tajbir1 yes. another analogy could be that our 5 senses are not enough to experience everything in this world. We need special instruments to measure the unseen Radio waves, EM waves etc. Similarly God is of some energy form that can't be experienced by 5 sense nor any instruments to date.
crazyjack000 You fall apart when challenged intellectually. Atheism is nonsense. The only logical point to step is being agnositc, because you cant probe or disapprove that there is a god. You can watch the video, he has some valid points.
I respect your way of saying that jagraj singh is very knowledge but please don’t say that Waheguru came down as a incarnation as guru Nanak says that God cannot take human form
I think for a westerner like this she asked "Why doesn't God reveal himself?" hoping for a clearcut answer. The problem with people who don't believe in God is that they want these extremely concise and clearly defined answers. God needs to do absolutely nothing for us, to believe in God without him revealing himself is powerful. I don't believe in blind faith but you have to be able to believe in God undoubtedly. You have to find and experience God, the point of our human existence is to find Waheguru and reconnect with that creator. If we know God is there and that he does exist our human life becomes rather pointless.
The Turbanator Atheism is not a belief system ! Believing in something (like god) is just Theism (all religions) whereas lack of belief is what's called Atheism.
I would be keen to speak to this gentleman and understand a bit more about Sikism and perhaps point out a few things, hopefully I'll get a chance next time he and I are both at Speakers Corner
The main reason why Sikh believe in God is that they say that they can meditate and experience God right here in this world. They can feel God which is very hard to explain. My question is that how do we know that what you are experiencing is a God connection? I can be listening to rock music and experience extreme happiness or I can be on drugs and experience euphoria. How do we differentiate? I have been very religious all my life and all my family members are amritdharis (baptised). It was only recently that I started questioning things and start to think independently. We say that upon meditating on God's name, we can obtain ridhi/sidhis/supernatural powers as a side affect even though Sikh should never be after that. However, we do not have any evidence that anyone has obtained these powers.
Hi Tanveer, that is very subjective. How do we know what we experience is an enlightenment or self-realization? What criteria defines self-realization?
Thats simple Singh. Mahapurakhs. Bhramgyanis. Go into their sangat and you will know what it means to experience God. Its literally in gurbani, mentioned hundreds of times. Satguru has appointed God's people as ministers. The Guru is the owner of the storehouse and he has given the key to the Sants. The ones that have made it, they are here, although hard to find. Have you read Sukhmani Sahib by Guru Arjan Dev Ji Sache Patshah? Bhramgyani, the knower of God, is Aap Parmesar, is himself the Nirankar. Once you've met one you will never doubt your life and anything else ever again. Amrit and kirpa rains down from their with a mere glance. You're talking about ridhi sidhi? That is nothing compared to what they are capable of? I'm speaking from personal experience
there is one God without birth and death God is self created without father and mother. there is one God who created the universe. God is achieved by humans through true spiritual guru (from Sikh holy book)
A point, if you are going to discuss religion with well read atheists you are going to have to stop making generalization errors. Just because someone is an atheist does not mean they have stop looking for evidence for God. It simply means that so far they have not found sufficient evidence therefore not believe any gods exist. Also a distinction between atheism and agnosticism. Atheism is about belief, or rather the lack thereof, and agnosticism is about the lack of knowledge. So one can be both agnostic and atheist. That's what I am. I don't know a god doesn't exist, but I don't believe any exist. It's a tentative position that could be changed by future evidence. And a God that does not reveal itself is the same as one that does not exist. So saying that god is hiding so you cannot prove him is not going to convince any critical thinking atheist.
ik thoughts matter too, but what about people who deal with ocd, pocd, and stuff like that. please help, ive been having horrible thoughts and its not my fault, and feel like im a bad person. please help. I just don't god to be disappointed in me
Eye those are mental issues. please get help. Also Buddhism talks about one has to rise above thoughts and feelings, look into it. The whole point of meditation including simran (sikh meditation) is to limit thoughts and focus on waheguru. But if u have OCD or similar problems, then I will need extra help
We humans are like worms ,with no eyes ,if the worm thinks that there is no light it doesn't mean that there is no light. The worm can't sense light it doesn't mean that there is no light. We are like worms no sense of light(god)and it doesn't mean there is no light (god) it means we don't have the sense
Her points are innocent. When she says, "I can't..." either due to not receiving this or that. But the use of an ideal of a God, is a projection of human understanding of start and end, up and down. There is a manipulative invisible hand because this chair would not be here without my tangible hand. it's interesting that the host likens a God to a magician. Also that he refers to a God as a "he".. ascribing a sex. But as I understand why some cultures create a God concept, I don't fault people. We should speak in person one day brother. Peace.
