330 watts isn't all that much. A typical burner on an electric stove is about 1,200-3,000 watts (depending on burner size and heat settings) and a typical electric oven is 2,000 to 5,000 watts (depending on heat setting).
It's still a pretty high power draw for a TV. The best thing to happen to TV's is getting transistorized. Which reminds me, a big thing that's gonna rack up costs is replacing tubes on this thing.
This outta be interesting.. I usually only run my vintage tube sets during peak hours to keep my heart rate elevated when the bill comes. Like playing the clot shot lottery..
Thanks! - The color is fantastic! The temps don't surprise me for a tube set. David Sedaris said his family's tv ran "so hot you needed an oven mitt to change the channel".Their TV was from the era of this one too. My 1969 RCA CTC-40 solid state (not new-old-stock but very low hour and cared for) and it runs AMAZINGLY cool and NO RECAP. Thanks Shango066!
Thanks for all the adventures in restoring old TVs. Some I didn't think would work again but you did it! Please use to offset power cost for the NOS series.
I really enjoyed running across this video. Your dry humor is just as good as the wise guys on Mystery Science Theatre. Allowing for the limitations of the phone camera, the TV has remarkable picture and sound quality. I'm also baffled by the placement of the volume knob behind a panel; that's only the control that's most often used, next to the channel selector? Back in my college days, I got a hand-me-down RCA color set from about 1961-62 or so, that a family member had refurbished. I can clearly remember the vibrant colors from its round CRT screen. I'm into old cars more than old electronics, but this was as much fun as finding that elusive "barn-find" Chevy with 1,000 miles on it.
You're one of the very few content creators that hold my full attention for hour plus chunks of time. About pointing: When the finger points at something I didn't see, it's welcome. Please don't change you filming techniques for anything. The dry wit, insight and sarcasm are extremely well received in my neck of the woods. One other uplifting point about your content i that it reminds me and my wife that when we completely cut the cable cord in 2011, we made a life-changing decision.
Thanks for all you do Shango, heres a little bit of $ to contribute to the cause. I always look forward to your next upload, really enjoy your sense of humor:) Hello from Alaska!!
We had an early 70's 25" Zenith that I got originally for parts It had been in a flood. The cabinet was still full of mud, so I took it out and flushed it with a garden hose. After it dried out, on a lark I decided to try running it. It came on with a good picture. After I refinished the genuine wood cabinet, we used it for 15 years. I got pretty good at adjusting convergence. One time it lost horizontal drive and a section of the horizontal output tube envelope actually sucked in.
Honestly, this is one of the coolest ideas I've seen in this vein of vintage electronics vlog I've heard of. I'll figure out my entertainment budget and see what I can toss your way to keep the costs down.
Going to enjoy watching this set’s progress.can’t fault your razor sharp whit,Shango.makes for great videos and a great channel.all the best from the Uk👍
Very cool, I restored a Packard Bell CQ-956 and installed a NOS 23vcmp22. I added a hours meter to answer the same questions,. It has the 98C19 chassis which is almost the same but has AFT. I will stay tuned, thanks for the great videos.
Back in the late sixties,early seventies,my dad sold Teledyne Packard Bell TVs and Hitachi products on the East Coast.Very rare at the time.Love your videos.Mike the Greek
Great concept and i look forward to seeing the progress. You guys in the US enjoy lower fuel prices for diesel and petrol so i was surprised at the cost of electricity for the peak time rate. Monty Burns will be dancing a jig when you turn on the power switch to that beauty. Thanks for what you do Simon Melbourne Oz.
This is such a great idea, I greatly look forward to the series and how this set plays out and what issues come up for a NOS set after sitting so long. Sounds very interesting!
Just wanted to through a little cash into the pool for this one as this seems to be a great experiment that I would watch and enjoy. Electricity here is often close to 30c/kWh (in Australia) so I understand how it feels to have high electricity costs
@@shango066 unfortunately I think you are right. The ineptitude of public officials elected and appointed to watch over this stuff is appallingly bad, let alone the demand additions they want to make with electric cars!
@@shango066 I feel for the guy in this comment mine is 23c/kWh and its one of the cheaper providers here, and the daily supply charge of 77 cents as well. A friend pays 37c per kWh and $1.45 supply its a different provider but its the same 240 V out of the powerline.
It's all an unnecessary self inflicted issue. Maybe if that states government did weaken their electrical grid by replacing all the original power sources, with unperfected solar and wind energy. then maybe they would be having all those power outages.
I live in Montreal Quebec Canada. The average cost of electricity per household is 7.3 cents per kilowatt hour. I believe that is the lowest in North America. We have a lot of hydroelectric power.
Always enjoy your candor and technical skills and expertise. Love the vintage electronics and the good old school discrete components that can be seen in action.
Very nice tee-vee! The wood cabinet is so clean that you could eat off. But mannnn! Those crazy prices, $539.95 in 1968 is worth $4,596.96 bucks in 2022. You had to be wealthy to have one of those colored tee-vees back then.
