American Reacts to an Incredible Norwegian Prison
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Prison in American is certainly a touchy subject and by all means most Americans agree that is a very unpleasant experience by design. I believe the Norwegian prison system and its philosophy is an incredible step forward, and would help shift the mindset of American prisons towards prioritizing rehabilitation. Americans could certainly learn a lot from how Norway runs its prisons and the way they focus on building relationships with the inmates. If you enjoy my reaction feel free to leave a like, comment, or subscribe for more videos like this!
I've been in prison in Norway and I can say for myself, it worked. This was 15-20 years ago and even if it wasn't that bad, I never went back. It was all the "small" things I missed. Just picking up my phone and call someone or visit/be with my friends or family when I wanted to. Or go anywhere I wanted when I wanted. Your freedom is taken away and that's the punishment. I do think the USA and many other countries has alot to learn from Norway.
jeg har også sonet, 2 år satt jeg og det var litt trist når jeg var ferdig med soningen og måtte reise hjem faktisk
Exactly that is the punishment, taking away your freedom. This is the general attitude in Nordic countries and it's exactly how it is supposed to be.
Greetings from Finland.
@@eVOLUC Må jeg spørge, hvordan du har klaret dig siden løsladelsen? (Jeg er dansk, men kan også skrive på engelsk, hvis du foretrækker det)
@@dennistraberg6580 jeg har klart meg fint i samarbeid med legen min, i dag er jeg uføretrygdet fordi jeg blir fort aggressiv når ting ikke passer meg
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Halden prison is the most famous one, and ofc some Norwegian prisons are far older. But the mentality about punishment is the same. This is also high security, while we also have minimum security prisons like Bastøy where there are just a few guards, the prisoners got their own house and their jobs on a small island without any fence.
Norway has learned that punishing people doesn't really benefit anyone. When you don't treat a prisoner as a normal human, they will much easier get a hatred towards the system. When you treat people with respect, they will in most cases do a better job working on themselves. At the same time as they get access to education and treatments.
(Wrote before i watched the whole video) The mentality towards prisoners is probably because the majority of people in Norway have social democratic political view, they believe in education, prisons, both physical and mental health and social benefits should be paid through taxation.
Although most people outside our national border thinks our prison system is too lenient it's actually highly effective. Stability is the key to rehabilitation.
det er ikke engang litt sant 🙄
We must be doing something right, because we have the lowest percentage of re-offenders in the world. Some people get their first chance at an education and real counseling when they go to jail, and come out with a degree, and the ability to find and keep a job and become productive members of society. I love that!
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 Do you have another explanation as to why our incarceration rate is among the lowest in the world?
@@nordicgaming2572 well 1st off it isn’t that is _Sweden_ nice try
We have the same system in Sweden, pretty much. It certainly do not work here. The psychopats are just as brutal and evil when they leave as when they were put in prison. Meanwhile the boys, girls, or older people they violently robbed, raped or humiliated in other ways are left to their own devices.
I was in prison between 2000 and 2003 , almost 3,5 years , at a prison called Bredtveit outside of Oslo (Oslo is the capitol of Norway ). I'm from Northern Norway , so I was transported by a regulare passenger plane along with 3 policeofficers wearing their civil clothes. Bredtveit is a womens prison , and consisted of 4 wards inside the prison fence, including a 5th ward outside of the prison, in one of the suburbs of Oslo. I became better from my mental issues while staying in Bredtveit, and my mental illness were one of the reasons why I ended up in prison in the first place. Prison was not at all what I thought it would be. I didn't know that being in there was going to change me to the better, or that I was going to take part in a theatre show , not once , but twice, and that several of the audience were members of the government in Norway and other celebreties . My mum also saw one of our shows. I started training too, and lost more than 40 kilos while staying there. I also went to school and I worked as an assistent in the kitchen along with another inmate and the chef ! I think the way the prisons here in Norway rehabilitate the inmates is the right way to do it. I never had any drug problems, for which I am grateful . Many of my fellow inmates were addicts and they had a hard time the first weeks and months of their time in prison. However, many of them were able to change and went on to a healthier and better life. I never came back to Bredtveit after I was released in june of 2003. But I will never forget the friends I made , both among the inmates and the staff. At the end of the day we are all human , and even if some of us might stumble - and break the law , hurt others etc , we are better off coming back into the society and go on with our life.
Your yet a other example that our system works!
I hope things are still going well for you.
I've also been at Bredtveit prison, for a month only, as they found me innocent. I'm so happy for you, that you got a new start. Much love from Halden❤
These prisons are "normal" in the European Union. They are not everywhere so "Modern" and "New", but the goal is to reintegrate the prisoners into society. In the USA, many prisons are multimillion dollar businesses where the prisoners are only resources.