Life Trod SGGSji refers to God as mother and father. The host refers to God as He purely for the fluidity of his conversation with the other person, instead of saying 'he or she,' every time the host refers to God)
Sukhraj Mann thanks for the reply. Personally, I don't see this as innocent, because it influences the mind towards a particular conclusion. Even the choice of using a "he" descriptor as opposed to a "she" lends to social influences which also impresses upon the mind a conclusion about a possibility of a God concept.
Actually, in SGGS ji all beings (male and female) are brides to God, as the soul wants to reconnect to the beloved Bridegroom, who is God. So, if we are all brides, then it makes sense to say God is "He" even if God has no sex.
Sikh Awareness Council Hamilton thank you for your reply. My contention wasn't a matter of pitting the likelihood of a God being male or female in respects to most religions. Rather, I was pointing to the common instinct of projecting this reality to an idea of an ethereal one, thus within that creation, one constructs a realm which is a mirror to this. Stemming from the root of an Ego, God, to then branch to the he's, she's, connect, disconnect, love, hate, right, wrong, etc.
Dear Jagraj, I would recommend you read Richard Dawkin's 'The God Delusion'. The arguments you are using to persuade atheists are well documented and known to them. That is not the reason most are atheist. Atheism is like slowly waking up from a dream or delusion into seeing clearly for the first time. There will some delusional beliefs that you have to support a belief in what you think God is. Knowledge will help you see how delusional some of these beliefs are.
god is the total energy, all energy has some amount of consciousness, let humans have a consciousness value of 1 for example, a monkey may have 0.8, an atom may have 0.000000000001, and god is the entirety of energy itself so it has an infinite consciousness value. Think about how much smarter and aware of our reality we are compared to dogs, that is the same way god is to us but in billions and trillions of greater magnitude. energy cant be created or destroyed, only change form, just like the way god is described, everything is energy so god is technically everywhere.Your consciousness is the energy created from the small amount of neural activity and electrical signals in your brain, which is nothing compared to the massive energy throughout our universe, god, so we cant even begin to understand god.
please sir tell them what does meditation means?? remembering god 24 hours and also that we stand as a das in front of god's gate and should wait that he gave as blessing .
who made stars sun moon earth and universe logically man didn't make it but secret God waheguru made this universe who is unseen but can be seen through guru
Jagraman Singh If everything has to be made by someone then who made that god ? Why don't people just also think & take into consideration views like not everything is made by some conscious being ?
Naz Dhillon understand this. god isnt an object. maybe for some religions they are but not in sikhism. god might be an energy source, grey matter etc. we dont know. thats why sikhs believe god is formless.
Bruce wayne, do you realize that there are unknown # of dimensions that might exist, which can not be understood or comprehended by humans. I doubt humans have the capacity to understand god.
Bruce Wayne You don't experience it with imagination. Where did you pick that up? You do experience it. Just look at brain scans of monks & see how they have changed thru meditation, which does surprise scientists. Religion isn't exact science. Your claims of non-existence are hollow as well. Just look at history & the lives of people who had achieved that connection.
I respect this guy but he can't really argue against atheism.The logical stance is to be an atheist.I still don't have much problem with a lot of sikhs.As long as there is compassion and empathy,I am fine with sikhi.
if the logical stance is to be an atheist, could you give a better explanation with a higher probability for how the universe came into existence than a theist?
For this woman, she just don't get it a spirituality experience to feel god, just like me before. I got a experience about god, about vaheguru. Magic! The trully magic supranatural. Then vaheguru is magic and supranatural. Thats i believe vaheguru exist 100 %
There is no ‘he’ doing things it’s ‘it’ god doesn’t think or he does it’s an energy god just is everything and all energies that are sustained you cannot see god in one form, god is never a he but always a he we don’t know
What an awful analogy. You know that a magician isn't actually magical, but instead using sleight of hand to distract you from their tricks. also uhm most magicians are atheists, so there's that
I dont think this man knows what atheism is. I even doubt whether he knows what proof is. He keeps asserting that god is a magician blablabla but isnt providing any evidence of its existence rather more assertions and fallacious statements. Its your job to prove god man cause you’re preaching. You keep saying god cant be proven but keep asserting that it exists, dont you see how circular is that?
