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DID IT SUCK? | Doctor Who [THE SNOWMEN REVIEW]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ธ.ค. 2022
- Seasons greetings! We begin our festive reviews with a close examination of Moffat's mid-series 7 Christmas Special: "The Snowmen". Thanks to Fran Birkett for editing this review!
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Are those other reviews edited by you or someone else? Just out interest 🙃
I like this episode and I really like Madam Vastra and her gang. And I love Jenna Coleman as this Victorian maid.😊
Hi Harry - I thought you might like to know that I clicked the Patreon link on your TH-cam channel homepage and it lead me to a 404 page. Tried it again and it sent me to the 404 page again. I just discovered your channel. Great work!!
STOP HATING ON CHILD ACTING!
This is the first time I've left the editing of my content in the hands of somebody else, please let us know how we did! 😊
I didn't even realise,so I suppose you did an excellent job!
Seamless, didn’t even notice the difference
I felt like the video didn't flow as well, something in the music in the background and the way you usually cut up it along with your voiceover. Wasn't bad by any means, just a bit... off?
Didn't even notice, so good job if that was the intention!
15:21 That's because it's a reference to the other Classic era Who story with The Great Intelligence - the Web of Fear (the 2nd Doctor story that got a missing ep animation for Part 3 that everyone spent ages laughing at last year).
My main takeaway from this video is that Harry really needs to watch more Classic Who stories, partly to stop these references going over his head, and also partly because a lot of them are genuinely really good
They didn't use the London Underground cause that was already done in the 60s we had the Yeti in the London Underground so that was more a reference to that
That box referencing the underground tunnels was actually a different reference to a 2nd Doctor story featuring the great intelligence.
"There are two refreshments in your world the colour of red wine. _This_ is _not_ red wine."
"Soooo... Ribena, then?"
I assume you haven’t watched ‘the web of fear’ from 1967. That was the 11th doctor accidentally giving the great intelligence the idea to use the London Underground
It's not lost potential.....it's a bloody good 2nd Doctor story. 🤣😉🤣
The "smaller on the outside" joke made me laugh twice because that's what my dad said when I showed him DW
I wonder what kind of gigachad made that video at 0:39
I suppose Harry hasn’t seen the Web of Fear….
I actually really liked the 'one word' test sequence. It was really intriguing. Also, Madame Vastra was drinking blood. That was the whole joke
Agreed, best scene in the episode hands down, the music, camera angles, direction, writing all compounds perfectly
I mean... it could have been grape juice.
Easily the best version of Clara. Moffat made a huge mistake killing her off, as modern day Clara is nowhere near as interesting.
I heard somewhere that this version of Clara was supposed to be the main companion, but the BBC intervened and insisted that the companion be from the present day. I'm not sure how true this is, since I haven't seen the exact source for this, but the fanbase seems to have taken this interpretation as gospel, so make of that what you will
@@christianwise637 Don't worry, my Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Doctors have diverse companions
@@christianwise637The Doctor has had a Victorian companion, as well as one from the 18th century (Jamie).
Can't see why BBC execs would be bothered tbh.
That line about the London underground was retroactively setting up one of the 2nd doctor's 2st encounter with the great intelligence and the bells of saint John was like their 3rd to 5th meeting in cannon
4:00 To be fair, I think her shift was over, and I'd be intrigued with a teleporting snowman, too. I really wish they'd just stuck with this Clara. It would've been interesting to travel with a companion from a different time.
8:06 she's implying that it is blood in order to set a serious tone with clara?
that's the only logical conclusion i could conjure up and it would make sense since as i remember her saying that she ate criminals or something like that
Coincidentally rewatched The Snowmen the same day this review came out. I like this darker version of the Eleventh Doctor, introduction of Clara Oswald, new TARDIS interior, and new intro. Too bad Series 7B was as short as it was but I like how it differentiates from the rest of the Eleventh Doctor’s Era
The Ponds should've left in Series 6 or much earlier in series 7 so that Eleven and Clara had more time.
And I think that we should've stuck with a darker Doctor for a bit and Victorian Clara had to slowly return him to his former self. Maybe having victorian London bound alien stories for 2 or 3 episodes before leaving.
Honestly series 7B (when not doing that stupid naked scene) 11 doctor just reminded me for series 5 11 doctor where he was way more toned down. Childish yeah but more blunt and less cuddly. And I loved it. Can’t stand it when his childish side is exaggerated.
I love the new Tardis interior reveal, the rest of the episode is _fine_
“They’re silly”😂 gets me every time
The map of the London underground is a reference to The Web of Fear lol
I think The Snowmen is easily one of the best DW Crimbo specials.
