The Scotland world cup loss, ireland v all blacks, Warburton's red card etc were all heartbreaking, no doubt... but we can all agree that the real tragedy is the old boy losing his pints at 5:54 . The rugby world will remember ⚰
Irish fan here. That was painful. On the bright side, I continue to have the 2016 Chicago match recorded on my tv. That one I will always remember, 2013 who?
@@sophiekerr8964 what Chicago game? Haha. I agree with the guy above - I don't mind us losing to Ireland all that much, but I can't handle losing to any other nation, especially England or Australia.
As an England fan, I’m very aware of the hate from the other UK teams... However, I was devastated at Warburton’s red, infuriated at Scotland’s penalty and almost cried when NZ beat Ireland.
You're a better than me mate 😂 I'm Irish and I love watching England get beat. The only thing I love more than watching England lose is to see Ireland win. That being said, Jonny Wilkinson is up there with my favourite players ever. That lad was/is an amazing ambassador for the game. Gutted he never really got a standout moment for the British and Irish Lions. In '01 he was probably still a bit inexperienced and then in '05 he was ravaged by injuries. Hell of a player though. I'm 30 and I was lucky enough to watch him in his prime and I wish I'd appreciated it more. He's definitely the best 10 the Northern Hemisphere has ever produced. By a country mile.
@@roryslaine7896 Luke Coyle is correct in what he says. That type of language was used for far too long and we accepted it unquestioningly. It can be rejected by people now if they so wish.
This is the first time I've seen that, but I find it quite amazing (the way rugby is now) to hear them incredulous that a yellow card would even be shown for a Spear tackle. A different time (although in the same era British Lions spectators and press were out for blood at a similar tackle that the All Blacks did)
@@alfiebibby796 You would not have defeated the All Blacks. France were denied to beat them by Joubert. All blacks simply couldn't lose at thome, especially when Australia and South Africa were already at 2 WC
@@ganashal so right. The rules and the referee framework around those kinds of tackles have changed a lot since then. Nowadays that is a red card, black and white, impossible to argue otherwise but at the time that was so controversial.
Wales have been on the end of so many insane/incompetent referee decisions.... The one against Italy is a real horror show. The Canadian being sent off is also completely bonkers.
That deserves a red card. You can't say it's an accident, the guy just intentionally hurt the other player. That can be very dangerous and it's really easy to avoid...
@@mr.meeseeks3074 Would have to disagree with you here! It's the tacklers responsibility to get his head in the right place - as the attacking player you are within your rights to try to bump/fend off any tackles whilst staying on your feet. I totally agree it can be dangerous but pretty much everything in rugby *can* be dangerous. With regards to intentionally hurting the other player... I don't know. I think he's just trying to stay on his feet and get over the gain line as most players would do. Even in a world where he was intentionally battering the opposition that alone isn't really against the rules - I mean, take Courtney Lawes for example - he's made a career out absolutely smashing people. I'm sure he's 'hurt' a lot of players however all within the laws of the game and whilst playing well. Rugby is a physical game! That's part of it's draw, I think. Skill/ambition/physicality - all has to come together.
@@jamesrautha162 mmmmh sorry in my mind I switched the first Welsh clip where the commentators are surprised by the red card and the Canadian one. It is, indeed, quite rough to send off a player for that.
@M'Luds Ladies & Gentlemen here the issue, nowadays sure its a red pretty much every day of the week. I'm not going to argue with that. But in that tournament several challenges like that had gone in and had been deemed just penalties or at worst yellow. You basically had to deliberately drive the guys head into the floor to get a red for a tip tackle at that time. There was so much precedent for what that tackle should have been yet the ref decided to go one step further than anyone would have at the time. Its why the decision was and still is so controversial. You could even argue back in the day they should have all been reds. but the point is they weren't. Tip tackles simply weren't refed that way for Sam to cop a red for what was arguably the least dangerous tip tackle at that world cup (again none of the others were worse than a yellow, most were just penalties) was in my view an awful decision.
@@leighfrench2007 probably not. He was wrong about the time, but more than ten seconds had passed since he said it, and they were still nowhere near ready to make the throw. It takes way longer than ten seconds to set up a lineout, so they shouldn't have gone for it anyway.
@@Jivvi mate watch it at 9:46 ref says “10 seconds now James” and he kicks straight away. In no way was the welsh at fault for that and the ref should have just given the lineout
@@jhnekdn at 9:57, they're just walking around and not even trying to throw a lineout yet. At this point, even if he was right about the time, and even if everyone was ready for the lineout, if the ball hadn't been thrown in yet, that would be full time. Ten seconds was nowhere near enough time. Even if they had twenty, they probably still wouldn't have got the throw off in time, unless everyone _on both teams_ sprinted into position and the ball was thrown in immediately. To be honest, the ref probably said ten seconds because he didn't know exactly how much time they had, but wanted to make it clear that they didn't have enough time for a lineout. They didn't have enough time and he didn't say they did. He didn't even imply it.
@@Jivvi the rule is that the game ends when the ball goes out rather than when it is played back in (eg. If it goes out at 79:59 they can still take the throw in)
I will never forget the relief and happiness I felt when Brian O'Driscoll Intercepted that pass from O'Gara in the semi final of 2009. I was in Croke Park sitting with my mum. She was having a gin and tonic and me a pint of Heineken an we were both having the best day out and I've actually just started to ball crying here.. damn
As a NZ supporter absolutely felt for Ireland in that game, part of me was happy for them when they won in Chicago (not so much the one in Dublin haha). Also that forward pass in QF 2007 WC and that atrocious call from Roman in the last game of the Lions series are things I’ll never get over!
@@piercekelly1506 That was one hell of a series though. Must have brought a lot of kids to the game, which is the whole idea of the Lions' tours of course. Great rugby from both sides.
The ref had no ability to consult the TMO and he made a call based on what he saw in real time, which is quick and dynamic. Just because it didn’t go your way in one moment, don’t blame the ref - that’s the nature of competition. It was a tight game - why must Scotland rely on the ref to bail them out? Arguably, Scotland shouldn’t have been in the Quarters - they almost lost their last pool game and would have done so had the final try not been awarded as it clearly had a knock on by Laidlaw seconds before the score that put them ahead. Fine margins.
Deano Zumrap There’s no relying on the ref to bail them out genius, it’s relying on the ref to officiate the game to an international standard. The fact that the ref literally fled the pitch before shaking hands with the players at the final whistle tells you everything you need to know. He fucked up.
@@Bucketheadhead maybe he fucked up, which is to say he made a mistake. This happens in a dynamic situation. Blame the laws if they are not up to scratch, not the individual. The ref is relied on to officiate the game to the LAWS, not to an arbitrary standard that satisfies the whims of whichever aggrieved nation. What happens if he checks with the TMO, when at the time the laws did not allow him to? Then the Australians would have been the once whingeing about improper application of the laws. Blaming the ref is scapegoating - if you can't win the game without relying on the bounce of the ball or a ref putting his thumb on the scale in your favor, then you're just not good enough.
Deano Zumrap If a mistake by the official is the only reason you lost the match in the final minutes, then you are good enough, and you’ve been robbed.
The Scotland vs Australia QF was the closest I have ever been to tears watching sport. BUT the lineout from Scotland was suicidal. And watching it today is the first time I have seen it since i watched on the telly that day in 2015
I will never forget it because I have always had a soft spot for Japan, and for them to play so so well and utterly dominate arguably the best side in the world at the time, I was jumping for joy
Monte Francis it may have been but in the last minute of a quarter-final in the World Cup and the team your awarding it too can snatch victory at the death you need to tmo that just too big of a call not to check.
That disallowed try for England against new zealand. He was actually offside. The all black player moved his foot so England would be offside. Squidge rugby does a really good explanation on how.
welshboy 146 upon another look I think I’d disagree now. Only because the rule is hindmost foot of your player England didn’t have any players forming a ruck. And if you watch closely it’s whether you think the nz player who moves his leg forward planted it before smith lifted the ball or not. Either way I don’t think it’s obvious
Seeing from a french side two games are missing, 1995 WC semi final versus South Africa a real shame for rugby. And 2011 WC final when Craig Joubert forgot a lot of penalties for us all along the game.
@@kadovax6567 I agree - I blame useless Henry with his arrogance ( Toeava at 2nd five??? - no Aaron Mauger , Chris Jack or Doug Howlett, stupid rest & rotation , stupid attacking lines into man and not gaps - French defense didn't even have to think - Forward passes get missed all the time - But France infringed around the ruck and slowed the ball all the 2nd half with impunity - Yet me banged McCaw in the first few minutes - because he was told he was a cheat - I don't blame Barnes - nice bloke - much better ref later on - I blame those who gave him such a test when so inexperienced
7:25 The referee, Roger Quittenton, has publicly stated penalty was NOT for Haden's jump out of the line but for Geoff Wheel pushing Frank Oliver in the lineout
Well, that 2011 one where South Africa was knocked out by the dodgy officiating (the sheer amount of dodgy calls made in one match made me wonder if the ref wasn't bought or had money on Australia, or even some kind of match fixing situation) was horrible, as they seemed to have peaked for that world cup, and were by all accounts by far the better team on the field. I would have loved to have seen them and the All Blacks square off in the latter stages, as that would have been something to behold, and would have added more value to that world cup from a spectator's perspective.