@@freebird2415 you seem to challenge and say this guy needs to show evidence etc about god and atheist etc. I am ask whats your theory or belief than it would be intresting to know
@@djavsdjavs you need to be more specific on what you’re asking of me. I will try to answer anyways. The topic being discussed here is of the existence of a god. My view on the matter is that i am not convinced that such an entity exists due to lack of evidence thus the reason of my original comment demanding evidence.
...this religion a 'spin off' from Islam, with a mixture of something else i think ?? i.e. a belief system in One God, but with different means of connecting with God.... [I mean...] mediation is a form of prostration - right ??
No, Sikhi is NOT a "spin off" of Islam or any religion. Sikhi is simply just the truth. There is an aspect of the same truth in many religions, but for us Sikhi is the complete truth. We believe that there are only two basics things that anyone regardless of there religion needs to do in order to find salvation. Those two things are Seva (selfless service) and Simran (meditation or remembering God).
Atino Valentino It isn't a "spin off" religion in any way or form. There is only one truth which is consistent throughout the majority of religions; there is only one creator. The creator has several different names e.g Waheguru, Allah, God, etc... From my understanding, Sikhism is like university standard mathematics and other religions are college standard, high school standard, etc... They all share truths e.g the value of PI will be commonly shared. This doesn't mean you have to convert to reach God. The Gurus taught other followers of different faiths what type of person to be e.g Muslims were told to be good Muslims, say names of Allah, etc...
Atino Valentino there r many religions that believe in 1 God. Judaism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism. these are all older than Islam. so why would u think this religion is a spin off of Islam instead of the other more older monotheistic religions?
Meditation is remembrance and connecting to the Primal Force/The Ultimate One which many of us call God. But the Sikh concept of God is totally different to that of Islam. Yes just like the Abrahamic religions Sikhi speaks of the One God but its not a being far far away from us or a man up in the clouds. Vahiguru is everywhere.
Dont call it a spin off its the complete truth in which Islam and Christianity and others have some of it but not all of it hence why sikhi is the complete truth
The arguments jagraj gave were not impressive. i find arguments of zakir naik & nauman ali khan the best and they can beat any religious scholar in debate.
that's because he dosen't intend to beat,convert anybody....he is just sharing knowledge and he dosen't believe that everyone except sikhism is complete false...there is elements of truth everywhere...that's diff between zakir naik and jagraj singh
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I love how Jagraj explains sikhi in such a loving and profound way
I completely agree, well said. 🙏🏼
Rip jagraj
As a blind man feels the sun, I feel the bliss of God. Easy analogy.
tajbir1
yes. another analogy could be that our 5 senses are not enough to experience everything in this world. We need special instruments to measure the unseen Radio waves, EM waves etc. Similarly God is of some energy form that can't be experienced by 5 sense nor any instruments to date.
crazyjack000
You fall apart when challenged intellectually. Atheism is nonsense. The only logical point to step is being agnositc, because you cant probe or disapprove that there is a god. You can watch the video, he has some valid points.
Great answers for the Atheist. She was so innocent in her questions, and they were great questions for Bhai Jugraj.
I thank Wahegru ji for coming down and incarnating in this beautiful person called Jugraj Singh, and showing us all that beautiful wisdom.
I respect your way of saying that jagraj singh is very knowledge but please don’t say that Waheguru came down as a incarnation as guru Nanak says that God cannot take human form
IK ONKAR - it’s all one brother ✌🏼💜🙏🏼
@@veersajansingh8741God can come here in any form he wants
I think for a westerner like this she asked "Why doesn't God reveal himself?" hoping for a clearcut answer. The problem with people who don't believe in God is that they want these extremely concise and clearly defined answers. God needs to do absolutely nothing for us, to believe in God without him revealing himself is powerful. I don't believe in blind faith but you have to be able to believe in God undoubtedly. You have to find and experience God, the point of our human existence is to find Waheguru and reconnect with that creator. If we know God is there and that he does exist our human life becomes rather pointless.
