How Mexico’s Jalisco New Generation Cartel Is Preying on Americans | Change Agents #60
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- Today on Change Agents, Andy Stumpf learns about how the violent Jalisco New Generation Cartel is raking in millions by preying on elderly Americans with elaborate phone scams.
His guest, Steve Fisher, is an investigative reporter based in Mexico City who covers organized crime in Mexico for outlets including the New York Times, USA Today, Washington Post and the LA Times.
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Meanwhile the IRS hunts you down for not reporting that 721 dollars you sent from Cash app
The US government has always gotten their hands dirty with the Mexican Cartels. To me they are exactly the same , I see no difference.
I agree.the only thing all governments care about is money like Americas government does not care about there own people.forget about people in other countries very sad but its true.
That is a fact!!
The usa DEA is part of the mexican drug cartels
and Mexican gov too. We are fucked from both sides
@@mariopalma5260 but for México right now is inposible figting to drug cartels because the DEA and the CIA there's inbolved whith the drug cartels and algo they sales Guns fires making the cartel more strongers
You guys should do a video about how Americans of Mexican decent that are ex USA military are training the cartels, selling them weapons, and teaching them how to make explosives, etc.
I’d like to see the link for this information
@@EfsWorld714I don’t think there is a link like there isn’t a link for the scams Jalisco cartel is doing to senior Americans and timeshare scam, but what I do know is a lot of Mexicans that were brought here as children and that have been deported speak perfect English with an American accent. You can tell if it’s an Indian scammer calling from the IRS, but it’s hard to tell if it’s a scam with an American accent. The cartels are also hiring Spanish ex military. There is a prison in southern Mexico that if any foreigners get arrested in Mexico they get sent to that specific prison and it’s full of Americans of Mexican decent, Central Americans, and Spaniards. The reason the cartels hire Mexican-Americans is because they speak the language and understand each other. I’m Sure the cartels have hired white and black Americans, but they mostly hire Mexican Americans because of the language barrier.
Such traitors.
@@RaisedxFist would u consider military contractors traitors as well because technically they both are both being hired. The difference is one gets paid by Uncle Sam the other gets paid by American drug attics.
@@RaisedxFisttraitors? How about them white kids that were caught smuggling in migrants at $15k a piece while working for the National Guard? Everyone becomes corrupt when given the opportunity.
America can find bin Laden but can’t stop cartels in America 😱🤯🤯
Because cartel and American government are best friends
Don’t believe everything you hear lol
I thought the same thing. I don’t think they want to stop them to be honest. The cartels have a lot of money laundering businesses that pay millions in taxes, as well as the government gets to keep all the money confiscated
Why would they want to? Too much money in fighting the "war" on drugs.
Stakeholders
Unpopular opinion here from a Méxican.
Every cartel member and sicario is a north American agent but they just don't know yet.
I mean.. Mexicans ARE north American as it is, right? You mean Anglo American, or Canadian/United States American? We all North American.
@@charleygnarly1182 I'm aware of what you say.
We should change the definition of the region.
That literally doesn't make any sense.
@@f1point2 wanna know what doesn't make sense?
Why haven't been caught a kingpin as powerful as Pa blo Escobar or El Chapo Guzman inside the U.S.?
Ufff justo en el clavo
Organized crime is organized for a reason.
Drugs might be an easy payday, but if you expect them to be happy with that you just do not understand the human condition. Power corrupts, you know the rest.
50 years from now cartels and corporations will be the same thing.
I am so glad you are covering this subject!
I don’t know who is leading the bogus calls from Medicare.
But I was receiving over 40 to 50 calls a day. At the same time, I was looking for a new job - So I answered every call.
First of all - I’m not old enough to receive Medicare.
Second - I am Not on any government assistance.
These calls come from a number you’re unable to call back.
I finally had enough.
I looked up Medicare’s phone number… I waited roughly a hour to talk to a representative of the organization.
When the representative came in the line and asked for my information. I explained I’m not old enough to be on Medicare however can you check the data base to see if my phone number is attached?
I let her know her organization is calling me more than 40 times a day.
I also explained I must answer the phone because I need a job… and I’m worried that the *ONE call I Need to receive is going to happen and more than likely I’ll answer it with a less than friendly voice.
The representative said it is impossible that they are calling me due to the fact they don’t make out going calls.