Crooked Bryce Lawrence was awarded NZ Ref of the Year in 2011 despite his god-awful performance in the RWC2011 QF. Happily, he never reffed another international match after that sh*tshow
Agreed. South Africa beat NZ in a game in PE that year and won their pool. Australia lost to Ireland and didn't have the experience and pack to handle the All Blacks. Glad he was fired the next year but it's always one of the great rugby wc What Ifs.
Rusty Man and the other 26 mistakes the reff made? Or the fact that he kept on missing the Australian players hands in the ruck when they were of their feet? Even the Australian rugby journalists were shocked at the bad decisions. That tells you everything.
@Rusty Man I disagree. By today's standards, if they had gone to the TMO, it would have been allowed. We have seen passes that have travelled further forward that were legitimately found to be acceptable, and some that are not even looked at. In the SA v AB game at RWC 2019, Reece makes a break and passed the ball back inside to A Smith. The ball was caught a good 2-3 metres in front of where it was passed from and it was never referred. Because, even as a SA fan, it was a legitimate pass.
Me too, it took me a while to realise what had happened. I only twigged when it came up on the big screen. I was also at the Wales v Italy game in 2007, remember fuming at the refs call but also with the Welsh performance.
That was the hardest loss I ever had to take as a rugby fan when Habana went over. But the Sharks finally won some silverware a year later by beating the Bulls in the Currie Cup final at the same venue.
As a diehard Wallabies fan, I agree the Scotland game was a poor call sorry dudes! I was also at the Japan vs USA game, one of the few international games played in our rugby town. The crowd was electric and the Eagles fought above their weight class that night. Thanks for including us, brought back a fun memory. Now I must find the full game of some of these other ones :)🎉 🏉 ❤️
I recall a rather shaken White apologising on TV for his clusterf**k after the Wales/Italy game. Much as I hated the incident, we were behind to Italy in the 80th minute after playing like puddings......
I remember watching that Wales game live and I was in disbelief. He clearly asked him if he has time cos it's about to hit 80 and the ref said it was fine. Wild
@@nunyabusinessmate420 that refree is a cheater remeber the British Irish lions against all blacks and lions the kickoff lions were offside he said accidental offside dumb decision
Johan would have played Argentina next as well, who we’ve haven’t lost to is like 6 years, meaning we could well have gone on to the final. 😭 I know the all blacks would have slaughtered us in the final but we never even got the chance 😭
It was not a huge mistake, he made the correct decision based on what he saw from where he saw it. Only when the incident was looked at from other angles did it become clearer that the decision was the wrong one. The error lies with World Rugby for not allowing him to refer the incident to the TMO, not with him for blowing what he saw.
Springboks winning the 1995 world cup and finding out afterwards the ABs were very likely poisoned is something I find hard to get over. There were some great players in that team, especially Lomu, who deserved to lift the trophy. Probably the best AB team ever, except maybe the 2015 winning side.
So many harsh moments that I remember. I know the England offside vs New Zealand was harsh, but it was at least the correct call according to the rules that Eddie Jones had demanded off the RFU a year or two earlier!
Warburton's red difficult to stomach but he did earn it. Tackles the player br driving him up off his feet, over the horizontal to the near vertical and dumps him on his neck.
Tackle like that while an offence was not a red card at that time, and remember that, at that time. There had been other similar tackles during the tournament, many of them worse, that had led to a penalty and at worst a yellow card. For the ref to go straight for a red in those circumstances bearing in mind the rules at the time was pretty outrageous. Would it be a straight red these days? Sure, but not then. And that's the point that needs to be remembered. It's almost as if the referee decided on his own initiative to change the tackle rules without bothering to inform anyone else at all about his decision. Look at the 2019 World Cup in Japan for example. Tackle rules were changed for that but they were announced WELL in advance. Everyone knew what those changes were. In Warburton's case it was one official deciding off his own back to chnage the tackle rules arbitrarily without bothering to inform anyone that he had done so.
Joubert’s mistake , he saw it wrong which I understand but how he ran of the pitch was not right IMO. He now knows his mistake but his actions weren’t the best
@WRU286 No you couldn't. He was not permitted to refer it to the TMO and it is just mindboggling that you don't know this by now. The official World Rugby statement on the incident, included the paragraph, "It is important to clarify that, under the protocols, the referee could not refer to the television match official in this case and therefore had to rely on what he saw in real time. " He was not allowed to use the TMO, he made a decision based on what he saw from where he was standing, and his career ended. I might have bias towards my countryman, but to think that Poite featured twice in this clip, Bryce Lawrence handed NZ the 2011 RWC on a plate and was rewarded with a Referee of the Year award by NZRU at the end of that year, Wayne Barnes was refereeing at the last RWC, yet Joubert made one decision against the shitty Scots and they ended his career. That sounds about fair....
They changed the rule after the RWC 2015 to allow more TMO, hence why you saw it used in the 2017 Lions. When Joubert made the call, he couldn’t use the TMO because it wasn’t a try or foul play moment.
Wales yesterday would fit in a part 2 of this. As an Irishman, I'm over all the bad things that happened in this clip, we finally beat New Zealand. Munster eventually won some H Cups. BO'D got another go in the Lions after his injury, and I hate to day it but Gatland was vindicated for dropping him in 2013. Mad that a former Irish Government minister (Willie O'Dea) was in this clip saying how harsh it was. I have had serious rows with pals about Johnny Sexton missing a kick that would have moved us out of sight in that 2013 game, I won't hear bad words spoken about Sexton. The game that broke my heart, the one that will hurt forever is the 1991 World Cup Quarter Final vs Australia, I cried that day. The fella who had his beers knocked out of his hands, he put a brave face on but I'd be all kinds of upset, forever. Having rewatched it, the ball hit his head and not the beers, my sympathy diminishes,
1:38 - One of the most contreversial decisions back then but now it would be a red card straight away. Rugby has changed a lot over the last 10 years - and that includes the camera quality :)
@@kraaidievoel tell yourself that,clown.You saffers are pig ignorant.You weren't good enough in 2011/15,get over it And that o incl the 2015 NZ/SA game where the frog ref did everything he could to get you over the line.It was the only reason the score was close!
@@richardscanlan3167 considering a country thats being driven into the ground by a destructive government who doesnt even give a damn about its own black brothers and sisters...can still wup the world as we do...speaks volumes of our player quality...plus we lose the majority of our best players who choose to move out the country...and even more great players before they go pro...once people find a way to get out of here most will do so....our biggest export is probably rugby players at this stage...still kickin ass :) Those still here love this land tho and everybody in it...in the words of the great Leo de Cap..IM NOT FUCKIN LEAVIN!
Kieran Read is a genius of the game. I knew right away as he said “No no no” that he was certain the ref made a mistake and rightfully so. rugby rules state, if a player CATCHES the ball in front of play it is an intentional offside. ref was wrong to call it unintentional.
@@DiomaMurphy-Rourke The player was in an offside position and played at the ball. Whether he acted on instinct or not it was an intentional play at the ball.
@@DiomaMurphy-Rourke Who did? no one, because he was wrong. World rugby even said it wasn't the correct call but didn't go any further than that. His inept decision making ruined a great series, Wouldn't of cared who won, at least the walk home wouldn't have been so bloody dull. Everyone in the stadium was deflated.
The ref saying we had time to kick it out and then blowing FT really pissed me off back then and seeing it again now after so many years I am still fuming
What about the ref telling the Springbok captain to speak to his team, then allows a quick tap try from the opposition. Some refs lose their minds in some games.
You forgot one, I’m a Scotland rugby fan and our come back from England has to be rite up there with one of the best moments in Scottish rugby ever. We may not have won that day but that second half performance was just absolutely stunning
There have been far worse decisions than this and it really was not THAT far forward. Sure a TMO would have caught it had they been allowed to refer it to him but I am not sure what kind of Supermen you expect the referees to be - Barnes was a good 10 yards behind the play because of the scrum and the linesman we can see is running full tilt but you expect him to be looking right only? Worse decisions than this have been made, and not all of them against you.
The refs didn't miss it. Barnes over ruled the touch judge report. But it wasn't just that decision. Barnes, usually a good ref, officiated the teams to very different standards that day. Revelling in the victory French media decided to debunk the allegations v Barnes but concluded in the 2nd half alone there were 20+ penalties against France "missed" for a 2 point victory. But the record books will always say "Win France."
After looking at it from every angle possible, I came to the conclusion it looks more as a flat pass than as a forward pass. The actual issue is Barnes did not whistle a single penalty against France for the whole second half of the match. That was the actual shocker.
@@kadovax6567 i think its forward and i try to use the markings on the turf. "Backwards from the hand" while legitimate adds another level of confusion. The week b4 Barnes did ABs v Portugal and was good and has been good since. An off day? I thought someone had got in his ear "the ABs are cheats, the ABs are cheats..." "McCaw is a cheat" was a rugby mantra for yrs.