I come from a Catholic household, I've not yet taken Amrit.
Believe what you want, I don't even know you so why should I care what you believe or don't haha
"Go on our channel! And check it out" lol
tod bob ikr 😂
That was messed up by her she was the one asking questions lol not him
Yea bec he wanted to answer her but she said she had to leave, so he told her to check the channel for answers..
Jagraj Singh needs to have a proper debate with an Atheist, it will be interesting seeing the contrast between the two completely different beliefs
The Turbanator
Atheism is not a belief system ! Believing in something (like god) is just Theism (all religions) whereas lack of belief is what's called Atheism.
robin chetan If you think that Atheism is the Truth then why are you here?
because his religion is trollism
don't know how's your boyfriend?
Atheism is not a belief but the absence of belief based on knowledge.
Lol she wasn’t listening... the ending broke my heart... its better not to come if u dont have the time to listen and most importantly understand.
I love listening to him, his message is true no matter what your conditioning might be
can't believe he is gone..
jagraj singh you are awesome
I would be keen to speak to this gentleman and understand a bit more about Sikism and perhaps point out a few things, hopefully I'll get a chance next time he and I are both at Speakers Corner
Speakers Corner UK please point out here
sorry to say bro, Jagraj singh passed away
Waheguru g
Jagraj paji may god bless you wherever you are in heaven.waheguru
I was blind
Thank u God for Brother Jagraj Singh.
Rest in Power bro ❤
very nice
Wahe Guru
God answered.
The main reason why Sikh believe in God is that they say that they can meditate and experience God right here in this world. They can feel God which is very hard to explain. My question is that how do we know that what you are experiencing is a God connection? I can be listening to rock music and experience extreme happiness or I can be on drugs and experience euphoria. How do we differentiate?
I have been very religious all my life and all my family members are amritdharis (baptised). It was only recently that I started questioning things and start to think independently.
We say that upon meditating on God's name, we can obtain ridhi/sidhis/supernatural powers as a side affect even though Sikh should never be after that. However, we do not have any evidence that anyone has obtained these powers.
when you will be in sun you know it is sun not a light bulb...happiness you experience will be beyond this worldly happiness...
Hi Tanveer, that is very subjective. How do we know what we experience is an enlightenment or self-realization? What criteria defines self-realization?
gill200s look at lifes of 10 gururs do you think normal person can done things which they done
Thats simple Singh. Mahapurakhs. Bhramgyanis. Go into their sangat and you will know what it means to experience God. Its literally in gurbani, mentioned hundreds of times. Satguru has appointed God's people as ministers. The Guru is the owner of the storehouse and he has given the key to the Sants. The ones that have made it, they are here, although hard to find. Have you read Sukhmani Sahib by Guru Arjan Dev Ji Sache Patshah? Bhramgyani, the knower of God, is Aap Parmesar, is himself the Nirankar. Once you've met one you will never doubt your life and anything else ever again. Amrit and kirpa rains down from their with a mere glance. You're talking about ridhi sidhi? That is nothing compared to what they are capable of? I'm speaking from personal experience
there is one God without birth and death God is self created without father and mother. there is one God who created the universe. God is achieved by humans through true spiritual guru (from Sikh holy book)
A point, if you are going to discuss religion with well read atheists you are going to have to stop making generalization errors. Just because someone is an atheist does not mean they have stop looking for evidence for God. It simply means that so far they have not found sufficient evidence therefore not believe any gods exist.
Also a distinction between atheism and agnosticism. Atheism is about belief, or rather the lack thereof, and agnosticism is about the lack of knowledge. So one can be both agnostic and atheist. That's what I am. I don't know a god doesn't exist, but I don't believe any exist. It's a tentative position that could be changed by future evidence.
And a God that does not reveal itself is the same as one that does not exist. So saying that god is hiding so you cannot prove him is not going to convince any critical thinking atheist.
ik thoughts matter too, but what about people who deal with ocd, pocd, and stuff like that. please help, ive been having horrible thoughts and its not my fault, and feel like im a bad person. please help. I just don't god to be disappointed in me
Eye those are mental issues. please get help. Also Buddhism talks about one has to rise above thoughts and feelings, look into it. The whole point of meditation including simran (sikh meditation) is to limit thoughts and focus on waheguru. But if u have OCD or similar problems, then I will need extra help
remember. Waheguruji judges that.