00:43:20 You have a different Jeep commercial out there. Here in Utah is depicted a random charging station in the desert on a sand dune, and drivers waving right of way to fellow Jeepists like there on a parade float. (there are areas of the state where simply buying gas would be a 100+ mile drive, without leaving the interstate highway)
As the news report showed it’s been in the triple digits lately. I’m sure the ambient outdoor temperature is having some effect on the operating temperature of the components. When the set is inside an air conditioned home and the weather mellows out perhaps the temperature of the components in the set will too. It would be interesting to see Shango take temp readings with the Flir once’s it’s inside it’s new home.
Fender used those blue ajax type caps throughout the '60s in all their amps. They very rarely go bad and fetch a good buck today. Highly regarded in the guitar world . First time I've seen them in anything other than Fender amps.
I used to live in Southern California. Where I live now electricity is a straight $.08 /Kwh. That TV would not cost that much to operate here. The TV and your planned testing is really cool.
45:00 Yes! It answers that question for me. I'm now absolutely convinced they worked great when they were new. So we need to do a great job fixing them up.
Those black bakelite caps with the red goop on the ends? I was clipping those out of RCA movie projectors in 1972-74. The goop would slowly soften and ooze out and the capacitors would dry out internally. Really surprised they're still good 60 years later. BTW that flyback seems to be retro-squirtulating some wax. Not a big problem in a dry location like LA. I might consider putting a 120VAC fan on top of that flyback cage. A $6 fan is a lot cheaper than a $50 flyback. It's going to sound a bit like a blambulance but you're somewhat used to that.
Another great video. Thank you. On the power usage thing. They do that here in Australia. To the point most households sit in darkness to save power between 5 and 9pm. And in the hotter states and territories we use air conditioners carefully. You go to shopping centres or cinemas to cool off. It’s really expensive for power and water.
About 15 cents per kWh here, all the time. A comparable Heathkit set with a 25XP22 tube was $469.95 in the 1967 catalog. I happened to glance at the parts list this morning. A replacement CRT was $189 back then. Seems like the $535 sale price on this PB really was a deal. Would love to find a good CRT for the old Heathkit.
Interesting find Shango066. In the mid 1970's when I worked as a Tech in TV shops, we used to call the Packard Bell "Pack of Hell". They were a slightly modified RCA design, with this particular one most resembling the RCA CTC-38. They were advertised to be higher quality than the RCA but, we didn't see much difference in the component quality or reliability. If you can find old service history records on this set, that would be more meaningful than running your own reliability test. Since the set has been sitting unused for 55 years, all sorts of mystery problems tend to show up over the next year when brought back to life. Even though the set has not been operated, the electrolytics still dry out but obviously, at a reduced rate since they are not being baked by all that tube heat. Yes, I know the ESR looks good but, that just tells you there is still some internal electrolyte left in the can. I think paper caps were finally phased out in TVs by about 1963, being replaced by plastic films. The plastic film caps do have a problem with the film absorbing water over time, especially with the low cost "wrap & fill" style. The better caps are epoxy dipped but, moisture will propagate through the epoxy after many years, since all plastics are hydroscopic (more or less depending upon the plastic used). That is a Really Good CRT, to have that kind of emission after all these years. I have seen unused ones go bad sitting in storage. That hot flyback is caused by a bad horizontal output tube. The Japanese tubes were very poor quality at that time. If run 24/7 in your life test, the flyback will probably die within a week's time. With all that tube heat the, the fuse will blow at a lower amperage. Normally, you fuse something at twice the typical operating current. Yes, those color tube sets typically pull 300 - 400 watts so, in addition to the load current, the air conditioning will need to run more to remove that heat from the room. In servicing TVs, I found that CRT life had a lot to do with the room it was placed in. If placed in a room with a lot of windows, often times the customer would want to keep all the curtains open during the day while watching the TV so, brightness was always at max. The second CRT killer customer type liked to simultaneously run maximum brightness, high contrast, and high color intensity.
We dont run the AC, its usually only hot a week out of the year here. We will see what fails, I will fix it thats the objective. Like those guys that find a car in a barn and try and drive it 2000 miles.
you have such a great videographer (no-spell prize material) knack. the shots of here here heere ..and that and this board or kitty. That's the best part youre Kubrick behind the camera.
I did this in the 90s. I was working for Cable TV and one customer had a spare Bush TV from about 1979. After i set up his new TV he let me take the old one, Which worked. So I put it into service at home about 1996. When the tube began to weaken I shorted out the resistor on the tube base and again got a good picture, That was all I had to do to it in about 15 years.... The family objected because the screen did not show the score at the top om Sports Games! So I changed it in 2002 for an LG which also did not show this but nobody objected! Hmm..... And yes the set still works to this day! Maybe yours will be the same!
TBH if it’s a Bush from 1979 that’s still working, that must have been the one before the T20 and T22 chassis which came out that year and there would be *NO* chance that the LOPT (flyback) would last that long. My grandad was installing those brand new and the LOPTs regularly (bordering on routinely) failed while he was still setting it up in the customer’s home! The Rank/Bush/Murphy group had been circling the toilet for some years by then (the absolute apex being the A774 black-and-white chassis made from about 1972 to 75/76, 8 out of 10 would be faulty out of the box, LOPTs would catch fire, CRTs on average lasted no more than 6 months, just utter, utter shite!). Line OuPut Transformers had never been RBM’s strong point (though the one used in the A823 and Z718 solid state colour sets of 1970-1978 had *rock solid* reliability, we’re talking Thorn Jellypot levels of ultra reliability here!) as they often used LOPTs made by Plessey but the failure rate of the LOPTs in the T20 and T22 just put the top hat on it. When installing one, my grandad always had a spare TV of the same model (the T20 and T22 was shared between several RBM models) on the van ready to go but he would try and finish off the install and set off in his van before the LOPT failed! Toshiba’s takeover of Bush around 1980/81 sorted them out! No more using crappy Plessey LOPTs, they used what Toshiba supplied them and asked them to put together to build a set!)