I asked if there is a company that is calling on behalf of Medicare regarding benefits.. she asked me to hold on.
She came back and gave me a donotcall government website.
I added my number to that list.
I then called my phone provider and asked if they could block phone numbers that aren’t real. (Meaning if I dial the number back it is not a working number)
The phone company told me not to answer calls from people I don’t know.
Great service! (Double eye roll, sigh)
Regarding the people that called- I haven’t given them any information however how many senior citizens have? The elderly person would think they are speaking to Medicare?
Important note - even though I signed up on the donotcall government site, I still receive calls but it’s dropped to roughly 15 to 20 calls a day
I like your style!
@@DEVanderbiltCecil Yes, I've been having the same problem. These calls fill up my messages and I have to go through all the messages about every two weeks.
If they're a real call they will leave a message. Don't answer. Call back.
@@politicalsheepdogI have same issue
I have the same issue
He needs to be very careful, that reporter from Mexico 🇲🇽
we are weak without Christ
An elderly women whom I love dearly was scammed for $60,000. When we had a conversation about how it had happened, she said she was very lonely and she appreciated someone taking time to give her the attention she needed. She thought they might be up to something, but she craved companionship and they fulfilled that need for her.
I've met many old people that got scammed long before cartels got into the business and they were all definitely lonely.
Everyone with old people they care about needs to make sure they and others spend more time with them and teach them not to give their information away over the phone or Internet
@@Pwn3540 Absolutely. I was not a family member and filled in for that position. However, after she lost the money, they were very involved.
When IRONCLAD does more real "Journalizing" than so-called journalists from msdnc & their ilk. Investigative journalism at it's finest!
I agree. All talk. I can’t even stomach to watch the news anymore.
Im not a fan of MSNBC at all. That being said Fox News is not above the same BS. Hence why most are on youtube seeking independent journalism.
Ultimately it is up to us as citizens and free thinkers to sift through all the BS and all the narratives they try to spin on either side of the aisle. Take all that information and create your own stance and opinion.
We need more people capable of thinking for themselves.
Its open domain knowledge, that the biggest cartel in Mexico is the US GOVERNMENT most cartels are CIA / Jesuit controlled (mormon facade gobetweens)ALL of the OG Mexican Cartel leaders from the 70s/80s are still alive and walking free FOR A REASON. They are the “go-betweens” for the CIA/Vatican Empire.
the reason CJNG is getting so much heat is more so bcus they are privateers perhaps not yet under CIA control …
The “heat” goes to the competition that is not under control …
It would be irresponsible to call this “journalism” without realizing the US Govt is complicit in the drug trade…
Everything i said is in the open domain.
Do. Your. Research. This Ironclad is “mockingbird media” to a degree basically.
If you do your research you’ll know. :)
This is interesting, however, it happened to me in 1976. I wanted to work on the Trans Alaskan pipeline. As a Union Pipefitter I paid 400$ to a “placement“ company that “Guarantee Me” a job on the pipeline. I lost my 400.00$ but didn’t give them any more money and they stopped all contract. Outstanding video and thanks!
I’m a UA member. Why would you pay someone any money to “place” you somewhere? I’ve never heard of that.
@@lsxthis Well in the middle’70 that was the only way to get a gig on the pipeline. My union was the Boilermakers Union and not pipe welder union. At the time I think it was the 211 Pipewelders union. They didn’t recognize my Pipefitters card. So I did what I thought I could to get there. I’m not sure what card you held or what union you were affiliated with but that was my only path.
211 is a fitter local. You being a boilermaker, I don’t know how you have a “fitter card.” Unless you are a UA member, I don’t see how you can be a fitter. I also dont see how any “placement company” could place you anywhere like that. You still have to take a call and get dispatched through the hall. You’re also a boiler maker, not a fitter. Unless you are a UA member, you’re not a fitter.
@@lsxthis Our dispatch office focused on local placement. I said what I said and stand by it. I don’t know what you’re trying to say or prove. I left the union and moved on. And buy the way it was 1976, I’m sure things have changed. I hope you have a good day!
So, its possible that this didnt happen from Mexico?
I just wish the CIA would stop arming the cartels, and stop putting Mormon families fleeing to the US border in such danger. Unforgivable!!!
Who cares about a mob of fleeing cultists?
