Very helpful video. Thanks. Another notable thing about his forehand is how thoroughly he accelerates through the ball. All the leg hip and shoulder rotation that you point out along with his completely committed follow through. There is no element of his swing that slows his racquet down. He doesn't try to slow down his follow through using muscle strength. It just goes til his arm has no more room to wrap around his body. His kinetic chain is perfect.
Thanks John. Great footage with superb sequenced analytical breakdowns. The double dynamic open stance is one move that would be hugely beneficial for all the viewers here to master. The takeaway here for me is his clean & complete racquet takeback extension which occurs so quickly, always levereging off of his left foot allowing him to ample time to measure his right foot plant with only the forward phase of the swing to execute. Most of us struggle with this order. Only practice & repetition can streamline hitting a forehand on the move with this degree of articulation & intention. Love your work and Sinner's to for that matter!
Thanks, John for your feedback and contribution to the video. I totally agree getting the sequencing right takes a lot of practice and understanding. Best, John
Always thought my son’s forehand technique was sub par with such a bent arm in forehand extension and then you see a number one ranked player with a similar technique. Technique is important but it’s the reason why all the best baseball hitters have different swings. Fundamentals need to be there but the form and style can be different.
Hi John Your analysis is incredible and it’s very helpful so see that the source of power is the coordination of the body rather than the elusive racket head speed. In particular, is the pulling of the left arm and pushing of the right leg similar to what we’re meant to do on the serve? I haven’t quite mastered it yet but maybe I can improve by building the movement into my forehand.
Hi John, thanks for the video. That’s the most informative and detailed video I have ever watched regarding Sinner’s forehand! Just would want to ask about one thing, how does he get to the back fence position after the coil? Does he pull the right arm backward or does he put the racket towards the back like the “tap the dog” concept? Many thanks, Joey
Long arms, extremely limber. Travel of his hitting elbow is amazing. Overall length of his forward swing, also phenomenal. If Federer's forehand was a whip, Sinner's is a mace.
@@PerformancePlusTennis No, Sinner uses a pro-stock version of the HEAD Graphene Touch Speed MP. That’s a completely different mold (22mm vs 23mm beam) and string drill pattern (shared holes vs no shared) from the Speed MP 2024. Sinner isn’t even using the Speed MP 2024 paintjob!
Thanks John, great analysis as ever. One area you did not mention was the supination of the forearm prior to contact. Pronation in unit turn, and pronation in follow through. Nadal does this a lot as well. What does that movement do to assist in producing a world class forehand? Is it something we amateurs should attempt to emulate? Very few coaches even mention it.
Check out TPA tennis who mentions supination quite a few times. Agree it's important but less talked about. You could almost argue that all advanced players do the supinate-pronate just before contact and that pros have optimised this for maximum effect.
Disagree with the nex gen forehand behind more difficult. I switched from modern to the next gen, it was significantly easier. The reason being that the timing the rhythm from the racquet drop to accelerate was really difficult to time. But with the next gen, the strings facing the back feels more natural, you are just placing the racquet behind and unloading. Its a much much easier motion to get correct because you can determine the speed of when the strings face the back fence, the automatic elbow separation means the elbow is already in place so you dont have to consciously work on that part as well. I think the problem with all these videos saying its hard is because all these coachs have learnt the class and the modern forehand for so long its ingrained in them an thats why this seems "complex" but honestly Its actually more simplified.
What a great detailed analysis. Extremely helpful and interesting. I noticed that he does not appear to have his head looking at the ball, ala Federer, but instead appears to be peering forward. Also, he finishes most times with a wraparound around the head. Would it be ok to instead wrap around the body, or would that break the kinetic chain. Or is a head or a body wrap around finish, dependent on the ball.
Seems like sinner utilize seesaw effect from the shoulder more than the mainly rotational style like federer or alcaraz. Look at his shoulder position. First even, then the shoulder of non dominant arm goes upward while shoulder of the hitting arm is lower.
