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- The all-electric Lexus Rz450e is so nearly the perfect EV. Quality interior, great tech and striking looks. It has fantastic ride quality and is a comfy place to do a long journey. However, for me it has a problem that prevents it from being the complete package.
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Everyone mentions the lack of range on this car and I get it. When I heard Lexus first came out with an electric car; I was very interested until I found out the range was only 196 miles. At that time I dismissed it. Several months later a friend of mine and I went to test drive one. We were both very impressed. The sales person told us about the Lexus Reserve program that will give the purchaser a free loaner car for 3 years (up to 30 days). To me this was a "game changer". I ended up buying the car and LOVE it. After installing a level 2 charger at my residence, I only end up charging maybe once a week. For my driving needs, the car is perfect. For long trips, gas/hybrid cars are still the "way to go" until they come out with solid state batteries. If you drive around town most of the time, I don't think you will regret buying this car.
Wait what?... a free loaner car for up to 30 days? Whats going on here then, what car do they offer for this an NX perhaps, or something less comparable?
If this were predominantly a ‘second’ car, the range is just about acceptable. But for the price, it would have to be the family’s principal mode of transport. The range kills it. I’m a Lexus owner and I so wanted this car to be amazing. In so many ways it is. But that range…. 😢
all EVs should be considered 2nd cars
Only if your poor, your circumstances might mean its no good for your family, but the rest of us don’t care.
@@justice4gwhy?
@@tesla-spectre can't rely on charging stations yet
@@justice4g of course you can. At least here in Europe definitely for all EVs and in general for a Tesla anywhere where there are Superchargers. i drove 50000km with my Model 3 LR in 1.5 years and it is as easy as before with my Mercedes c220d, never back to combustion engines.
Do you have experience with an EV yourself? And wher do you live? I travel all across Europe and it is mega easy.
Toyota has some serious discrepancies between their claimed range and their actual range.
Hi Ped, great unbiased review as always, but seriously £69k and an abysmal range, who is going to buy this car new? SH they will struggle also I feel. Shame, because as you say it is a nice environment.☹️
Good review, especially in relation to your points about range.
Great video mate
Good review, and I too was disappointed by the range, and also the charging speed, which in real life is nowhere near the 150kW, the charging curve is really quite bad as well, so while it goes easy on the batteries, giving that 10 year 90% guarantee, it makes for much longer charging times.
The best option Lexus do at the moment are the plug in 450h+ models, either the RX or NX if you don’t need the bigger size. Gives you that 30-40ish miles full EV mode for those “runaround” journeys, then the petrol engine to back it up on longer trips.
Couldn't agree more. There is no place in my life for a full on EV however, I do run a hybrid as a company car and having had a Lexus before, I really do miss the quality that I've not found in any other brand at similar price levels. I will be looki g at the RX plug in hybrid when the time comes to change.
Your content, videos, mid week 180 and pod casts are brilliant. I don't know why you haven't got a lot more subscribers. Maybe you have a much more exclusive club ! The motorhome one was a great insite
Wow, thank you 🙏🏻
Because the range is low, and there's no place to go here, this one is right up our streets...in Hawai'i. By the time one sorts out the screens, one would already have arrived at one's destination...which is a huge tailback/traffic jam. I like the looks of the upholstery very, very much! No vinyl or leather lasts long here; the cloth in your tester is the way to go. A nice car in which to relax and spend time.
Good reviews thank you
Glad you like them!
Interesting review! Thanks 👍. I have a BMW iX40 electric car with a 71.5 kwh battery, which looks to be a bigger vehicle.
I just did a round trip to south London from Chester (250miles each way) over the august bank holiday weekend (yes, I know I must have been crazy, but it was to attend a function as I would never normally dream of this journey over a bank holiday).
The weather on leaving was 17 degrees and cloudy plus rain on and off. It was warmer in London though).
The car indicated 264 miles at 100% on leaving and I planned a stop a Banbury instavolt as it was over halfway, and I would need lunch and toilets by then anyway. I got to Banbury and around half of the 32 chargers were in use, but I got a 150kw charger no problem and at 140 miles in I was still at 50%.
I had a sandwich and a coffee at the Costa (and a pee 😮) and got back to the car after 25 mins or so to find it at 98%.
I drove to london 8 hours of traffic horror) parked up and drove home the next day stopping at Banbury again (loads of chargers available, repeated the previous days costa experience). The car was at 20% getting to Banbury again and my 25 minute stop showed 82% so I got home without further charge.
The whole trip was as fast (if not faster) than my diesel X5 used to do, because instead of queuing for a pump and behind a checkout line, I plugged in and left the car. The drive home was 10 hours, I was cruising at 65 (when I could) and I defy anyone to sit 10 hours without needing a leg stretch and toilet break.
The car did 3.7 mpkwh on the way down and 3.5 on the way back in comfort mode (not economy) with climate set at 19.5 the whole time.
