After suffering through two decades of cheesy televangelists and watered down evangelical worship music, it’s refreshing to watch an in-depth and serious discussion of the Bible.
That's just it everyone talks with the word in their own way, my cousin claims judas didn't just betray jesus as how he understood it. Having watched jesus preform miracles, judas went to boast and laud jesus's virtues and abilities to the romans kind of like a challenge. I'll take you to him and he's going to utterly trounce you, kind of mind set not knowing jesus wouldn't resist. We all read what we relate to.
The multiple theory is perfect established through the universal & geographical peregrination lessons&merit ...) , but people with (psycho, physical, environmental, responsible, habit, mental, interest )levels . Do not take one disciple as granted for one circle. Do read all disciples, compare and analyse each purpose, subject/topic/story case and apply to the real person/group in an analysis approach but they may (not) understand the consequence of each behaviour linked in the society.Even the religious Jew has own division of eruv Sabbath.
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"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him..." 1. Corinthians 2, 14
You're right on the money. 1 Corinthians 1:18-21 is so relevant when I hear these unregenerated intellectuals discussing scripture. They are missing the mark by a million miles, when it comes to the truth of God.
@@GospelTestimony A lot of people are very focused on money and fortune, plus other basic needs like home and family. That's it. However, there is so much more that the whole world has to offer. We almost have everything beneath us and above too. It's incredible.
The best interpretation method is to "let scripture interpret scripture". The biblical themes then emerge in their full depth and richness. For example, how can one understand Jesus' discussion on "living water" in the fourth chapter of John's gospel without knowing its temple imagery in the Old Testament and also its symbolism at the close of the book of Revelation? And how can one fully appreciate the indwelling of the Holy Spirit without a knowledge of temple theology? The themes of scripture carry through the entire bible with remarkable depth and clarity.
That is kinda dangerous actually because it mostly leads to division of the truth, and without knowing the context or even the history of it, anyone can interpret the scriptures literally. The best answer would lead us back to the Church who has the supreme authority to interpret it. Because it is the Church that made the Bible and therefore should be the one who has the authority to bring us to the truth. Christ gave us His Church and through the Church birthed the sacred scriptures. Another thing is to see the scriptures on the lenses of the Church Fathers. They were one of the first and one of the founding members of the Church like the Apostles, so they have more right to say on what the stories of the bible are because we believe that all the knowledge and authority were handed over to them by the Apostles and disciples of Jesus. Ok
It's interesting to listen to these brilliant intellects floundering around in texts meant partly to confound the intellect, but more, to enlighten the spirit.
Yh hopefully this council can actually clarify the trinity rather than make it a huge amount of mental gymnastics so that we don't call the religion inherently polytheist.
The disciples asked Jesus, 'why do you speak in parables'? Jesus replied, 'the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you but not to them. Though seeing, they do not see, though hearing, they do not hear nor understand.' Jesus also said, 'No-one knows the Son except the Father, and no-one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.' No matter how much academic prowess you think is needed to understand scriprure, in order to 'know' God, it is only by revelation of the Spirit of God that mankind can ever know and commune with Him.
This is... amazing? It's as if I'm in the middle of a bunch of professors that are discussing a very difficult subject, and I'm taking notes - for free! Thanks DailyWire.
Watch Jonathan's talk on bishops Barron's podcast from a few weeks back. Then two are miles ahead of the rest of the panel in terms of biblical understanding.
@@naikhanomtom7552If anyone reads this and wants to watch it, the video is Jonathon Pageau and Bishop Barron, it’s 3 months old as of me commenting this. If you just look up Jonathon and Bishop Barron, you will pretty much only get the podcast with Bishop Barron and Jonathon Roumie, the guy who plays Jesus Christ in the TV series The Chosen (good show btw).
The Church came about before the Gospels were written. The Gospels point to the tradition passed down to us via the Church. The Church gives us the lens through which to read the Gospels. Thank goodness Bishop Barron was there, because these professors are in danger of shedding a great deal of darkness (rather than light) on this subject.
@@dirtknocker2587 The year was stablish the Bible and what book enter in the cannon and what books did not enter was all at the 372 AC. 72 books where selected and who chose them? Why no the letters of Clement but yes to the book of Hebrews??? Why Luke that said he wrote of his own inspiration his letters and no Clement? Clement said he was inspired by the Holy Spirit and u read him and sound very biblical but is no in the Bible and why? Because Jesus stablish a church no a Bible and the church decided what book enter into the cannon. Jesús mentioned who hear you, hear me, who don't hear you don't hear me and gave the Key of heaven to Peter, than in books of the Acts of the apostles show the visible church and this is before the Bible! One more....Jesus mentioned that there is no books enough to write all he teaches them! Saint Paul thanks the disciples for keeping the traditions and they where though by Word and Writed! So...yes....THE CHURCH HAS THE AUTHORITY SAME AS THE BIBLE AND MAGISTERIUM AND IS GAVE BY JESUS. blessings
I like to visualize it was a plane of meaning "vectors", all pointing at a higher truth. And in areas where it self-conflicts, its pointing at more than one higher truth, and if we could rise to the level of those higher truths we'd find those truths are pointing to another, even higher truth. Ultimately unifying more and more each step you ascend.
People often misinterpret scripture due to their pride. There's a big difference between human knowledge and divine wisdom. Many try to place themselves above God, which leads to misunderstandings of scripture, often requiring a scholar or false teachers to explain it. This is similar to the Pharisees and Sadducees who created barriers for others seeking God. True understanding of scripture comes through the Holy Spirit. If you genuinely seek God, insights and interpretations will be revealed to you, almost like a blind person gaining sight. Unfortunately, many interpret scripture based on their own desires rather than God's intentions. With patience, the right biblical interpretations will come to light in due time. No amount of speculation or artificial intelligence can grasp God's mind, as many only perceive the visible and miss the deeper, unseen truths.