Lot of abuses in UK prison and abusive corrections officers.
norway is not part of the european union
If they are "normal" in the EU, why isn't there much attention about them? These Norwegian prisons gets LOTS of publicity, haven't seen anything from EU.
@@johnnymartinjohansen prisons like this i think its not normal around the EU. but more commen in scandinavia countrys
@@kennethpaulsen5407 No one said they were....
As you said, it’s a different mindset.
The police have a bachelor degree before they start as a policeofficer.
The prisonguards have a two year college education before they can start working.
I think this is a major differnce to the US system and why we have had more success with this approach.
It’s a more academic approach to the problem of puting people in prison.
Rehabilitation works, not only in Norway.
We have a similar thinking in all Scandinavia and Finland about reintegration in to society. Love and peace from Sweden.
And it doesn't work at all...
@@herrbonk3635 the statistics says otherwise
@@jubmelahtes Yeah, sure... :D It works for personalities that wouldn't commit new crimes anyhow, but that's totally irrelevant. Because it does not work for genetically violent people or psychopats, which are usually brutal up until old age. Also, we have people shooting, bombing and raping every day here, and most of these criminals are not even put in prison to begin with. So "the system" certainly don't work, at all.
@@herrbonk3635 ha yes, except every data says otherwise.
@@telmobrito519 No, it certainly does not. That's just political "data".
There is other videos about prison in Norway you should definately react to as a follow up (Bastøy fengsel). The video is called «Norwegian prison - Michael Moore» th-cam.com/video/0IepJqxRCZY/w-d-xo.html , «Prison inmate: We get puppies, ice ceam…»th-cam.com/video/MauMiCL7G9Y/w-d-xo.html and «A liberal prison system - Bastoy prison»th-cam.com/video/Uj3SMiDvjdg/w-d-xo.html . Its a prison on an island (I think its where some rapers, murdererw, robbers, drug addicts etc spend their last period of their sentance before they are released)
Btw In 2007, Bastøy Prison became the world's first human-ecological prison. The prison bases its values on three pillars: Ecology, humanism and responsible development. For the inmates, agriculture is one of the biggest jobs on Bastøy, they produce much of the food that they eat themselves.
The prison facility was originally built as a "Remedial Institution for Neglected Boys". Bastøy school home was in use from 1900 to 1970. They have actually made a movie about this called «Kongen av Bastøy» or King of devil’s Island.
TYLER!! You have to see Michael Moore film from Norway⬆️⬆️😜
First off, every prison in Norway is more or less like this - at least when it comes to the approach of rehabilitation and the humanity. The facilities differ, of course.
Halden prison is a maximum security prison. It is Norway's biggest prison in size, and it is quite new. As a maximum security prison, it holds inmates who have committed horrendous crimes. Still, we have a mindset that they sometime will be let out of prison again, and thus, they need to be rehabilitated. Our philosophy is that there are many factors leading up to a crime; most of all, the society has failed to teach the criminal what is accepted behaviour and not. There was an interview once with the father of one of Norway's most infamous terrorist's victims, and he said that there was no way he would wish upon him what fate his daughter suffered.
It helps that you need at least a bachelor to become a police officer - just to patrol the streets, in Norway
The prison near me has a flower shop and a dog garden where normal people set of there dogs when they go to work. The prisoners walk the dogs in the forest and the prison gards dont even lock the dors in the prison.
If the object is to reduce crime, rather than simply punish, there has to be rehabilitation.
I've watched a few of your Norway reaction vidoes, and this by far my favorite. I've always heard rumors that prisons in Norway are super comfy compared to many other countries, including America. However, seeing how the prison system works here in Norway is just so humane. Just like any other societal situation! Shout out to my friend Ø who's prison officer and to all those officers who understand their role! Thanks for fantastisk reaction, Tyler💖
It's actually the convicts of most serious crimes that needs this the most, not the least offensive offenders as you said.
Say someone who accidentally killed someone by negligence goes back to society with this treatment, he was probably not going to be a big problem for society when he comes out anyways. The guilt of the accident could be enough for him to change ways. But then say someone who murdered someone with intent got this treatment, the consequences of recidivism then is far higher. You don't want another victim.
I know we feel the need for justice and to punish people who've done wrong. But what about the future victims? If you rehabilitate someone, there'll be a lot less future victims, that's gotta be more important than satisfying the feeling of revenge.
Violent psychopats are always violent pshychopats. Old age can make them less dangerous though.
@@herrbonk3635 If they are considered dangerous for society, they won't be let out into society.
How-ever psychopathy, or anti-social personality disorder which is the more correct term in terms of treatment aspect, is virtually uncurable. Yes. I agree with that. But the violence part is still treatable.