Lexus need to up their efficiency as if they could replicate the experience I just had with the iX40, it would be a consideration!
The iX for it’s size is more efficient than most others. It even has more range than our Polestar 2, which is much smaller and has a larger battery 👍🏻
Most people who haven’t used an EV don’t seem to get that charging whilst you do other stuff is actually quicker and more convenient, than seeking out a petrol station and baby sitting the nozzle whilst it fills up 🤣
I was MTB’ing in Wales on Friday, 330 mile round trip and my car was charging in the trail centre car park, whilst I was riding, for free 😎- zero hassle and inconvenience.
My iX arrives in November ⚡️😊
@@SDK2006b you will love the iX! I do seem to get better efficiency than most (13% better than average according to the app which cross references all iX users).
The comfortable ride (I drove tesla’s, polestar, ioniq 5, iPace, EV6, EQC and more before settling on the iX)and the comfort, efficiency (for its size and performance) and refinement were what sold me on it!
I watched people queuing at the ‘bank holiday’ pumps on my journey and that’s without the inevitable queue to pay behind people with baskets 🧺 (and sometimes trolleys 🛒) full of shopping and could not resist a smug smirk 😏🤣.
I did like the polestar, but it seemed so much more cramped than the iX and I was puzzled at the poor efficiency, although I understand this has improved a lot since the 2021 models I tested.
And is all about changing our old habits that we've been used to. I see an interesting vid a while back saying that we need to be able to graze insofar that wherever we stop, we plug in pretty much all the time. Stop our filling up once a week waiting for fuel light and fill again. Once we can do that conveniently (we can't in reality) then we have cracked it. Currently I charge off peak at home at 7.5p once or twice a week. That won't be reality for everyone unfortunately
Good review. Too much money for too little range. It doesn't matter how "nice" , or luxurious it is.
The rear seating position looked horrendous. The floor must be high in the back. Range is mediocre at best and undoubtedly compromised in colder weather. As always, fantastic content 👍
Thanks for the video 👍🏻
I went for a BMW iX over this, simply preferred the interior, infotainment and more space.
No comparison, the iX is light-years ahead in ... every aspect really, except price (the Sport is the same 69k as the basic Lexus)
I just added my experience of road trips in my iX40 here and I have to say, the car has been a revelation to me!
Good choice!
Another great video, Ped. You are excellent at telling the "minuses" without upsetting the press office ... Like everyone else, I'm very disappointed by Toyota Group's position on EVs; it looks like they are trying to tell us that petrol hybrids are the best solution and propose "CAFE Compliance" vehicles on the range without really believing that people will buy them. I'm starting to think that the relevant channels (you, Transport Evolved, Carwow, Electrifying, Fully Charged) should use 3 performance indexes and emblazon each video with them: one is Miles/KWh (Km/KWh), two is a "real world range", three is a "value index" taking into account the MSRP/RRP of the car. Because until you mentioned the price, all was going well ... in fact, your one is level 3 out of 4, and it's the first one offering an electric tailback. At 69 grand! Note that, for example, there is no mention on the website of the air conditioning technology, but the Toyota offers a heat pump from the basic level ... 46k£. The other thing is that developing a car and systems is expensive, but the software on that screen reminds me a lot of the one in the 2022 Toyota CH-R I had as a courtesy car. I expect something exclusive at that price -- not a reconditioned Toyota Corolla dashboard. Like you, I would be disappointed that there aren't gaz lifters for the froot. On a size note: I'm not as tall as you. However, I tried to enter a BZ4X in which the seats and steering wheel don't retract automatically: because the floor is higher than expected, and the previous visitor had left the seat in a "smaller adult" position, my legs were stuck under the steering wheel, making my exit rather ungracious!
Thanks 🙏🏻
Looks very nice
I'm not sure you quoted the miles/kWh figure for this 71kW battery?
As well as temp, I would also add speed and topography - we have found that these three elements really matter on longer runs. Our Zoe on a motorway run of 180 miles (238m summer range) at 60/65mph will easily handle our destination (30% remaining), but on the return journey, there are steeper and longer inclines, reducing the range and inducing the associated anxiety - we then travel max speed of 62mph until the range indicator settles down on the flatter sections , before picking up the speed with often 7% charge remaining. When it is colder, we need a return journey charge, limited by availability of charge stations. Incidently, we also need to maximise charge levels to 100% to do this, or a 3hr journey with destination charging becomes a 3hr 30min trip with a quick 20min recharge on route. You can't get that time back... Lexus price per usability is poor here.
A few things for me. I am inclined these days to ignore range to a certain degree, and look for the highest rapid charging level (without cold or rapid gating, of course). It’s not a case of a bigger battery pack but greater efficiency that gets my attention. With battery minerals the way they are (and likely to be in the foreseeable future) its up to battery and car manufacturers to find the break through. That is, stop putting such large packs in vehicles, but instead wringing the most efficiency out of whats is available. I’d gladly drive on less than 200miles per charge whilst on a longer range trip if I know I could rely on a charging point that gave me at least 80-90% charge in 15-12 minutes. A break every 160 miles is pretty well what is recommended anyway.
