FYI: Ford's marketing term for the mechanical locking feature on the rear differential is "e-locker" (b/c it's electronically, not hydraulically or vacuum actuated, I believe), not to be confused with cross-axle traction control effects, which are all software based and not a mechanical locker...
That's why Silverado EV is coming next year and redesign Lightning in 2025 on TE1 platform. This is a modified F-150 platform where GM Silverado EV BT1 is a EV from ground up next year. Wait for Ford 2025 redesign. The Ford F-150 Lightning is already being promised a redesign for the 2025 model year. Reuters mentioned this when discussing Ford’s production plans for the Lightning.
So impressed with Kyle's versatility with off-road vehicle features and the ability for ad hoc commentary. Really coming a long way from his NC days. A reliable source for sure. Hats off to the editing team as well for blending the out-of-vehicle views and interior commentary. Super helpful.
The more of these videos I see the more excited I get, but also the more sad. I had my "spot in line" within two minutes of the announcement. Didn't so much as get an invite to order for any wave.
This truck is already nearly 100K in anything above the average trim with extended battery. And what does Kyle want? "I need a lift kit raptor version". Dude get real
I love the Ford BLue! I used to have XLT F-150 Ecoboost that would do Okay in things like that, with a lot of work... so, not so Okay I guess. Butt I wanted a Rivian, gave up on it b/c it will cost clost to $100K, and while I have a Jeep Wrangler RUbicon 4xe (PHEV) now, I miss having the bed and space of the F-150. My F-150 was black, but I ove the Blue! also, WHile I keep wanting to get teh XLT which make sense, I could only if you could add the pano roof to it! (I had that on my XLT, and LOVED IT!. Yeah, think while its not as hard core as the Rivian, I think if they offered a FX4 Lightning! wow! Price makes sense though. I paid like $57K for a 2019 XLT crew w/2.7L Ecoboost 4WD, and what they are asking for the Lightning mkes sense to me. the 4xe Jeep is like $64K as I bought it. Just make sure it has the tow pack, the roof, and a good sound system, and the Lariat sounds good at even $80K! (I'd still try to get XLT if I could add pano roof, tow & sound system). THink they may make a Bronco EV? :) I know Jeep is working o0n a Wrangler EV>
Great video. Raptor :I keep wondering why Ford did not Target the Raptor. The standard F-150 lighting has the problem of towing. The raptor is a lifestyle Truck more suitable for electric as. the Rivian and the Hummer show. Maybe the software was not ready.
Kyle is super impressed with the mechanical rear diff lock , he mentions it alot , and for good reason , it does a good job. But its interesting too that on the front axle there is a virtual differetial lock too , by utilisation of the brakes and software to prevent wheelspin , not as good as a full mechanical lock , but still is effective to bypass the 3 wheel drive problem when one wheel starts spinning.
This is the first I've heard that is has an actual mechanical locker. That's great! I assumed it was some sort of virtual ABS "locker". Even in the Pro model, that's crazy good value.
Thank you, always detailed and balanced. I couldn’t stand TFL truck review, most of the things they complained about the truck was not warranted for light off-road/work truck.
I am DEFINITELY looking forward to al ALL-EV Ford F150 Raptor model with the super long suspension and 37 inch tires on it! One thing Ford MUST DO is increase driving range even if you have to put a big battery slab in the back bed. I know that much longer lasting Aluminum-Sulfur batteries are coming soon but in the meantime Ford MUST INCREASE driving range to about 600 Miles+ (960 km) by using a slab-type truck-bed battery on any new F150 models. V
imagine this: Black truck, and if you could "smoke" that lightbar (whit part around lights)... make whoe truck look black. How sweet would that look? start working on it aftermarket folks! :) I really did love my F-150 XLT w/black appearance pack. :)
You should really link this video from the other lightning videos, I didn't even know this channel existed. I was wondering if you got to do the off-road course, I watched TFLs the other day.
No locking front to rear -- you wouldn't need to since you have two motors, and there is no center diff or other mechanical connection front/rear to lock. The vehicle could just decide to send the same torque front and rear in off road mode. It would be interesting to know if that's what they do, or some other split, or dynamically adjusted somehow. Thanks for a great video as always.
The reason a locking center diff works is because the wheels are physically unable to move at different speeds to each other because the locker prevents it. If you have different grip levels front-rear and send the same power/torque to both motors, you’ll get different wheel speeds and might start digging yourself in. So like Kyle said, they have to very precisely measure grip levels to decide the right amount power and brakes to each wheel.