@@teevo8451 I don't understand why you think it's only a yellow. He landed on his shoulders and head at the same time. All tackles with legs above horizontal with any downward pressure should be a red. The game is dangerous enough without spear tackle's. Their is absolutely no need for them. He had a good grasp of the player and could have pulled him down. Absolutely no need to lift. How many past player's are complaining of or have serious head injuries-too many and if you look at these players game stats and head injury stats you will see the more hits the worse their ongoing symptoms in retirement. I don't care who the team and who the player and have had no issue with any red card for bad tackling/lazy tackling with an irish player so I wouldn't have an issue with any other country
@@ocodeskamcdbsm the point is spears were rarely red carded at the time. Hence the reaction from the commentators. I’ve seen worse which were given only yellows in matches where very little was riding on them. It was a massive call at the time to make in a semi final of a World Cup. Again though, I’m welsh so obviously biased and would agree that without doubt it would be a red now.
Red card for Warburton is not a controversial decision, just English are not used to be with a referee who is fair. French, Argentina and Italy took red card for less of that
Warburton's not English, and while it's not a controversial decision by today's standards, it was very controversial at the time - especially considering Warburton had made two similar tackles in the quarter-final. Furthermore, whether the card itself is controversial is in some ways irrelevant as largely the reason it's difficult for many to get over was that despite having 14 men for the majority of the match, Wales came incredibly close to making it to the final.
Being upset that BOD wasn’t selected for the lions is hugely unfair on the player who did start - Johnathan Davies. Who ended up being one of the best players of the tournament.
I'm Irish. Love BOD and I'm not very fond of Warren Gatland but I agree. At the time I was gutted but Johnathan Davies was definitely the better choice. BOD was in his mid 30s by that stage, and while he was still a legend he was nowhere near the same player as he was in 2001, 2005 or 2009. Davies was in his prime. As much as I love BOD it would have been criminal to select him over Davies. Jamie Roberts and Johnathan Davies were near as perfect a centre partnership as you could want.
Warburtons red card wasn't remotely contraversial, a lack of a red card would have been, that was a pretty easy decision for the ref after seeing the replay. A great shame to lose such a fabulous player so early in a winnable match, but 100% correct ruling.
@@leeofdoom4452 Your comment regarding stupidity is quite remarkable given how ridiculous your own comment is, and the less said about your grammar and spelling the better! Warburton took the player beyond the horizontal, in itself illegal, and the player concerned did not land on his back, he landed on his shoulders and back of the head simultaneously having descended from the illegal tackle far beyond the horizontal. Such actions have rightly been illegal for a long time and an automatic red card under the guidance given to referees back then and still today. So, either you did not witness the original event, you did not fully watch this clip, you do not know the laws of the game or you are a complete and utter idiot. I'm putting my money on all four, but the last one is a certainty!
Yeah that's correct. Which is why the commentators were so shocked it was a red and not a yellow. And we lost by such a small margin. If we hadn't lost Warburton I think we would have won.@@leeofdoom4452
Did you not hear the commentary? They were talking about a yellow being harsh let alone a red. By todays standards it would be a red but this was in 2011. I watched this game live and my thoughts were that a yellow was fair since it was definitely dangerous but not cynical. Made the rest of the game a bit of a farce since that call became the big talking point rather than the actual match
@@oliverjenner9251 I did hear the commentary on this clip and I was at the game about 20 metres from where it happened. Always a red card cynical or not long before 2011 - check the laws of the game! The commentators were being utterly biased and not seeing it for what it was, life-threateningly dangers. Warburton is a top bloke and a great player in his day, but the laws are there for everyone!
Warburton's tackle was deffo a red, the scottish penalty was 50/50, but definitely needed to go tmo. That French try should have been chalked off for the forward pass.
What about the first French championship win from Clermont in 2010 after 10 lost finals and the three last in 2009, 2008 and 2007. That was 100 years that Clermont wait for it !
- Lawes was offside. Just. - It wasnt the Haden thing that was penalised. I was right above it. - The worst thing about the Lions Owens offside thing was that Kieran Reid had been 2 metres offside at the kickoff so the Owens thing shouldnt have mattered.
14: Just for the record, Haden's dive from the line out didn't influence the referee's call. He penalised Geoff Wheel for jumping off Oliver at the front of the lineout.
The 29 time non-decision of joubert against NZ versus France in 2011 Final is the worst injustice in rugby history (not because one time missed but because 29 time missed and 19 faults was not signaled against NZ during the second half. And it's not inside this movie.
You know we don't actually care about union in Australia, right? Most people over here don't even know what super rugby is, but everyone knows what NRL is. Keep the Bledisloe forever, we don't care bro.
Have a good Kiwi friend who for years kept getting angry at me and ranting about 'the French forward pass' and so now I finally get to see it. I will never admit it to him as it winds him up even more when I say 'is only a game, mate' but yeesh, that really was beyond blatant.
When NZ managed to beat Ireland, videos never include the conversation being taken twice. Cruden missed the first shot, and Ireland charged it down. Nigel Owen's said Ireland ran early (or something) and let Cruden take it again, this time the Irish team couldn't charge. As an Irishman, I'm still very, VERY sore from that game. Edit: Cruden not Carter
Ye they never include it being taken twice cuz its pretty useless lol it was clearly an early charge down and Nigel owens was well within his rights to let them retake the kick ireland were the masters of their own downfall that night
@@boom4301 that's all besides the point. It's about shock factor. For a split second, the Irish team and fans thought Ireland had held out. But they dint.
He lifted the legs yes, the hips went above the torso, JUST, but he dropped him on his back and not neck or head. Plus Clerc is a pissant so there is argument that there was never intention to lift him dangerously, he is 5 stone lighter than warburton. And Clerc came off the tackle ok which is another indication to the severity of the tackle. Yellow card would have been fair enough but red, way way too harsh, especially at the beginning of a world cup semi final that Wales would have won if they had 15 men on the ground. Thats why its controversial.
No love for the Aussies,but the whinging over the Scotland game was hilarious.As soon as it happens to a northern team,the bleating reaches epic proportions.
@@Trajan2401 You mean that a series of one sided wrong decisions by a referee during a World Cup final, giving New Zealand the title by one point, is nothing compared to one forward pass leading to a try in a quarter final, giving the win for France, that was eliminated in the semi final ?
Number 3. I was driving home from a weekend away listening on the radio. Nearly binned the deliberately out of utter contempt for that referee. Absolutely shocking decision.
@@bigkiwial You clearly don't know what you're talking about. O'Driscoll was spear-tackled, which is now punished with an instant red card. You're arguing that the entire sport has it wrong.
@@InshushaGroupie no its just a wild exaggeration to call it the most disgusting thing ever on a playing field, you clearly haven't watched much sports if that's what you think.
@@V8ToYy I've watched plenty. Lifting someone, tipping them over and driving them into the ground shoulder first is an appalling thing to do. You don't know what you're talking about.
That 2011 rwc match against Australia still gives me heartache. The boks dominated their pool and in my opinion were on their way to our 3rd RWC. I will never forget how angry I was when I watched that blatant display of biased refereeing. Was a shocking sight
@@Karma-qt4ji ha,you shouldn't have even been in the final in 1995. Abdel Bennazi scored the winning try that would have knocked you out of the WC.Dodgy.....seriosly dodgy.
@@richardscanlan3167 According to the referee on the day, he didn't. Same as Reuben Kruger did not score a try against the All Blacks in the final. Maybe if we had had the TMO back then it would have been different, but even then, by today's standards, the on field decision would have been vitally important in both cases, so what makes you think you know better than Derek Bevan? At least he was a good referee, unlike the one who "controlled" the game we were discussing here... No, buddy, seriously dodgy is when your referee gets rid of the only real opposition for you so you give him the referee of the year award. You can be a cunt if you want and point as many fingers as you like at South Africa, but never forget that the All Blacks' shit also stinks.
@@Karma-qt4ji blah,blah,blah.You lost in 2011 fair and square.Ibwatched it with friends,and we were laughing at how inept SA were.Aus didn't win it,SA lost it,due to their inability to put away an average aussie team.What does that say about your precious boks? As to Bevan - a good ref? Yeah,Luyt and all the saffa fanbois thought so. So you were our only opposition in 2011.Your team was a joke,you were no threat to us.And if you want to play the 2011 card,I give you 2007,when NZ was taken out by Barnes to gift SA the cup. But,ofc,that was different,right?
@@cianw2942 BS??? Would love to see your team selections... That centre pairing was amazing in that last game. Nobody deserves a spot because of what they've done in the past.
Me : Can someone explain to me why the commentators are so incredulous about the Sam Warburton Red card? That is CLEARLY DANGEROUS PLAY. He endangered not only a fellow professional but another human being health and life.
He lifted the legs yes, the hips went above the torso, JUST, but he dropped him on his back and not neck or head. Plus Clerc is a pissant so there is argument that there was never intention to lift him dangerously, he is 5 stone lighter than warburton. And Clerc came off the tackle ok which is another indication to the severity of the tackle. Yellow card would have been fair enough but red, way way too harsh, especially at the beginning of a world cup semi final that Wales would have won if they had 15 men on the ground. Thats why its controversial.