Did you reset the computer (GOM guess-o-meter) when you finished charging? That would give you a more “accurate “ range..
You should come for a ride with me some day... and see how I drive - both when pushing and when taking it easy - WLPT is achievable and exceedable in every single car I've ever had....
Having driven a lot of EV’s and owned them, for me personally 300 mile (real world) is the minimum you need in order for the car not to be an inconvenience. Now for the most part you don’t need a lot of range for day to day but for those trips a few times a month, if I’m spending £40k+ on an EV I don’t want to be inconvenienced. The Tesla and the supercharger network works so well With real world range and performance it’s ruined my ability to enjoy other EVs currently. Still waiting for improvements in 3rd party charging in the UK so more people can benefit from having an EV should they want one (or be forced to have one at this rate)
One of best cars you have featured on your channel even if it is electric 😂😂😂xx Lexus make great everyday cars xxx
The everlasting discussion about WLTP... I sometimes wonder if people even understand what it is. I have been driving a car with similar WLTP for 70000 km now and I find that when it is reasonably warm and I drive on swedish backroades, i.e. 70-90 km/h, I often exceed the WLTP. When you state that WLTP is wrong and doesn't work as a measurement, either you don't understand what it is based on, or the car manufacturer you are commenting on are bluffing (which I find hard to believe despite Dieselgate). Your comment about temperature is correct, but WLTP is based on 23 degrees Celcius.
One road test found that on the mechanically similar Toyota bZ4X, the charge curve dropped off very sharply quite early on. But I'm uncertain if this was a pre-production model and if the issue has since been resolved.
Range isn't the be all and end all with EVs. The charging curve is almost as important. I know you don't really have time to cover off that in your time with the car but it's something that may be worth mentioning. If others have already done some testing of it.
Such a good review as yours always are and it’s very honest. It’s obviously very good, it’s a Lexus. However personally it’s definitely not for me, that range is an issue for the price. Just my take on this but find the top of the dashboard looks messy, over fussy,
Well built with many excellent touches but there’s a lot on the market to tempt buyers away.
Nice car but I agree with you.
Range
If I had that budget, I’d be looking for more range.
Great review as always.
Thanks! 👍
When money is no obstacle the job is easy. What is more interesting is to see how they put a decent product out in the affordable category and even more so in the more basic range they want all of us in before 2030!
When a Tesla Model Y Long Range is £52,990 with a range of over 300 miles, 4.8 seconds 0 to 60 and 135 miles top speed Toyota are going to have a tough time selling this for £20k more than the worlds best selling car.
Then there’s the Supercharger network and it’s integration with the navigation that is a reason to buy a Tesla by itself.
The Model 3 costs less if you prefer a saloon. As a Model 3 owner I’ve found range on the RWD stable at around 250 to 300 miles. The heater/ac is always running.
I’ve owned Toyota’s in the past, a Prius and an Auris hybrid before I went EV with a Leaf. They were brilliant cars. It’s such a shame Toyota/Lexus have let themselves fall behind in the EV market. It doesn’t look good for them at the moment.
I'm amazed by how little range some of these brand new EV cars are getting. I have a 2018 BMW i3 and it manages 110-120 miles on a charge, has a frunk and a trunk and is perfect for around the city, for me that makes a brand new, relatively big car (so lots of space to fit the batteries and all the gubbins) feel rather embarrassing if they can only (in the real world) get around 200 miles . It seems that most of the major car manufacturers are having a hard time building an EV with decent range. Especially when you compare them with the dedicated EV companies like Rivian, Lucid or Tesla who are getting in the 4-500 mile range out of their cars.
Looks great but agree the range is bad for the price. We've got a Model Y in our (extended) family, and that will do 4m/kWh easily, on motorways at this time of year. Decent size frunk too. I'm not a Tesla fanboy, but I continue to be amazed/dismayed that no other manufacturer seems able to match their electrical or space efficiency. They must have pulled enough apart by now to see how they tick!
This^.
The moment that the bonnet is lifted in any EV and the result is an unpacked mess of gubbins, tells me everything I need to understand about that companies approach to producing EVs.
As you say, surely these other companies have taken apart (or seen Munro's videos) other vehicles to see how they did it?
I just don't get it
As always Lexus come up with a striking looking car. You can tell a Lexus from a mile off (wether that’s a good or bad thing is down to personal taste of course), but they stand out.
My perception of them has always been the luxury side of the market, and that they clearly do in bucket loads, but as everyone is saying, that range is a killer.
I wonder if they’d be better to go the Mirai route and use a hydrogen fuel cell rather than full ev???
Why do you need sport mode for normal driving??
The range indicated when you showed the modes is correct. 74 Kw battery and about 3 miles per Kw.