What a nice time capsule set. I think this is a great idea, set it up with hour meter and let it play, like normal use, and see what the TBF (time between failure) is. This will be an interesting series I believe!
@Andrew_Koala,I Dream of Jeannie always frustrated the heck out me. Here Major Nelson had this incredibly sexy genie who was madly in love with him and constantly wanted to shower him in gifts,cars,riches,anything his heart desired and he would keep rejecting her! I agree with Dr Bellows,he needed his head examined
11:00 - when TVs have been unused for that long, the cathode in the CRT goes back into a catatonic state and needs to be left to re-activate. It’s a repeat performance of the activation stage when the CRT itself was in the factory.
I'll bet when that color TV set first arrived at the showroom, it was emitting fresh images including Soviet tanks of the Prague Spring. As I remember, those were some pretty *scary* times.
In 1968, the color T.V. is consider status symbol of rich, not ordinarily citizen can effort it! I 1st saw a picture of Soviet Tank of Praque only in Black and White! Even that was originally film by B/W movie camera. The film has to be process at Major Net Work Dark Room then rolls into films reels cut and patch for final edition, then loaded in to aluminum container then send it to the airport and flew to its final designation and put it into movie screen and then added the sound track them put it to public TV. under seven O' Clock CBS news or major network!
My uncle had the first color TV in the family. He used his employee discount to buy a Zenith console that lasted well into the late 70s. It was expensive, but he did like his nice stuff.
@@johnmadow5331 In those days, this was true. If you had a color TV, you was basically king of the block. The footage of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia was exclusively in black and white, like pretty much all other news footage back then. Networks would notify their audiences ahead of time that the following program was _"in living color"_ (NBC).
@@BPJJohn A little off-topic in this thread perhaps, but the killing must stop and the Russian forces need to go back home to their families and communities.
Wow, wow, wow! Great project but the most amazing thing for me is the electricity price... I am still running a 650W 55" Plasma TV with 2 fans and I love it especially in the winter :) It's called "the fireplace". Here in Bulgaria we believe 12 cents per kilowatt hour are a really high price, and during the night it's even less...
This is museum quality, may be less than 100 hours as a floor demo since the original price tag that sold for MFRP $535.00 in 1968 that equivalent to over than $7,000.00 under our current gold standard at that time was about $40.00 troy oz.
Gold was 35/oz from 1932 to 1971, at least as far as money goes. Plus, after 1932, money was no longer redeemable in gold, only silver. Also, you really have to take inflation calculators or even gold conversion rates with a grain of salt. Gold was MASSIVELY under-priced before the Nixon default which came after 2 revaluations. The US went on a massive spending spree in the 40s and never rolled it back. 46 and 47 saw fairly large reductions in government spending, but it quickly reached ww2 level spending very quickly. We have been a war footing for 80 years. Plus, the 60s was particularly bad for this. The last time the national debt had a year over year decrease was in the very early 60s. But you had the war on poverty, Vietnam, the moon mission. Plus all the chaos of the 60s and all of it cost a fortune and the government paid with printed money. That's one of the reasons gold was so underpriced. The under-price is specifically why Nixon defaulted.
@@gordonwelcher9598 My family had a color TV for as long as I can remember and that maybe goes back to 73. Very similar to this one. (like a 25" console) and we were by no means rich.
The cost of the electrical grid is but one reason I left Commiefornia last November. Our power meter was charging about 30% more than we actually used. I complained to So Cal Edison, and they said, no it is correct. When we were looking out of state for property, we left the house for over 2 billing cycles so I had a constant load that was easily calculated and the meter was plus 30% yet So Cal Edison said no it is correct. We had a $1600 bill for one month of service one hot summer. They over charged us for more than 15 years from the time they installed the "new electronic" meter. You need to get the heck out of that state.
What a superb picture for a television set from the late 60's. I would imagine if you were one of the few to have owned one of these sets back in the day, you would be considered very lucky. I definitely wouldn't have a problem watching any present day programming on this set in 2022, although the picture from this set would totally be 100 times the quality than current day programming that I would be watching on it...lol 😆
You may want to think about adding composite video and audio input lacks? You could just mount a bracket with the jacks and switch on an existing chassis screw as make the mod reversible. BTW, on the power consumption, I just noted the other day that a new model 65in Panasonic OLED takes 300 watts!
They are getting to us lol. I never did even think of how much juice my toys took until the last few years. I live in Kentucky and I ensure you we have enough of the black rock to have free electric for everyone for generations to come.