@@borisdemelo More specifically a locking center diff forces the front and rear driveshafts to turn at the same rate. With open diffs at the front and rear axles, wheel speeds are able to vary wildly - e.g. a locked center diff with open front and rear differentials will, when placed in a cross-axle situation with one rear wheel in the air and one front wheel in the air, result in the airborne wheels free spinning and the wheels on the ground doing nothing.
Can anyone speak to the long term efficiency of electric car motors? If you have an old cell phone you'll notice that the older it gets the less it holds a charge, it lasts shorter and shorter every month. I'm wondering to what degree that will happen to these cars. Gasoline engines also decrease in efficiency as they age but not in the same way. Not ripping on electric cars, just curious.
Gotta remember, lots of car journalists aren't Off-Road people, and the Lightning isn't a dedicated off-road vehicle. This can do light off-roading if you need it to, but if you're gonna go off-road, buy a Bronco.
How many RV parks, Nation/State parks, Campgrounds etc have charging stations? Wonder what those lines will be like and how long it will take to charge up when these are all over the camp grounds? This may bring asphalt and concrete to the last reaming green spaces that mean something in order to provide that infrastructure for all the long time charging that will need to be taking place. I hope a ton of patience is included.
Well here in canada lots of rv parks have full hook ups you can plug this into any power source 120v 220v or dcfc 400v it doesn't have to be a specific charger it does come with adapters like most evs do
One of the first things I ever saw plugged in the first time I ever RV'd overnight to a campground was a Tesla car plugged in to the pole next to me. So if it's got power for plugging in your RV, there's also power to plug in your truck. May not be lots, but it exists by default.
Not hard to calculate, it's hard to match the speeds that it's calculating. Determining how much power is needed to align all four wheels' speed while they are slipping is a very difficult calculation to do. Think that's what Kyle is referring to.
Why don't they have some sort of Traction control. I definitely want it to apply that extra power to the right wheel when on ice or trying to drive through a muddy field or pasture. slipping a wheel means burying your truck on boggy ground or a muddy pasture haul then your definitely stuck and walking.
3:42 The traction control did help him pull the truck out of the hole, he was just trying to compare with rear lock diff and without rear lock diff, it's harder but traction control did work
@@Hanibul_Lecktor lol….. have you checked the latest Toyota crawl control!? Or are you just not well informed!? Toyota was the very first to have such features almost a decade ago, just like with turn assist….
Kyle said it - it needs a dedicated button for locking diff and more ground clearance and you have a killer vehicle. Ram will probably do that. They always take what Ford does, find the stuff it lacks, and then add those features. My Ram will allow you to put on the rear locker even in 2WD. Why? Probably cuz Ford won't. lol.
FYI: Ford's marketing term for the mechanical locking feature on the rear differential is "e-locker" (b/c it's electronically, not hydraulically or vacuum actuated, I believe), not to be confused with cross-axle traction control effects, which are all software based and not a mechanical locker...
That's why Silverado EV is coming next year and redesign Lightning in 2025 on TE1 platform.
This is a modified F-150 platform where GM Silverado EV BT1 is a EV from ground up next year.
Wait for Ford 2025 redesign.
The Ford F-150 Lightning is already being promised a redesign for the 2025 model year. Reuters mentioned this when discussing Ford’s production plans for the Lightning.
Can’t wait to get my XLT, even if you don’t like it 😂😂 Do you remember what efficiency the truck was getting while you were offroading?
So impressed with Kyle's versatility with off-road vehicle features and the ability for ad hoc commentary. Really coming a long way from his NC days. A reliable source for sure.
Hats off to the editing team as well for blending the out-of-vehicle views and interior commentary. Super helpful.
What was going on in The NC days? And what did he do before TH-cam?
like that the spotter can just talk normally because its so quiet xD
Unit your stuck and the battery life is to low and goes into limp mode😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The more of these videos I see the more excited I get, but also the more sad. I had my "spot in line" within two minutes of the announcement. Didn't so much as get an invite to order for any wave.