Cartel In Area 🤫
If they were Protestant, this would never happen. Yawn, atonement.
Thats rediculous and a conspiracy theory. Mexico and mexicans will always be peseant sheep unless they take responsibility for whats wrong with thier country and how it affects other countries.
Those same families geocided the first nation natives
Cartels would be a good training op for US special forces.
On it 😂
You never heard of the school of the America's have you?
@longhairdontcare122 what's that? what do I search, exactly?
@@pho-King "school of the Americas", and have fun
We gave the Taliban free training 😒😶🤔 that didn't work
Advice from a mexican here.
Something very important has been mentioned in the video, part of the scam is that a Mexican person wants to buy the timeshare for an even greater amount of money... Hear me out, very, but VERY few people has spare money enough to buy a timeshare, and rest assured that they will not buy at higher rates; our wages are not high at all and, due to inflation it is already a challenge to make ends and have savings. We rather just book a regular hotel and that´s it.
One must have massive incomes to actually buy a timeshare. This can be a good hint to tell if you are about to be scammed. Cheers.
Well said
Mr. Andy, I really enjoy your podcasts. I tried not to find another podcast to listen to, but dayuum! You and Mr. Shawn and Team Dog are my 3 faves! Keep up the great work brother and thank you!
A friend of a friend was telling me he was on a ride across the border with other motorcycle riders and this cartel held them for a ransom. And got it. Was the weirdest story to hear that a bunch of giant American vets on motorcycles were taken captive in Mexico
Simple solution, DON"T GO TO MEXICO, which has been my mantra since the early 80's.
Interesting and good information, gonna spread the word n recommend the cast
Been going on for years already. Before CJNG, people from india would call saying they were the IRS
THANKs for the JOURNALISM. Heads-Up. And SOME in STATE or FED Jobs should BE Checked by SUPERIORs Closer & OFTEN. 🙏🇺🇲
The public is the government superiors
i am super happy cynicism is my strongest attribute. never trust ANYONE.
As you age, there’s a very good chance you’ll change and get more vulnerable. Many old people used to be very sharp. It’s biology, simply inevitably
That’s why the DoD doesn’t want an employee to buy or own property in foreign countries or you forfeit your employment.
Well, the DoD should be preventing foreigners from owning property in the USA.
OK * PAUSE RIGHT THERE * " So , you send us this $3000 tax, and we send you your $75000" 😂😂😂 Id be like.. JUST GO AHEAD AND DEDUCT THAT TAX FROM THE 75, and SEND ME $72000 !!!! 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽🤣🤣🤣
That's what I would say, too.
My friend who is disabled had her social security # stolen and it was appearing that whomever (plural) was using it was working at McDonald's up and down the East &Southeast states and used it for medical bills as well as, filed an insurance claim. Very much a nightmare to try to help her undo the damage. I hate criminals who prey on defenseless people like seniors!
I worked for a national bank for many years, these scams are not new, I heard of them back in 2005 when I started. The elderly that get hit for the most usually have beginning stages of Alzheimer’s or other diminishing mental capacity and get sucked in. I knew of a client that sent off several hundred thousand dollars. Only thing you can do from originating bank POV is put an alert on profile and pull the client aside and talk them out of it.
So, its not only Mexico that this is happening from?
These scams are played on the victim's greed.
Cartels are in everywhere, their your next door neighbors in america and other countries. The guy who created this video could be Hired by the cartels, politicians, congress local cops. Very tricky people.. to make you think different
What if the U.S. Government had a part in this role?
Always did
The timeshare scam is very old. When I was in Peurto Vallarta in 1987, on my one and only ever trip to Mexico, I would be approached on every other block I walked by a guy wanting to sell me a timeshare property. I felt I saw right through it. Why? Earlier in my life I had roommates, so I knew just how probable it would be that I would get to use the property. Also, as a Californian, I already knew that owning property in Mexico was no guarantee that you actually owned it. We already had enough of Mexico in California to know that doing business in or with Mexicans was very risky and unreliable. The only reason seniors are being scammed is due to greed, just like the Nigerian Letter Scams.
Why do you suppose there’s Mexico in California?
Long before your immigrant as arrived it’s was Mexico and there will be Mexicans there long after you gone.
