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I think valrak has misinterpreted some information on the leak. I dont think the edition will have all jump packs or flying without them redoing fly or jump packs or making all other teams obsolete. It might make more sense if teams in the 3rd edition box might have some jump packs, but all teams during 3rd, cant possibly have all jump packs and wings.
I agree, I don't think it would be multiple all-flying teams but perhaps each new team for this edition will have at least one flying operative. At the very least, multiple operatives with spread wings, the obvious pose for a flyer, becomes an issue for navigating between terrain or taking cover when they're much wider than other operatives and being flying, they'd struggle to hide behind anything.. They'd be very mobile but would be instantly shot to pieces, right? Realistically a creature with wings would fold them in, but poseable wings is unlikely to be a thing. Then there's the balancing issues of teams that rely on cover vs teams that can simply ignore terrain. There might be one full-flying team but I doubt most will have more than 2 flying operatives.
I think a Hearthkyn team based on the Flash Gordon hawk men with metal wings would be amazing! Hawkyn, Eaglekyn, Falconkyn as possible names and the leader must have a big 2 handed mace.
Fly/jump pack is a strange push... I have a feeling that "all flying teams" are going to have some big exploits and the balancing on the day one errata will be rough.
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+1 Vote for Plastic Elysians, love the lore and the OG models, Only got one squad and Inquisitor Lock before they got killed off. Plastic Shrikes would also be amazing!
I’d like to see a shrike team. Three winged warriors and then basic gargoyles to go with them as the second fire team. Plus, Tyranids still play KT with their compendium rules, which is absolutely nuts considering they’re supposed to be the evil poster boys of 10th edition.
This might be controversial but I kinda don't care about jump units right now, honestly, and I wish they'd finish the edition of Kill Team we have. They've given us umpteen Imperial teams in particular (Marines, Imperial Guard, etc), two different Genestealer Cult Teams, two flavors of Chaos Marines, and so on... but Deathguard are still languishing, waiting for something that isn't compendium. So are Tyranids. Sisters of Battle only have one non-compendium option. The disparity is painful.
For imperial factions I think the guard deserves a jump unit the most out of all the factions. Scions makes sense but I would love to have a standard guard style jump unit instead of some scions. However I could see the jump packs being an upgrade kit so I maybe I’m being hopeful that it will be compatible with either the Scions or guardsman units
I will be so pissed if next edition is jet pack/flying focused. Who asked for this? Why are we invalidating every old team? Who is this even for? If I wanted to play with jump pack infantry I would play 40k
@@GlassHalfDead See what I would love to see, is a split in equipment..You have a couple different faction specific pieces like flayed skin and dynamite and then a universal set anyone can use with stuff like frags, kraks, climbing rope, whatever new jetpacks. You can spend your 10 points however you want. That way old (current) teams can still compete with whatever powercrept scion v vespid 40k stand in squads they put out. Would have been great if every team could have gotten climbing ropes for beta decima...
I reckon were getting 'jump edition' mixed up with 'terrain with proper verticality' edition - obviously flying dudes will have an easier time on that kind if terrain, but personally im hoping for built up hive terrain getting the Gallowdark treatment.
I think the most likely flying SM Kill Team would be vanguard vets. All their various weapon options count as ‘heirloom weapons’ in the 10th SM codex anyway so any new Kill Team options wouldn’t invalidate the current unit rules in the book.
Valrak followed-up this rumor with: orks vs imperial ogryns, and now he suspects, that next edition is not wholly flying stuff. Also, he mentioned shortly that new edition is somewhat like elites - but with rules his rumors are not so accurate.
@@krzysztofdrzewiecki5618 ogryn team? Oh yeah, I'm all in! When was that though? It wasn't in the same video was it?? If so the people who told me about the Ork bit didn't hear it
@@GlassHalfDead I think that both - ogryns and "elite-liknes" of next edition might have been on live-stream related to kill team rumor video. But I don't see his streams archived on his channel, so I cannot confirm for 100%
A double hello?! I've not seen that for some time... In all seriousness, whilst I'd like to see some plastic Elysians (I have 2000pts of old FW resin ones), there'd have to be some limitations to the gimmick or something, otherwise GW will have rendered most Kill Teams obsolete with this, as jump troops should have increased move values and agility.
(Quiet) Circle Hello. If the game is going to be balanced around jump infantry that’ll quickly self-select a lot of the old teams out of the meta. I think the optimal jump infantry for the guard would be penal legionaries - dudes with explosive collars around their necks, a jump pack, & a really, really slim chance of getting out of the battle alive, but if they do their crimes are forgiven.