As mentioned in the review, I feel like it would be amazing to have Simeon and The Snowmen invade the house. While it was established that the Snowmen rely on thought to be formed, they could leech off of Simeon instead, which would actually make them threatening.
I genuinely must be feeling a small form of the Mandela effect cause I coulda sworn you did this episode... But I guess not 😶
I'm fairly sure the date and location of the underground Matt Smith brings up is a reference to the first? Great inteligence story where he sends an army of Robot Yeti to attack via the london underground. I say 'Fairly sure' because I haven't seen it but I've heard enough that I think that's what it's referencing?
Honestly I have this issue almost everytime the show references it's old history if it's not the RTD era. Like, season 1: We see an old cyberman head and it's described as an old enemy, fine. We meet Sarah Jane and it's the focus of the episode. Great!
This episode: Here's a reference that goes nowhere. Power of the Doctor: look it's a bunch of old characters and references we don't explain at all (see the Master killing Tegan's Aunt with his shrinking gun) Point is you can reference your history but also make it understandable... and they don't most of the time!
Fan Theory - Digby Latimer is the great-uncle of Lily and Cyril Arwell in The Doctor, The Widow And The Wardrobe. An "Uncle Digby" is mentioned in that episode and he is said to be living in a home, probably the kind for the elderly or handicapped.
The link between Oswin and Clara are to continue setting up The Impossible Girl arc and are done on purpose because unlike the situation with Martha this was the plan from the start and not just a coincidence that Moffat picked the same actor. Even when they were holding auditions that was his plan, It was adapted slightly but the basic idea was the same
7:06 I see what you did there
15:05 …(COUGH-WebOfFear-COUGH)
NGL, liked Clara in the Dalek episode but hated her every other time and for the rest of the seasons she was a companion. I don't know why, I just hate her. Its like Moffat had no idea what to do with her other than keep her around. Me thinks he liked the actress a little too much...
Also, we'd just had a "special mystery girl" kinda companion in Amy so it was annoying to see another "super special girl/who are you?!" trope AGAIN!
don't think that was happening .
I like this episode a lot
I like The Snowmen
I liked this special fairly well though your criticisms are noted. It's funny that throughout Who the child acting has always been despised, let's just get rid of child actors all together! 😆 The Paternoster gang are okay, they have their moments. I did like the one word test, especially it's resulting answer and the Doctor's reaction to it. The snowmen themselves didn't do much in the episode, they could have been more if a menace. 🥶 They did look good though. The Great Intelligence 🧠 was a good concept villain wasted.
The main positive of the episode was indeed Victorian Clara. Loved her Cokney accent, her mannerisms, her dual lifestyle, her sass and even her flirtation with the Doctor. Her ascending to the clouds and touring the outside of Tardis was magical, one if the best scenes of Who itself. She had good rapport with him and would have been a great companion. Their scenes together were electric because they had chemistry. They missed an opportunity using her in future 🔮 episodes though I understand she was meant simply as one of modern Clara's many splinters after she had entered the Doctor's timestream. Did you really refer to modern Clara as a f***ing spoon? 🥄 Is that some British insult I don't get? Whatever. 🙄
My vote: 8/10 (mostly for Clara 😘)
The magic with the British accent is we can use any noun as an insult you complete bungalow.
@@laineslater2821 well, that wouldn't be the accent, that would be the vocab pinky raising tea sippers 🍵
No idea Ian McKellen voiced the GI lol wut. I always thought it was just Richard E Grant with a filter.
the only thing i remember about this episode is how i was so clearly excited for a different era companion but instead ended up so confused i just. checked out of the show entirely.
It's kind of insane that Richard E Grant was once upon a time going to be the 9th Doctor, then when he finally shows up on Doctor Who he gets completely wasted
He got to play a recurring villain (The Great Intelligence). Hardly "wasted".
@@Rocket1377 he only played the great intelligence in 3 episodes and he had little screen time in each of them
He did play the doctor in a comic relief episode
@@mickys8065 comic relief doesn't count as an episode of the show
@@maldon3659 no but it still counts as acting as the doctor
God bless you for referencing Unfinished London! Love that channel.
8:06
My guy... I'm fairly certain it's impossible to overstate how obviously the "not red wine" is human blood (and if not human definitely blood)
The classic score returns
You think russel didn't have an idea to bring back donna for later stuff when he made the run away bride? Moffat probably had it planned since this was apart of the same season. He probably made up the plot line before, and if the rumours were true then the bbc made moffat have a modern clara instead of Victorian clara.