Depending on the place this TV will live, it could last quite a long time if it's not hot or humid. Back in the early 70's, my family went on vacation for a week in July and the A/C was off in the house (in Illinois). When we got back, it was hot an humid in the house. Turned on the TV (1968 RCA 19 inch) and the flyback blew up in a stinky cloud of electric mayhem. Can't remember what all was replaced over the years we used it as main TV, but about every two years, something was fixed, usually just a tube, though I think the UHF tuner died at some point and was changed. This TV was used heavily 6-8 hours a day from 1968 to 1981 and then semi-retired. The replacement Zenith solid state 19 inch portable only lasted a few years. Replaced that with a RCA 26 inch console that only lasted about ten years. I think 60's vintage seemed to be the best built.
Vintage RCA, especially before they went all PC board hybrids, was top drawer BW or color television. They dived deeply into most/all PC board chassis during the Hybrid era. Long tube burning, 6 or 8 or nine bulbs plus massive CRT ... that color TV hybrid era was the start of end for RCA as leadership in consumer electronics. Shortly into solid state era they became a brand. Today the moniker is meaningless in that what is in the box might be from anywhere and made by anyone.
@@d.c.hammond130 Yep, our '68 RCA had PC boards, no hybrid. Lucky the heat didn't cook the boards or wreck the tube sockets per usual. This was our first color TV. Cost LOT$. It replaced a dead 1952 Sylvania B&W console that couldn't be fixed any more.
I also love the irony of watching the conserve energy segment on a television that is consuming 330 W
330 watts isn't all that much. A typical burner on an electric stove is about 1,200-3,000 watts (depending on burner size and heat settings) and a typical electric oven is 2,000 to 5,000 watts (depending on heat setting).
It's still a pretty high power draw for a TV. The best thing to happen to TV's is getting transistorized. Which reminds me, a big thing that's gonna rack up costs is replacing tubes on this thing.
This outta be interesting.. I usually only run my vintage tube sets during peak hours to keep my heart rate elevated when the bill comes. Like playing the clot shot lottery..
I no play that game...
Ought to
Thanks! Looking forward to seeing the progression of this experiment.
If this was new in '68, the benchmark will be if it lasts long enough to watch Nixon's "I'm not a crook" speech.
Or even the abominations that replaced him.
Or news coverage on the Vietnam War which was started by Democrats
The dude was a crook, but NOT because 'MUH Watergate'...
@@TapesNstuffS Like Carter, Clinton, Obummer, and Brandon?
@@Ichijoe2112 Indeed
Thanks! - The color is fantastic! The temps don't surprise me for a tube set. David Sedaris said his family's tv ran "so hot you needed an oven mitt to change the channel".Their TV was from the era of this one too. My 1969 RCA CTC-40 solid state (not new-old-stock but very low hour and cared for) and it runs AMAZINGLY cool and NO RECAP. Thanks Shango066!
Here, have some funds for this project. I'm definitely interested to see how this plays out.
epic! thank you
Thanks for all the adventures in restoring old TVs. Some I didn't think would work again but you did it! Please use to offset power cost for the NOS series.
What's the "10$" sign mean?
@@boazrefaely1205 He donated that to the channel.
Best of luck with your new project! Looking forward to seeing how the NOS Packard Bell holds out!
Thanks looking forward to the journey :-)
Thanks! I always look forward to your videos.
Thanks! Great idea, I'd love to see a $$ per hour on that beast
We know the wattage consumption and we have an hour meter so we can figure out a lot of info
@@shango066 It would be good to buy a 500w solar panel and a cheap pure sine wave inverter to run this sucker.
@@Omegaman1969 cool idea
I really enjoyed running across this video. Your dry humor is just as good as the wise guys on Mystery Science Theatre. Allowing for the limitations of the phone camera, the TV has remarkable picture and sound quality. I'm also baffled by the placement of the volume knob behind a panel; that's only the control that's most often used, next to the channel selector? Back in my college days, I got a hand-me-down RCA color set from about 1961-62 or so, that a family member had refurbished. I can clearly remember the vibrant colors from its round CRT screen. I'm into old cars more than old electronics, but this was as much fun as finding that elusive "barn-find" Chevy with 1,000 miles on it.
I'm in. I really enjoy real-world tests like this! Thanks much!
Back in the good old days of the USA. Packard Bell built that plant in 1953 in CA, now it is some gaming building. Nothing ever gets better
Certainly not in California.
@Robin Sattahip,You can say that again!
@@Suddenlyits1960 The only thing that has gotten better is pron
You're one of the very few content creators that hold my full attention for hour plus chunks of time. About pointing: When the finger points at something I didn't see, it's welcome. Please don't change you filming techniques for anything. The dry wit, insight and sarcasm are extremely well received in my neck of the woods. One other uplifting point about your content i that it reminds me and my wife that when we completely cut the cable cord in 2011, we made a life-changing decision.
Thanks for all you do Shango, heres a little bit of $ to contribute to the cause.
I always look forward to your next upload, really enjoy your sense of humor:)
Hello from Alaska!!
for the experiment thanks for the content
Thanks! Interesting idea! Can’t wait to watch the progress.
Thanks!