@@stone686970 so it is the victim of a dangerous reckless tackles'fault for begin on the pitch five stone lighter coming off the tackle and Wales would have won with 15 players? Plus he is not that sort of player excuse even though you admit he did it. Excuses are why we have such a feckless society and covid is is running rampant throughout the world
@@MrAllenm94 Ok mate, i don't think your issue is just with the tackle haha. I don't 100% understand what you are saying but yes i do admit he made the tackle and that it is worth a yellow card, however rugby is a contact sport and if you run onto the park you take some responsibility for putting yourself at risk of being harmed. I'm giving you some perspective as to why it is a controversial decision. And by the way, seeing as you've decided to squeeze that last comment into your reply, if you think that we have such a reckless modern society, i'd suggest learning an inkling of human history.
@@stone686970 Clerc landed on head and neck so red with no discussion. This was a new rule for this RWC but other ref. were only giving yellow. Sam should have followed Clerc in the fall, not let him drop. The commentators afterwards said this was a strict observance of the law. As a side note, this red card did not help the Ftench to say the least, because they were so scared of loosing against a 14 men side they played like s***.
Les anglo-saxons préfèrent mettre le rouge mérité de Warburton en demi 2011... et l’en-avant (véritable celui-là) en 2007 contre les blacks... des sacrés farceurs 😉
The fact that Bryce Laurence not only screwed South Africa, but was awarded referee of the year was just an extra punch in the face. You lot have no idea how much we still despise that man.
I have a pretty good idea, similar feelings about Wayne Barnes starting in the 2007 QF and have never gone away. Actually got worse from the recent NZ v Ireland QF
1:01 I cannot believe that the welsh were saying that a yellow card is "harsh" for such a tackle. The referee just applied the rules with the red card.... Clearly biaised. And not a controversial decision AT ALL!!
The fact that he didn’t even go to the TMO, back when the rules weren’t that strict back in 2011, in a World Cup Semi final was crazy. For a decision as big as that which the ref knows that’ll change the game, he had to go upstairs. It was a yellow card at the most.
@@ifanroberts-jones8668 Sorry but I do not understand people who talk about "decision that changes the game". It is not his tackle, he only applies the rule. If the welsh did not want to be red carded, he should not have tackled like that
I think Warburtons red card paved the way for referees to be more confident is using the letter of the law. While no doubt heartbreaking if you go by the book it was a clear red. Above the horizontal and dropped, balls of steel from Roland if you ask me
History shows the penalty was for an infringement near the front of the line out, not at Hayden’s place. It was a shameful dive but wasn’t what the ref based the penalty on.
@@garthleckey9797 "The infringement at the front" was yet another Black diving. Obviously a discussed ploy to secure a penalty in the dying minutes. Great Welsh team robbed of a deserved victory by win-at-all-cost cheats.
@@richardscanlan3167 The issue is cheating, not "greatness". They felt they had to cheat to win.... it was a predetermined call. No one condones diving ....do they? .
The Scotland world cup loss, ireland v all blacks, Warburton's red card etc were all heartbreaking, no doubt... but we can all agree that the real tragedy is the old boy losing his pints at 5:54 . The rugby world will remember ⚰
Rip to the 🍺🍺
@@chewieire8646 I thou6he meant the next one lol
All blacks r the best
Heartbreaking mate. I won't ever get over that one.
Warburton deserved it
That Canada sending off is the most bizarre thing I have ever seen.
@leftfoot what do you think that Canadian should do? Present his stomach and chest to the bloke?
You've got to be kidding me.
I didn’t see the problem and I support Scotland so.
leftfoot It was simply a very poor tackle from the Scottish player, didn’t lead with the shoulder and had his head too high
leftfoot You’re trolling surely?
@leftfoot you need to get your eyes checked. That was clean. Bullshit call.
I was at that Ireland - New Zealand game in 2013 and I honestly nearly cried at the final whistle.
Your lads have got us a couple of times since then, never had a problem with losing to Ireland 👍
Me too. To this day I still can’t watch it
Irish fan here. That was painful. On the bright side, I continue to have the 2016 Chicago match recorded on my tv. That one I will always remember, 2013 who?
@@sophiekerr8964 what Chicago game? Haha. I agree with the guy above - I don't mind us losing to Ireland all that much, but I can't handle losing to any other nation, especially England or Australia.
God watching it there why the hell did Bowe join the ruck directly before the try
As an England fan, I’m very aware of the hate from the other UK teams... However, I was devastated at Warburton’s red, infuriated at Scotland’s penalty and almost cried when NZ beat Ireland.
You're a better than me mate 😂 I'm Irish and I love watching England get beat. The only thing I love more than watching England lose is to see Ireland win. That being said, Jonny Wilkinson is up there with my favourite players ever. That lad was/is an amazing ambassador for the game. Gutted he never really got a standout moment for the British and Irish Lions. In '01 he was probably still a bit inexperienced and then in '05 he was ravaged by injuries. Hell of a player though. I'm 30 and I was lucky enough to watch him in his prime and I wish I'd appreciated it more. He's definitely the best 10 the Northern Hemisphere has ever produced. By a country mile.
Ireland isnt part of the UK
@@BigBog247 You know what he meant lmao. Don't be a gobshite.
@@roryslaine7896 Luke Coyle is correct in what he says. That type of language was used for far too long and we accepted it unquestioningly. It can be rejected by people now if they so wish.
@@mindthatmatters8808 What language? What are you talking about?
"Wait a minute, is it a red card?" I got goosebumps hearing those words again. My heart broke standing in the Millenium Stadium watching that.
being welsh makes it all the worse just rewatching it
We would have won the wc as well
This is the first time I've seen that, but I find it quite amazing (the way rugby is now) to hear them incredulous that a yellow card would even be shown for a Spear tackle. A different time (although in the same era British Lions spectators and press were out for blood at a similar tackle that the All Blacks did)
@@alfiebibby796 You would not have defeated the All Blacks. France were denied to beat them by Joubert. All blacks simply couldn't lose at thome, especially when Australia and South Africa were already at 2 WC
@@ganashal so right. The rules and the referee framework around those kinds of tackles have changed a lot since then. Nowadays that is a red card, black and white, impossible to argue otherwise but at the time that was so controversial.
A dangerous spear tackle IS a red card.
Wales have been on the end of so many insane/incompetent referee decisions.... The one against Italy is a real horror show. The Canadian being sent off is also completely bonkers.
That deserves a red card. You can't say it's an accident, the guy just intentionally hurt the other player. That can be very dangerous and it's really easy to avoid...
@@mr.meeseeks3074 Would have to disagree with you here! It's the tacklers responsibility to get his head in the right place - as the attacking player you are within your rights to try to bump/fend off any tackles whilst staying on your feet. I totally agree it can be dangerous but pretty much everything in rugby *can* be dangerous. With regards to intentionally hurting the other player... I don't know. I think he's just trying to stay on his feet and get over the gain line as most players would do. Even in a world where he was intentionally battering the opposition that alone isn't really against the rules - I mean, take Courtney Lawes for example - he's made a career out absolutely smashing people. I'm sure he's 'hurt' a lot of players however all within the laws of the game and whilst playing well. Rugby is a physical game! That's part of it's draw, I think. Skill/ambition/physicality - all has to come together.
@@jamesrautha162 mmmmh sorry in my mind I switched the first Welsh clip where the commentators are surprised by the red card and the Canadian one.
It is, indeed, quite rough to send off a player for that.
Don't forget about South Africa
@M'Luds Ladies & Gentlemen here the issue, nowadays sure its a red pretty much every day of the week. I'm not going to argue with that. But in that tournament several challenges like that had gone in and had been deemed just penalties or at worst yellow. You basically had to deliberately drive the guys head into the floor to get a red for a tip tackle at that time. There was so much precedent for what that tackle should have been yet the ref decided to go one step further than anyone would have at the time. Its why the decision was and still is so controversial. You could even argue back in the day they should have all been reds. but the point is they weren't. Tip tackles simply weren't refed that way for Sam to cop a red for what was arguably the least dangerous tip tackle at that world cup (again none of the others were worse than a yellow, most were just penalties) was in my view an awful decision.
“Moments we will never forget” man loses his beer 😂
I was at that game it was so funny eveyone saw it
Had to be Quins...
'You've got ten seconds'
Two seconds later ball is out of play.
'Time!' blows whistle, goes for shower.
@@leighfrench2007 probably not. He was wrong about the time, but more than ten seconds had passed since he said it, and they were still nowhere near ready to make the throw. It takes way longer than ten seconds to set up a lineout, so they shouldn't have gone for it anyway.
@@Jivvi mate watch it at 9:46 ref says “10 seconds now James” and he kicks straight away. In no way was the welsh at fault for that and the ref should have just given the lineout
@@jhnekdn at 9:57, they're just walking around and not even trying to throw a lineout yet. At this point, even if he was right about the time, and even if everyone was ready for the lineout, if the ball hadn't been thrown in yet, that would be full time. Ten seconds was nowhere near enough time. Even if they had twenty, they probably still wouldn't have got the throw off in time, unless everyone _on both teams_ sprinted into position and the ball was thrown in immediately.