Nah, really doubt this edition will be "flying" themed. Every new team will have some sort of theme, with Orks being "Big / Small vs Big / Small" (Ratlings / Ogryns vs Mekboiz / Gretchin) But a edition filled with only flying units would be *really* boring and take the whole "fly is special" thing away from teams. For example, right now it seems like the entire theme of Vespid is "you can fly and use that to buff neutron weapons". Giving every new team fly or something like grav-chutes would not make sense and make the 2 new teams boring
I really don't believe all the new teams will be flying teams. The new Ork team will be brand new Tankbustas. It's still in resin and it wasn't removed from the game when the new Ork codex came out. If you look at the unit there already is a melee guy, dual pistols dude, shooting dude, etc. Drukhari I can see Beastmaster getting a refresh. It's resin, and no longer produced. The Beastmaster and birds will both have flying.
Yeah i don't know. From the leaks i don't feel that excited for that edition tbh. Maybe if they release some new Raptors, even tho i wouldn't get into a whole new system for that. It just doesn't sound like the cool tactical skirmish game i like and rather like a flying game.
Considering how dumb Valrak is and how little he knows about Kill Team, im just going to assume he misunderstood what the next few boxes of KT are about.
@@teejay1646 I'm mainly looking forward to seeing a rules refinement. This was a great first attempt, now they get to show what should be the game they truly intended KT to be as the players have figured out all the rough edges for the past 3 years. Jump teams... Yeah seems weird but I'm hyped for city terrain. And I guess having a theme for the first season is fine
Ya, if this edition is "all jump pack models" then it's going to completely invalidate the current teams. I hope instead they make it "swap 2 operatives for a jump pack operative". You'd have the OPTION of going all jump pack, but you'd have way less operatives and at a certain point it becomes a disadvantage. Either that or "compendium" is just jump pack models and they get rid of the old kill teams entirely.
I'm wondering if the terrain that ends up coming with this new edition is going to have more verticality. Seems like the small table size of Kill Team will get really weird if it's filled with jump troops. If they make the terrain taller, and games become more three dimensional, that could be very interesting. Wish they weren't doing orks. Hate orks. Already way too much ork stuff in Kill Team. Their cartoonish nonsense is completely immersion breaking.
@@GlassHalfDead I'm kind of leery as GW has a penchant for including less and less terrain with each iteration of Kill Team. If it's going to have enough verticality to actually make game play interesting, it's also probably going to be prohibitively expansive. We're probably looking at a $300 box. That being said, I have enough 3D printed terrain to make an entire 6'x4' table look like a scene from Blade Runner and it didn't cost me nearly as much per square inch of table coverage. I'm going to be able to play some pretty sweet games with very little extra investment.
@@paladinpariah325 It's defnitely down to one's personal tastes. For example, at $300 if the terrain is good, I'll buy a second. I don't mind spending money on my hobbies.
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We're gonna get 3 years of people with wings weirdly standing on rocks, won't we.
Not Sanguinary Guard though.
It could be worse. It could be three yeas of people boring up from underground. 😉
Warp Spiders
warp spiders would be super cool
nice twist on the jump pack
@@thebattleofpelennorfieldsp6081 oh yeah of course. That would be sweet
Honestly I’m not an eldar player but if there is one army that deserves more updated models it’s the eldar.
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If Blades of Khaine adds ALL the Aspects, that's what I've been wishing for since their first mention.
I think valrak has misinterpreted some information on the leak. I dont think the edition will have all jump packs or flying without them redoing fly or jump packs or making all other teams obsolete. It might make more sense if teams in the 3rd edition box might have some jump packs, but all teams during 3rd, cant possibly have all jump packs and wings.
I agree, I don't think it would be multiple all-flying teams but perhaps each new team for this edition will have at least one flying operative. At the very least, multiple operatives with spread wings, the obvious pose for a flyer, becomes an issue for navigating between terrain or taking cover when they're much wider than other operatives and being flying, they'd struggle to hide behind anything.. They'd be very mobile but would be instantly shot to pieces, right? Realistically a creature with wings would fold them in, but poseable wings is unlikely to be a thing. Then there's the balancing issues of teams that rely on cover vs teams that can simply ignore terrain. There might be one full-flying team but I doubt most will have more than 2 flying operatives.
If Elysian drop troops aren’t released for Imperial Guards, that would be an absolute travesty.
I think a Hearthkyn team based on the Flash Gordon hawk men with metal wings would be amazing! Hawkyn, Eaglekyn, Falconkyn as possible names and the leader must have a big 2 handed mace.