Amen. And this holds with all scriptures, all holy books, those who interpret have no place to interpret to begin with, due to the corruption of the synagogue, the church and the mosque, we now have 1 religion divided in 3 and each one thinks that the other is different than its own, and each thinks that its holds the truth while the others are false, because of the misinterpretation of the scripture by people who like you said are invaded by pride and those who are prideful are without a doubt ignorant and those who are ignorant are without a doubt dominated by darkness, so in conclusion it is darkness who deliberately uses those close to the prophets of god in order to prevert the meaning and then centuries go by with that misinterpretation giving us as a result the actual world we live in, but everything has a purpose, so this too was meant for something greater than what we can understand.
@@nicolasbascunan4013in simple terms he is saying come genuinely with humble spirit acknowledge that you can never understand the scriptures unless first you accept them as profound truth and perfect two willing to live by what they teach you then will u receive revelation
The difference with Christianity is that it's not merit based as with the others... God thru his sins substitutionary sacrifice rescued those who would come to him by allowing his son to take the punishment.. With the mosque and the synagogue...on your death bed one is not really sure if they've said or done enough to merit heaven. For Christians it's living by faith in tbe person who accomplished everything on the Christians behalf
It's because likely none of these men have the Spirit of God residing within. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14
@@nicolasbascunan4013 That's incorrect. The only people who can know that they are being guided by HIM (The Holy Spirit is not an it, but a person) are those who have the Spirit indwelling, and any judgment made is in keeping with the clear Word of God. The problem with these men on the panel is that they are intellectuals, who are trying to interpret the Word of God intellectually, and not taking it at face value for the statements it makes. There is nothing "mysterious" about the Gospels, when taken at face value. "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:13-14
The main problem with a group of people discussing the interpretation of scripture is the ignorance of the Holy Spirit’s internal, authority in understanding the truth. Without the Spirit spiritual truth cannot be known.
@@nicolasbascunan4013 God sent the Holy Spirit to draw sinners searching for truth. The Holy Spirit draws them to understand the truth of the gospel and when they receive the gospel by faith they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and their spiritual eyes are opened. God then enables us who have the Holy Spirit to understand the spiritual truths revealed in his word and to test the spirit of those around us to bear witness of this truth. People who profess to be in Christ, but are not, cannot understand the truths and depths of the scriptures. This is one reason there are divisions in “Christianity.”
There are layers of depth in understanding the gospel . Simple believing like a child is the most important and easy to understand . My cousin has an IQ of 80. He has mental retardation . He can easily explain his faith in Jesus.
Matthew 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.”
The lineup for Jordan Peterson's Gospels discussion appears to lack representatives from explicitly evangelical or Reformed theological traditions. The participants include Catholic thinkers like Bishop Robert Barron, philosophers, and cultural commentators, but there is no indication of a panelist who explicitly identifies with evangelical or Reformed positions This absence appears a gap in theological diversity, as these traditions often bring distinct emphases, such as sola scriptura (scripture alone) and a focus on grace in salvation. Their inclusion could provide a broader perspective on the Gospels in this forum
They have 1 Catholic Bishop and a Eastern Orthodox guy. The rest are all something else. Evangelical are barely Christian so no wonder they won't be included. They could have got maybe a Lutheran or Anglican, sure, if they were stretched for Christisns, but since they have the 2 oldest Churches (which make up the majority of Christians worldwide), which actually have Apostolic succession represented, I think they're good..
As in all communication, the normative meaning of the text should be bound by the author's intentions. The question we should be asking of the biblical text, just as we do when we read an email or get a love note, is, "What did this author intend to communicate through this text?" If we don't start there, we end up with the Bible as a Rorschach test.
@@nicolasbascunan4013 I don't get how this goes above people heads. Without authority 10 people can have 10 different interpretations and all will claim they're right...Is this really what God intended?
The best interpretation is the interpretation that takes the contexts of the biblical authors seriously. Anything else is far removed from their worldview and understanding.
The new book has real reignited my Love of God and the way mr. Peterson approach realing brings a connection to the scripture to our modern day Faith and worship. God bless you Jordan. I hope you continue your mission of teaching. We love you
At the practical level, I would go with those individuals who have been sanctified by heeding the Gospel message. Whilst doctrine is obviously of crucial importance, it all hangs on knowing who it is (the Son of God) that we are to surrender to, and striving to match our daily actions to that calling.
I'm sorry, Dr Peterson, but respectfully, I must say that I find this round table style of discussions hard to follow. I much prefer when you speak from your own thought process; to me it's more organic and there aren't a bunch of conflicting viewpoints that you're reacting to coming at you all at once. Still, the fact that you are thinking on this and analyzing this is essential in this day and age. You have helped me with your talks on responsibility, the Bible, and more, and I thank you. One final thing; I know this is a short clip, but as other people have commented, not talking about or acknowledging the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Who is the One to lead people into understanding) is a huge missing element from the discussion. A church may be organized into a hierarchical structure to ease with administration and other things, but this is the Word of God that is being analyzed here. 2 Peter 1:20-21 says: 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. The Word of God MUST always be at the top of that hierarchy, not the organizational structure of the church. Thank you again for your personal dedication in all of this. May God continue to bless you and give you strength through your personal trials.