That's a LOT of money, mate! BTW, I've been wondering about aero on EVs. They all seem to have front ends that are really blunt/large (including the Lexus). Surely a more aerodynamic front end would aid range or am I missing something?
My 1963 Mini has similar range, costs £30 to fill, which can be done in 2 minutes. It's my shopping car.
It also won't depreciate and the earth's resources to build it were used 60 years ago. Progress eh?
@@richardcarter1000so you can’t afford an EV, why not just admit it.
@@richardcarter1000 In 1963 the Mini was out of my parents price range, as were other new cars. Whilst it might be 'good' to drive a surviving old car, the reality is that of the several million produced there are ony a few hundred original minis remaining. The rest of us need to buy cars produced recently.
What would be the weight penalty if an EV had a grille with mini eind turbines behind it to power things like the phone charger etc?
Also, is there any chance you can get a Fisker Ocean to review?...they intrigue me.
Why bother? There's a 77kWh+ battery that's capable of charging a ~4000Wh phone battery for the entire lifetime of the car without even noticing.
Lovely looking car beautiful inside but range not acceptable
Check out a BMW i4. I’m constantly getting very close to WLTP rated range albeit that is warmer weather
it seems like the manufacturers are wanting EVs to appear better than they really are. If only they would give 'real world driving ' figures instead of plucking them out of thin air. it's just like the petrol cars and MPG figures they all lied about, in the past. And for 75 grand for what seems to be a modest family car, I'd need it to go at least 300 miles on one charge. Air con in a car does use extra fuel, I agree. However the percentage is very minimal in fossil fueled vehicles, but an increase of 40 miles range by turning it off, seems to be excessive., IMHO. Good and honest review thanks Ped. 🙂
What’s ’real world’ driving though 🤔
It’s different for everyone and also the country, road conditions, temperature and driving style add further variations.
The WLTP data isn’t supposed to be a reflection of real world driving range - it’s there to compare range across different cars using a standard repeatable test.
People should educate themselves on what WLTP actually is, rather then complaining about it, when they don’t understand it.
@@SDK2006b I understand perfectly what the WLTP is. but it doesn't reflect what the buyer can expect in terms of range and power consumption in everyday driving.. nowadays FFcars give 2 figures, 1 for Urban driving and 1 for Long distance driving. which give a relatively 'real world' experience of what can be expected from a vehicle. and let's face it, most EVs are for the commute to work and back. urban driving at it's worst with traffic lights and road works, junctions, ad infinitum. which will drain the batteries if not kept charged up regularly. IMHO EVs are still experimental and not a replacement for fossil fuelled vehicles, in terms of range and ease of use, power and longevity. Regularly, when I refill my diesel tank, I get a reading of the expected range of the fuel based on the previous MPG consumption, and this is over 400 miles from 1 refill. sometimes 450 miles. NO EV can give those figures from 1 full charge as yet. In terms of towing capacity, the Lexus is a non-starter at just 750 kg. anything larger than a baggage trailer is out of the question. despite it weighing a huge 2115 kg whereas my my Volvo XC60 weighing in at 1865 kg has a towing capacity of up to 1550 kg. safely (Max 2400 kg on a 2023 model). These are but a few of points I raise in favour of sticking to fossil fuels for a good all round multi-use SUV.
@@BusyElf - my old 2017 5 series diesel used to get ~600 miles to a tank, but I’d still want to stop after 200 miles (3-4 hours) of driving. Now I plug-in whilst I take a break and never need to visit a fuel station. Most times the car is ready before I return to it.
Experiment or not - I couldn’t be happier taking part; cheap, clean, fast and smooth driving ⚡️👍🏻
@@SDK2006b Most of my long journeys are with the caravan in tow as well, so If I had the misfortune to have an EV I'd have to unhitch the caravan, drive the car to the charging point, leave it and the caravan unattended, while I went for the bathroom break, Coffee refill, or whatever you do at these places. hopefully coming back to a full charge and and then driving it back to the caravan and re-hitching it all up again. and driving another 100 miles or less, only to have to repeat it all over again .... Assuming the EV would actually tow the caravan in the first place. The Lexus here, wouldn't even get it off the drive. and would be illegal to get it on the road anyways. I don't even think that on Motorway Service Areas designated as Caravan Areas, there's one single charging point for caravanners with an EV.
@@BusyElf - My BMW iX can tow 2500kg.
But my view on towing caravans around the country - this is not efficient and is very wasteful. The better option would be to use accommodation already at the location you’re visiting.
Yes, I get it that it’s nice to have your very own comfort box to sleep in, but at what financial and environmental cost 😬
EV’s are still some way from practical. That rear seating position with typical EV knees up looks really uncomfortable for any long distance travel and the range (real world) is abysmal for that price point. Great review as always Ped 👍
Interesting test Ped. I'm afraid for me what this car is like is totally irrelevant because the range is so poor. It would be utterly useless on the motorway or autoroute.