Fly/jump pack is a strange push... I have a feeling that "all flying teams" are going to have some big exploits and the balancing on the day one errata will be rough.
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Stealth suits are perfect for the narrative of Kill Team
+1 Vote for Plastic Elysians, love the lore and the OG models, Only got one squad and Inquisitor Lock before they got killed off. Plastic Shrikes would also be amazing!
I’d like to see a shrike team. Three winged warriors and then basic gargoyles to go with them as the second fire team. Plus, Tyranids still play KT with their compendium rules, which is absolutely nuts considering they’re supposed to be the evil poster boys of 10th edition.
Phobos fliers would be sweet.
There is that Raven Guard guy wearing Phobos armour with jump pack. As a Phobos main I would love to see such kill team.
This might be controversial but I kinda don't care about jump units right now, honestly, and I wish they'd finish the edition of Kill Team we have. They've given us umpteen Imperial teams in particular (Marines, Imperial Guard, etc), two different Genestealer Cult Teams, two flavors of Chaos Marines, and so on... but Deathguard are still languishing, waiting for something that isn't compendium. So are Tyranids. Sisters of Battle only have one non-compendium option. The disparity is painful.
For imperial factions I think the guard deserves a jump unit the most out of all the factions. Scions makes sense but I would love to have a standard guard style jump unit instead of some scions. However I could see the jump packs being an upgrade kit so I maybe I’m being hopeful that it will be compatible with either the Scions or guardsman units
I hope its more of teams with one or two flying options rather than entire teams with fly.
XV25 Stealthsuit!!!!
@@TheBen427 How about... XV15 stealth suits??
I'd be down for new Stealthsuits.
I will be so pissed if next edition is jet pack/flying focused. Who asked for this? Why are we invalidating every old team? Who is this even for? If I wanted to play with jump pack infantry I would play 40k
@@mrduby3464 I agree. It's a really weird theme to go for. But hey, that's what we're seeing so far, so might as well try and accept it 🤷♂️
@@GlassHalfDead See what I would love to see, is a split in equipment..You have a couple different faction specific pieces like flayed skin and dynamite and then a universal set anyone can use with stuff like frags, kraks, climbing rope, whatever new jetpacks. You can spend your 10 points however you want. That way old (current) teams can still compete with whatever powercrept scion v vespid 40k stand in squads they put out. Would have been great if every team could have gotten climbing ropes for beta decima...
I think they sort of ran out of ideas for the current edition and decided to do a full reset. It’s going to be interesting to see how this shakes out.
I think in future videos you should sing the double hello sound yourself.
Really emphasise the wholesomeness
Grey Knights go the whole edition without a bespoke team. They better get some love this edition
Daemons have chaos furies and screamers of tzeentch. Bloat drones for nurgle
I really feel like they just don't fit in KT though.
There's a few teleport based units that would also work well.
If we don't get flying units we will get teleporting units. Gray Knights and Warp spiders here we go.
I reckon were getting 'jump edition' mixed up with 'terrain with proper verticality' edition - obviously flying dudes will have an easier time on that kind if terrain, but personally im hoping for built up hive terrain getting the Gallowdark treatment.
I think the most likely flying SM Kill Team would be vanguard vets. All their various weapon options count as ‘heirloom weapons’ in the 10th SM codex anyway so any new Kill Team options wouldn’t invalidate the current unit rules in the book.
Valrak followed-up this rumor with: orks vs imperial ogryns, and now he suspects, that next edition is not wholly flying stuff.
Also, he mentioned shortly that new edition is somewhat like elites - but with rules his rumors are not so accurate.
@@krzysztofdrzewiecki5618 ogryn team? Oh yeah, I'm all in!
When was that though? It wasn't in the same video was it?? If so the people who told me about the Ork bit didn't hear it
@@GlassHalfDead I think that both - ogryns and "elite-liknes" of next edition might have been on live-stream related to kill team rumor video. But I don't see his streams archived on his channel, so I cannot confirm for 100%
You could make Gargoyles stand out more as specialists than the managed to do with Mandrakes.
Nice lack of pictures of Praetorians, I have some - there's dozens of us!
Looking forward to another iteration of swooping hawks
Skyclaws for the space marines
Would be nice to have melee Gargoyles for Tyranids too
they could do destroyers for necrons, i believe they were designed as "scout" units
OMG new Swooping Hawks!
Really enjoyed the video. I am curious who you think will be the Imperium team that will go against the orks.