For me, if there is a problem arising, it is not that they interpret the Bible in an intellectual manner itself. It is that they use their own principles, experience and philosophy. The Bible is like the pleasant melody of orchestra, no contradiction, no out of tone and all telling a great story. Meaning, it can answer its own question. So the loss in meaning is not misinterpreted in context only, sometimes it comes from not asking the right question and not finding the right answer inside the Bible itself.
Here is the correct interpretation of the Gospels: That Almighty God became flesh, humbling Himself to be born of a virgin. He dwelt among us, lived a perfect life, and was crucified for our sins. On the third day He resurrected from the dead, that all who believe on Him should receive the gift of eternal life. Simple.
@fsartori1554 it really is. The Gospel is not complicated or difficult to understand. "For it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes." We tend to overcomplicate things. Jordan Peterson certainly does. He is like an expert on trees, and he can identify and name all the different trees, yet he is blind to the forest right in front of him.
Why do Christians hate watching people talk about the Bible? Seriously, all these comments like "These stupid intellectuals can never know the bible like i do!". For real, being braggadocious about your faith is sinful.
The clearest pattern in the texts for interpretation of the written word and leading of the covenant people is for God to send s prophet. He will never stop speaking to us unless we reject His messengers. Take them seriously, examine their fruits (not how the tabloids constantly stone them) and hear His message today.
The word "gospel" means "Good News". I didn't hear anything in this conversation about the "GOOD NEWS" that Jesus came and DIED for our sins so that we may be reconciled with God, and that whosoever believes in him will be SAVED. You can dance around it all you want, talk about Jung, Freud, Neitsche, etc all you want, but it's all just blowing in the wind without True Belief.
I think he’s leaning more towards Orthodoxy. Jonathan Pageau is his right hand man after all. Quite literally since that is where he was placed for this discussion.
@@AJ_Sparten1337 he once said he doesn’t want to join a club. I am not sure the need to join an organisation and take on someone else’s interpretations and traditions. He appears to be more interested in discovering truth than social connection.
When you see the Admiration of Bloviation spoken of by .... no wait, that's not it, the Adoration of Pontification, no no, Idolization of Oration, nah well, no wonder Paul warned the Colossians, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ." Col 2:8
Very true. And the next verse is one of the most powerful verses in the Bible concerning the oneness of God. But the bloviators and sophists have clouded the world with a pagan, philosophical trinity instead.
When we try to comprehend God on the level of the mind we miss the mark. And missing the mark even by a little is a lot. The Holy Spirit gives spiritual wisdom from above. I appreciate the intellectual conversations about spiritual things. But we must understand that these are spiritual concepts that we must not only use reason but also a spiritual self, more importantly, the Holy Spirit from God.
I clicked so fast. This is the problem that actually unravels everything we believe in the west. It starts with the people schism in 1054. That led to the protestant reformation where individuals believe they could be their own pope. Which led to the enlightenment where people based the center of Epistemology in the reason,logic, and perception of the individual. Yes, individuals can obtain knowledge. But the aspect of hierarchy and tradition is absolutely crucial. Without hierarchy and tradition, you end up floating in a sea of delusion, where one person sees a square and the other a triangle
1054 was the split between East as west and the didn’t differ of scripture they differed on tradition which is okay. Protestantism didn’t exist at the time I came way way later. It had nothing to do with the great schism. The fact that they thought the Holy Spirit had made a mistake for over 1000 years is crazy 😂😂
If people earnestly seek Truth and there is Truth to be found, wouldn’t they end up meeting in the same place? Regardless of who told them what, if an individual genuinely seeks God then they will be brought to a series of revelations and exposure of their own self deception. It seems to me that the individual’s relationship to God is primary, I know many folks who go to church yet don’t read their own Bible but instead eat up what the pastor says. Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not against church as a whole, I’m just of the mind that a heart that seeks with humility and commitment is more important than being a part of a hierarchy and tradition (some of which are oppressive and gate keeping).
Yes, there is an importance to hierarchy and tradition. But what you miss about Protestantism is that it is the affirmation of the centrality of the Apostolic tradition knowable in the scriptures, with Jesus being the cornerstone whom Moses predicted. The Protestant is a reformed catholic, who believes in a wider catholicity than the institution of a single hierarchy (the Roman one), because there is a deeper tradition and unity to be found in the Apostles. This tradition in scripture does not dispense with the collective efforts of the church (both the Roman, EO, and Reformed communities), but it attempts to place them on the right foundation-the Apostolic deposit in scripture and a fallible but reforming church, who lives humbly under the instruction of the Spirit. Something to consider in your analysis of the difficulties we face.
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.
I would like you can discuss over Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." For me, it addresses to many things. What´s your interpretation? Thansk, stay safe and blessed, amazing channel!!!
And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
I am so pleased to see this group meditating on and discussing the Word of God. However, all of you must approach the reasoning of the Word from a Blood Covenant stand point. Much of the scripture can lead you down numerous rabbit holes, but if you apply Blood Covenant dynamics, starting with the 15th Chapter of Genesis thru the Cross and the New Covenant you will understand the meaning of the Word much easier and clearer. 2nd of all, you must, by Faith, allow the Holy Spirit to reveal the mysteries of the Word....supernaturally! From mysteries to wisdom only comes from the Holy Spirit which abides in the believer. You must pray and ask and expect knowledge from the Comforter. To exclude Him is to fall back into religion and traditions of theologies to finally, you can do nothing just as Christ could do very little in His own hometown. Mark 11:19-25. 9:59
I don’t dislike Dennis or what he has to say but I don’t think he comes to the table with the selflessness that is required to help this series do what it is intending. He often wants to satisfy his own needs and curiosities. It distracts from the mission that Jordan has set for himself. Jordan is always have to bring the whole conversation back on track and it’s almost always a direct result of Dennis having derailed it in the first place. I believe Jon is the individual on the far right of table and he also is very selfish in wanting to relate everything to his own experience. You have to adjust your frame in order to gain significant insight. It would make all the difference in the world.