To be honest, the ref probably said ten seconds because he didn't know exactly how much time they had, but wanted to make it clear that they didn't have enough time for a lineout. They didn't have enough time and he didn't say they did. He didn't even imply it.
@@Jivvi the rule is that the game ends when the ball goes out rather than when it is played back in (eg. If it goes out at 79:59 they can still take the throw in)
@@Jivvi also he specifically says "yes, if you do it now"
I will never forget the relief and happiness I felt when Brian O'Driscoll Intercepted that pass from O'Gara in the semi final of 2009. I was in Croke Park sitting with my mum. She was having a gin and tonic and me a pint of Heineken an we were both having the best day out and I've actually just started to ball crying here.. damn
As a NZ supporter absolutely felt for Ireland in that game, part of me was happy for them when they won in Chicago (not so much the one in Dublin haha). Also that forward pass in QF 2007 WC and that atrocious call from Roman in the last game of the Lions series are things I’ll never get over!
Yep Romain made a bad call ... Kieran was rightly pi88ed off ...
@@piercekelly1506 That was one hell of a series though. Must have brought a lot of kids to the game, which is the whole idea of the Lions' tours of course. Great rugby from both sides.
@Football Fan GGMU what are you talking about?
I was virtually in tears when that stupid ref made that rash penalty against Scotland.
I'm still pissed till this day.
The ref had no ability to consult the TMO and he made a call based on what he saw in real time, which is quick and dynamic. Just because it didn’t go your way in one moment, don’t blame the ref - that’s the nature of competition. It was a tight game - why must Scotland rely on the ref to bail them out? Arguably, Scotland shouldn’t have been in the Quarters - they almost lost their last pool game and would have done so had the final try not been awarded as it clearly had a knock on by Laidlaw seconds before the score that put them ahead. Fine margins.
Deano Zumrap There’s no relying on the ref to bail them out genius, it’s relying on the ref to officiate the game to an international standard. The fact that the ref literally fled the pitch before shaking hands with the players at the final whistle tells you everything you need to know. He fucked up.
@@Bucketheadhead maybe he fucked up, which is to say he made a mistake. This happens in a dynamic situation. Blame the laws if they are not up to scratch, not the individual. The ref is relied on to officiate the game to the LAWS, not to an arbitrary standard that satisfies the whims of whichever aggrieved nation. What happens if he checks with the TMO, when at the time the laws did not allow him to? Then the Australians would have been the once whingeing about improper application of the laws. Blaming the ref is scapegoating - if you can't win the game without relying on the bounce of the ball or a ref putting his thumb on the scale in your favor, then you're just not good enough.
Deano Zumrap If a mistake by the official is the only reason you lost the match in the final minutes, then you are good enough, and you’ve been robbed.
I will never get over that spectator losing his beer 😔 hope he is okay
The Scotland vs Australia QF was the closest I have ever been to tears watching sport. BUT the lineout from Scotland was suicidal. And watching it today is the first time I have seen it since i watched on the telly that day in 2015
What about the "go and talk to your team" try by Ireland against the Boks
It's only fitting you add the ending of Japan vs. South Africa RWC 2015. THAT moment broke half of my friend's hearts.
I will never forget it because I have always had a soft spot for Japan, and for them to play so so well and utterly dominate arguably the best side in the world at the time, I was jumping for joy
That Quarter Final with Scotland Vs Australia pains me and I'm English
How do u think I feel I'm Scottish
Believe me us Scots still remember this moment to this day
It was a quarter tho wasn’t it?
I think it was the right decision?
Monte Francis it may have been but in the last minute of a quarter-final in the World Cup and the team your awarding it too can snatch victory at the death you need to tmo that just too big of a call not to check.
That disallowed try for England against new zealand. He was actually offside. The all black player moved his foot so England would be offside. Squidge rugby does a really good explanation on how.
I mean its blatantly obvious. Not behind the hindmost foot therefore he is offside. The rest of his team is even back onside
I cam to the comments to find see if anyone else commented on how blatantly offside he was. I don't understand why that clip makes it into the vid?
welshboy 146 upon another look I think I’d disagree now. Only because the rule is hindmost foot of your player England didn’t have any players forming a ruck. And if you watch closely it’s whether you think the nz player who moves his leg forward planted it before smith lifted the ball or not. Either way I don’t think it’s obvious
@ed marks I was about to say the same thing.
@@joshc941 I think it’s because it shows a flanker tearing one of the worlds best players inside out
Seeing from a french side two games are missing, 1995 WC semi final versus South Africa a real shame for rugby. And 2011 WC final when Craig Joubert forgot a lot of penalties for us all along the game.
You lost that 1995 game quite convincingly... time to move on
@@TheTherealbadboy Even François Pienaar agreed France should win
@@TheTherealbadboy convincingly with 3 tries wrongly refused, well there was no TMO at that time. And the final... we can forgive and not forget 😉
Maybe that makes up for the penalties against France forgotten by Barnes in 2007 😉
@@kadovax6567 I agree - I blame useless Henry with his arrogance ( Toeava at 2nd five??? - no Aaron Mauger , Chris Jack or Doug Howlett, stupid rest & rotation , stupid attacking lines into man and not gaps - French defense didn't even have to think - Forward passes get missed all the time - But France infringed around the ruck and slowed the ball all the 2nd half with impunity - Yet me banged McCaw in the first few minutes - because he was told he was a cheat - I don't blame Barnes - nice bloke - much better ref later on - I blame those who gave him such a test when so inexperienced
7:25 The referee, Roger Quittenton, has publicly stated penalty was NOT for Haden's jump out of the line but for Geoff Wheel pushing Frank Oliver in the lineout
Well, that 2011 one where South Africa was knocked out by the dodgy officiating (the sheer amount of dodgy calls made in one match made me wonder if the ref wasn't bought or had money on Australia, or even some kind of match fixing situation) was horrible, as they seemed to have peaked for that world cup, and were by all accounts by far the better team on the field. I would have loved to have seen them and the All Blacks square off in the latter stages, as that would have been something to behold, and would have added more value to that world cup from a spectator's perspective.
Crooked Bryce Lawrence was awarded NZ Ref of the Year in 2011 despite his god-awful performance in the RWC2011 QF. Happily, he never reffed another international match after that sh*tshow
I nearly had to buy a new TV after that game
Agreed. South Africa beat NZ in a game in PE that year and won their pool. Australia lost to Ireland and didn't have the experience and pack to handle the All Blacks. Glad he was fired the next year but it's always one of the great rugby wc What Ifs.
Rusty Man and the other 26 mistakes the reff made? Or the fact that he kept on missing the Australian players hands in the ruck when they were of their feet?
Even the Australian rugby journalists were shocked at the bad decisions. That tells you everything.
@Rusty Man I disagree. By today's standards, if they had gone to the TMO, it would have been allowed. We have seen passes that have travelled further forward that were legitimately found to be acceptable, and some that are not even looked at. In the SA v AB game at RWC 2019, Reece makes a break and passed the ball back inside to A Smith. The ball was caught a good 2-3 metres in front of where it was passed from and it was never referred. Because, even as a SA fan, it was a legitimate pass.
I was at both the Wales v France semi at Eden Park and at the Millennium Stadium for the Blues vs Leicester. It's been hard being a Welsh rugby fan XD
Nugget of all people
Me too, it took me a while to realise what had happened. I only twigged when it came up on the big screen. I was also at the Wales v Italy game in 2007, remember fuming at the refs call but also with the Welsh performance.
That was the hardest loss I ever had to take as a rugby fan when Habana went over. But the Sharks finally won some silverware a year later by beating the Bulls in the Currie Cup final at the same venue.
Lol...sorry boet...I was on the other side that day...one of my most memorable rugby moments ever...must have been brutal for the Sharks fans...
As good as that Currie Cup final win was, it will never take the pain away of that Super Rugby final. I am still mad about it 😂
That scotland vs australia one hurt
My father shouted. He was about to break the TV
As a diehard Wallabies fan, I agree the Scotland game was a poor call sorry dudes!
I was also at the Japan vs USA game, one of the few international games played in our rugby town. The crowd was electric and the Eagles fought above their weight class that night. Thanks for including us, brought back a fun memory.
Now I must find the full game of some of these other ones :)🎉 🏉 ❤️
I recall a rather shaken White apologising on TV for his clusterf**k after the Wales/Italy game. Much as I hated the incident, we were behind to Italy in the 80th minute after playing like puddings......
I literally cried after that Scotland Australia game
I remember watching that Wales game live and I was in disbelief. He clearly asked him if he has time cos it's about to hit 80 and the ref said it was fine. Wild
Oh and Bismarcks tackle. To get a yellow for something so beautiful.
I remember watching that game on TV and my dad, who is an All Blacks supporter, was fuming at that stupid of a decision
Every kiwi agrees it was a beautiful tackle.
As does anyone who plays/understands footy
@@huepix no it was a Brilliant tackle
@@nunyabusinessmate420 that refree is a cheater remeber the British Irish lions against all blacks and lions the kickoff lions were offside he said accidental offside dumb decision
@@noclue6554 ridiculous decision that was
That Scotland Australia game still pains me to this day
This decision of joubert against scotland is a huge mistake...