I took a test drive at the Dallas Auto Show last month, those things can haul, not to mention super quiet and stealthy to boot ;)
This truck is already nearly 100K in anything above the average trim with extended battery. And what does Kyle want? "I need a lift kit raptor version". Dude get real
I love the Ford BLue! I used to have XLT F-150 Ecoboost that would do Okay in things like that, with a lot of work... so, not so Okay I guess. Butt I wanted a Rivian, gave up on it b/c it will cost clost to $100K, and while I have a Jeep Wrangler RUbicon 4xe (PHEV) now, I miss having the bed and space of the F-150. My F-150 was black, but I ove the Blue! also, WHile I keep wanting to get teh XLT which make sense, I could only if you could add the pano roof to it! (I had that on my XLT, and LOVED IT!. Yeah, think while its not as hard core as the Rivian, I think if they offered a FX4 Lightning! wow! Price makes sense though. I paid like $57K for a 2019 XLT crew w/2.7L Ecoboost 4WD, and what they are asking for the Lightning mkes sense to me. the 4xe Jeep is like $64K as I bought it. Just make sure it has the tow pack, the roof, and a good sound system, and the Lariat sounds good at even $80K! (I'd still try to get XLT if I could add pano roof, tow & sound system).
THink they may make a Bronco EV? :) I know Jeep is working o0n a Wrangler EV>
I'd love to get the Pro version, but Ford Canada is like "No Pro for you, unless you run a fleet." So the "Base" model for Canada is the $68K XLT.
Great video. Raptor :I keep wondering why Ford did not Target the Raptor. The standard F-150 lighting has the problem of towing. The raptor is a lifestyle Truck more suitable for electric as. the Rivian and the Hummer show. Maybe the software was not ready.
Kyle is super impressed with the mechanical rear diff lock , he mentions it alot , and for good reason , it does a good job. But its interesting too that on the front axle there is a virtual differetial lock too , by utilisation of the brakes and software to prevent wheelspin , not as good as a full mechanical lock , but still is effective to bypass the 3 wheel drive problem when one wheel starts spinning.
A software problem is figuring out how fast you are spinning is crazy hard? That just sounds ridiculous.
Instant torque is incredible off-road. I was also impressed with the articulation considering the suspension setup it has.
Instant torque is like low range on ICE trucks with excellent torque control…..
@@carholic-sz3qv Yeah, very true
Is this the same San Antonio track that every TH-camr did this EV review. Yup .
This is the first I've heard that is has an actual mechanical locker. That's great! I assumed it was some sort of virtual ABS "locker". Even in the Pro model, that's crazy good value.
Dude slap some Rivian 34” tires on a lighting and have yourself a nice little sleeper offroader here
Thank you, always detailed and balanced. I couldn’t stand TFL truck review, most of the things they complained about the truck was not warranted for light off-road/work truck.
Agreed; there's been a good amount of unwarranted negativity around this and other EVs. It's a pretty special time to be an auto enthusiast.
I'm sorry to say it, I know that there probably in every F150 lighting, but I can't wait to see how they do it with the Cyber Truck.
Who supplied the diesel truck and trailer so you could make it out to the trail and back?
Musk has missed the opening gate...people remember first
You aren’t in south Texas. You are in central Texas.
Its not a real world lets go to the beach with soft send.
I am DEFINITELY looking forward to al ALL-EV Ford F150 Raptor model with the super long suspension and 37 inch tires on it!
One thing Ford MUST DO is increase driving range even if you have to put a big battery slab in the back bed. I know that much longer lasting Aluminum-Sulfur batteries are coming soon but in the meantime Ford MUST INCREASE driving range to about 600 Miles+ (960 km) by using a slab-type truck-bed battery on any new F150 models.
V
love the F150 lighting and the R1T Rivian
imagine this: Black truck, and if you could "smoke" that lightbar (whit part around lights)... make whoe truck look black. How sweet would that look? start working on it aftermarket folks! :) I really did love my F-150 XLT w/black appearance pack. :)
A rear wheel drive can do that stupid course.
"off road trail" ... issa dirt road, homie
Wonder if they will sell them in the uk.
You should really link this video from the other lightning videos, I didn't even know this channel existed. I was wondering if you got to do the off-road course, I watched TFLs the other day.
No locking front to rear -- you wouldn't need to since you have two motors, and there is no center diff or other mechanical connection front/rear to lock. The vehicle could just decide to send the same torque front and rear in off road mode. It would be interesting to know if that's what they do, or some other split, or dynamically adjusted somehow. Thanks for a great video as always.