Dr. Peterson, hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation. Exegesis is the right application of those principles. Unfortunately, hermeneutics books end up being books on exegeting texts rather than ever discussing principles.
Hermeneutics (/hɜːrməˈnjuːtɪks/) is the theory and methodology of interpretation, especially the interpretation of biblical texts, wisdom literature, and philosophical texts. Its a theory, man's theory. Nothing to do with God. The bible was inspired by the Holly Spirit and only can be interpret by the Holly Spirit. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
The corn. There was a man in China, I heard on the radio and he had said something about The Spirit Of Truth, but he did not use the phrase, The Spirit Of Truth, and he said that God showed it to him in a Vision. In so many words, the Asian man said he’s not coming, he’s already here. and what he had said was 100% correct! I couldn’t believe my ears! That I was hearing someone speaking about The Spirit Of Truth, without me even telling them. And the narrator of the show put him down for saying it. God wanted me to hear that so I would know that he’s at work in The Spirit Of Truth, even if I didn’t realize it. Welcome to the dispensation of The Spirit Of Truth.
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“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV “knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” 2 Peter 1:20-21 KJV “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV Scripture with scripture is correct interpretation. 5:30
“Scripture with scripture is correct interpretation”. Are you suggesting that we can’t derive truth from other sources e.g. the incredible miracle of fine tuning of the universe?
@ right. Those sources had to be sourced. Can’t resource the source. It just is, was, and will be. Plus God sure is capable of speaking for himself and to give clarity of understanding of meaning. Truth only comes from his Word. These sources only lead back to the source. The intellect of men is nothing compared to the intellect of the Word of God in the name of Jesus Christ. Pretty sure this is based on the Bible and not fine tuning. Why is it that you want to insert a topic? “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19 KJV
@@ChuckBrowntheClown I’m pretty sure that the bible talks about the evidence for God being around us, creation etc. a lot of those things in creation aren’t written about in detail in the bible. Gravity for example. It feels to me like a “scripture is the only place truth can be derived” is limiting of God’s wonderment and fulfilment.
@ “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” Hebrews 9:27-28 KJV “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:12-15 KJV “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.” Revelation 21:1, 5 KJV The Word of God finely tuned in the name of Jesus Christ.
Not sure how you chose these clips. But it seems that John Vervaeke inspires the more "provocative/insightful" thoughts and interpretations. Glad you included him in the conversation.
But I fear lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Romans 10:9 -12 KJV I do not really see the room for interpretation when you read the text as it is, simply word for word. The Bible is very clear and precise with a lot of things especially what our Lord Jesus said and has done for us and will continue to do for those who are willing to see and to listen. Also most of the time, we humans tend to only start to trust in god when our version of "I AM" fails us, then we seek the real "I AM" as a last resort unfortunately as since we truly are prideful and ego centered.
@@RGTomoenage11 "guides" =/= "directs". A cursory glance at church history indicates that the church has regularly selected interpretations that it deems most politically suitable for it's own ends. What the inspired author intended is paramount, not what a pope in Rome declared a thousand years later.
The Holy Spirit is what leads to the correct interpretation. People can find saving faith in Jesus through different church buildings, so long as that saving faith agrees with Ephesians 2:8-10.
Jesus established and left us the Catholic Church guided by the Holy Spirit, to teach and guide us. The more Dr. Peterson studies and grows in faith, and discovers the fullness of Christianity, it is inevitable he will become Catholic.
@@xpsm249 There is no verse for that. The papal supremecy was invented way later. The orthodox church is seen in the book of acts, where the apostles come together for the first time to discuss doctrine. Thats where we see the decentral nature of the church which is preserved since then, in the orthodox church. Rome then invented the doctrine of papal supremecy, overriding the template that we've been given in the book of acts.
Thank you God for sending your only begotten son to die on the Cross for me, a sinner. I did not deserve it, but I receive your grace regardless. I believe what Christ said is the truth, and the only way to the truth.
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@nicolasbascunan4013 communion is what decides if you are divided and so no the Orthodox isn't divided those who are cut out are not in communion. Protestants are in communion with hundreds of false heretical churches like oneness Pentecostals who believe in modalism and such nonsense. Your protestant church is to thank for such things as the feminist Bible and gays in the pulpit. You don't know what you are talking about.
Funny to watch people struggle with the concept of love. Love is the only lens to read the Bible through as Jesus so perfectly did. Relationship at all costs. Without relationship, there is nothing. Love is and always will be the only law. Great comment on getting more than one view on a point, that it helps flush out truth much faster. We were made to discuss, interact, engage, and have differing views it is what love does. Love is the perfect design.
The key to unlocking the Bible is the Holy Spirit Himself. Those whose minds are darkened by their sin will never be able to understand what God is telling them. They will think they do. They will even speak on behalf of God’s Word (false prophets), but their minds and words have no power or authority. Those who have ears to hear will be able to hear.