We have a lot of people in this world with anti-social personality disorder which does not commit crime. They're still a pain to deal with, but it's not a given that they will be chronically criminals.
They would still have anti-social personality disorder as we have yet to find a treatment, and as a diagnosis itself is rare. But people don't develop into violence just because they've got personality disorders, there's studies showing they always have some sort of violence or other abuse done to them. The research James H. Fallon has done on this is interesting. And we have research showing how the brain is plastic and how they're continued to be treated will again affect their behaviour, even if they do have personality disorders.
It's not perfect and it will never be 100%. But this is done for _those who will end up back into society anyways._ So you argument is thus very flawed, if you think these psychopaths will be just as violent when let back into society with US-style treatment. Because we're not talking about those people who are considered so dangerous they won't ever be let out, we're talking about those who _will_ have to be let out after they server their sentence. And thinking that their tendency to violence won't be affected by treatment if they have a personality disorder doesn't only go against all research we have on the subject, it even goes against basic common sense.
Violent psychopaths who commit horrible crimes and have no ability to change or feel regret, might never get out, even in Norway. The focus is always the safety of the community.
@@herrbonk3635The nummer of violent psychopats in any given society is minuscule.
@@Koreviking "Any given society"? There is a pretty huge variation in those genes between different populations. One of the more important ones is the one coding for the MAO-A protein, that regulates the base level of several hormones and signal substances in the brain. Making us mentally more or less sensitive to violence.
12:30 To your question(s): 1) This prisoner has been in another documentary as well. He tranferred to this prison from one in Brazil (but is a Norwegian national). He is convicted of murder, so a very serious offence. I think he said somewhere else his sentence is 16 years. 2) Who gets to go to this prison? This is a maximum security prison, so it houses "the worst" prisoners, or at least the ones with long sentences. But the prison is also in high demand for maximum security prisoners in Norway due to its facilities, so to my understanding you have to have a track record of good or decent behaviour to be allowed here. And prisoners here who regularly break the rules or behave badly might get transferred to another prison. 3) The kitchen is for everyone within that wing. 4) Not all Norwegian prisons are this nice. Some are quite worn down as well. But the principle the warden states in the beginning is the same in all prisons.
Carsten is my frend he went to Brasil whit me in 2013. he has not murder no one,
he got in to a fight and hurt a man badly. whit no money to pay the police and an lawyer, he was exposed to a circus of trial whit corruption
And many illegalities, he received 22,5 years in Brasil prison.
After 5 years of hell there he got transfered to Halden Norway.. now he will execute the sentence here.
@@peixeon9410 Glad to see you stand up for your friend!! Maybe even more important that a nice prison, is good friends :)
@@peixeon9410 I try not to just believe things people say on the web.
But I hope your telling the truth, he doesn't seem like a bad person.
He doesn't seem like someone that would intentionally kill anyone.
Hope things get better for him, that he becomes a free man in not to long.
I live in Halden (the location of this prison). There's an inmate there that got sentenced to 2 years in prison and he's simultaneously working at a factory a few hundred meters away from my house (and about 1.5-2 miles away from the Halden prison). From what i've been told he works there during the daytime and after work he has to go back to the prison.
I assume murderers and extremely violent inmates wouldn't have this option. The guy i'm talking about was smuggling some drugs into Norway.
Just imagine the difference in mind set after serving 10 years in a prison where you have a bit of freedom, and you are treated with respect, as opposed to 10 years of physical and emotional abuse on a daily basis. I get that people want punishment, but the focus shouldn't be on breaking people, it should be on helping people, so that when they are released back into society, they are better equipped for the changes and the new life.
This is very true. The same is with the police in Norway. Here in Norway police training is a 4 years university degree. So a big part of their job is crime prevention and get a relationship with the locals. My dad used to be a cop and was part of a program where the police got together with troubled teenagers, where they arranged fun events. The majority of those teens he worked with turned away from crime and live a normal life today.
One little fun fact. Unless there is a serious terror threat, the police walks around unarmed. Their gun is locked inside the patrol vehicle.
@@quantumfairing2216 An Oslo police chief was caught working with hashish drug dealers a few years back and got caught.
How about during the Breivik trial when a copy of his police interrogation testimony transcripts were stolen out of the police vault that was contained in a locked secured room at the police station?
Just two years ago I personally had my rights violated by two officers in Lillehammer. I filed complaints and their superiors tried to do nothing about it and cover it up. Until I hired a lawyer and presented the audio evidence because they did not know I was recording the officers at the time.
If you talk to the right people you can find that unlawful tactics used by police occur just about everywhere.