Thank you for doing honest good work and helping people learn
We had an early 70's 25" Zenith that I got originally for parts It had been in a flood. The cabinet was still full of mud, so I took it out and flushed it with a garden hose. After it dried out, on a lark I decided to try running it. It came on with a good picture. After I refinished the genuine wood cabinet, we used it for 15 years. I got pretty good at adjusting convergence. One time it lost horizontal drive and a section of the horizontal output tube envelope actually sucked in.
Was it made on America?
I think the controls behind the door was to discourage 2-3 yr old children from controlling the tv.
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Honestly, this is one of the coolest ideas I've seen in this vein of vintage electronics vlog I've heard of. I'll figure out my entertainment budget and see what I can toss your way to keep the costs down.
Going to enjoy watching this set’s progress.can’t fault your razor sharp whit,Shango.makes for great videos and a great channel.all the best from the Uk👍
Well that is fun awesome entertainment it’s cool to see a brand new old stock don’t see them to often
Very cool, I restored a Packard Bell CQ-956 and installed a NOS 23vcmp22. I added a hours meter to answer the same questions,. It has the 98C19 chassis which is almost the same but has AFT. I will stay tuned, thanks for the great videos.
Back in the late sixties,early seventies,my dad sold Teledyne Packard Bell TVs and Hitachi products on the East Coast.Very rare at the time.Love your videos.Mike the Greek
I look forward to the Saturday videos from Shango just like cartoons when I was a kid in the 70's. Saturday is Shango day.
I watch Shango's channel on my old B/W CRT on purpose. Love you man, and thank you - you educationalate me so much.
Great concept and i look forward to seeing the progress.
You guys in the US enjoy lower fuel prices for diesel and petrol so i was surprised at the cost of electricity for the peak time rate. Monty Burns will be dancing a jig when you turn on the power switch to that beauty.
Thanks for what you do
Simon Melbourne Oz.
That’s California. Most other states are 20 cents or less per kilowatt hour.
This is such a great idea, I greatly look forward to the series and how this set plays out and what issues come up for a NOS set after sitting so long. Sounds very interesting!
This will be an interesting series to follow and monitor how reliable this set actually runs and performs.Happy to donate a few bucks along the way.
Gorgeous looking old set.
That halo around the screen was pretty normal in my neighborhood
As a child of the sixty's/seventy's these videos bring back so many memories.
I love the idea of this experiment. Can't wait to see what kind of longevity an NOS set can get, at least for this one example.
Just wanted to through a little cash into the pool for this one as this seems to be a great experiment that I would watch and enjoy.
Electricity here is often close to 30c/kWh (in Australia) so I understand how it feels to have high electricity costs
Its going to be world wide, we are just ahead of the rest. Thanks man
@@shango066 unfortunately I think you are right. The ineptitude of public officials elected and appointed to watch over this stuff is appallingly bad, let alone the demand additions they want to make with electric cars!
@@shango066 I feel for the guy in this comment mine is 23c/kWh and its one of the cheaper providers here, and the daily supply charge of 77 cents as well. A friend pays 37c per kWh and $1.45 supply its a different provider but its the same 240 V out of the powerline.
@@steviebboy69 You are being cheated, they only give you 50 cycles.
@@gordonwelcher9598 Yes we are shorted 10 Cycles, but get double the jolts heheh well Volts but I just thought I would put that there.
Go all electric! But then we tell you when and when not to use your power to conserve the grid, as if people couldn't see it coming.
It's all an unnecessary self inflicted issue. Maybe if that states government did weaken their electrical grid by replacing all the original power sources, with unperfected solar and wind energy. then maybe they would be having all those power outages.
I live in Montreal Quebec Canada.
The average cost of electricity per household is 7.3 cents per kilowatt hour. I believe that is the lowest in North America. We have a lot of hydroelectric power.
Thanks to the drought our Hydro is suffering
9.3 c/kWh in Manitoba, also mainly hydroelectric.
That is a piece of nostalgia, for a TV set. Imagine what was watched on a TV like that, during that time period. Cheers! ✌️
It would have been amazing if you were upgrading from black and white. I bet the kids were excited to see their looney toons in glorious technicolor
Always enjoy your candor and technical skills and expertise. Love the vintage electronics and the good old school discrete components that can be seen in action.
Thank you for your videos. I have Parkinson's and am confined to bed a lot so I look forward to watching you on Saturdays.
should be good Thanks!
Basic set with a series and expert analysis. Will watch, learn, enjoy, fall asleep, and wake up to this video series. Because it's great.
Very nice tee-vee! The wood cabinet is so clean that you could eat off. But mannnn! Those crazy prices, $539.95 in 1968 is worth $4,596.96 bucks in 2022. You had to be wealthy to have one of those colored tee-vees back then.
My dad used to work at Teledyne as a TV repair man before he became an engineer , these TV's bring back fond memories.
00:43:20 You have a different Jeep commercial out there. Here in Utah is depicted a random charging station in the desert on a sand dune, and drivers waving right of way to fellow Jeepists like there on a parade float. (there are areas of the state where simply buying gas would be a 100+ mile drive, without leaving the interstate highway)
That thing has a great picture gave me a semi chub.