Nurgle/Death Guard? Giant Flies! 🪰
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I loved it. lol
Jump pack Phobos ???, Phobos already fly around the map
Normally I wouldn't have seen Valrak's stuff, and honestly I feel a bit dirty for having watched this one. He hasn't got any better.
we need jump phobos
or jump scouts !!!
I second this, as a Raven Guard collector I've been waiting for Phobos jump packs since Kayvaan Shrike came out
A double hello?! I've not seen that for some time... In all seriousness, whilst I'd like to see some plastic Elysians (I have 2000pts of old FW resin ones), there'd have to be some limitations to the gimmick or something, otherwise GW will have rendered most Kill Teams obsolete with this, as jump troops should have increased move values and agility.
(Quiet) Circle Hello. If the game is going to be balanced around jump infantry that’ll quickly self-select a lot of the old teams out of the meta.
I think the optimal jump infantry for the guard would be penal legionaries - dudes with explosive collars around their necks, a jump pack, & a really, really slim chance of getting out of the battle alive, but if they do their crimes are forgiven.
Daemons could bring back Furies, but you are right, they kinda refuse to give Deamons anything new... sad.
Just give me Stealth suits and Warp Spiders, please.
Nah, really doubt this edition will be "flying" themed. Every new team will have some sort of theme, with Orks being "Big / Small vs Big / Small" (Ratlings / Ogryns vs Mekboiz / Gretchin)
But a edition filled with only flying units would be *really* boring and take the whole "fly is special" thing away from teams. For example, right now it seems like the entire theme of Vespid is "you can fly and use that to buff neutron weapons". Giving every new team fly or something like grav-chutes would not make sense and make the 2 new teams boring
Why did it take 3 editions to give us flying units when we had them talked about since 1st?
I really don't believe all the new teams will be flying teams. The new Ork team will be brand new Tankbustas. It's still in resin and it wasn't removed from the game when the new Ork codex came out. If you look at the unit there already is a melee guy, dual pistols dude, shooting dude, etc.
Drukhari I can see Beastmaster getting a refresh. It's resin, and no longer produced. The Beastmaster and birds will both have flying.
Yes, Back to Orks and Krieg!!!
Nah Steel Legion are better and fit more for Orks
@@ventgoblin330 Ill take it.
Yeah i don't know. From the leaks i don't feel that excited for that edition tbh. Maybe if they release some new Raptors, even tho i wouldn't get into a whole new system for that. It just doesn't sound like the cool tactical skirmish game i like and rather like a flying game.
Considering how dumb Valrak is and how little he knows about Kill Team, im just going to assume he misunderstood what the next few boxes of KT are about.
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Another KT edition already? Christ.
I honestly just hate this whole concept. What a bizarre and restrictive box to put yourself if creatively for an entire edition for no actual upside
@@teejay1646 I'm mainly looking forward to seeing a rules refinement. This was a great first attempt, now they get to show what should be the game they truly intended KT to be as the players have figured out all the rough edges for the past 3 years.
Jump teams... Yeah seems weird but I'm hyped for city terrain. And I guess having a theme for the first season is fine
Valrak at this point for me is unbearable. He gets diredt leaks. Than acts like vindication is earned when ites released.
Ya, if this edition is "all jump pack models" then it's going to completely invalidate the current teams. I hope instead they make it "swap 2 operatives for a jump pack operative". You'd have the OPTION of going all jump pack, but you'd have way less operatives and at a certain point it becomes a disadvantage. Either that or "compendium" is just jump pack models and they get rid of the old kill teams entirely.
I'm wondering if the terrain that ends up coming with this new edition is going to have more verticality. Seems like the small table size of Kill Team will get really weird if it's filled with jump troops. If they make the terrain taller, and games become more three dimensional, that could be very interesting.
Wish they weren't doing orks. Hate orks. Already way too much ork stuff in Kill Team. Their cartoonish nonsense is completely immersion breaking.
@@paladinpariah325 So far all we've had is "city fight" terrain. Which I would certainly ASSUME would get up to 3 levels!
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I'm kind of leery as GW has a penchant for including less and less terrain with each iteration of Kill Team. If it's going to have enough verticality to actually make game play interesting, it's also probably going to be prohibitively expansive.
We're probably looking at a $300 box.
That being said, I have enough 3D printed terrain to make an entire 6'x4' table look like a scene from Blade Runner and it didn't cost me nearly as much per square inch of table coverage.
I'm going to be able to play some pretty sweet games with very little extra investment.
@@paladinpariah325 It's defnitely down to one's personal tastes. For example, at $300 if the terrain is good, I'll buy a second. I don't mind spending money on my hobbies.