And I'm not scottish...
@@Kiruthmania Joubert is a shame to rugby arbitration.
Johan would have played Argentina next as well, who we’ve haven’t lost to is like 6 years, meaning we could well have gone on to the final. 😭 I know the all blacks would have slaughtered us in the final but we never even got the chance 😭
@@NoirOrchestre Rugby WC final between France and NZ as well
It was not a huge mistake, he made the correct decision based on what he saw from where he saw it. Only when the incident was looked at from other angles did it become clearer that the decision was the wrong one. The error lies with World Rugby for not allowing him to refer the incident to the TMO, not with him for blowing what he saw.
Springboks winning the 1995 world cup and finding out afterwards the ABs were very likely poisoned is something I find hard to get over. There were some great players in that team, especially Lomu, who deserved to lift the trophy. Probably the best AB team ever, except maybe the 2015 winning side.
So many harsh moments that I remember. I know the England offside vs New Zealand was harsh, but it was at least the correct call according to the rules that Eddie Jones had demanded off the RFU a year or two earlier!
It was the right call for sure, just tragic that Azog Underhill had such a great try (I believe it would have been his first for England?) disallowed
Warburton's red difficult to stomach but he did earn it. Tackles the player br driving him up off his feet, over the horizontal to the near vertical and dumps him on his neck.
Tackle like that while an offence was not a red card at that time, and remember that, at that time. There had been other similar tackles during the tournament, many of them worse, that had led to a penalty and at worst a yellow card. For the ref to go straight for a red in those circumstances bearing in mind the rules at the time was pretty outrageous.
Would it be a straight red these days? Sure, but not then. And that's the point that needs to be remembered. It's almost as if the referee decided on his own initiative to change the tackle rules without bothering to inform anyone else at all about his decision. Look at the 2019 World Cup in Japan for example. Tackle rules were changed for that but they were announced WELL in advance. Everyone knew what those changes were. In Warburton's case it was one official deciding off his own back to chnage the tackle rules arbitrarily without bothering to inform anyone that he had done so.
Yep, he cost us a world cup final. Twat.
Joubert’s mistake , he saw it wrong which I understand but how he ran of the pitch was not right IMO. He now knows his mistake but his actions weren’t the best
Findlay McNaughton I think back then you couldn’t go to TMO for certain things
Bermanator Turkey it’s only five years ago u can literally go to the tmo for anything u want
@WRU286 No you couldn't. He was not permitted to refer it to the TMO and it is just mindboggling that you don't know this by now. The official World Rugby statement on the incident, included the paragraph,
"It is important to clarify that, under the protocols, the referee could not refer to the television match official in this case and therefore had to rely on what he saw in real time. "
He was not allowed to use the TMO, he made a decision based on what he saw from where he was standing, and his career ended. I might have bias towards my countryman, but to think that Poite featured twice in this clip, Bryce Lawrence handed NZ the 2011 RWC on a plate and was rewarded with a Referee of the Year award by NZRU at the end of that year, Wayne Barnes was refereeing at the last RWC, yet Joubert made one decision against the shitty Scots and they ended his career. That sounds about fair....
@@findlaymcnaughton4427 Weren't allowed to. Confirmed by World Rugby later that same week. What planet have you been living on????
They changed the rule after the RWC 2015 to allow more TMO, hence why you saw it used in the 2017 Lions. When Joubert made the call, he couldn’t use the TMO because it wasn’t a try or foul play moment.
Wales yesterday would fit in a part 2 of this.
As an Irishman, I'm over all the bad things that happened in this clip, we finally beat New Zealand. Munster eventually won some H Cups. BO'D got another go in the Lions after his injury, and I hate to day it but Gatland was vindicated for dropping him in 2013. Mad that a former Irish Government minister (Willie O'Dea) was in this clip saying how harsh it was. I have had serious rows with pals about Johnny Sexton missing a kick that would have moved us out of sight in that 2013 game, I won't hear bad words spoken about Sexton. The game that broke my heart, the one that will hurt forever is the 1991 World Cup Quarter Final vs Australia, I cried that day.
The fella who had his beers knocked out of his hands, he put a brave face on but I'd be all kinds of upset, forever. Having rewatched it, the ball hit his head and not the beers, my sympathy diminishes,
1:38 - One of the most contreversial decisions back then but now it would be a red card straight away. Rugby has changed a lot over the last 10 years - and that includes the camera quality :)
Every year, on the 9th of October, I burn an effigy of Bryce Lawrence. #NeverForget
Hahahahahaha I wish I could add more than one like to this comment.
A saffa whinging about a ref.Hilarious,considering your history.I give you one example - Gert Bezedinhout.Now,there was a cheat!
If that sleg poes of a Bryce not took us out of the RWC NZ would still only have had one win...!the one in 1987🤣🤣🤣
@@kraaidievoel tell yourself that,clown.You saffers are pig ignorant.You weren't good enough in 2011/15,get over it
And that o incl the 2015 NZ/SA game where the frog ref did everything he could to get you over the line.It was the only reason the score was close!
@@richardscanlan3167 considering a country thats being driven into the ground by a destructive government who doesnt even give a damn about its own black brothers and sisters...can still wup the world as we do...speaks volumes of our player quality...plus we lose the majority of our best players who choose to move out the country...and even more great players before they go pro...once people find a way to get out of here most will do so....our biggest export is probably rugby players at this stage...still kickin ass :) Those still here love this land tho and everybody in it...in the words of the great Leo de Cap..IM NOT FUCKIN LEAVIN!
As a Welsh, Cardiff fan I feel heavily targeted ahaha
Even after winning 2 European cups Neil backs hand is still so painful
As a Sharks fan, that Habana try still breaks my heart
Kieran Read is a genius of the game. I knew right away as he said “No no no” that he was certain the ref made a mistake and rightfully so. rugby rules state, if a player CATCHES the ball in front of play it is an intentional offside. ref was wrong to call it unintentional.
Nope they explained how the ref was right later on
@@DiomaMurphy-Rourke what was the explanation?
@@DiomaMurphy-Rourke no the ref is wrong per the rules
@@DiomaMurphy-Rourke The player was in an offside position and played at the ball. Whether he acted on instinct or not it was an intentional play at the ball.
@@DiomaMurphy-Rourke Who did? no one, because he was wrong. World rugby even said it wasn't the correct call but didn't go any further than that. His inept decision making ruined a great series, Wouldn't of cared who won, at least the walk home wouldn't have been so bloody dull. Everyone in the stadium was deflated.
The ref saying we had time to kick it out and then blowing FT really pissed me off back then and seeing it again now after so many years I am still fuming
What about the ref telling the Springbok captain to speak to his team, then allows a quick tap try from the opposition. Some refs lose their minds in some games.
You forgot one, I’m a Scotland rugby fan and our come back from England has to be rite up there with one of the best moments in Scottish rugby ever. We may not have won that day but that second half performance was just absolutely stunning
I'd forgotten just how forward the pass was in 07 from the French. How all the Refs missed that is amazing.
There have been far worse decisions than this and it really was not THAT far forward. Sure a TMO would have caught it had they been allowed to refer it to him but I am not sure what kind of Supermen you expect the referees to be - Barnes was a good 10 yards behind the play because of the scrum and the linesman we can see is running full tilt but you expect him to be looking right only? Worse decisions than this have been made, and not all of them against you.
The refs didn't miss it. Barnes over ruled the touch judge report. But it wasn't just that decision. Barnes, usually a good ref, officiated the teams to very different standards that day. Revelling in the victory French media decided to debunk the allegations v Barnes but concluded in the 2nd half alone there were 20+ penalties against France "missed" for a 2 point victory. But the record books will always say "Win France."
After looking at it from every angle possible, I came to the conclusion it looks more as a flat pass than as a forward pass. The actual issue is Barnes did not whistle a single penalty against France for the whole second half of the match. That was the actual shocker.
@@kadovax6567 i think its forward and i try to use the markings on the turf. "Backwards from the hand" while legitimate adds another level of confusion. The week b4 Barnes did ABs v Portugal and was good and has been good since. An off day? I thought someone had got in his ear "the ABs are cheats, the ABs are cheats..." "McCaw is a cheat" was a rugby mantra for yrs.
@@kadovax6567 Jesus! a flat pass, would hate to see your level when building a house.....
Spectator loses his beer was the worst
dont understand why people including the commentator are outraged at sam warburton's red card. it was a dangerous tackle
It may have been dangerous but didn’t deserve a red I may be bias due to me being welsh but it didn’t deserve a red
It s red
Yellow at the most, rules state that it's a red card it the player drops the other in their head, he dropped him on his back
@@teevo8451 I don't understand why you think it's only a yellow. He landed on his shoulders and head at the same time. All tackles with legs above horizontal with any downward pressure should be a red. The game is dangerous enough without spear tackle's. Their is absolutely no need for them. He had a good grasp of the player and could have pulled him down. Absolutely no need to lift. How many past player's are complaining of or have serious head injuries-too many and if you look at these players game stats and head injury stats you will see the more hits the worse their ongoing symptoms in retirement. I don't care who the team and who the player and have had no issue with any red card for bad tackling/lazy tackling with an irish player so I wouldn't have an issue with any other country
@@ocodeskamcdbsm the point is spears were rarely red carded at the time. Hence the reaction from the commentators. I’ve seen worse which were given only yellows in matches where very little was riding on them. It was a massive call at the time to make in a semi final of a World Cup.