You want these old vacuum tubes I have I'll send them out to ya
As the news report showed it’s been in the triple digits lately. I’m sure the ambient outdoor temperature is having some effect on the operating temperature of the components. When the set is inside an air conditioned home and the weather mellows out perhaps the temperature of the components in the set will too. It would be interesting to see Shango take temp readings with the Flir once’s it’s inside it’s new home.
True. Ambient over 90 degrees, there's no cooling.
Fender used those blue ajax type caps throughout the '60s in all their amps. They very rarely go bad and fetch a good buck today. Highly regarded in the guitar world . First time I've seen them in anything other than Fender amps.
Ajax caps. I don't even bother testing them anymore as they are never bad.
arent those made by mallory?
@@KrisisVal @14:03 Yes, those shiny blue caps were made by Mallory.
Yes never saw them in anything else than Fender.
I used to live in Southern California. Where I live now electricity is a straight $.08 /Kwh. That TV would not cost that much to operate here. The TV and your planned testing is really cool.
I am paying about 23 cents per kWh, which is cheap some pay over 35 depending on supplier as well as the 77 cent daily supply charge.
@@steviebboy69 Hard to imagine having to pay rates that high.
@@multicyclist Well that is the prices of electricity in Australia.
I feel for you and hope your energy situation gets better for Australia and for California also.
Over an hour of shango knowledge. Awesome.
I can't wait to follow the life of this set. Thanks, Shango!
This is a fantastic idea for a series! Color is nice on that set. Best TH-cam channel hands down.
45:00 Yes! It answers that question for me. I'm now absolutely convinced they worked great when they were new. So we need to do a great job fixing them up.
Those black bakelite caps with the red goop on the ends? I was clipping those out of RCA movie projectors in 1972-74. The goop would slowly soften and ooze out and the capacitors would dry out internally. Really surprised they're still good 60 years later.
BTW that flyback seems to be retro-squirtulating some wax. Not a big problem in a dry location like LA. I might consider putting a 120VAC fan on top of that flyback cage. A $6 fan is a lot cheaper than a $50 flyback. It's going to sound a bit like a blambulance but you're somewhat used to that.
I was thinking about the caps also, at least we know where the failures are going to start.
Another great video. Thank you. On the power usage thing. They do that here in Australia. To the point most households sit in darkness to save power between 5 and 9pm. And in the hotter states and territories we use air conditioners carefully. You go to shopping centres or cinemas to cool off. It’s really expensive for power and water.
This set is amazing I would love it. Look forward to see how it performs.
Experiment is great thing! I'm going to follow!
Those blue molded caps are made by Mallory, they're polyester/mylar caps and are relatively reliable.
About 15 cents per kWh here, all the time.
A comparable Heathkit set with a 25XP22 tube was $469.95 in the 1967 catalog. I happened to glance at the parts list this morning. A replacement CRT was $189 back then. Seems like the $535 sale price on this PB really was a deal.
Would love to find a good CRT for the old Heathkit.
Great picture on that T.V. I'm looking forward to this experiment.
Interesting find Shango066. In the mid 1970's when I worked as a Tech in TV shops, we used to call the Packard Bell "Pack of Hell". They were a slightly modified RCA design, with this particular one most resembling the RCA CTC-38. They were advertised to be higher quality than the RCA but, we didn't see much difference in the component quality or reliability.
If you can find old service history records on this set, that would be more meaningful than running your own reliability test. Since the set has been sitting unused for 55 years, all sorts of mystery problems tend to show up over the next year when brought back to life. Even though the set has not been operated, the electrolytics still dry out but obviously, at a reduced rate since they are not being baked by all that tube heat. Yes, I know the ESR looks good but, that just tells you there is still some internal electrolyte left in the can.
I think paper caps were finally phased out in TVs by about 1963, being replaced by plastic films. The plastic film caps do have a problem with the film absorbing water over time, especially with the low cost "wrap & fill" style. The better caps are epoxy dipped but, moisture will propagate through the epoxy after many years, since all plastics are hydroscopic (more or less depending upon the plastic used).
That is a Really Good CRT, to have that kind of emission after all these years. I have seen unused ones go bad sitting in storage.
That hot flyback is caused by a bad horizontal output tube. The Japanese tubes were very poor quality at that time. If run 24/7 in your life test, the flyback will probably die within a week's time.
With all that tube heat the, the fuse will blow at a lower amperage. Normally, you fuse something at twice the typical operating current.
Yes, those color tube sets typically pull 300 - 400 watts so, in addition to the load current, the air conditioning will need to run more to remove that heat from the room.
In servicing TVs, I found that CRT life had a lot to do with the room it was placed in. If placed in a room with a lot of windows, often times the customer would want to keep all the curtains open during the day while watching the TV so, brightness was always at max. The second CRT killer customer type liked to simultaneously run maximum brightness, high contrast, and high color intensity.
We dont run the AC, its usually only hot a week out of the year here. We will see what fails, I will fix it thats the objective. Like those guys that find a car in a barn and try and drive it 2000 miles.
@@shango066 I'm sure it will be an eye opener!
you have such a great videographer (no-spell prize material) knack. the shots of here here heere ..and that and this board or kitty. That's the best part youre Kubrick behind the camera.
