt people. People love humility. It is why people liked MJ. He did celebrate, and sometimes was confrontational, but mostly he was a silent assassin.
they swept KD and the Suns and earned that right. Also I want to see more people style on KD who's a massive fraud
If you can back it up in the big moments, then I don’t mind. And in terms of silent assassin, Jordan is not the example I would choose. I could be wrong but I see ant and Jordan very similarly in terms of wanting to crush their opponents and let them know about it
I never thought of it like that, but that T-Mac comparison fits so well.
it doesn't help that Vogel is completely clueless. They shouldve started Bol along side Nurkic and IT at PG with Beal as the 6th man for bench scoring.
give me what ur smoking😂
@Terminator-ht3sx what do u mean? The literally got swept so any other lineup would've been better. Clearly Vogel is smoking crack
All the Gob clips are KILLING ME 😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣
KD did all.he can, beal failed the suns and dev came through at the last min
🤡🤡🤡🤡.
LEGENDARY!!
You include Micheals vs Flair WM match as a comparison, while Edward’s does the DX crotch chop next 😂😂
Thanks for not posting another Jordan or Lebron video.
Just shows it takes a lot more than just throwing a bunch of stars together to win a championship.
Nothing can take away from the fact that KD is a great baller.
You're so right, and it saddens me to admit it because i like KD a lot😢...but he deserves all that smoke. He should have stayed at Golden State.
To be fair to Durant he missed a whole season with a pretty bad injury. I'm not a Durant fan but it can't be ignored.
what’s the song playing in the background?
KD is a Steph curry baby
Well neither Steph nor KD are great leaders. Draymond was the leader of that GS dynasty, which is probably why they tolerated his antics so long. Steph just gets a pass, but when Draymond is acting a fool on the court, Steph is usually recorded walking away with his mouthpiece hanging out his mouth in frustration or sitting on the bench sulking, sometimes with a towel over his head. Steph just gets a pass for not being a good leader, where KD didn’t.
KD’s legacy probably would have been better if he stayed in OKC or settled in GS to win 3-4 chips. But between Draymond saying they didn’t need him, the Team President making that slick comment about KD at the championship parade and people constantly doubting him as a “real Warrior”.
@@ninocrown3247 He would not have a legacy, he did not and would not win a ring in OKC
@@ninocrown3247 I saw Draymond lead the Warriors to the worst record in the league 2020 without Steph Curry
Thank you, thank you, thank you for making!!! So True!
This is why men need fathers in their lives....
Watching this back, really makes me realize just how much KD is chasing the exact situation he left in GState. It’s like he forgot that the championship is supposed to be a battle. He needs to toughen up and accept the grind, only problem is that he’s a bit old for a mindset shift like that
I still like KD - he has a nice game.
KD should have stayed in Golden State with great teammates, a great coach and a great organization. Instead he listened to the haters most of them couldn't get a ring if their live depended on it. Now they mock him. Fact is champions and dynasties are not one dude willing a team to win, it is a united group of people working together.
It's about money, not haters bro
I can’t stand Bron but at least he was better at stacking teams together and winning
That’s the thing! Kd sucked so bad it made lebron look better. Even though him stacking teams is still as weak.
The BEST bus rider to ever pick up a ball 🏀🏀🏀 that is KD legacy 👍🏾
Tbf his teams were full of injuries drama( Kyrie issue but i agree with him) and bad rosters ( His fault too) that still affects the overall playtime with the talents. But it is a bad look not being successful after leaving Steph and the Warriors. At least Kd isnt a drama queen lmao like a certain someone who says “it’s just basketball”. Kd may not be a bus driver but GSW and Kd needed each other to win. Okc was psychologically beaten by Warriors, And Warriors was psychologically beat by Cavs. It was a match made in heaven.
At lebron wins a championship with every team he played for….
@@edwinbrown2148 he aint greater than LeBron but Ledrama queen aint the GOAT. Mj reigns supreme
@@edwinbrown2148LeBron is fortunate for that pandemic rest and Kyrie/Ray savings his bricking ass.
@@sul3377 That’s fine lol
@@edwinbrown2148 Lebron had better rosters 😂🤡
So tired of the media being in the bag for superstars as if they're above criticism.
KD is a Kingmaker. The last four teams to beat him in the playoffs went to the finals. 3/4 won.
KD is still great, Suns need defenders and a couple 4-5
Durant will never get respect from me. He took the cupcake route to win championships. I am glad his legacy continues to suffer.