I think the major problem with this type of forehand is when you want to return serve > 120 mil/hr .... I am a BIG fan of simple short backswing like Johny Mac , the simplest forehand EVER and most effective for return of serve EVER . ONE size fit for ALL different forehand stoke ( mid court forehand , running forehand , disguised forehand drop shot, return, underspin forehand , squash type of forehand when you stretched out I mean with Johny mac forhand motion all same grip and same short backswing and VERY simple .....just watch Johny mac against Boris at Australian open how beautifully he return with VERY simple effective continental forehand . th-cam.com/video/Bbkl05sJ0SA/w-d-xo.html
Forehand with bent elbow is absolutely low quality tennis. Much better Alcaraz and obviously Maestro Roger. Sinner very bad example for kids in tennis schools. Said by an Italian.
Thanks for your opinion. There have been plenty of "double bend forehands" at the highest level of the game including Djokovic, Sinner and Medvedev right now. Sinner has the highest performing forehand on the ATP tour in 2024. To be clear, I am not advocating bend over straight...it's a matter of personal style.
In my opinion there is no secret haha. Professional tennis players have decades of experience, strength, conditioning, mobility, etc etc etc. No amount of technique advise via TH-cam is going to enhance a recreational player into a pro player stroke. Small incremental improvements is what most should strive for as it will be more realistic. Whether that's with online assistance, in person lessons and so on will depend on the individual.
@@topspin1715 I agree with your comment ; my “Oh, do tell” was meant facetiously … P.S. I would add “watch the ball”, a la Federer, but after a few years of trying I’m still falling well short of that mark …..
Sorry Tim, but that is a ridiculous comment. Yes, the racquets and strings greatly improve performance, but these athletes are far superior to players in the 80's and before. There is not stopping the progress of improved speed, power, agility and endurance. Perhaps you remember Chip Hooper? He came on the ATP scene in the 80's at 6'6", and was a clumsy player compared to all the 6'5'+++ players on tour today.
@@PerformancePlusTennis You are being fooled, the equipment today gives the player the power, the top spin and the control, there is no need to develop those skills, there is little athletcisim today, they are using the equipment, they stand on the baseline, the use a wimpy 2HBH, they have no idea how to volley, half court volley, net volley drop shot, its a one dimensional game now. 85% of the players playing today would not be playing professional if they had to use real equipment. And no real major sport would alter its equipment to make it easier to play, that's called a handicap. The stats are all skewed today as well. Sprinting on the court is not an attribute of being an athlete, anyone can sprint. The previous gen players had it all, they had to play the actual game with no help and no handicaps. If you disagree, try putting real equipment in the hands of todays players, their performance drops 90%, this is a fact. What you are seeing today is an illusion.
@@TimTheMusicMan Thanks for sharing your opinion. However, I think many would disagree with you. Yes the equipment has changed, but to say "they use a wimpy 2HBH (2 handed backhands have been around 50 years now), they have no idea how to volley, half court volley, net volley drop shot, it's a one dimensional game now" is over the top. Anyone can sprint? Give me a break. You need to get on the court with a top 500 player to understand the skill and speed they have. The game has changed for sure, and tactics have adapted. Look at all the players still using the slice backhand, hitting drop shots, touch volleys, etc. Again, you need to get on the court with top player so you can experience the skill and athleticism they bring to the game. And the stats? Ask Craig over at Brain Game Tennis...he is the leading stat guy in tennis...he will also disagree....best, John
There’s nothing special about his forehand. The so called next gen is nothing special. This is basically “because your number 1 the forehand is the best or because you’re in the atp tour you’re forehand is special. It’s athleticism and experience.
Most helpful tennis TH-cam video under 40 min I’ve ever seen thanks!!
Thank you so much, I hope you enjoy and benefit from all the content here on the channel! Kindly, John
Very helpful video. Thanks. Another notable thing about his forehand is how thoroughly he accelerates through the ball. All the leg hip and shoulder rotation that you point out along with his completely committed follow through. There is no element of his swing that slows his racquet down. He doesn't try to slow down his follow through using muscle strength. It just goes til his arm has no more room to wrap around his body. His kinetic chain is perfect.