@ - I really agree with what you share! Pride is such a great sin! To think we understand God’s Word on our own or by ourselves is a great snare to ourselves! Malachi 3:16, “Then those who feared the Lord spoke with one another. The Lord paid attention and heard them, and a book of remembrance was written before him of those who feared the Lord and esteemed his name.” Proverbs 12:5, “The thoughts of the righteous are just; the counsels of the wicked are deceitful.” Proverbs 12:15, “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.” 1 Kings 12 is the story of King Rehoboam, who did not listen to the counsel of the “Old Men” that gave advice to Rehoboam’s father (King Solomon), but instead took the council of the young men. 1 Kings 12:8, “But he abandoned the counsel that the old men gave him and took counsel with the young men who had grown up with him and stood before him.” Acts 17:10-13, “The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. 12 Many of them therefore believed, with not a few Greek women of high standing as well as men. 13 But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was proclaimed by Paul at Berea also, they came there too, agitating and stirring up the crowds.” We need to sharpen one another and temper our pride and learn from others. But counsel alone from “others” is not a true safeguard either. We must check everything against the Word of God and also the most Wonderful of all Counselors-the life and words of Jesus Himself. We should be “poor in spirit”. Humble and easily teachable and learn from others. Together we are much stronger and with the Holy Spirit and our Lord Jesus we can receive the guidance and understanding we need. Again thank you for your words. 😊
@@chickenwasabi240 - The same Holy Spirit that gave FOUR GOSPELS... The same Holy Spirit that is described in Ezekiel 1:4-21, concerning the creatures with 4 faces and led by the Holy Spirit. Just as the Holy Spirit led 12 tribes while in the wilderness and each tribes distinct name was written and worn on the Ephod of the High Priest. You have this interesting idea that there should be only one "proper" denomination that has to be followed. I would hope if you looked at the book of Genesis at each of the ancestors of faith, they each worshiped the One True God in a very unique way and manner.
I think this problem of bounding interpretation would be true if the text was purely symbolic or true only in the sense of describing human psychology. The Christian tradition of the Bible being a living text is that God sets bounds and uses the text to communicate clearly. I think it would be difficult to try and bound the meaning in the Bible purely from an extra-Christian perspective. Even the Catholic argument of the community keeping things in check is not good because the "community" has also gone off track many times in history. The Living Text argument I think I why the Bible has not gone off the rails. Which for me is a compelling argument as to why the Bible can only be fully understood if one believes there is a God directing the world. Truly. Not metaphorically or psychologically. Just plain ol' old school Christian belief-wise.
The problem is not just in the church but also learning in places like this, there is no dialogue, just monologue. Only some get to have dialogue, while everyone else has to put up with monologue. There is no interaction. NO interaction between the church hierarchy and everyone else, that is not in church hierarchy. Church was never to be created to be that way, it became that way because of people. Its like all the systems, in the earth, only some can have while everyone has to go without.
yes, the scriptures reveal the power of God, not the wisdom of men. our trust is in the power of God--the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe, the same mighty power that God worked in christ when he rose him from the dead. that power... who is able to do exceedingly above and beyond all that we ask or think. Christ in you. the Spirit of promise. the promise of the Father. amen.
Thank you for sharing on the topic of Bible interpretation. Along the same lines, could you also share your thoughts on the controversial issue of women’s roles in the modern church?
The thing that scares me most is that 90% of the time I understand Dr. Peterson... I love that Dennis Prager is there. 'Religion on the Line' is our mutual history. Prager was doing this on the radio 30 years ago...
No Peterson largely believes. But to fully believe all the time he takes it as if he did that then he would never sin again and he is not at that point but still perhaps believes more deeply than most Christians @@dashcammer4322
It's important to remember context - Paul was obviously addressing certain people at a certain time, and so not all of the epistles are universally applicable to everyone and at everytime.
@@NadjaTeege Is there a different Truth between males and females? Is Truth something that is divided, and is not complete until the M+F ‘halves’ are joined? To quote Star Trek: “Is Truth not truth for all?”?
Yes, the Holy Spirit. How did Paul go to Asia for three years and then was on the same page as James and Peter if it were not for the Holy Spirit. Paul did not get it from the church like we think of today
Once the series has been shown in its entirety on DailyWire, I hope it will uploaded to TH-cam to reach even more people. I love what they've done with the set here, looks just right.
The correct translation of Holy Scripture, is the one that does not interpret the Bible to appeal to any denomination, whether Catholic or Jewish, etc. The correct interpretation is the Holy Ghost. The church cannot teach, rather, only the unction and anointing from the baptism of the Holy Ghost, is what teaches.
ideally, the pastors and teachers are filled with the holy spirit. jordan still approaches scripture as a clinical psychologist. i have yet heard him proclaim the jesus christ is his personal lord and savior.
@windyday8598 so was Peter, and he got caught up in Judaism until he was confronted by apostle Paul. Whether or not a person's wisdom is from the Holy Ghost isn't dependent upon them having the Holy Ghost. Anybody can still corrupt the word that He has given them. I can do it and so can anybody. I believe that God is using Jordan Peterson, but he has a lot of psychology in him and has been the way that he has lived off of for a long while. Just like thr Baron too, but with him it is Catholicism..but Catholicism is not the anointing that the Holy Ghost..that's why he will use the Bible to justify and always point back to martyrs and saints. Whereas the proper way for the revelation that is the Bible, to be interpreted, is without a human understanding, but an understanding that has been given to you that is from the Holy Ghost. This is why, when interpreting the Bible, the correct interpretation is the one where no denomination is exalted, but rather, the Bible always points you back to possessing the thoughts of God, His revelation about Himself, that happened through history and the letters in the Bible.