It's not made for you
@@neilmick6778 amazingly insightful.
@@johns14alol
I don't think Lexus is serious about selling this car. It's almost as though they offer it to tick a box. Small range big cost. We have the 450h PHEV and a GS, but wouldn't pay £70k+ for 200 miles range, because at that price it's got to be our primary car, not a second car for local trips.
Totally agree that they aren't really serious about selling this. I've just checked the EV Database website and there are many, many good and cheaper EVs. There'll be even more when Nio arrive in the UK next year. But you can buy an electric Mercedes for less than this, a Model Y, several BMWs, Polestars...
I’m sure they are 🤔👍
I may be incorrect, but I believe that Akio Toyoda (Toyota's Chairman) has in the past indicated that EV is not the way to go for planet sustainability, and so despite producing the first hybrids, they have been slow on pure EV development, they do seem to be leading the way on other sustainability approaches (fuel cell for example).
Evening my friend, bring on the Veyron review I say 🙂🙂🤜🤛🤣👍🇬🇧
I am a huge Lexus fan and have had many. Actually still do. However they can’t get their head around EVs. It’s a Toyota problem. The shame is they build great high quality cars but are a long way behind the pack. 😢😢
Great video! I’m more worried about how those seats would be with dog hair, I’m considering trading my Range Rover in. My hubby won’t allow me to get a Tesla as he’s not an Elon Musk fan. I wonder if the over the speed limit and attention beeping can be switched off? That would drive me bonkers also!
As the owner of an MG5 sr that's two and a bit years old and cost me just over 30k, I agree with comments about re-sale value (are all car dealers very greedy??) I was offered 13.5 k in part exchange, I could just see the dealer rubbing his hands in glee as he puts a sticker price of 19 - 21k forecourt price!!!
But I digress.
70k for a car with such a poor range, sub ton top speed, I can't remember if a 0 - 60 time was mentioned, but what ever it was I think that Lexus are just taking the pee or just cannot be bothered or their management thinks we should still be driving ICE cars!! 😢
My MG5 is my only car, long runs, short runs, holidays, it handles all with ease, for those doubters and dinosaurs who trumpet expensive fossil fuel cars do the maths, ie fuel + maintenance + insurance!! My car insurance went DOWN last year, did yours?? 😮
If you drive two hours or a hundred miles the stop for a comfort break recharging is not even on the agenda.
Ped, your reviews are excellent and concise, but honestly would YOU buy an EV with such poor specs??
You didn’t mention whether the car had a heat pump. I would expect it on such a expensive EV and it might help mitigate the loss of range in the winter. I think on many EVs their range is compromised by their weight. The Lexus may sit on a specific EV platform but I suspect it is more an adaption of an ICE platform - hence the lack of frunk. I guess this may have been a bit of a dilemma for Lexus as their buyers would be very reluctant to accept Tesla levels of minimalism. Until battery technology improves it is very difficult to have it both ways.
A foldaway boot cover! How was folding along the width never explored by other manufacturers? V good.
It's certainly a striking looking car and those seats look sooo comfy that you'd want to just cruise for miles and miles..... As long as you could ignore the bongs till the range runs out... Surely as the bettery technology improves the range will improve as well.....??
Hi Ped
Interested as always to see what’s new in the block with EV’s, and whilst I have has a sneaking admiration for the Lexus brand, this does not do it. 75k almost a joke. Rear seat room does not look comfortable, I can imagine complaints from passengers relegated to the rear. Numerous other foibles would have to say a definite NO😥
Dude those nats are just waiting for you to get into the car 😂
The range is show stopper for me. Too bad. Was looking to upgrade my Y version…
On the face of it the latest I-Pace would be better. Would be interesting to see a head to head with the Jag
Probably a car that the wife would be happy with to go shopping in although unashamedly we can't afford it.
Another useful video.
WLTP.... I know the industry uses this standard so that every manufacturer uses the same methods and criteria to show a mileage range so customers can compare different vehicles. But and this is a massive but, as you mentioned, there are no cars that get anywhere near WLTP range so the figures are meaningless and cause a real issue for anyone trying to buy an EV based on range being an important factor.
I can see why manufacturers are not allowed to show what the 'real world' range is as knowing how manufacturers bend the truth, figures would be so varied it would be impossible to know if what they are saying is accurate. Tesla is a perfect example as it's already widely known they show range figures that are exaggerated even using WLTP or EPA criteria.
I think we just have to take the WLTP figure and take about 30/40%?
Anyway, the Lexus, it looks a nice car with a great interior but overall a little disappointing, especially with the cost. it comes across as too complicated and too many driving options with a range that is just disappointing.
I live in the north west my street has no chargers at all, everyone parks on the street. If we all swapped to electric vehicles it would be a nightmare. My nearest slow charger is 4 streets away and there is one charger on that street. With all that in mind when I swapped my car a few months ago I went petrol, I do 40k a year.