Thank you Andy, my own grandmother wouldn't talk to me for WEEKS, because she thought I was I jail in Mexico. My family is tight, if I'm I jail in Mexico, they know I'll be back. But she (91) wasn't sure. Our family worked it out , but I was amazing how well they executed this fraud.
My wife sells insurance, the method they use sounds just like insurance sales and cold calling. I'd bet money they took over previous call centers and run it the same way. What I'd like to know is who sold them the lists for their cold calls. They didn't just open the yellow pages. They likely bought a list of people's names ages etc from a company. Who is that company?
The black market
@@bigdog2352 I doubt it. There's companies that sell these lists. They'd have knowledge of the company they sold them to.
All 3 credit rating agencies have operations in India and the Philippines. You can bet all that info is getting sold and traded.
The lists were stolen directly using computer hacking. No problem
These lists have been hacked umpteen times and are everywhere.
Stupidity should never be ok no matter how old you are
My father is 88 and has difficulties understanding what has been said to him. He shouldn't have a phone but then I need to be in contact with him so if you and your parents live separately they are "fair game" to criminals. We need to restructure societies,we need to take care of our parents personaly.
That's true. However many/most elderly people are COMPLETELY overwhelmed by and completely not equipped for how much technology has advanced. They didn't grow up with it. It's all pretty new in the grand scheme of things.
And as bright on it as the youth are today and as natural as it may come to them, by the time they are in their 70's and 80's new technologies will have advanced so far that they are in the same exact boat and they'll be equally easy targets. And so on and so on.
It's not nearly as much that they are "stupid", it's that they are in WAY over their heads. As will happen to you, me, our kids, our grandkids, and our grandkids grandkids when they all get old. Technology and sinister, nefarious, malevolent people will ALWAYS be ahead of the elder population of any period of time.
Don't get left behind simple as that. The world evolves.
Make sure you evolve with it or get left behind.
@@ms-jl6dl I had a person try to sell my partners aging mother something and a pastor stole thousands from her because they know how to con people. Enough with the victim blaming, these criminals are unscrupulous!
Some elderly people are so desparate for human interaction that they will fall for cons.
Most old people go into mental decline, add to that the fact that many people don’t have family anymore, few children, re;strives etc, and you have a recipe for disaster. Scamming old people is going to be huge in the years to come,
The call center scams aren't new. Various MOBs have been into these scams for years, I personally worked for a few when I lived in Tijuana. It's hard for the employee to know exactly what's going on on the back end but everyone has an idea it's a scam.
The first of your videos I listened to was the one about Jeffrey Epstein and I have been listening since then. I have even gone back and listened to some older episodes as I have time to do so. Such interesting topics. Really appreciate what you're doing here.
Yall had some good banter at the end there, would love to see this guy coke back
The cartels are so competent, they've installed a woman as president in a "macho" nation, allegedly.
Naaah, Blackrock is the winner with our new woman president this is my humble opinion as Mexican
Excuse my ignorance, but can you enlighten me as to why?
Cartel fools come prey on me !! My arsernal is getting a little bored
Stfu. Calm your tits Rambo 😂
Don't end up on watchpeopledie
I wouldn't want to tell el mencho that it doesn't end well
The more i watch thing like this the more I realize that I can never be trusted with "the button".
Give it to the Father (original invisible) first..... he's gotta button too...🐾🐾🐾🐾😎
Some people simply stop being around that nobody misses...
This needs to be known by all Americans.
Omg then what
operation fast and furious ATF was selling thousands of guns to the cartels
Gracias
Another terrific interview! Thanks for the wonderful information. Both such heroes!
You should reach out to retirement communities to spread awareness there directly to the impacted population.
We have come to time's, that people express, that they love talking about cartels, is demoralizing.
"...our public life, our private life, our secret life" (Chris Mc Donogh), The secret life is where the scam is effective
Alot of english speaking call centers are in India. Some ppl migrating from South America up to the border are from India. I've only seen it once but there are these group of hackers that have a show catching scammers. The part i saw was them hacking into the call center & had the ppl working on camera telling them their names who was to the right & who was to the left of the worker they were talking to.
Thing of an organization like Walmart. If you judged the organization by the door greeters and cashiers alone, you would grossly underestimate the company.
It is 100% true. Last year, one of my relatives was scammed 25k.
Do you mean capitalism?
No. Extortion.