Again though, I’m welsh so obviously biased and would agree that without doubt it would be a red now.
Red card for Warburton is not a controversial decision, just English are not used to be with a referee who is fair. French, Argentina and Italy took red card for less of that
Warburton's not English, and while it's not a controversial decision by today's standards, it was very controversial at the time - especially considering Warburton had made two similar tackles in the quarter-final. Furthermore, whether the card itself is controversial is in some ways irrelevant as largely the reason it's difficult for many to get over was that despite having 14 men for the majority of the match, Wales came incredibly close to making it to the final.
Honestly though why would you even attempt a lift tackle in world cup playoffs, there's potential to paralyze someone, I mean a red is more than fair
Agree, stupid act
Ye that biased Welsh commentator. Was a red
@@Tom-vu1wr Exactly.
Stupidest comment on TH-cam...
Congrats!
@@Tom-vu1wr it was definitely not a red by the rules back then
Being upset that BOD wasn’t selected for the lions is hugely unfair on the player who did start - Johnathan Davies. Who ended up being one of the best players of the tournament.
I'm Irish. Love BOD and I'm not very fond of Warren Gatland but I agree. At the time I was gutted but Johnathan Davies was definitely the better choice. BOD was in his mid 30s by that stage, and while he was still a legend he was nowhere near the same player as he was in 2001, 2005 or 2009. Davies was in his prime. As much as I love BOD it would have been criminal to select him over Davies. Jamie Roberts and Johnathan Davies were near as perfect a centre partnership as you could want.
Gotta love Justin Marshall. One of the fairest commentators out there. Pity we don't hear more from him in the NH.
Did you know his nickname in New Zealand commentary circles is the "talking penis"
And WC final in 2011?
It's a video from a British man, he can't show the moments when the French suffered injustices...
@@alexrt9255 that's so bad...
@@alexrt9255 Hahahahahaha I think you might be right XD
The French are crying about that when it was nothing compared to the 2007 world cup QF,NZ v France.
France shouldnt have been in the fucking final to start with.
Warburtons red card wasn't remotely contraversial, a lack of a red card would have been, that was a pretty easy decision for the ref after seeing the replay. A great shame to lose such a fabulous player so early in a winnable match, but 100% correct ruling.
This is the stupidest comment on TH-cam!
During that world cups lifting in the tackle was legal, landing on your back was legal.
@@leeofdoom4452 Your comment regarding stupidity is quite remarkable given how ridiculous your own comment is, and the less said about your grammar and spelling the better! Warburton took the player beyond the horizontal, in itself illegal, and the player concerned did not land on his back, he landed on his shoulders and back of the head simultaneously having descended from the illegal tackle far beyond the horizontal. Such actions have rightly been illegal for a long time and an automatic red card under the guidance given to referees back then and still today. So, either you did not witness the original event, you did not fully watch this clip, you do not know the laws of the game or you are a complete and utter idiot. I'm putting my money on all four, but the last one is a certainty!
Yeah that's correct. Which is why the commentators were so shocked it was a red and not a yellow. And we lost by such a small margin. If we hadn't lost Warburton I think we would have won.@@leeofdoom4452
Did you not hear the commentary? They were talking about a yellow being harsh let alone a red. By todays standards it would be a red but this was in 2011. I watched this game live and my thoughts were that a yellow was fair since it was definitely dangerous but not cynical. Made the rest of the game a bit of a farce since that call became the big talking point rather than the actual match
@@oliverjenner9251 I did hear the commentary on this clip and I was at the game about 20 metres from where it happened. Always a red card cynical or not long before 2011 - check the laws of the game! The commentators were being utterly biased and not seeing it for what it was, life-threateningly dangers. Warburton is a top bloke and a great player in his day, but the laws are there for everyone!
Spot on. Hopefully the use of technology will limit the amount of ref errors in the future. Too many important games were decided by dubious calls.
Funny how every time there is a strange decision taken, Craig Joubert is the ref :)
Warburton's tackle was deffo a red, the scottish penalty was 50/50, but definitely needed to go tmo. That French try should have been chalked off for the forward pass.
What about the first French championship win from Clermont in 2010 after 10 lost finals and the three last in 2009, 2008 and 2007. That was 100 years that Clermont wait for it !
- Lawes was offside. Just.
- It wasnt the Haden thing that was penalised. I was right above it.
- The worst thing about the Lions Owens offside thing was that Kieran Reid had been 2 metres offside at the kickoff so the Owens thing shouldnt have mattered.
Class pure class, the music makes it even more depressing hell I even felt sad for the Welsh lads...
Im surprised that Japan vs South africa game wasn't part of that because that was one of the most glorious moments when Japan scored that final try
Ref sends off Canadian player for playing rugby
Was standing behind the posts when big Gav missed the penalty v England in RWC 91 semi final. Devastated 🏴
14: Just for the record, Haden's dive from the line out didn't influence the referee's call. He penalised Geoff Wheel for jumping off Oliver at the front of the lineout.
MarsFKA yeah, but the cynicism and the cheating in what Haden did still stands.
@@JezD67 you are both correct.
A dive just about worthy of a damn Oscar
That Bulls vs Sharks game end never gets old, I know some people that went to go and buy Beers "because their team won" and when they came out LOL!
You should have put the come back of France vs nzl in semi final of the World Cup
I'm surprised there wasn't some kind of investigation into the Italy v Wales match
The 29 time non-decision of joubert against NZ versus France in 2011 Final is the worst injustice in rugby history (not because one time missed but because 29 time missed and 19 faults was not signaled against NZ during the second half. And it's not inside this movie.
Jeez,you are thick.Even for a frog.
I'll never get over Wayne Barnes and the 20 mins extra time that was played in a Wales vs. France fixture a few years back...
Something rugby fans will never remember: Australia having the Bledisloe Cup.
We had it in 2000 :)
Ziiiing!
Sorry I can't understand what you are saying--it doesn't compute!
You know we don't actually care about union in Australia, right? Most people over here don't even know what super rugby is, but everyone knows what NRL is. Keep the Bledisloe forever, we don't care bro.
@@morningstomper123 Most people outside of Australia think NRL is a typo and your talking about the NFL!
The funny thing about the English try disallowed is Eddie Jones pushed to make that a rule 🤣
BOD getting dropped was only a shock if you're irish. He's a legend obviously, but Gatland picked on form and picked correctly
Have a good Kiwi friend who for years kept getting angry at me and ranting about 'the French forward pass' and so now I finally get to see it.
I will never admit it to him as it winds him up even more when I say 'is only a game, mate' but yeesh, that really was beyond blatant.
5:56 the most emotional lol
Tough job, reffing. I wouldn't want to do it.
I was at that Super Rugby final. I was 10 years old. I didn’t stop crying for 2 days, my first heartbreak.
When NZ managed to beat Ireland, videos never include the conversation being taken twice.
Cruden missed the first shot, and Ireland charged it down. Nigel Owen's said Ireland ran early (or something) and let Cruden take it again, this time the Irish team couldn't charge.
As an Irishman, I'm still very, VERY sore from that game.
Edit: Cruden not Carter
Colm Mannion crudan wasn’t it
@@david-gq8ml it was Cruden
@@david-gq8ml indeed, my bad
Ye they never include it being taken twice cuz its pretty useless lol it was clearly an early charge down and Nigel owens was well within his rights to let them retake the kick ireland were the masters of their own downfall that night
@@boom4301 that's all besides the point.
It's about shock factor.
For a split second, the Irish team and fans thought Ireland had held out.
But they dint.
I’m an Aussie living in Glasgow and I make Sure to never mention the World Cup to anyone 😂
what the hell is controversial about Warburton's red card?
Lifted legs above head, little control in bringing him to ground. It's a spear tackle in my book, gotta be red.
He lifted the legs yes, the hips went above the torso, JUST, but he dropped him on his back and not neck or head. Plus Clerc is a pissant so there is argument that there was never intention to lift him dangerously, he is 5 stone lighter than warburton. And Clerc came off the tackle ok which is another indication to the severity of the tackle. Yellow card would have been fair enough but red, way way too harsh, especially at the beginning of a world cup semi final that Wales would have won if they had 15 men on the ground. Thats why its controversial.
In 2011 that wasn’t a red. A yellow, probably. Of course now it would be 100% a red but the rules weren’t as strict then so it was a massive shock
Red card all day long. A Stupid act that blew his sides chances in the 2011 RWC semi
@@floydkingi4364 nah man, not at that time.
Now for sure
But back then: he didn't land on his head so yellow not red
Glad you showed the Haden dive!
In an interview the ref said the penalty wasn't for Hayden it was for interference on a different AB(No.5?)
@@prof_kaos9341 yes, the ref pointed his finger at the no5. You can see it in this video.