This video is beautiful
waheguruji da khalsa waheguruji di fateh.....veerji prachar de vitirikt tussi job shob krde ho what do you and your crew do for living!?
We humans are like worms ,with no eyes ,if the worm thinks that there is no light it doesn't mean that there is no light. The worm can't sense light it doesn't mean that there is no light. We are like worms no sense of light(god)and it doesn't mean there is no light (god) it means we don't have the sense
Her points are innocent. When she says, "I can't..." either due to not receiving this or that. But the use of an ideal of a God, is a projection of human understanding of start and end, up and down. There is a manipulative invisible hand because this chair would not be here without my tangible hand. it's interesting that the host likens a God to a magician. Also that he refers to a God as a "he".. ascribing a sex. But as I understand why some cultures create a God concept, I don't fault people. We should speak in person one day brother. Peace.
Life Trod SGGSji refers to God as mother and father. The host refers to God as He purely for the fluidity of his conversation with the other person, instead of saying 'he or she,' every time the host refers to God)
Sukhraj Mann thanks for the reply. Personally, I don't see this as innocent, because it influences the mind towards a particular conclusion. Even the choice of using a "he" descriptor as opposed to a "she" lends to social influences which also impresses upon the mind a conclusion about a possibility of a God concept.
Actually, in SGGS ji all beings (male and female) are brides to God, as the soul wants to reconnect to the beloved Bridegroom, who is God. So, if we are all brides, then it makes sense to say God is "He" even if God has no sex.
Sikh Awareness Council Hamilton thank you for your reply. My contention wasn't a matter of pitting the likelihood of a God being male or female in respects to most religions. Rather, I was pointing to the common instinct of projecting this reality to an idea of an ethereal one, thus within that creation, one constructs a realm which is a mirror to this. Stemming from the root of an Ego, God, to then branch to the he's, she's, connect, disconnect, love, hate, right, wrong, etc.
I will be exploring Sikhi more to understand its Heritage, customs, and traditions.
Dear Jagraj, I would recommend you read Richard Dawkin's 'The God Delusion'. The arguments you are using to persuade atheists are well documented and known to them. That is not the reason most are atheist. Atheism is like slowly waking up from a dream or delusion into seeing clearly for the first time. There will some delusional beliefs that you have to support a belief in what you think God is. Knowledge will help you see how delusional some of these beliefs are.
Exactly bro... Atheist here and fan of Richard Dawkins
This girl doesn't know how atheists debate.... She disnt ask important questions
if you experience god then there is your answer
god is the total energy, all energy has some amount of consciousness, let humans have a consciousness value of 1 for example, a monkey may have 0.8, an atom may have 0.000000000001, and god is the entirety of energy itself so it has an infinite consciousness value. Think about how much smarter and aware of our reality we are compared to dogs, that is the same way god is to us but in billions and trillions of greater magnitude. energy cant be created or destroyed, only change form, just like the way god is described, everything is energy so god is technically everywhere.Your consciousness is the energy created from the small amount of neural activity and electrical signals in your brain, which is nothing compared to the massive energy throughout our universe, god, so we cant even begin to understand god.
energy and mass are of the same essence but in different form, so everything is one, e=mc^2
What is God ? Its most difficult question to answer.
please sir tell them
what does meditation means??
remembering god 24 hours
and also that we stand as a das in front of god's gate and should wait that he gave as blessing .
who made stars sun moon earth and universe logically man didn't make it but secret God waheguru made this universe who is unseen but can be seen through guru
Jagraman Singh
If everything has to be made by someone then who made that god ?
Why don't people just also think & take into consideration views like not everything is made by some conscious being ?
Naz Dhillon understand this. god isnt an object. maybe for some religions they are but not in sikhism. god might be an energy source, grey matter etc. we dont know. thats why sikhs believe god is formless.
Bruce wayne, do you realize that there are unknown # of dimensions that might exist, which can not be understood or comprehended by humans. I doubt humans have the capacity to understand god.
Bruce Wayne
You don't experience it with imagination. Where did you pick that up?
You do experience it. Just look at brain scans of monks & see how they have changed thru meditation, which does surprise scientists.
Religion isn't exact science.