I know a guy back in 2013 that was publicly publishing some sordid details concerning the Norwegian Monarchy and was reporting some true inside information about them. Because he wasn't committing an actual crime, the police showed up at his house with a state-funded psychologist and declared him a danger to himself to now justify detaining him on a psyche hold. He was "arrested" for 2 weeks, declared sane, but was repeatedly threatened while in custody to stop his journalism, "Or else." I even have some stories about bad behavior regarding the Special Police that I will not get into here.
@@inquisitor4635 Personal anecdotes like this doesn't really have any value when comparing systems.
@@inquisitor4635 i know from personal experience that there are bad apples in the police and had my rights violated, but i also know from personal experience that the majority of the police wake up every morning trying to make Norway a better place to live. I would say it's ignorant to judge everyone based on a few cases.
Last part i won't comment on unless you have some empirical evidence to back that up.
@@jandmath Well, this is a youtube comments section, not a master's degree thesis paper requiring citations. The first two incidences were published in Norwegian media. I include my own personal experiences because policing in the western countries do have a lot of corrupt commonalities as to how they use tactics out of the same playbook to get compliance by circumventing rights. And unless my experiences are published in the newspaper know one will know about it. And Norway likes to keep a lot of bad public image a bit more quiet and hush hush anyways. I will leave it up to the casual reader, other than yourself obviously, to determine if my personal police experiences have relevance, validity or value to the discussion.
The guy showing around was in for Murder did already 2 years when this doc. was made and had 11 years to go.
This is Maximum security prisons but normal prisons are even more free some without outer fences.
First of all, thank you for accepting my suggestion for this video.
The biggest difference between American and Norwegian prisons, and many other prison-systems in Europe, is the philosophy. Norwegian prisons are there to rehabilitate, educate and prepare prisoners to return to society and become socially useful citizens. The buildings are different, some are much older, but the philosophy stays the same throughout the whole system. Why? Because it works!
American prisons are there to lock people in and punish them even more than just the length of their sentence.
The difference becomes apparent once they are released. U.S. prisoners who have been treated like animals by the guards, locked up 23 hours a day for decades and trained by other prisoners in crime will have little to no chance of a better life when they are released. They often continue to be punished by losing rights such as the right to vote in elections.
Norwegian convicts can come out of prison with a trade certificate or other higher education, they have often had therapy with a psychologist or psychiatrist to deal with whatever has led to them ending up in prison in the first place. If they have a drug problem, they get help to deal with it. They have been treated with kindness and respect, maybe for the first time in their lives.
But the most important thing of all is that they are viewed and treated as human beings.
Their punishment is the loss of freedom and the judiciary is the one who judges them. The prison's job is not to punish them further but to give them a foundation to build life on the day they are finished serving their sentences, a chance to become socially useful citizens.
There is also another thing that is extremely different in Norway and the US, namely how the community outside the prison treats former inmates. In the U.S.A. many former prisoners have great difficulty getting a job when they come out because no one wants to hire a convict. If they get a job, it is probably a minimum wage job with long hours. Since the rules for parole are often to have a job, convicts are exploited as cheap labor in jobs no one else wants. Guess what will happen when they get tired of being exploited. They go back to crime.
In Norway, the mentality is like this; this person has broken the law, served his sentence and thus paid his debt to society. Now he is looking for a job at my business and he has acquired the qualifications I am looking for while in prison. By giving him this job and paying him a salary he can live off of, he can manage without committing more crime and I have got in return a qualified employee. Besides, I know he's dedicated to a better life because he's spent his time in prison on education, therapy, maybe drug treatment or whatever. He's made an effort to better himself.
The idea that this is not feasible in the U.S.A. is just plain nonsense. It makes me so mad everytime I hear that from a US citizen. It works more or less everywhere else in the developed world. People are people no matter where they live. It's the way you treat them which is the crucial factor. If this is something you can't do in the same way as us, then you are not "the greatest country in the world" as you guys love to shout out as soon as you have the opportunity.
The main argument I hear against introducing this way of doing things in the US is that it is too expensive. This is how it is with absolutely everything in the United States. You ONLY think of short-term profit and not the long-term effects and savings you achieve a few years into the future. The savings you will get from less crime and tax-paying citizens instead will far exceed what you have to spend on rehabilitation. The more people who are rehabilitated, the fewer prisoners you get and the less money you need to spend on your prison system. It's math, it's economics!
The biggest problem with the American prison system is it's terrible philosophy. There are three main factors that make it inefficient;
Private for-profit prisons,
Systematic racism,
Exclusively focusing on punishment.