Nice 👍 pp it’s a Lexus nine i like them
Hi ped another great video from you real reviews from you are great no fluffy clouds I am not getting the eV vibe to be honest poor range unrealistic quotes on actual real world mileage shame I don't feel even vehicles are the answer ❤
Ive just done 2 weeks of bigger than average daily commute (for 99% most people) of 120 per day. No issues for me on a car that only does 210 miles..... this anxiety that some people have is laughable. Yes SOME (Read very few) thats not enough, but my normal commute of 62 will be a doddle
I also used to do a 100 mile each way commute so 200 miles. That was an absolute pain because I was doing it in our LPG car which has a range of about 240 to 260 miles on LPG. This meant having to fill up every day, what a drag!
In an EV with this range at least it would be ready at home every morning so yes I agree with you there. I lost about an hour of my time a week filling with LPG.
However, this car is based on the BZ4X which initially had a completely broken charging implementation, something like limited to TWO rapid DC charges per day and a weird charging curve that never got to 100%. I think it has changed now but for the times a serious road trip is contemplated, what does the owner do after 400 miles and those two DC fast charges have been used up? Get a hotel and wait until the next day while it slow charges?
It all depends on use but that needs to be understood if it hasn't changed.
I was expecting the price to be about £50k since it looks like a Model 3 competitor, albeit with range between the Model 3 RWD and LR so somewhat under £50k, but it's £75k????? :D :D :D
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I’ve ‘ranted’ about the efficiency of my 2020 Hyundai Ioniq 38kWh on here before, so please don’t ban me, but have we gone backwards in technology rather than forwards ?
It’s double the price and double the battery size, but less range……. and I can have the climate control on.
I think manufacturer’s have a lot work to do ween society off vehicle size and brick shaped and put more emphasis onto efficiency instead.
As for looks, looks a bit cheap for the outside, maybe different in the flesh and the two tone paint looks nasty, inside looks great though.
Another great EV video. Thanks.
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Hi Peds
Hi 👋
Thanks for this one. Definitely a bit marmite. I like the look but the range is an issue as if often the case with EVs. For any EV to be a realistic proposition it needs to do 250 miles in my view
I settled on 200 miles after careful analysis of my driving pattern, together with a willingness to compromise over long journeys and a more restricted budget.
To each their own. I think there are better choices worth more.
Just came here to read the ‘ooooo not enough range’ comments, from the eeejits who do 100 miles a week :D
How dare you! You should know that the UK standard commute is Land's End to John O'Groats, both ways, non stop, towing a caravan and in under 20 hours.
@@djtaylorutube And why can't we expect this from the 'Green Brigade' ? LOL As a Yorkshireman I want value for my money!!
@@BusyElf Yep, my best advice would be to buy a large van with crew compartment. That should cover all use cases.
Looks nice. Good honest review. For the money, not being able to go over 100 miles from home without wasting hours to find a charger and recharge is a nonsense. EVs just not for me.
I think you are out of date on the charging process, the availability of chargers and the speeed of charging.
@@solentbumWe have a Volvo converted to LPG. It was converted before smart phones existed. Finding LPG required a paper map and even then, it never took me hours.
However, if driving around aimlessly expecting to stumble across LPG by the roadside, that would result in misery, which is why I never did that.
One day, conversion at work was about LPG and one chap who commuted laughed and said it would not work for him, no LPG near him.
Next day, I showed him on a map where several options were, they just didn't happen to be on his direct route but down a side street or two.
I feel deja vu.
@@djtaylorutube Of course since then the advent of GPS, smart phones and onboard navigation systems has made finding almost anything easy.
There is a saying about 'leading a horse to water' which seems to apply to many who gainsay EVs.
@@solentbum Yep. There's another interesting parallel from my experience. Any time someone says "yeah but I can fill my tank in 2 minutes and go 400+ miles" (which they usually don't without stopping), I recall when I was doing a 200 mile a day commute with my LPG Volvo. Range of about 240 to 260 miles so that meant that every day, on the way home I would have to take a small detour with one set of traffic lights. Only about 500 metres off route but typically 3 mins. I may have had to queue for up to 5 mins for the pump. Another 4 to 5 mins to pump and then another 2 mins if waiting to pay, then another 2 mins to get back on route. So reality is that's 15 minutes per day.
Over a week that's an hour and 15 minutes extra fuelling time.
With my (apparently) crappy EV, I could start each day, car warmed up and ready to do that journey without charging away from home and since it takes me only 5 seconds to plug in at home, MY time lost is a grand total of less than half a minute in the week.
It's a strange concept that will take time for mindsets to change but petrol refuelling is inconvenience, that's why they focus on range, simply because it's inconvenient to refuel but society resists change and so has accepted inconvenience as acceptable.
However, I don't want to convert anyone, I don't sell to do so. Everyone should choose what works for them.