"but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong," (1 Corinthians 1:27)
His Holy Spirit when it abides in us as a believer, gives us the wisdom of His word...for it is alive & sharper than any 2 sided sword...sometimes " minds " can make it so much more confusing...
God knew the Gospels could be interpreted in many different ways, which is why He founded a Church on Peter, infused it with the Holy Spirit, giving it the authority to objectively interpret Scripture and teach in matters of faith and morals. Yes, I am speaking of the Catholic Church.
@@DIBBY40 Not at all. If a person interprets Scripture, it is subjective. If the Holy Spirit speaks through the Church Jesus founded and, in so doing, interprets Scripture, whatever it interprets is considered objectively true as it is divine.
if you want to interpret just read it for what it is the scriptures themselves tell us they are not up for personal interpretation. If you just listen to what they are telling you, you will find that all things will match up and explain themselves. There is a single reoccurring theme that is happening, and we are so caught up in ourselves that we can't see the other prospective that is being shown .ps .not trying to be sassy in this comment I read it again and it felt kind of sassy.
The early church fathers would agree: there is nothing special about them or anyone else that qualifies them over you for interpreting scripture. But more importantly, interpreting is very low on the hierarchy of importance. Most important is that which has been from the beginning: do unto others as you'd have done unto you. If your efforts at interpreting distract you from living that out, interpreting has become an idol. Neglect of that truth was the root of the fall, the root of Cain's decision, and so on. Too much priority on interpretation was literally the seed of the fall in the garden.
Have you read the early Church fathers? 😂 There was a Christian empire with an emperor who brought together the whole church to confess one faith and scripture. How is it possible to have the whole church together in the first few centuries and have it in error? Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against the church, the church is the pillar of truth and the Holy Spirit will guide the church. Your assertion is nonsensical.
@@christiantgolden ok while Constantine may not technically be considered a church father he is an Orthodox saint and called the councils. As so he was in conformity with the whole church and Spirit lead. My point isn't that about Constantine though, but about the councils being the whole church in alignment as one being lead by the Spirit and not in error concerning the canons. You may not have said error itself, but saying they aren't any different is to say they could be in error as a whole and not individually. The point is that the church is the pillar of Truth and isn't as a whole ever in error so the councils must be correct and Spirit lead or the scriptures are false. The scriptures say the gates of hell will not prevail against the church and if the councils are in error then that's the church fathers in error as a whole and hell has prevailed. That's the logical extension of your statement. It is true that we are all in the same boat as the church fathers in that we must all rely on the Holy Spirit, but it is not the case that the church fathers are not special in that they were called to the councils to create the cannons that we are bound to as a whole. Individually we can all error and fathers aren't different in that sense, but as a council the fathers became special because they are then the Church, the pillar of truth.
The apostle Paul makes it clear that humanity is not only fallen spiritually but intellectually. One of the finest N.T. theologians regarding the interpretation of the N.T. and the essential role of the Holy Spirit is Dr. Gordon Fee. Without a working understanding of Fee's work, a discussion of this kind would be like not understanding the importance of Q to the gospels.
“Is there a correct interpretation” it would be super useful if we had a orthodox church tradition or this concept called church fathers to consult on these texts. Shame we definitely have nothing like that around.
After suffering through two decades of cheesy televangelists and watered down evangelical worship music, it’s refreshing to watch an in-depth and serious discussion of the Bible.
The Bible has NEVER STOPPED unwrapping a scripture to show multiple levels of depth FROM THE SAME SCRIPTURE as I have read and grown into it.
thats why the bible has been called the living book...
@indogyrsimdead amen
yeah that is what it means to endlessly intelectualize religious writings.
That's just it everyone talks with the word in their own way, my cousin claims judas didn't just betray jesus as how he understood it. Having watched jesus preform miracles, judas went to boast and laud jesus's virtues and abilities to the romans kind of like a challenge. I'll take you to him and he's going to utterly trounce you, kind of mind set not knowing jesus wouldn't resist. We all read what we relate to.
The multiple theory is perfect established through the universal & geographical peregrination lessons&merit ...) , but people with (psycho, physical, environmental, responsible, habit, mental, interest )levels . Do not take one disciple as granted for one circle. Do read all disciples, compare and analyse each purpose, subject/topic/story case and apply to the real person/group in an analysis approach but they may (not) understand the consequence of each behaviour linked in the society.Even the religious Jew has own division of eruv Sabbath.
Cant wait until this series hits fully on TH-cam. I'll wait patiently and enjoy these shorts in the interim
I think the whole series is available in the Daily Wire platform, is it not?
the Exodus series took like an year for them to release on TH-cam
@@icarovdlIs the Exodus series available on TH-cam? I could find only the first episode on the YT channel...
Me too.
Yeah I am searching for a release date from DailyWire only onto TH-cam… I am not trying to sign up for all of DailyWire although I would purchase this gospel lecture series by itself.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him..."
1. Corinthians 2, 14
Amen
That's so wrong
You're right on the money. 1 Corinthians 1:18-21 is so relevant when I hear these unregenerated intellectuals discussing scripture. They are missing the mark by a million miles, when it comes to the truth of God.
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A lot of people are very focused on money and fortune, plus other basic needs like home and family. That's it.
However, there is so much more that the whole world has to offer. We almost have everything beneath us and above too. It's incredible.
@@lukascisar6740 And in Luke 12:16-21 the Lord Jesus said that the person who lives for this life, and disregards what is vital, is a fool.