@@perpetualsremodeling6032 I don't see the difference. I'm sorry to hear that though.
Ive Seen YT Commercials about "Buying Your Timeshare and doing all the Paperwork for you" Who knows that might have been a legit Company, But now I'm Curious if it was or not. (I don't own a timeshare but the Commercial was memorable.
They called me today asking me about my mom … I hung up but wow they really be scamming
Don't talk to the pretty girls selling time shares at airport. Right at the end before your out of the building. 267;000 time share four weeks a year
Let’s face it scamming is 90% Greed of the scammed !!!
like stock markets is gambling !! So Buyer Beware 😳😳😳
Andy
You will appreciate this one. I’m on what I think is a Cabellas wedsite. It looked exactly like one. I was trying to buy a KAC upper (16 inches for Cali ) and the price was good but not too good to be true. So now I’m on the phone with a heavily accented gentleman but I’m the USA Today , my brain says don’t think bad because the guy has an accent. Anyways , they claim I can get free shipping if I Zelle the money today. So I have my wife do the Zelle , it was your dad’s $800. I start to get that wierd feeling whip the Zelle is going through so I call cabella tech support and they look at the site and tell it’s real, then they call me back and say it’s not. I tracked the Zelle name to a Facebook out of Chicago. I sent them a few friendly messages and the Facebook was gone. So there it was. Gone in a second. Cabellas told me to pound sand. I was an idiot but it seemed good.
I got the summary in like the first 30 sec so cartel member visits Africa and says you making what? Ok say less lol
I think Mexico would join BRICS after taking over the US peripheral/retired population liquid assets larceny market from India. This is good long investment portfolio research. As usual Lt Stumpf, quality awareness.
Wow. Amazing news about money and wealth from US citizens
Just say No!
Try that .
Love the show, but there are just way too many commercials. Between the ads and "sponsors" i found myself dealing with an ad every 3-5 min.
This happens with insurance fakes also. They get your info and send bills that look absolutely real for small amounts.
As with ALL things - If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
It’s 2024 and people are falling for “Time Share” scams you deserve to lose your money. Because the proof is in the pudding. A “time share” means you share a product/ property with 1000’s of other people. It’s not yours to begin with. 🤦🏽♂️
What the drug money wasn't enough? These guys need to go down.
Nope!!! Can’t say what I want on here but we know who the real bad guys are!! Look in the mirror
This is a more elaborate scam based on the one where they call you and say they are your cousin/uncle/friend that Emigrated to the USA and that they were sending an Xbox/TV and if you could borrow money so they can pay DHL, then they pass themselfs as DHL and say that they have the product but then they have to pay fees, then they have to pay taxes, and then they can go on.
Yeah he shouldn’t handle anyone’s finances
Now there making local farmers pay them money
This is what I've been telling people for a few years. This is their job. For any "Criminal". They have titles, OJT, experience, etc etc. Even EDC for "off-duty".
That's like saying that what Jeffrey Epstein did was a "job".
Nemesio Rubén Oseguera Cervantes
Referred to as “El Bitcho”
Preying on the old and weak. Wow. Desperate times, desperate peoples
They're rich,that's the problem. Old and weak makes it easy. That's who all criminals target first - the weak.
He doesn’t understand any of Andy’s sarcasm 😂 clearly he doesn’t watch cleared hot lol
Dude everyone around the world has people's ssn, they've been bought in the dark web for years
Work ethic pays off
In any industry
Hi
Please investigate and make a show about who buys the millions of dollars worth of drugs in the United States.
Who are the buying cartels iwn the U.S.?
WE Know the names of the cartels in mexico, but I don't know of any names of people or cartels in America.
What's going on with this?
Steven is very soy
And?
--- We haven't seen you do a talk on this headline :
"The UN & Mexico are working together against your guns."
by Nation Association for Gun Rights.
It's a story worthy of your 2nd Ammendment viewers who haven't heard of it yet.
We need people like Frank Castle.. Too help we the people
Life is not a movie 😂
@@ovniusa15I Know life is more cruel.
maybe frank castle can teach you the difference between to/too/two...
Great show but you have more commercials than any podcast I've ever seen
How come you never talk about the Narco gringos. Which is much lucrative in the US . How does the brokers in the USA who import the drugs distribute the drugs .