Good thing you’re a nobody and nobody will ever know you
I can't down KD for being a great player who isn't the team leader. Jrue was the leader/driver for Milwaukee, and Giannis was the engine. Steph has the luxury of being the best shooter, Franchise player, and just happens to play PG. That's like being Magic with Birds shooting/scoring ability. No one's taking that spot, and someone will catch hell trying to replace him when he's gone. KD is KD. Period! He's always been the same highly effective, highly efficient, and highly productive superstar he is today. He's wise enough to know that doing CP3's job would destroy his love for the game. Even Steph learned how to let Draymond facilitate for the team, so he can be free to just play the game the right way. Leader is not for everyone. MJ needed Pippen to be the bridge between he and the team, and both Kobe & Shaq needed Fish & other vets to do the actual team leader thing because they were competing for #1 offensive option. KD is the ultimate weapon because he is good at everything. He's just not a natural TEAM leader, just the most dangerously versatile "go to" weapon on every team he's been on. Beale was a hideous trade. He's been a lone wolf, like Dame, for his whole career. He's had complete autonomy without true help. He was the Box Office draw. It took CP3's pure PG leadership to stabilize Phoenix, and they've been lost without him. It's D-U-M-B to build your team around 3 wing players who can average 30, but have no PG running the show through a Big. It's a poorly constructed roster, and you're asking scorers to facilitate. Scorers facilitate THEIR offense 1st, which is why KD's best option was he, Booker, CP3, and Ayton. That combo maximizes point production because that's 80-100pts per game without including any others. Age got CP3. KD & Book need a Center or PF & a PG. There's no balance, just space. You can't give scorers space AND the ball for 4qtrs. They'll play well, and lose games the would win with a floor general & a presence in the paint. A floor general takes complete command in crucial moments, waving off scorers, in favor of dominating the flow of the game & the clock. They're calling specific plays to get specific shots that draw fouls or stress the defense into positional mistakes. Scorers don't see the game that way. They're gonna score until it's over, then look at the scoreboard. You can't demand a player become who he's not. Some things are natural to some people, hence Steph deferring to Draymond. Steph is a PG because he was too small to play any other position, yet too good to sit or cut. Let's have more perspective. It's the old "unwilling or unable" question.
1. KDs had Achilles tear lol. 2. Sun's suck. 3. Harden and kryie got injured and his toe was still the only reason he didn't win.
4. Kd didn't make beal decisions
5. Ant man Is better than tatum, luka, bron, ect.
Ant is nowhere near Luka get a grip
@@TyBrezzy11 really? Question. How much better is luka on offense? Say luka is s-tier. Ant is A. Ant is leaps and bounds beyond luka on defense. We'll see when wolves beat nuggets. And mavs lose to clippers
He’s been one of the luckiest superstars in terms of talent he has had the chance to play with in their primes. His 2 rings only coming with the warriors is such an underwhelming situation
Not his fault I put it on Beal that boy 🤮🤮🤮🤮
He is one of the greatest players of all time. In his prime, he was truly unguardable.
Redick was a player so his perspective will always favor the player. Us fans have a much different perspective where we care more about loyalty and respectable decision making from our star players.
Young man’s game, these older guys don’t have the motors anymore down the strech
This was satisfying
So many people still holding KD in such a high regard exposes their lack of knowledge of basketball. So many players (ex and current) GMs, trainers and everyone in between still think its year 2010 and KD ball is efficient. Maybe if other teams shot % like its 2010 and scored 80-90 a game.
Chuck doesn’t know a goddamn thing
He was mvp in the finals they could not win with black to back without Kd
The Ric Flair / Shawn Michaels clip... muah, chefs kiss lol
KD IS top 10 players ever....
7:00 defense does indeed win championships- 90s bulls, 80s 90s pistons both some of the best defensive teams weve ever seen.
80s LAL sure they ran teams out of the building but you have to get the ball first in order to do that = good defense. 80s BOS- tough team defense. 💪
KD does realize that by getting him you have to give up assets. With no assets it's kind of hard to succeed. If they had won a championship, then you couldn't take the trash. Only problem the Suns haven't won one.
4:22 are we going to talk about Stephen Ain’t Shit wearing those necklaces?? 🤣🤣🤣
Best description for KD is that he's a mercenary.
People truly underestimate what MJ would do to these guys mentally. Can you imagine the gamesmanship, cigars, etc.?
The Gob clips are perfect 🤣
I think KD has done his part. I know everyone wants to shit on him, but he's carried the part he needed to carry. Truthfully, I know people think is crazy. But he should go back to golden state. I think that's his best option. He would still fit great within the team and they aren't "Unbeatable" like before. But it would give them the best chance of winning again and not having to give up much for it.
The ball never lies.
Ant giving the degen X suck it is hilarious lol
That Clip of Steve Kerr telling KD Isolation Ball can't win you chips and then seconds later in the clip, he holds the ball for almost the whole shot clock while Steve Kerr is yelling at him to move the ball screams louder and louder the longer he plays!
TMac & George Gervin comparison is a phenomenal comparison
In the 2010's, specifically 2013-2020, offense did win championships, but you still needed to be a top 10 defense. Problem is, during that time, the average player's offensive skills took a huge leap to follow that trend. Big men can now shoot 3's, there is more ball movement now. Everyone has good offense, which in turn, now requires better defense to put your team ahead.
having the same expectations as a healthy player for someone who went from playing in 86% to 64% of his games played is wild.. he only played in 33% of his games before this season, yet is treated like he’s been fully healthy
KD doesn't want the responsibilities of a leader he just wants the praise and respect.
People need to understand the difference between BEST and GREATEST. Greatness comes from the accolades and legacy you leave behind.
KD is one of the BEST scorers in this NBA's history, but he doesn't deserve to be listed next to the GREATEST scorers to play the game.