Very nice set looking forward to future up to date videos shangos videos are always top notch and very informative
I did this in the 90s. I was working for Cable TV and one customer had a spare Bush TV from about 1979. After i set up his new TV he let me take the old one, Which worked. So I put it into service at home about 1996. When the tube began to weaken I shorted out the resistor on the tube base and again got a good picture, That was all I had to do to it in about 15 years.... The family objected because the screen did not show the score at the top om Sports Games! So I changed it in 2002 for an LG which also did not show this but nobody objected! Hmm..... And yes the set still works to this day! Maybe yours will be the same!
But TV from 1979 was solid state, not tube one.
TBH if it’s a Bush from 1979 that’s still working, that must have been the one before the T20 and T22 chassis which came out that year and there would be *NO* chance that the LOPT (flyback) would last that long.
My grandad was installing those brand new and the LOPTs regularly (bordering on routinely) failed while he was still setting it up in the customer’s home!
The Rank/Bush/Murphy group had been circling the toilet for some years by then (the absolute apex being the A774 black-and-white chassis made from about 1972 to 75/76, 8 out of 10 would be faulty out of the box, LOPTs would catch fire, CRTs on average lasted no more than 6 months, just utter, utter shite!). Line OuPut Transformers had never been RBM’s strong point (though the one used in the A823 and Z718 solid state colour sets of 1970-1978 had *rock solid* reliability, we’re talking Thorn Jellypot levels of ultra reliability here!) as they often used LOPTs made by Plessey but the failure rate of the LOPTs in the T20 and T22 just put the top hat on it. When installing one, my grandad always had a spare TV of the same model (the T20 and T22 was shared between several RBM models) on the van ready to go but he would try and finish off the install and set off in his van before the LOPT failed!
Toshiba’s takeover of Bush around 1980/81 sorted them out! No more using crappy Plessey LOPTs, they used what Toshiba supplied them and asked them to put together to build a set!)
What a nice time capsule set. I think this is a great idea, set it up with hour meter and let it play, like normal use, and see what the TBF (time between failure) is. This will be an interesting series I believe!
Thanks Obama!
I know all the old tube nubers show. Brings back memories.
That would cost about a dollar a day to run in SE PA. Look forward to watching your experiment unfold.
@49:20 I realized the cricket’s sound was coming from the video stream. - 🙉 🎈
The good old days, 8 mpg and a 340 watt I Dream of Jeanie.
@Andrew_Koala,I Dream of Jeannie always frustrated the heck out me.
Here Major Nelson had this incredibly sexy genie who was madly in love with him and constantly wanted to shower him in gifts,cars,riches,anything his heart desired and he would keep rejecting her! I agree with Dr Bellows,he needed his head examined
@Andrew_koala It was fun watching Marshall Matt Dillon kill another psychopath every week. (Gunsmoke).
I had no idea Packard Bell made TV's. I can't wait to see it run.
11:00 - when TVs have been unused for that long, the cathode in the CRT goes back into a catatonic state and needs to be left to re-activate. It’s a repeat performance of the activation stage when the CRT itself was in the factory.
It's so cool to find NOS stuff like this.
I was installing cable TV in the early 70s and I like to see some of the old sets I encountered
I'll bet when that color TV set first arrived at the showroom, it was emitting fresh images including Soviet tanks of the Prague Spring. As I remember, those were some pretty *scary* times.
In 1968, the color T.V. is consider status symbol of rich, not ordinarily citizen can effort it! I 1st saw a picture of Soviet Tank of Praque only in Black and White! Even that was originally film by B/W movie camera. The film has to be process at Major Net Work Dark Room then rolls into films reels cut and patch for final edition, then loaded in to aluminum container then send it to the airport and flew to its final designation and put it into movie screen and then added the sound track them put it to public TV. under seven O' Clock CBS news or major network!
My uncle had the first color TV in the family. He used his employee discount to buy a Zenith console that lasted well into the late 70s. It was expensive, but he did like his nice stuff.
@@johnmadow5331 In those days, this was true. If you had a color TV, you was basically king of the block. The footage of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia was exclusively in black and white, like pretty much all other news footage back then. Networks would notify their audiences ahead of time that the following program was _"in living color"_ (NBC).
Now it'll just show Russian troops retreating from Ukraine.
@@BPJJohn A little off-topic in this thread perhaps, but the killing must stop and the Russian forces need to go back home to their families and communities.
It's not like you would ever need to access the volume control, but the "ICP"... that is super-important for easy access on a continuous basis. LOL!!
Yeah. I’m honestly amazed that nobody challenged that decision during the design phase of the set.
lol love it when you had the exercise commercial on and you started to mock it lol i was laughing my ass off keep the great vids up!!
Wow, wow, wow! Great project but the most amazing thing for me is the electricity price... I am still running a 650W 55" Plasma TV with 2 fans and I love it especially in the winter :) It's called "the fireplace". Here in Bulgaria we believe 12 cents per kilowatt hour are a really high price, and during the night it's even less...
This is museum quality, may be less than 100 hours as a floor demo since the original price tag that sold for MFRP $535.00 in 1968 that equivalent to over than $7,000.00 under our current gold standard at that time was about $40.00 troy oz.
Gold was 35/oz from 1932 to 1971, at least as far as money goes. Plus, after 1932, money was no longer redeemable in gold, only silver.