Ever thought about why you guys has 2,3 MILLION people incarcerated? Because of these three things; racism, the extreme focus on punishment and private for-profit prisons with contracts with the states that guarantee them an occupancy of at least 90% at all times, prisoners who are hired out to private companies and government departments by the company that owns the prison as free labor are the reason why you have 1/4 of all prisoners in the world. It's why you get insanly long sentences for the smallest of crimes. It's why minorities get an average of 20% longer sentences than whites. It's profitable, and when it comes to minorities no one cares!
Absolutely no rehabilitation, education or therapy. It's to expensive!
Did you know that about 25% of the firefighters who put out forest fires in California are inmates risking their lives for next to nothing?
Did you know that all helmets used by the U.S. military is made by inmates?
Did you know that many are forced to work for free in call centers or laundries for various companies. And the list goes on and on.
And those who profit from this are the owners and shareholders of the private, for-profit prisons and the other companies that provide services such as telephone, food, maintenance etc. that have your politicians and sometimes judges DEEP in their pockets.
In other parts of the world we call it slavery but your constitution actually gives you an exception to the slavery ban when it comes to prisons and prisoners! So no, you haven't even abolished slavery completely.
I could have written an entire dissertation on what's wrong with the US prison system, and many people have, but it would be a waste of time as long as your politicians are in the pockets of profit hungry businessmen who are all slaves to the almighty dollar.
I have done time in Norway for a year, and yes. Its like this in all prisons in Norway. Some other prisons only have older buildings. but exactly the same as you see in this video.
I served a sentence in 2 prisons, Ringerike prison and Åna prison. Ringerike is like halden but Åna is the oldest prison in norway. But i feel like it was the same. And ALLOT of sexy sexy female guards😉😁
I became a better person after jail.
Lol
Yeah, the most sexy woman i`ve seen was a Norwegian, blonde hottie of a prisonguard!I called her an engel, and she smiled!
😂😂😂😂
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It's a high security prison, so basically the worst of the worst in terms of crimes committed.
That said, there's limited capacity, so you might not get in if your behavior in prison is bad, the principles is the same in all prisons in Norway, but this modern prison might be prioritized for those more likely to be reformable when capacity isn't sufficient for the demand.
Every prison in Scandinavia/the North (Norway, Sweden, Danmark, Iceland and Finland) got the same concept. But Halden Prison is new built and therefore 100% fit for the the philosophy.
I love my brother country norway ❤️much love from Big sister sweden ❤️
There is no life long prison sentence in Norway (Unless you are anders behring breivik) and even then, its in the law that you cannot give anyone a life sentence, 27 years top, but again in the case of Breivik, he sits for 27 years, there is a panel that decides if he can be released, and they will automatically deny him, for he is too dangerous to be let out in society.
Thos is incorrect, read more about forvaring and try again :-)
@@kjerstiwesteng4460 What?
YES!! I ve waited for this topic!.. Thank you 🤩
I like your videos! Interesting to see outside views on our systems / culture. I always look forward to the next video, keep it up! 😁👍
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You should react to a video from Bastøy prison. That will blow your mind!
I understand how some people feel prisoners should suffer in prison, but it is not a responsibility for the state to be a tool for vengeance on behalf of victims. The state should be neutral and stick to the task of rehabilitation, or containment for perpretrators that are not fit for society. Punishment in a civil society is meant as a deterrant, not revenge. However, it requires a certain level of maturity in the society to get acceptance for this in the general public.
We learned from the times of vikings that revenge only leads to a long line of dead brothers and nothing will come from it
I know this is "Norway channel" but check out the "open prisons in Finland".
Here in Nordic countries we try to learn from each other and then implement the things others have tested and found to be working.
What they didnt mention in the video is that we also have an independent prison guard system which is called "Kriminalomsorgen" that stand for all the employment of prison guards. They are also a part of the gouvernment and has much more depth to itself than just prison guards, but also further rehabilitation of prisoners once they are free and much more.
Prison isn’t actually supposed to be a punishment - thats the being locked away from society and not come and go as they please. The point of it is actually a correctional thing to help them come out as a better person.
Check out a video on Bastoy island. It's a prison on an island where the inmates live in houses in a small community with a lot of liberty. It's amazingly interesting!
It's a political choice: You can live in a society where it is highly unlikely anything bad will happen to a loved one.
Or, you can create a society where it's not all that unlikely, but that grants you the feeling of revenge if it does.
I can't see how you can have both.
In another video from this prison it highlights more of the educations you can get. They have a music studio, mechanical workshop were they actually work on cars for private citizens outside. You can learn to be a cook, carpenter, studio engineer aso. Normal higher education is also available and you take the exam as any other student.