@@solentbum Not around here. I'm always for everyone having the choice. Some like EVs
I have a kia soul ev. Official range is 280 miles. During the summer i get 320 miles on a full charge. Winter is 270 ish. If you drive any car hard your mpg will suffer and EV's are no different.
Looks like lousy thigh support in the rear, hope the hamstrings hold up Ped…?
I’d buy one when it’s about 5 years old
Good video Pete, but as others have said, this car doesn’t work really. In a family touring wagon like that, a 200 mile range (or less) just isn’t really practical. I do like EVs and currently own a Tesla M3 (which does get around its WLTP range, especially in summer months), which is a fantastic daily. This just doesn’t work for me at all though. If I wanted an SUV EV, it would be a Tesla MY or MX, or something like a BMW iX.
Very true
It all looks a lot like our 11 year old 450 just a bit more modern... No bad thing
Toyota and Lexus make great hybrids .
And like any EV non will become classic cars and most models all look the same inside
Like a lot of cars from Lexus, a lot going on styling wise. For me, too many sharp angles, slashes, creases and folds…and on this one what on earth are those horns where a rear spoiler would usually be found? Plus those black embellishers around the wheel arches look like an afterthought. Not for me but I’m sure the reliability and quality reputation of the brand will convince many.
my model Y reaches its wltp range, AWD 330 miles, 4 miles per kwh. love Lexus reliability and quality, but .... years and years behind Tesla in EV's
Not quite. 4 miles per kWh would mean an 82.5kWh useable battery capacity and that's not the case.
@@djtaylorutube it does 330 miles so more than 4 miles per kWh !!!!
@@relaxnchill9335 The usable capacity of the 82kWh battery is estimated at between 77 to 78kWh.
You would need to be hitting a shade over 4.2 miles per kWh.
To achieve that, you'd need pretty much ideal conditions, hot day, not motorway speeds.
It won't return that in winter. Driving at motorway speeds, even 65mph, the consumption is more like 267Wh per mile which gives the range of smidge over 290 miles.
It's unlikely to drive to 0,% though so useable range is more like 260 to 280 miles.
@@djtaylorutube do you own a Model Y or is that just the calculator talking?
@@relaxnchill9335 I do yes. MY LR.
what's a quid?
Slang for a pound (£) 👍
Have to say I lost interest when you needed to use that Twiglet to prop the bonnet up 🙄
Yep, under the bonnet, full of "we can't be bothered to do a better job of using space".
Eh Pardon £75k ? BMW I4 would be better but I know that is not a SUV
Can't lie, I think it looks horrible.
Thanks for the review Pete, as always quality content.
EVs need to work out how to give the floor-to-seat base height in the back, it may mean a taller roof space, for having knees folded in Z shape is not good really, it is cramping and has no under-thigh support.
At the point where you mentioned the suspension the road you were on is very uneven and in need of resurfacing , so full marks for the car. For my usage, not being a dog owner, my boot space needs to accept a large outboard motor and an inflatable dinghy. The idea of putting the charge leads under the load floor is simply poor design, it means that you will need to unload the boot to access the leads for an overnight stop with a destination charger.
It would be helpful for a mention of Miles per KwH to give some idea of fuel economy. That 'Range' setting shows that Toyota are not yet committed to EVs, on my LEAF the Aircon/Heater is permanently ON, whilst I still get a good range.
Maybe when iam old and retired but not yet 😂
To be honest 'Ped, although you indicated that there was satisfactory room in the rear seating area, I don't think the way you were sitting would be sustainable over a medium-to-long journey. In other words, I observed that your upper legs were in an inclined position that wod not be comfortable over time.
Beautiful motor, spoilt by being an EV. Lexus/Toyota's Hybrids are fantastic, but like with all EV's, just are not good enough to take the reins of the good ol' ICE - in my opinion. I know at least 4 people now who have had EV's and have gone back to ICE or hybrids because of the pitfalls of EV. On of the biggest, being the monumental depreciation in comparison to a more conventional car. Great, honest review!
Fair enough!
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!
Do you remember in the 2000's when no matter what diesel you bought it was "around 50mpg"? It's the same thing all over again
Though at least people are now wise to the truth and with EV are likely to share their true mileage
As I understand it Toyota is also limiting fast charging to only one per day.
Very nice car but I will keep my 2022 Volvo C40 all electric thanks Pete.
I test drove the Subaru EV witch is a Toyota with a Subaru badge. the driver alert beep was very annoying. I couldn't live with that. Being a farmer always looking out the side window in the countryside, and the girls in the towns, I like the regen paddles like my wife's Kona but its not strong enough and no 1 peddle driving. so its a no likey from mee.
This shape of car has a high frontal area and as an electric car, suffers from excessive weight. In other words the dynamic problems of most 4WD cars without the advantage of being able to tow a race car.
Predictably with these disadvantages, the range confines this - as with most EVs - to suburban use. To be fair, much of GB is suburban and in current or future ULEZ zones. In other words, areas where you should be using a bike or public transport.