No love for the Aussies,but the whinging over the Scotland game was hilarious.As soon as it happens to a northern team,the bleating reaches epic proportions.
It was an egregious call. Im not a tier one fan but i mean...the calls after THAT forward pass against nz were remarkable also
@@headintheclouds6935 the difference is NZ were told to suck it up.
The call v Scotland,and all of a sudden,it's the crime of the century.
@@richardscanlan3167 i guess thats just anti NZism lol. What happens qhen youre world no. 1
@@headintheclouds6935 pretty much is.
Wonderful use of Cinematic Orchestra for the backing track
Which Cinematoc Orchestra song is this please?
@@DannyG7 To Build a Home
@@Thewouf thank you, I was unsure! Parts sounded different to build a home
2011 RWC final?
Nothing compared to the 2007 world cup QF,NZ v France.
@@Trajan2401 You mean that a series of one sided wrong decisions by a referee during a World Cup final, giving New Zealand the title by one point, is nothing compared to one forward pass leading to a try in a quarter final, giving the win for France, that was eliminated in the semi final ?
@@lahire4943 but you're french so you're pretty biased aren't you
@@angelaizen2231 Being French prevents me from analyzing correctly rugby matches of the French team ?
@@lahire4943 no it just makes you more biased towards the french team
Number 3. I was driving home from a weekend away listening on the radio. Nearly binned the deliberately out of utter contempt for that referee. Absolutely shocking decision.
What Umaga did to O'Driscoll was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen on a playing field.
Really?? Dont watch much rugby then do ya!!
@@bigkiwial You clearly don't know what you're talking about. O'Driscoll was spear-tackled, which is now punished with an instant red card.
You're arguing that the entire sport has it wrong.
@@InshushaGroupie no its just a wild exaggeration to call it the most disgusting thing ever on a playing field, you clearly haven't watched much sports if that's what you think.
it was clearly an accident.
@@V8ToYy I've watched plenty. Lifting someone, tipping them over and driving them into the ground shoulder first is an appalling thing to do.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Warburton to Poite, "Black or Red?" - genius!
That 2011 rwc match against Australia still gives me heartache. The boks dominated their pool and in my opinion were on their way to our 3rd RWC. I will never forget how angry I was when I watched that blatant display of biased refereeing.
Was a shocking sight
That's karma for '95
jk
@@vex_d673 Even as a joke, that is not funny. Nor is it remotely true, but that never seems to matter to some Kiwis.
@@Karma-qt4ji ha,you shouldn't have even been in the final in 1995.
Abdel Bennazi scored the winning try that would have knocked you out of the WC.Dodgy.....seriosly dodgy.
@@richardscanlan3167 According to the referee on the day, he didn't. Same as Reuben Kruger did not score a try against the All Blacks in the final. Maybe if we had had the TMO back then it would have been different, but even then, by today's standards, the on field decision would have been vitally important in both cases, so what makes you think you know better than Derek Bevan? At least he was a good referee, unlike the one who "controlled" the game we were discussing here... No, buddy, seriously dodgy is when your referee gets rid of the only real opposition for you so you give him the referee of the year award. You can be a cunt if you want and point as many fingers as you like at South Africa, but never forget that the All Blacks' shit also stinks.
@@Karma-qt4ji blah,blah,blah.You lost in 2011 fair and square.Ibwatched it with friends,and we were laughing at how inept SA were.Aus didn't win it,SA lost it,due to their inability to put away an average aussie team.What does that say about your precious boks? As to Bevan - a good ref? Yeah,Luyt and all the saffa fanbois thought so.
So you were our only opposition in 2011.Your team was a joke,you were no threat to us.And if you want to play the 2011 card,I give you 2007,when NZ was taken out by Barnes to gift SA the cup.
But,ofc,that was different,right?
The Referees have incredible power and some of them even know the rules.
There are no rules in Rugby they are laws
The Brian O'Driscoll decision was spot on! Jonathan Davies was amazing in that third test!
BS. Dropping him from the entire squad? Absolute rubbish. On his last Lions Test ever after being on four tours.
@@cianw2942 BS??? Would love to see your team selections... That centre pairing was amazing in that last game. Nobody deserves a spot because of what they've done in the past.
This is pure class. Thanks for the Memories :-)
Me : Can someone explain to me why the commentators are so incredulous about the Sam Warburton Red card?
That is CLEARLY DANGEROUS PLAY.
He endangered not only a fellow professional but another human being health and life.
He lifted the legs yes, the hips went above the torso, JUST, but he dropped him on his back and not neck or head. Plus Clerc is a pissant so there is argument that there was never intention to lift him dangerously, he is 5 stone lighter than warburton. And Clerc came off the tackle ok which is another indication to the severity of the tackle. Yellow card would have been fair enough but red, way way too harsh, especially at the beginning of a world cup semi final that Wales would have won if they had 15 men on the ground. Thats why its controversial.
@@stone686970 so it is the victim of a dangerous reckless tackles'fault for begin on the pitch five stone lighter coming off the tackle and Wales would have won with 15 players? Plus he is not that sort of player excuse even though you admit he did it. Excuses are why we have such a feckless society and covid is is running rampant throughout the world
@@MrAllenm94 Ok mate, i don't think your issue is just with the tackle haha. I don't 100% understand what you are saying but yes i do admit he made the tackle and that it is worth a yellow card, however rugby is a contact sport and if you run onto the park you take some responsibility for putting yourself at risk of being harmed. I'm giving you some perspective as to why it is a controversial decision. And by the way, seeing as you've decided to squeeze that last comment into your reply, if you think that we have such a reckless modern society, i'd suggest learning an inkling of human history.
@@stone686970 don’t know what tackle you where watching he came down on the back of the neck
@@stone686970 Clerc landed on head and neck so red with no discussion. This was a new rule for this RWC but other ref. were only giving yellow. Sam should have followed Clerc in the fall, not let him drop. The commentators afterwards said this was a strict observance of the law.
As a side note, this red card did not help the Ftench to say the least, because they were so scared of loosing against a 14 men side they played like s***.
That Ausie v SA Rwc final really got me
Where is refereing of joubert during France NZ 2011 rwc final
Les anglo-saxons préfèrent mettre le rouge mérité de Warburton en demi 2011... et l’en-avant (véritable celui-là) en 2007 contre les blacks... des sacrés farceurs 😉
@@kevincottereau8669 le gars est gallois, donc celte, pas anglo-saxon.
The fact that Bryce Laurence not only screwed South Africa, but was awarded referee of the year was just an extra punch in the face.
You lot have no idea how much we still despise that man.
I have a pretty good idea, similar feelings about Wayne Barnes starting in the 2007 QF and have never gone away. Actually got worse from the recent NZ v Ireland QF
1:01 I cannot believe that the welsh were saying that a yellow card is "harsh" for such a tackle. The referee just applied the rules with the red card.... Clearly biaised. And not a controversial decision AT ALL!!
The fact that he didn’t even go to the TMO, back when the rules weren’t that strict back in 2011, in a World Cup Semi final was crazy. For a decision as big as that which the ref knows that’ll change the game, he had to go upstairs. It was a yellow card at the most.
@@ifanroberts-jones8668 Sorry but I do not understand people who talk about "decision that changes the game". It is not his tackle, he only applies the rule. If the welsh did not want to be red carded, he should not have tackled like that
@@ifanroberts-jones8668 I didn’t think the TMO had that power in 2011?
that was a deep video with some deep music. well done g
Don't see why the BoD drop is on there, the coach and team were justified with the win
Because Gatland is a prick.
Whilst I agree with you there are Irish fans out there who will never forgive Gatland for that despite the win
@@AndrewDavidForde Those "fans" are idiots.
@@thecoderofyoutube Gotta agree with that.
You mean the one in 2005?
Was at the Cardiff v Tigers game. That was a tense city to get out of! Had to take off our shirts because we kept getting spat on..
I think Warburtons red card paved the way for referees to be more confident is using the letter of the law. While no doubt heartbreaking if you go by the book it was a clear red. Above the horizontal and dropped, balls of steel from Roland if you ask me
That AB dive at the lineout v Wales was absolutely disgraceful. I'm surprised someone didn't lamp him one!
History shows the penalty was for an infringement near the front of the line out, not at Hayden’s place. It was a shameful dive but wasn’t what the ref based the penalty on.
@@garthleckey9797 I had another look at it, turns out there's 2 dives in that lineout. Was obviously a game plan for that stage of the game.
@@garthleckey9797 "The infringement at the front" was yet another Black diving. Obviously a discussed ploy to secure a penalty in the dying minutes. Great Welsh team robbed of a deserved victory by win-at-all-cost cheats.
@@neilhallett1613 haha,great Welsh team? Mate,it was an average AB team,and Wales still couldn't win... at home.And I say that as a kiwi.
@@richardscanlan3167 The issue is cheating, not "greatness". They felt they had to cheat to win.... it was a predetermined call. No one condones diving ....do they? .
It's always the refs like look at the nrl 2019 grand final ref called 6 to go then changed his mind and said 5th and last like it's always the refs
The music does not help with the sadness! 😢Silent tears