You should have seen the prison at Fauske, Nordland, near where I live. Very similar to those in this video, but much more open. Then inmates can even get a job, and be outside during daytime, for example, several have worked as truck drivers for local companies. But you can't be there if you're convicted of violent crimes.
Ive been to low security open prison. A fellow inmate once walked out the gate and to the store, bought & drank a 6pack of beer and came back a few hours later. My cellmate was snoring, so i took my mattress to another cell and slept on the floor. I was also in charge of tournaments, i would put all the cool people in my barrack on the winning team so they would get 20 kroners for every tournament, i used it to get favors from them.
Hi Tyler - THIS is the most important video on your channel - by far...
You should watch the episode where they visit the Norwegian prison on season 3 of ''inside the world's toughest prisons'' on Netflix!!!
You should react to Geogrophy Now's video about Norway
There is a youtube video where they showed that they tried to implement this in a american prison, well not completly but took parts of this and tried to see if it works in the american prisonsystem. It might have been resumed but they stopped when the Covid pandemic started.
Here in Norway, prisoners can also apply for a «permisjon» like a vacation/free/ to be in the community.
This takes me back to Michael Moore's 'Where to Invade Next'. Great and funny film, and totally worth the time.
Its about the main question.
Do you as a society want to fix the problem or not?
The solution might not be what pleases your feeling, but it fixes the problem and makes society better.
Besides .. most of them are tragic stories if u go into the real details.
There's also a purely economic argument for rehabilitating prisons (plus not not incarcerating 0.7% of your population), as the societal cost related to recidivism is huge, and so is the price of incarcerating 2 million individuals. Economics Explained did a video about this called: The Economics of the Prison Industrial Complex.
@@Jo-Heike The cost of crime is unmeasurable high, if take into account damages to businesses and victims .. including the whole system needed to catch and judge them.
Solving crime saves everyone money
@@frosty6960 Weeell, there's people who's entire job is measuring the price of different stuff. So you can find measures of the costs, and estimates taking into account affects on businesses, consumption, commerce and insurance stuff.
Although, I do agree that solving crime saves society as a whole money.
By the way, I am a Norwegian, and while I am very glad we have such a good system for rehabilitation I really wish they would just legalize Cannabis already, our "war on drugs" is creating "criminals" where there does not need to be any.
Someone probably pointed this out allready, but like you said; you were looking at a maximum security prison... check out "Bastøy prison" if you really want your mind shattered
Actually, there is.. or atleast at that time of the documentary .. was a prison that was better... Bastøy prison is a island outside of Oslo or in the Oslo fjord ... you can apply to be there to finnish your sentence but you have to serve like 2/3 of it at other places.
Going from India American to norway was experience I could never forget I visited a relative who was doc there and i had a feeling of fear alot of time because there was little to no people when we walked around places and at one point I was shocked to see a girl walking alone a path even I wouldn't take and asked her about it it was surreal how safe the place is and her only problem in life of what she told me was being introvert and social struggle as kindergarten teacher
There's also a purely economic argument for rehabilitating prisons (plus not not incarcerating 0.7% of your population), as the societal cost related to recidivism is huge, and so is the price of incarcerating 2 million individuals. Economics Explained did a video about this called: The Economics of the Prison Industrial Complex.
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*All* of them are.
That said, the *locations* the actual *buildings* may still be designed for the old system, as it takes time to replace them.
Great video!
This is about a maximum security prison. Not all prisons in Norway are like this. But changes with legislation played a huge role.
In sweden there are 3 different security classes of prisons depending on the seriousness of your crime...
The least serious crimes get to spend their time on what called "open correctional facility" and those only have a small fence surrounding it... They CAN leave if they really wanted to...
I love watching all of your videos about norway :) Though i'm wondering why you seem to be so interested in norway?. Do you make videos about other countries too or is it specifically norway?
You gained a subscriber in me ^_^
It seems he is interested in learning about other places , unlike most Americans , he has done several videos reacting to things in Canada , the UK etc .
They have a music studio also with electric guitars , drums and stuff like that.
Halden and Ila (the ones you see in the video) are max sec prisons
you should look at more videos of our prisons!!
prison in norway works,visited once for 18 months and never went back,good facilities too😁
A famous artist from Norway is Angelina Jordan. She's an incredibly talented child prodigy singer. Her appearance on AGT the champions went viral. She currently lives in LA (California) and she's signed to Republic Records. Quite a few Americans know her as well, perhaps you have heard of her?
A prison in Netherland, was just a beautiful garden. Summer camp.
In the 1970's, my brother was convicted of receiving drugs through the mail, a minor offence. Being a Norwegian citizen, he was given the choice of deportation (without prison in the US) or imprisonment in Norway for three months. He chose prison in Norway, reasoning that he'd save three months rent for an apartment. After all, his cell wasn't do different from an apartment. After his release, he just went back to work as a tram ticket seller/taker.