Sounds like Mexican cartels are copying American scammers exact same tactics! So terrifying 😂😂😂😂
Bidens America
But it’s not Biden’s America. Why did we just give it to him? We live in the pinnacle of life . USA 🇺🇸 #1 . But it’s doesn’t feel that way . Because Biden simple just lets people people play mind games with money as strings and project news headlines. You don’t even have to watch the content when you scroll for videos. just read the biased headline. Two views that are so radical that we don’t agree. And are always distracted .There is no middle ground. That middle ground they are trying to hide from you . The middle ground is Kennedy 2024. 🇺🇸 . It’s the KENENDY philosophy, the elites kryptonite. The they killed who possessed it. JFK and brother RFK. Now they try RFK jr. daily hoping for him to slip. Don’t throw away your vote this election. Vote for freedom. Nowadays slavery is mental. 🇺🇸
Real news
Voters must be certain of the choices they make.
American greed gets you in trouble
Every senior citizen I know won't eat at Taco Bell, much less vacation in Mexico.
Really? There are literal cities and town of Americans and Canadians.
There is a lakeside town in Jalisco where I go every 2 or 3 years and there are so many white Americans living in the area that I can go to every store and restaurant and order/ pay for things 100% in english.
Same thing for some seaside towns in the state of Nayarit.
Hell, my Irish boss whos like 60 years old goes to Mexico more often than I do and he even got married there!😅
@@MyOldNameWasTaken Give it time.
@@MyOldNameWasTaken yea..im close to being one of them. may rethink
The Sinaloa Cartel has turned in 6-10 people that have murdered Americans.
They're well known for handing over innocent people just to please law enforcement and media to take the heat off themselves..
Because they know once america puts focus on them it's Over
I don't believe it and more personally I don't care they've already done what they've done and there's no turning back anymore.... If they think what the first reply commenter said then we can all justify them as cowards.... I give no sympathy for yellowbacks
@@yunghelio244 Ehh...regardless of the reason, they've handed over murderers of American's. Not at all saying the Cartel is stocked full of good people. But there's a whole bunch you don't know. Like how much we fund them. How if we really stop this absurd "war on drugs" and just make advancements to understand how to legalize everything, itd be much better than waging some sort of fuckin military operation against them. Lol
Yeah.. they've probably ratted out... I mean "turned in" their competitors from other cartels. They're just weakening the competition to strengthen themselves. That is all. They don't give a flying F about ANYONE but themselves.
The American mafia did Precisely the same thing.
Whitey Bulger and MANY other mobsters literally made a career out of it. Using the Feds to weaken/take out their competition.
It's not even Remotely out of kind hearts that they do that.
OG SHADOW ❤
When you're addicted to adrenaline life ya gotta pacify it.... even after the drugs are gone 🐾🐾🐾🐾🐾😎🤔
We are all in true danger. But then again, how do we light the match and begin the games? Can we declare war squid games?
Was in Puerto Vallarta 2002/3 you could smell the criminality everywhere !!!
When you know you know !!
The back of your neck just stood up from the airport to the golf course 😳😳😳
In a serious country, the cartels would be at the top of the list, and we would lay waste to them at every turn….we sadly do not live in a serious country.
“Preying”, if the cartel messes with you as an American then said cartel was paying you for something.
American 😤
They can't do that control
Let’s talk about cartels here in the United States of America and Canada and Europe the invisible Cartels Of the World
Glad I’m not this guy 😳 I hope he finds somewhere safe very soon 😳😳
Sounds like unfettered capitalism in a free market. Good argument against that and for some manner of regulating business.
Amlo is going to say he has alternative facts that its actually Nigerian princes operating in Mexico but not the cartels.
Although I really don’t care for Amlo I’m not sure what your point is regarding Amlo. Let’s clean our house first; cocaine in OUR White House (not once but twice 🤔), drug addicts galore and our government are the enablers but yet we want to trash talk Mexico (pointing fingers).
Let’s start with our house first! I could go on but what’s the use.
Steven isn’t street smart lol
shouldn't cartels be prime pickings for our intel agencies to use and refine their skills?
After 2 days there’s barely 5,000 views with the other “fill-in host”, that personally I’m not a fan of. Yet after 2 hours there’s over 10,000 views with Andy…… it’s almost like there’s a clear difference between the two Lol 😂🤷♂️