The best interpretation method is to "let scripture interpret scripture". The biblical themes then emerge in their full depth and richness. For example, how can one understand Jesus' discussion on "living water" in the fourth chapter of John's gospel without knowing its temple imagery in the Old Testament and also its symbolism at the close of the book of Revelation? And how can one fully appreciate the indwelling of the Holy Spirit without a knowledge of temple theology? The themes of scripture carry through the entire bible with remarkable depth and clarity.
Your comment reminded me of Paul's conversion.
Well said
I've never seen scripture interpret scripture. I've only seen human beings interpret scripture.
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That is kinda dangerous actually because it mostly leads to division of the truth, and without knowing the context or even the history of it, anyone can interpret the scriptures literally. The best answer would lead us back to the Church who has the supreme authority to interpret it. Because it is the Church that made the Bible and therefore should be the one who has the authority to bring us to the truth. Christ gave us His Church and through the Church birthed the sacred scriptures. Another thing is to see the scriptures on the lenses of the Church Fathers. They were one of the first and one of the founding members of the Church like the Apostles, so they have more right to say on what the stories of the bible are because we believe that all the knowledge and authority were handed over to them by the Apostles and disciples of Jesus. Ok
It's interesting to listen to these brilliant intellects floundering around in texts meant partly to confound the intellect, but more, to enlighten the spirit.
The moment I confronted what I feared most, its power faded, leaving behind a profound and unexpected peace that had been waiting for me all along.
Waiting for that peace so that others around me feel it too !
Peterson out here trying to start the 22nd Ecumenical council.
@@hearthatbird He is so precious.
With zero bishops? Lol
I see bishop Baron 😆 @@Alex_Vlass
Yh hopefully this council can actually clarify the trinity rather than make it a huge amount of mental gymnastics so that we don't call the religion inherently polytheist.
@@omkhetz3798have you seen the LDS take on the Trinity?
"In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity."
The biggest problems is what are the essentials, what determines what they are, and why does "that what" get to determine what the essential is.
@@nicolasbascunan4013 not an Augustine quote
Sounds great doesn’t work
@ItsChowTime0812 exactly!
I am not joking when I tell people after they say, "agree to disagree". "I never agreed to that!"
@@ItsChowTime0812 the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is essential. Can we agree on that?🙂
Im so sad when i read how confident some of these comments are.
The disciples asked Jesus, 'why do you speak in parables'? Jesus replied, 'the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you but not to them. Though seeing, they do not see, though hearing, they do not hear nor understand.'
Jesus also said, 'No-one knows the Son except the Father, and no-one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.'
No matter how much academic prowess you think is needed to understand scriprure, in order to 'know' God, it is only by revelation of the Spirit of God that mankind can ever know and commune with Him.
john 17
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This is... amazing? It's as if I'm in the middle of a bunch of professors that are discussing a very difficult subject, and I'm taking notes - for free!
Thanks DailyWire.
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Watch Jonathan's talk on bishops Barron's podcast from a few weeks back. Then two are miles ahead of the rest of the panel in terms of biblical understanding.
@@naikhanomtom7552 I will give it a miss.
@@naikhanomtom7552If anyone reads this and wants to watch it, the video is Jonathon Pageau and Bishop Barron, it’s 3 months old as of me commenting this.
If you just look up Jonathon and Bishop Barron, you will pretty much only get the podcast with Bishop Barron and Jonathon Roumie, the guy who plays Jesus Christ in the TV series The Chosen (good show btw).
The Church came about before the Gospels were written. The Gospels point to the tradition passed down to us via the Church. The Church gives us the lens through which to read the Gospels. Thank goodness Bishop Barron was there, because these professors are in danger of shedding a great deal of darkness (rather than light) on this subject.
the only reliable traditions were spoken and written by the apostles, as the scripture says. churches get corrupted by a false sense of power.
true
The church is full of sin, in my experience only communists insist on a particular lens
Interested in your research material used for this comment?
@@dirtknocker2587 The year was stablish the Bible and what book enter in the cannon and what books did not enter was all at the 372 AC. 72 books where selected and who chose them? Why no the letters of Clement but yes to the book of Hebrews??? Why Luke that said he wrote of his own inspiration his letters and no Clement? Clement said he was inspired by the Holy Spirit and u read him and sound very biblical but is no in the Bible and why? Because Jesus stablish a church no a Bible and the church decided what book enter into the cannon. Jesús mentioned who hear you, hear me, who don't hear you don't hear me and gave the Key of heaven to Peter, than in books of the Acts of the apostles show the visible church and this is before the Bible! One more....Jesus mentioned that there is no books enough to write all he teaches them! Saint Paul thanks the disciples for keeping the traditions and they where though by Word and Writed! So...yes....THE CHURCH HAS THE AUTHORITY SAME AS THE BIBLE AND MAGISTERIUM AND IS GAVE BY JESUS. blessings
I like to visualize it was a plane of meaning "vectors", all pointing at a higher truth. And in areas where it self-conflicts, its pointing at more than one higher truth, and if we could rise to the level of those higher truths we'd find those truths are pointing to another, even higher truth. Ultimately unifying more and more each step you ascend.
People often misinterpret scripture due to their pride. There's a big difference between human knowledge and divine wisdom. Many try to place themselves above God, which leads to misunderstandings of scripture, often requiring a scholar or false teachers to explain it. This is similar to the Pharisees and Sadducees who created barriers for others seeking God.
True understanding of scripture comes through the Holy Spirit. If you genuinely seek God, insights and interpretations will be revealed to you, almost like a blind person gaining sight. Unfortunately, many interpret scripture based on their own desires rather than God's intentions. With patience, the right biblical interpretations will come to light in due time. No amount of speculation or artificial intelligence can grasp God's mind, as many only perceive the visible and miss the deeper, unseen truths.