It would be fair to say that low CDA unimportant for school run, suburban use (say 35 mph average), but this type of "SUV" is frankly dangerous for other road users and pedestrians.
I have a lot of time for Lexus' products but hybrid still makes more sense.
Think I'll get a kia ev6 😅😅😅
I agree, the range is not enough and the cost is ridicules. I’d rather spend £35,000 ish on the new long range MG4 and I will still have a smile on my face from the handling, performance and range.
Thoughts: is this a press car? If so range will be based on recent average miles per kw im sure you're aware. ...... our sales manager said he easily had 250 miles not driving like a twat or Miss daisy?
When I discussed Range with my local Nissan salesman he told me that when he drove 'his' car he averaged 3.9 MKwH. When it was driven by prospecive customers they pushed that down to the low 3s and somtimes under 2 MKwH.
That does have an impact for sure 👍
We're not gong to see 250+ real world miles as the mainstream for large SUVs until the battery tech improves.
Tesla eak out more range due to very efficient motors, advanced battery managements systems/software, and unique chassis construction like no other. Buy they are the only ones designing from the ground-up and MAKING them differently... legacy motor companies are applying the same manufacturing processes that they've used for decades with ICE cars. To them it's a car like any other with batteries and motors where the engine and fuel tank used to be.
The real gain will be when energy density per Kg goes up a gear. Newer batteries are becoming more eco-firnedly, or have 100% charging cyckles, or great life expentancy etc... but no real energy-density increase (sometimes a slight decrease for LFP).
77Kwh battery is about as big as you stuff in without the weight-to-range benefits being totally lost with current batteries. The Jaguar i-pace has a 90kwh battery, and it's one of the least effeicnet EVs on the market in miles/kwh terms, so it's range is mediocre. Conversely the VW e-up has a small 38Kwh battery, but can do 5 miles/kwh easily so 150-180 miles, making it's real-world range similar to 50Kwh EV like the 208/Corsa-e.
I drive a Skoda Enyaq 60Kwh (probably 56Kwh usable) - and the WLTP is 247 miles... so not that far short of the Lexus estimate, and it's much bigger than the RX450e. I get around 200-210 in the summer and 160-180 in winter - with normal driving., non-motorway. I use aircon, heates seats, whatever i need to.... imo those have little effect on range compared to outside temperature, motoroy speeds, and night driving.
There's really only a few ways to get more range from here: less weight, greater battery density, and/or dramatically more efficient motors (but they're already very efficient anyway). We may have to wait for sold-state batteries from the likes of Quantumscape before the next seachange in range. But they've been at it for years and years, and nothing production ready yet.
Another average milk float……..£75k is just daylight robbery.
I like these reviews but the obsession with WLTP is getting a bit much. The manufacturers don’t decide what figure to put out. It’s a standardised test. Real range is influenced by driving style and it takes a while to get a realistic figure. I recently got way over my cars WLTP on a long journey, usually it’s probably about 30 miles less as an average. There isn’t this preoccupation with manufacturers stated consumption figures in ICE cars yet people very rarely get what they state. I’d want to see a long drive from a zeroed trip to see the realistic figures.
But it’s the range that is quoted by all manufacturers. I know it’s based on a standardised set of tests but it does not reflect normal driving 🤷♂️
Yes appreciate that. It’s just the figure that people latch onto so much then you see comments in groups like ‘my car is supposed to do 250 miles and I’m only getting xxx’. Think it’s massively misunderstood and focussed on more than the consumption figures that manufacturers put out for ICE cars, (no criticism of your videos but I can’t remember the last time I saw consumption comparisons mentioned in reviews of ICE cars). I’ve got the Renault Megane Etech and on their website they provide a range calculator to let you put in different variables then it gives approx real world range. Seems pretty accurate and you know what to expect. Great channel by the way!
Three to four years ago you could buy a car with switches on the dash or central console to disable stop/start, lane assist etc. Now the manufactures are burying these in menu systems so if you want to turn these off you have to turn them off in a menu system every time you start to drive the car. Why when cars are costing so much more today, yet they are taking away the control we used to have easy access too. Plus, who the hell asked for these annoying interventional sounds and vibrating controls when the speed limit is exceeded? Quite frankly, I think we should vote with our wallets and not buy such cars until the car manufacturers give us, the drivers, easy access to the controls without having to drill down through menu systems. The very least that could be done is a user selectable setting, like your memory seats and mirror setting, only for the controls you want to have on or have off. This setting should remember your setting for your next journey. Too much in cars now is reliant on computers, meaning this will reduce the life of the car significantly, meaning that many will be in landfill in less than 10 years, which is far from green and saving the planet...
You just described Tesla driver profiles.
Lexus ie Toyta make the most comfortable reliable and cost efficient cars oh and the dealers are fantastic. Look at volkswizards channel about how a Porsche cost him £19k in less than 2 years 😂😂😂😂
Big no! Go for a Polestar 2 long range rwd instead.