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Iv seen a few comments about this but to summarise, the doctor giving him the idea about the underground in the 1960s its why Patrick troughtens episode happens in the first place (retroactively of course)
did you know that the great intelligence was meant originally to be the villain of the episode the Doctors Wife
Did they ever mention how strax was brought back from the dead?. have to say was not keen on the episode. Also just to say i think the doctor talking about the London Underground was a reference to the old episode where the doctor fought the great intelligence in the underground in the sixte's
8:08 its blood ya melon
I was a little bit too excited to see the Jay Forman tube map video used...
"We did many drawings, and we saw a dead cow" the delivery of that line killed me, cringe but funny.
I feel like Richard E Grant is a good actor, but you would never know from his Doctor Who appearances. They did the same to him in in Star Wars by saying "be the most generic evil guy as possible, we don't want nuance just contort your face and take the paycheck".
Richard E. Grant is no stranger to Sherlock Holmes, he played Mycroft Holmes in Sherlock Holmes: Case Of Evil (2002)
"What an inspiring title.." 30 seconds in and I'm already laughing hahaha. Keep up the content bro
Harry gives it a 7/10, I would give it an 8 personally
I hated that one word test. Why was it used here when it was never used ANYWHERE else?
This Christmas special was a lot of fluff, but it wasn’t as abysmal as the past two Christmas specials we had.
I definitely feel I view this episode through rose tinted glasses as I remember how much I enjoyed the possibility of the Doctor travelling with a companion from a period outside of the 21st century, only to have 7B Clara be as exciting as white bread as a companion.
It's got some trademark Moffatisms that are such baloney, but the parts it does well (including that one word test imo) mean I view it more as a 5 or 6/10
How will I relate to a character unless they're from the UK in the 21st century?
Nah Clara was the best bit meh with 11 I’ll give u that but was fantastic with 12 and I will die on that hill. But my god the jokes don’t land tbh I did find them funny when I was a kid but I think that’s just my sorry excuse for humour.
I want my Bennieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
One of my favourites
7:06 you can't tell me that wasn't on purpose
Can't believe what I'm hearing. You're saying Voyage is pants, and this crock of **** is great TV?
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They definitely should have let clara be this victorian version. Although it bugs the hell out of me that she has two jobs... if you are intelligent enough to somehow get yourself a governess position why on earth would you continue being a barmaid??? You wouldn't.
weirdly i don't like any of the 11th doctor christmas specials. time of the doctor was the most okay. although i never finished the doctor the widow and the wardrobe.
@Harry's Moving Media I am going against the grain as I LIKED CLARA, Mainly as Jenna Coleman was really good - She acted it so well and really deserves credit for her efforts... But I CANNOT DENY that the writing was SO BAD for Clara!!!
As much as its Dunked on, I actually think the Impossible Girl idea had legs... But I don't feel Moffat had any clue what he was doing after he came up with the concept... A Real Shame... As it taints what is otherwise a Great Body of Work from a very talented Young Actress!
And The Great Intelligence - WOAH BOY! Where to begin.... I mean, I am old enough to have grown up with Classic Doctor Who... OK! I watched The Second Doctor in Re-Runs, The Patrick Troughton Years, and The Great Intelligence was indeed a Formidable opponent as IT WAS INTELLIGENT! THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT!
But here it seems DUMB AS A BOX OF FROGS!!! And again... I feel it taints Richard E. Grant who is a BRILLIANT ACTOR! I first came across him in WARLOCK - And DAMN he was brilliant in that... That led me to Withnail and I, which WOW! That is a movie to see if you want to see how good Grant is as an actor... But here... I don't know if it was the direction or the script but WOW he seems to just Phone it in!
And sadly, That's how I feel about ALL HIS PERFROMANCES as the Great Intelligence... I know he can do so much more and could have made this Enemy deeply threatening! Yet he seemed Hamstrung or uninterested!
I feel this episode helped establish Clara for me... This is where I finally started to become invested and wanted to know the story - But I have to admit, overall, Its a Pretty middle of the roads episode... I think 4/10 is about right!
I think that's why I couldn't stand Klara. She was so good in this episode and the asylum of the Darleks. So you get so excited when she becomes a proper companion and it's just dumb (that freaking leaf) which is so disappointing and I'm still annoyed. At least she becomes watchable when Cappaldi shows up.
Is it sad that dr who can create a better looking snowman then jackfrost
4/10? LOL? Easy 8. Literally no fucking question
Yeah, this episode certainly has it's flaws, but it is definitely one of the better Christmas stories.
I swear the GI did do something with the underground in classic who.
@Edward Vincent Laybourn Waller yeah I think so
I honestly wonder why you even bother at this point.
THIS was the very first episode of DW i ever watched and convinced me to give it a shot
The curse of a reviewer: the lack of suspension of disbelieve.😁
10:35 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 exactly my Humor!