The reason a locking center diff works is because the wheels are physically unable to move at different speeds to each other because the locker prevents it.
If you have different grip levels front-rear and send the same power/torque to both motors, you’ll get different wheel speeds and might start digging yourself in. So like Kyle said, they have to very precisely measure grip levels to decide the right amount power and brakes to each wheel.
@@borisdemelo More specifically a locking center diff forces the front and rear driveshafts to turn at the same rate. With open diffs at the front and rear axles, wheel speeds are able to vary wildly - e.g. a locked center diff with open front and rear differentials will, when placed in a cross-axle situation with one rear wheel in the air and one front wheel in the air, result in the airborne wheels free spinning and the wheels on the ground doing nothing.
What I would like too see is how much battery power is used when towing a 9000 lb travel trailer.
Looking forward to seeing the offroad comparison between this and the Rivian which does not have a mechanical locker as I understand it.
It will be interesting in a few years when people start building lift kits for these things like they have in the ICE f150's
Can anyone speak to the long term efficiency of electric car motors? If you have an old cell phone you'll notice that the older it gets the less it holds a charge, it lasts shorter and shorter every month. I'm wondering to what degree that will happen to these cars. Gasoline engines also decrease in efficiency as they age but not in the same way. Not ripping on electric cars, just curious.
They do have battery degradation. I don’t know how much. You can never get real answers.
I think . It’s 10 years .?
holy crap the audio is awesome again ! thank you!
Ford a good time "Slam on the accelerator pedal" - no typos here
You drive this off road much better than Sandy Munro drives his Rivian! He could take a few lessons from you!
What is the price of this XLT?
seems like almost centered on may of those rocks, can you increase clearance? Wish it wasn't a prepared course.
Gotta remember, lots of car journalists aren't Off-Road people, and the Lightning isn't a dedicated off-road vehicle. This can do light off-roading if you need it to, but if you're gonna go off-road, buy a Bronco.
How many RV parks, Nation/State parks, Campgrounds etc have charging stations? Wonder what those lines will be like and how long it will take to charge up when these are all over the camp grounds? This may bring asphalt and concrete to the last reaming green spaces that mean something in order to provide that infrastructure for all the long time charging that will need to be taking place. I hope a ton of patience is included.
Well here in canada lots of rv parks have full hook ups you can plug this into any power source 120v 220v or dcfc 400v it doesn't have to be a specific charger it does come with adapters like most evs do
One of the first things I ever saw plugged in the first time I ever RV'd overnight to a campground was a Tesla car plugged in to the pole next to me. So if it's got power for plugging in your RV, there's also power to plug in your truck. May not be lots, but it exists by default.
What lift for 35s no rub
How is it difficult to calculate wheel speed when they have a sensor to measure it?
Not hard to calculate, it's hard to match the speeds that it's calculating. Determining how much power is needed to align all four wheels' speed while they are slipping is a very difficult calculation to do. Think that's what Kyle is referring to.
I just want to see an electric raptor
that would be sick
You're in luck. There's a video of one released just a few days ago.
This is so stupid and a vw bug could off road like you guys are doing
overland =/= offroading
Why don't they have some sort of Traction control. I definitely want it to apply that extra power to the right wheel when on ice or trying to drive through a muddy field or pasture. slipping a wheel means burying your truck on boggy ground or a muddy pasture haul then your definitely stuck and walking.
3:42 The traction control did help him pull the truck out of the hole, he was just trying to compare with rear lock diff and without rear lock diff, it's harder but traction control did work
th-cam.com/video/UMG_lmVI2pk/w-d-xo.html This guy did the same thing on the same spot, TC did its job without locking rear diff
Does it have something like crawl control!? 😂 😂 I mean no pedal input driving like Toyota!?
Or like the Bronco or Ranger terrain control? Yes, no touch pedal other than to brake/stop. Much smoother than the Toyota version.
@@Hanibul_Lecktor lol….. have you checked the latest Toyota crawl control!? Or are you just not well informed!? Toyota was the very first to have such features almost a decade ago, just like with turn assist….
Kyle said it - it needs a dedicated button for locking diff and more ground clearance and you have a killer vehicle. Ram will probably do that. They always take what Ford does, find the stuff it lacks, and then add those features. My Ram will allow you to put on the rear locker even in 2WD. Why? Probably cuz Ford won't. lol.
Great video Kyle!