Somewhere in the USA they started project for a changing System. Little scandinavia here on YT
Every cellblock has its own kitchen and the inmates cook and order the food themselves on a weekly basis... (At least in Sweden)... They have like 10 inmates on every block and some of the inmates are responsible for Cleaning, and some for cooking and ordering food....
You are correct that Halden prison is unique. Several prisons are different, and some prisons may be used for good behavior, or you may be removed from a better prison for bad behavior. However, that is not officially how it is done, but I am sure it is part of it.
See how the norwegian Police behave, thats probably an eyeopener for the american people
Good reaction.
Penitentiary is a religious throwback when some of the first religious colonists arrived those who were penitent and needing punishment were sent to the penitentiary
I am a public defender from Norway, the idea is simple: "everyone who will be released needs to be reformed", you want a person who comes out of a prision to not be angry :) if his/her's stay in prision is terrible, the probability of re-offences are so much higher
I really enjoy your videos. This video might be a great segway into doing a video on the norwegian police vs the US police. Especially when it comes to education. Maybe also a video on the differences on gun control.
The prisoner giving the tour is a convicted murderer, and Halden Prison is a maximum security for the "worst" prisoners in Norway, serving long sentences (up to the maximum sentence length of 21 years).
After 25 seconds I can se that this is Halden prison. I have been to Halden Fengsel. This is Norways newest prison. I was a teacher in four different prisons for about 6 years. The majority of prisons in Norway are not like this one. We have a lot of high security prisons built in the 1860's. Belive me, they are nothing like this. Now...back to the video. :)
Halden is the most sought after prison for Norwegian inmates for transfer. If you want to transfer you usually would have to already have a pretty good record of good behaviour.
15:00 I think you don't realize how centralized Norway is in policy making. If the (central) government decides to change their policy in the prison system, education or health care system, this applies to the whole country. The regioanal differences are small.
And as they said, this is a max. security prison. Norway has 50-something prisons of varying capacity, but this one is one of the highest security ones, this is where the most dangerous criminal with the longest sentences from the southeast Norway end up.
If you can become a policy officer in Norway,you must complete your education in there year at the police school. One year at school , one year in practice and the last school again. After 3 year you get a bachelor’s degree.
Further education in police in Norway:
You can take a master’s degree in investergation, police science and management. It takes 3 extra years.
What education do you need to be a police officer in Norway
Do not forget that the prison officer school is a two year education, and can be built on with a year to become a full bachelor...
I tried to get that job, but for security reasons you have to be a "citizen" of Norway, which is understandable.
One of the reasons why there's so many in American prisons is that on average, they get a lot linger sentencing. In Norway, if you commit 10 crimes with each a maximum sentencing of 2 year, you're not risking 20 years. You'll maybe risk 5-6 years.
If you murder two people, each crime has a maximum penalty of 21 years, you'll get no more than 21 years in total. The only exception is you're considered very dangerous individual that will pose a risk to society even after 21 year, you might get a "detention" sentencing added in which you could be held indefinetly, but reviewed in five years intervals.
Every prison ive been to tromsø, ila etc . It has same features like halden,..so its normal. And to be fair it turned my life around.
I havent finished the video yet, but the philosophy is that being taken away your freedom is the punishment... but then we can discuss .. but what about murderers?..
To answer this we have to look at the difference in the system between Norway and USA... in the US.. the prisons are (afaik) largely run by private corporations... they use the prisoners to produce revenue... big business!... the longer you are in prison, the more they can make of of their "slaves"...
Very often prisoners does not ever see the light of day again...
In Norway, "lifetime" in prison is 21 years max (actually its 30 but i dont think it has ever been used).. with the addition of something we call "forvaring".. its hard to translate, but i guess you can call it detention.. so after 21 years served, you have to be assesed by a board to be deemed fit to be released, if not you are going back in, and afaik there is no actual limit on it... so.. Because Norwegian prisons are goverment driven, there is no big business, so there is no reason to keep them longer than necessary as the cost of a prisoner is high.. that means that a prisoner are to be released at some point... even murderers and rapists..
So then back to the point... research has shown, that by treating inmates humane, and let them have sertain "freedoms", they are less likely to end up back in prison.. the number of people that are actually reformed to the better are amongst the highest in the world in Norway..
So instead of an inmate spending a life behind bars, he/she would be able to be reformed, and let back out into society to be a resource insead of a burden..
Holy crap that was long... but yeah... i don't think USA would be able to implement this without first taking the prisons back from the corporations...