Also, you really have to take inflation calculators or even gold conversion rates with a grain of salt. Gold was MASSIVELY under-priced before the Nixon default which came after 2 revaluations. The US went on a massive spending spree in the 40s and never rolled it back. 46 and 47 saw fairly large reductions in government spending, but it quickly reached ww2 level spending very quickly. We have been a war footing for 80 years.
Plus, the 60s was particularly bad for this. The last time the national debt had a year over year decrease was in the very early 60s. But you had the war on poverty, Vietnam, the moon mission. Plus all the chaos of the 60s and all of it cost a fortune and the government paid with printed money. That's one of the reasons gold was so underpriced. The under-price is specifically why Nixon defaulted.
O Lord, won't you buy me a color tv?
@@gordonwelcher9598 My parents can not even effort even a used one in NTSC in 1968! The PAL-AM colour TV cost about $1.8k in Thailand back then.
@@johnmadow5331 Color TV was a real luxury back then. My family got a color TV in 1974. What I wrote are words to a song.
@@gordonwelcher9598 My family had a color TV for as long as I can remember and that maybe goes back to 73. Very similar to this one. (like a 25" console) and we were by no means rich.
49:30 "You know those electric cars we've been paying you to buy? Yeah, don't plug them in please....or we'll come out and kick your ass!"
Doesn’t the instruction booklet say the circle at the bottom is a remote sensor?
this would have a seperate large remote receiver chassis in it with more tubes if it accepted a remote, he would have absolutely noticed that.
The cost of the electrical grid is but one reason I left Commiefornia last November. Our power meter was charging about 30% more than we actually used. I complained to So Cal Edison, and they said, no it is correct. When we were looking out of state for property, we left the house for over 2 billing cycles so I had a constant load that was easily calculated and the meter was plus 30% yet So Cal Edison said no it is correct. We had a $1600 bill for one month of service one hot summer. They over charged us for more than 15 years from the time they installed the "new electronic" meter. You need to get the heck out of that state.
17:04 That board has a Croname Inc EIA code on it. Packard Bell was EIA 254.
What a superb picture for a television set from the late 60's. I would imagine if you were one of the few to have owned one of these sets back in the day, you would be considered very lucky. I definitely wouldn't have a problem watching any present day programming on this set in 2022, although the picture from this set would totally be 100 times the quality than current day programming that I would be watching on it...lol 😆
Perfect timing for that kind of power consumption...
41:40 Where do they find these people!!!!!
I opted out of TOU electricity pricing and got grandfathered into flat tier. There was only a small timeframe to do so.
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You may want to think about adding composite video and audio input lacks? You could just mount a bracket with the jacks and switch on an existing chassis screw as make the mod reversible.
BTW, on the power consumption, I just noted the other day that a new model 65in Panasonic OLED takes 300 watts!
Might be RCA jacks to make that easier
With the flyback losing wax, maybe a store demo ?
They are getting to us lol. I never did even think of how much juice my toys took until the last few years. I live in Kentucky and I ensure you we have enough of the black rock to have free electric for everyone for generations to come.
Kind of a stretch calling this a NOS set; that flyback wax takes quite a few hours of runtime to drip out like that (20:48).
I must not be the only one interested in watching old TVs.
The accident and injury song is hypnotic.
Depending on the place this TV will live, it could last quite a long time if it's not hot or humid. Back in the early 70's, my family went on vacation for a week in July and the A/C was off in the house (in Illinois). When we got back, it was hot an humid in the house. Turned on the TV (1968 RCA 19 inch) and the flyback blew up in a stinky cloud of electric mayhem. Can't remember what all was replaced over the years we used it as main TV, but about every two years, something was fixed, usually just a tube, though I think the UHF tuner died at some point and was changed. This TV was used heavily 6-8 hours a day from 1968 to 1981 and then semi-retired. The replacement Zenith solid state 19 inch portable only lasted a few years. Replaced that with a RCA 26 inch console that only lasted about ten years. I think 60's vintage seemed to be the best built.
Vintage RCA, especially before they went all PC board hybrids, was top drawer BW or color television. They dived deeply into most/all PC board chassis during the Hybrid era. Long tube burning, 6 or 8 or nine bulbs plus massive CRT ... that color TV hybrid era was the start of end for RCA as leadership in consumer electronics. Shortly into solid state era they became a brand. Today the moniker is meaningless in that what is in the box might be from anywhere and made by anyone.
@@d.c.hammond130 Yep, our '68 RCA had PC boards, no hybrid. Lucky the heat didn't cook the boards or wreck the tube sockets per usual. This was our first color TV. Cost LOT$. It replaced a dead 1952 Sylvania B&W console that couldn't be fixed any more.
Here in Southwest Ohio, Electricity is the same price day or night.
Nice picture
We had a bad week of record heat. Been doing rolling black outs for 30 years. But now it's due to EVs because FOX NEWS says so.
@@d.c.hammond130 No, it is due to stupid democrat green policies.
Good idea. Look forward to this series of videos.
wow I've never seen pixels like that before. I'm used to the Red Green and blue being little rectangle shapes in sets of three.
It's amazing those sets lasted as long as they did without a fan inside.
Convection
40:16 was the best part!🤣