Thanks John. Great footage with superb sequenced analytical breakdowns. The double dynamic open stance is one move that would be hugely beneficial for all the viewers here to master. The takeaway here for me is his clean & complete racquet takeback extension which occurs so quickly, always levereging off of his left foot allowing him to ample time to measure his right foot plant with only the forward phase of the swing to execute. Most of us struggle with this order. Only practice & repetition can streamline hitting a forehand on the move with this degree of articulation & intention. Love your work and Sinner's to for that matter!
Thanks, John for your feedback and contribution to the video. I totally agree getting the sequencing right takes a lot of practice and understanding. Best, John
yeah doubly good because he nailed it into the net. It's just a defensive hop step and sinner failed to hit it high enough.
Great, detailed analysis. Many thanks!
Thank you, Jeremy! Best, John
Always thought my son’s forehand technique was sub par with such a bent arm in forehand extension and then you see a number one ranked player with a similar technique. Technique is important but it’s the reason why all the best baseball hitters have different swings. Fundamentals need to be there but the form and style can be different.
@@Me2EyeSay Very well stated…thank you!
Amazing analysis,,Thank you.
Thank you so much for the feedback! Best, John
Thanks John , 8:45, I struggle with mid high ball strike zone and looking to work on your tips.
Hi John Your analysis is incredible and it’s very helpful so see that the source of power is the coordination of the body rather than the elusive racket head speed. In particular, is the pulling of the left arm and pushing of the right leg similar to what we’re meant to do on the serve? I haven’t quite mastered it yet but maybe I can improve by building the movement into my forehand.
Hi John, thanks for the video. That’s the most informative and detailed video I have ever watched regarding Sinner’s forehand! Just would want to ask about one thing, how does he get to the back fence position after the coil? Does he pull the right arm backward or does he put the racket towards the back like the “tap the dog” concept?
Many thanks,
Joey
Long arms, extremely limber. Travel of his hitting elbow is amazing. Overall length of his forward swing, also phenomenal. If Federer's forehand was a whip, Sinner's is a mace.
@Performance-Plus Tennis What Tennis racket brand is he using, and what type? Multi or Polycarbon?
Head speed MP 2024
@@PerformancePlusTennis Amazing thank you 🙏 for confirming.. Great racket!
@@PerformancePlusTennis No, Sinner uses a pro-stock version of the HEAD Graphene Touch Speed MP. That’s a completely different mold (22mm vs 23mm beam) and string drill pattern (shared holes vs no shared) from the Speed MP 2024. Sinner isn’t even using the Speed MP 2024 paintjob!
Thanks John, great analysis as ever. One area you did not mention was the supination of the forearm prior to contact. Pronation in unit turn, and pronation in follow through. Nadal does this a lot as well. What does that movement do to assist in producing a world class forehand? Is it something we amateurs should attempt to emulate? Very few coaches even mention it.
Check out TPA tennis who mentions supination quite a few times. Agree it's important but less talked about. You could almost argue that all advanced players do the supinate-pronate just before contact and that pros have optimised this for maximum effect.
Disagree with the nex gen forehand behind more difficult. I switched from modern to the next gen, it was significantly easier. The reason being that the timing the rhythm from the racquet drop to accelerate was really difficult to time. But with the next gen, the strings facing the back feels more natural, you are just placing the racquet behind and unloading. Its a much much easier motion to get correct because you can determine the speed of when the strings face the back fence, the automatic elbow separation means the elbow is already in place so you dont have to consciously work on that part as well.
I think the problem with all these videos saying its hard is because all these coachs have learnt the class and the modern forehand for so long its ingrained in them an thats why this seems "complex" but honestly Its actually more simplified.
loved it
What a great detailed analysis. Extremely helpful and interesting. I noticed that he does not appear to have his head looking at the ball, ala Federer, but instead appears to be peering forward. Also, he finishes most times with a wraparound around the head. Would it be ok to instead wrap around the body, or would that break the kinetic chain. Or is a head or a body wrap around finish, dependent on the ball.
go to 3:02... he definitely looks at the ball when he strikes.
Seems like sinner utilize seesaw effect from the shoulder more than the mainly rotational style like federer or alcaraz.
Look at his shoulder position. First even, then the shoulder of non dominant arm goes upward while shoulder of the hitting arm is lower.