Your claims of non-existence are hollow as well. Just look at history & the lives of people who had achieved that connection.
I respect this guy but he can't really argue against atheism.The logical stance is to be an atheist.I still don't have much problem with a lot of sikhs.As long as there is compassion and empathy,I am fine with sikhi.
if the logical stance is to be an atheist, could you give a better explanation with a higher probability for how the universe came into existence than a theist?
@@ramzy7330 Chronology of the universe on wikipedia.
For this woman, she just don't get it a spirituality experience to feel god, just like me before. I got a experience about god, about vaheguru. Magic! The trully magic supranatural. Then vaheguru is magic and supranatural. Thats i believe vaheguru exist 100 %
11 guru*
There is no ‘he’ doing things it’s ‘it’ god doesn’t think or he does it’s an energy god just is everything and all energies that are sustained you cannot see god in one form, god is never a he but always a he we don’t know
That experiance is based on illusions and phsycological issues.
so did you had one ?
Dude i like your channel but you totally lost that debate
THE Amazing Pagan witch don't think so
What an awful analogy. You know that a magician isn't actually magical, but instead using sleight of hand to distract you from their tricks.
also uhm most magicians are atheists, so there's that
I dont think this man knows what atheism is. I even doubt whether he knows what proof is. He keeps asserting that god is a magician blablabla but isnt providing any evidence of its existence rather more assertions and fallacious statements. Its your job to prove god man cause you’re preaching. You keep saying god cant be proven but keep asserting that it exists, dont you see how circular is that?
So whats your theory am all ear to hear - as a lot of keyboard warrior out there. so its nice to hear what your view is first
@@djavsdjavs my theory on what?
@@freebird2415 you seem to challenge and say this guy needs to show evidence etc about god and atheist etc. I am ask whats your theory or belief than it would be intresting to know
@@djavsdjavs you need to be more specific on what you’re asking of me. I will try to answer anyways. The topic being discussed here is of the existence of a god. My view on the matter is that i am not convinced that such an entity exists due to lack of evidence thus the reason of my original comment demanding evidence.
@@freebird2415 i think you commented about atheist it would be good to understand your views on atheists and what their belief is.
...this religion a 'spin off' from Islam, with a mixture of something else i think ?? i.e. a belief system in One God, but with different means of connecting with God....
[I mean...] mediation is a form of prostration - right ??
No, Sikhi is NOT a "spin off" of Islam or any religion. Sikhi is simply just the truth. There is an aspect of the same truth in many religions, but for us Sikhi is the complete truth.
We believe that there are only two basics things that anyone regardless of there religion needs to do in order to find salvation. Those two things are Seva (selfless service) and Simran (meditation or remembering God).
Atino Valentino
It isn't a "spin off" religion in any way or form. There is only one truth which is consistent throughout the majority of religions; there is only one creator. The creator has several different names e.g Waheguru, Allah, God, etc...
From my understanding, Sikhism is like university standard mathematics and other religions are college standard, high school standard, etc... They all share truths e.g the value of PI will be commonly shared.
This doesn't mean you have to convert to reach God. The Gurus taught other followers of different faiths what type of person to be e.g Muslims were told to be good Muslims, say names of Allah, etc...
Atino Valentino
there r many religions that believe in 1 God. Judaism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism. these are all older than Islam. so why would u think this religion is a spin off of Islam instead of the other more older monotheistic religions?
Meditation is remembrance and connecting to the Primal Force/The Ultimate One which many of us call God. But the Sikh concept of God is totally different to that of Islam. Yes just like the Abrahamic religions Sikhi speaks of the One God but its not a being far far away from us or a man up in the clouds. Vahiguru is everywhere.
Dont call it a spin off its the complete truth in which Islam and Christianity and others have some of it but not all of it hence why sikhi is the complete truth
The arguments jagraj gave were not impressive. i find arguments of zakir naik & nauman ali khan the best and they can beat any religious scholar in debate.
dinkling666 lol... Zakir naik
hahahahaah
dinkling666 thats bullshit
that's because he dosen't intend to beat,convert anybody....he is just sharing knowledge and he dosen't believe that everyone except sikhism is complete false...there is elements of truth everywhere...that's diff between zakir naik and jagraj singh
zakir nalayk, who's banned from so many countries. lmao gtfo