All prison in norway is like this.i was 58days in the new froland prison in the South of Norway
I’ve been a total of 7 years in prison, and I am only 37. But Norway has a hotel-like prison, IMO. But of course, it’s hard to be in any prison, I think the most hard thing is to function after your sentence, etc…
Sounds like you were in more than once. So it sounds like you didn't learn your lesson
You should check out Harald Eia's "My gift to USA" on youtube dude. His TV show "This is Norway" is great, but if you don't want to bother with subtitles and such, at least check out that one segment, since he does it in english. I think it at least highlights a few key differences between the Norway and the US.
I think tyler should react to Tango38 or Nattpatruljen if he is interrested in seeing the police in action, some of the clips have english subs i think so it shouldn't be big a problem
This is specifically to combat institutionalisation of the individual- living as normal as possible to easily integrate in to society when released.
P.S. Halden prison is MAX security Prison - Murderers and other serious crimes (To answer your question as to who get's this 'special treatment' as a prisoner in Norway.) Much love from Norway
Remember, it's not only small criminal acts, but also murders in that prison
The reason Norway can do this, is because they have a system in place to make sure you get financial help in general. Been out of a job for a year and cant pay bills? Get financial aid and job advice. This makes sure homelessness is extremely low, and the only ones begging for money on the streets are foreigners. The need to "do a crime to get in luxurious jail" is low because we have systems in place that are better options.
This is why this system can never 100% work in the US. The mindset of the US people aside, the outside systems to back up a prison like this must be a better option that going to jail for years. Not to mention the fact that Norway has a 21 year sentence limit (that can be increased after those years if person is still deemed too dangerous for society). The US holds the record of 10,000 year sentence + 2 life sentences. This tells the dumb side of the justice system in the US.
A mass murderer who bombed a capital building and killed 77 people, most of them between the ages of 14-18 years old, sued the state because the PlayStation 2 in his cell was inhumane. He won that lawsuit and got upgraded to a PlayStation 3. That is the worst man since the WW2, and this is the level of respect even he is granted.
These are the differences between the USA and Norway in the education of police and prison guards; The USA on average 4 weeks, In Norway 2 years, Police in the USA about a year and a half, in Norway 3 years at school, and one year as a trainee. Maximum imprisonment in the USA is life, in Norway 21 years. But detention is also used, which means that if you are not fit for a life outside prison, then you can stay much longer. Ex: Anders Bering Breivik.
From what I understand. I believe that the prisons in America is private. So it's good for business to have as many as possible in prison....
Some are, not all.
This man is the chief in our maximum security prison. He's been in the US educating people in the American prison system. And they have visited our prisons as well. We work on rehabilitation, we don't have life in prison, maximum sentence is 21 years
Watching the American in you struggle internally and metaphorically sit there with a twitching eye, balling his fist while forcing out "yeah... I like this", was worth watching on its own 😂😂
You should check out the prison on the island of bastøy.
4:06 It's shouting 0.655 % on the screen!! 😂
In Norway they look at rehabilitation rather than focusing on retribution.
Take a look at Bastøy prison in Norway.
What Crime comitted dont actually change you privilages other then what prison you go to(high security or not).
Behave and get the same privilages as the other prisoners.
It is like this in all the prison's ofc the quality of the rooms and the prisons themself varry by a big degree... that prison is verry new.
The guards are nice, and will help with anything you need...
I wanted to learn programming and they actually went and ordered the books i needed and let me borrow a computer. (this was in a tiny prison "Larvik Prison")
The prisons in Norway and Finland (I don't know about Sweden and Denmark because I never lived there) are based on the idea of LEARNING instead of punishment. You LEARN what you did wrong so you can LEARN how not to do it again. And the rehabilitation is successful in most cases. Of course you have criminals that can't be rehabilitated - for different reasons - but mostly these open prisons work pretty well. I mean it's a correctional facility anyway. You're there to be corrected - not to suffer.
If you want to staff US prisons with good guards there are two main factors that need to be applied. You need to demand a proper education for the guards in prison and you need to make the prison guard salary high enough for people to be willing to take that education to become good guards.
If you treat people like animals and they will act like animals. This is why you treat them as humans.
Honestly didn't know about the riots and other background Norway had to make them re-evaluate, but it's kinda awe inspiring that instead of blaming the few prisoners who did this they instead said "was there anything we could have done different in order to have prevented this?".
I have worked in several Norwegian prisons, as a teacher. I have been to Halden and Bastøy. These are NOT the typical Norwegian prison.
went to scool deep in the forests close by this prison and was shocked first time we were granted the opertunety to take a "scool" buss to sweeden for shoping and we had to stop by the prison cous a fue of my scool mates had to go "home" to prison instead of joining uss over the border XD