Lets talk about the grip!This is semiwestern grip?
It looks very similar to Jack Sock.
I think the major problem with this type of forehand is when you want to return serve > 120 mil/hr .... I am a BIG fan of simple short backswing like Johny Mac , the simplest forehand EVER and most effective for return of serve EVER . ONE size fit for ALL different forehand stoke ( mid court forehand , running forehand , disguised forehand drop shot, return, underspin forehand , squash type of forehand when you stretched out I mean with Johny mac forhand motion all same grip and same short backswing and VERY simple .....just watch Johny mac against Boris at Australian open how beautifully he return with VERY simple effective continental forehand . th-cam.com/video/Bbkl05sJ0SA/w-d-xo.html
Forehand with bent elbow is absolutely low quality tennis. Much better Alcaraz and obviously Maestro Roger. Sinner very bad example for kids in tennis schools. Said by an Italian.
Thanks for your opinion. There have been plenty of "double bend forehands" at the highest level of the game including Djokovic, Sinner and Medvedev right now. Sinner has the highest performing forehand on the ATP tour in 2024. To be clear, I am not advocating bend over straight...it's a matter of personal style.
Check this out: fb.watch/sfvv1Y6Zht/?mibextid=CTbP7E
You can do everything the guy in this video tells you and still you will never hit a forehand like Sinner...
The real secret is something else....
Oh, do tell ……
@@meafordmichael it's the same secret that all professional players know... good luck figuring it out...
In my opinion there is no secret haha. Professional tennis players have decades of experience, strength, conditioning, mobility, etc etc etc. No amount of technique advise via TH-cam is going to enhance a recreational player into a pro player stroke. Small incremental improvements is what most should strive for as it will be more realistic. Whether that's with online assistance, in person lessons and so on will depend on the individual.
@@topspin1715 I agree with your comment ; my “Oh, do tell” was meant facetiously …
P.S. I would add “watch the ball”, a la Federer, but after a few years of trying I’m still falling well short of that mark …..
Take the fake rackets and artificial strings away and what do you have ? I unathletic amateurs.
Sorry Tim, but that is a ridiculous comment. Yes, the racquets and strings greatly improve performance, but these athletes are far superior to players in the 80's and before. There is not stopping the progress of improved speed, power, agility and endurance. Perhaps you remember Chip Hooper? He came on the ATP scene in the 80's at 6'6", and was a clumsy player compared to all the 6'5'+++ players on tour today.
@@PerformancePlusTennis You are being fooled, the equipment today gives the player the power, the top spin and the control, there is no need to develop those skills, there is little athletcisim today, they are using the equipment, they stand on the baseline, the use a wimpy 2HBH, they have no idea how to volley, half court volley, net volley drop shot, its a one dimensional game now. 85% of the players playing today would not be playing professional if they had to use real equipment. And no real major sport would alter its equipment to make it easier to play, that's called a handicap. The stats are all skewed today as well. Sprinting on the court is not an attribute of being an athlete, anyone can sprint. The previous gen players had it all, they had to play the actual game with no help and no handicaps. If you disagree, try putting real equipment in the hands of todays players, their performance drops 90%, this is a fact. What you are seeing today is an illusion.
@@TimTheMusicMan Thanks for sharing your opinion. However, I think many would disagree with you. Yes the equipment has changed, but to say "they use a wimpy 2HBH (2 handed backhands have been around 50 years now), they have no idea how to volley, half court volley, net volley drop shot, it's a one dimensional game now" is over the top. Anyone can sprint? Give me a break. You need to get on the court with a top 500 player to understand the skill and speed they have. The game has changed for sure, and tactics have adapted. Look at all the players still using the slice backhand, hitting drop shots, touch volleys, etc. Again, you need to get on the court with top player so you can experience the skill and athleticism they bring to the game. And the stats? Ask Craig over at Brain Game Tennis...he is the leading stat guy in tennis...he will also disagree....best, John
There’s nothing special about his forehand. The so called next gen is nothing special. This is basically “because your number 1 the forehand is the best or because you’re in the atp tour you’re forehand is special. It’s athleticism and experience.