You didn't answer the question. Protestant?
Amen.
And this holds with all scriptures, all holy books, those who interpret have no place to interpret to begin with, due to the corruption of the synagogue, the church and the mosque, we now have 1 religion divided in 3 and each one thinks that the other is different than its own, and each thinks that its holds the truth while the others are false, because of the misinterpretation of the scripture by people who like you said are invaded by pride and those who are prideful are without a doubt ignorant and those who are ignorant are without a doubt dominated by darkness, so in conclusion it is darkness who deliberately uses those close to the prophets of god in order to prevert the meaning and then centuries go by with that misinterpretation giving us as a result the actual world we live in, but everything has a purpose, so this too was meant for something greater than what we can understand.
@@nicolasbascunan4013in simple terms he is saying come genuinely with humble spirit acknowledge that you can never understand the scriptures unless first you accept them as profound truth and perfect two willing to live by what they teach you then will u receive revelation
And of course the group/ church we belong to just happens to have the right holy spirit led interpretation.
The difference with Christianity is that it's not merit based as with the others...
God thru his sins substitutionary sacrifice rescued those who would come to him by allowing his son to take the punishment..
With the mosque and the synagogue...on your death bed one is not really sure if they've said or done enough to merit heaven.
For Christians it's living by faith in tbe person who accomplished everything on the Christians behalf
Thanks!
Not one mention of The Holy Spirit, unbelievable!
What do you think guides the church, which they mentioned?
Everyone can claim is being guided by It. That's why Jesus built a Church, then that Church made the Bible canonical, guided by the Holy Spirit.
It's because likely none of these men have the Spirit of God residing within. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14
@@nicolasbascunan4013 That's incorrect. The only people who can know that they are being guided by HIM (The Holy Spirit is not an it, but a person) are those who have the Spirit indwelling, and any judgment made is in keeping with the clear Word of God. The problem with these men on the panel is that they are intellectuals, who are trying to interpret the Word of God intellectually, and not taking it at face value for the statements it makes. There is nothing "mysterious" about the Gospels, when taken at face value.
"Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:13-14
8:41 Lectio Divina is mentioned.
The main problem with a group of people discussing the interpretation of scripture is the ignorance of the Holy Spirit’s internal, authority in understanding the truth. Without the Spirit spiritual truth cannot be known.
True that
So people learning about faith, and exploring, but not yet “Christian” can’t get the truth of the scripture? I find that a very curious position.
You just invented that.
@@nicolasbascunan4013 1 Corinthians 2:9-16
@@nicolasbascunan4013 God sent the Holy Spirit to draw sinners searching for truth. The Holy Spirit draws them to understand the truth of the gospel and when they receive the gospel by faith they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and their spiritual eyes are opened. God then enables us who have the Holy Spirit to understand the spiritual truths revealed in his word and to test the spirit of those around us to bear witness of this truth. People who profess to be in Christ, but are not, cannot understand the truths and depths of the scriptures. This is one reason there are divisions in “Christianity.”
There are layers of depth in understanding the gospel . Simple believing like a child is the most important and easy to understand . My cousin has an IQ of 80. He has mental retardation . He can easily explain his faith in Jesus.
That's biblical. You must become like a child to enter the kingdom.
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It's true but so many will read this comment and interpret it the wrong way
Matthew 11:25
“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.”
@@dizzyx05 Yes. Like me for example.....I read it THAT way too. 🤣
Great conversation! May God be with, bless and call each into a deeper or a new and everlasting and ever transforming relationship.
Wes Huff needed to be on this panel.
He's a historian of scripture, not a philosopher.
Absolutely!
You don't need to be a philosopher to understand and teach the bible 🙏🏾
The lineup for Jordan Peterson's Gospels discussion appears to lack representatives from explicitly evangelical or Reformed theological traditions. The participants include Catholic thinkers like Bishop Robert Barron, philosophers, and cultural commentators, but there is no indication of a panelist who explicitly identifies with evangelical or Reformed positions
This absence appears a gap in theological diversity, as these traditions often bring distinct emphases, such as sola scriptura (scripture alone) and a focus on grace in salvation. Their inclusion could provide a broader perspective on the Gospels in this forum
Nobody takes protestants seriously and nobody should
Came here to say this
They have 1 Catholic Bishop and a Eastern Orthodox guy. The rest are all something else. Evangelical are barely Christian so no wonder they won't be included. They could have got maybe a Lutheran or Anglican, sure, if they were stretched for Christisns, but since they have the 2 oldest Churches (which make up the majority of Christians worldwide), which actually have Apostolic succession represented, I think they're good..
Probably because evangelical or reformed Christians have nothing of value to add theologically to these discussions.
@@LB_die_Kaapie I believe the two englishmen are anglican.
As in all communication, the normative meaning of the text should be bound by the author's intentions. The question we should be asking of the biblical text, just as we do when we read an email or get a love note, is, "What did this author intend to communicate through this text?" If we don't start there, we end up with the Bible as a Rorschach test.
That's still subjective. You need an authority.
@@nicolasbascunan4013how does one find or obtain this “authority” you speak of?
The Bible is the word of God... thats the authority. @nicolasbascunan4013
@@nicolasbascunan4013 I don't get how this goes above people heads. Without authority 10 people can have 10 different interpretations and all will claim they're right...Is this really what God intended?
The best interpretation is the interpretation that takes the contexts of the biblical authors seriously. Anything else is far removed from their worldview and understanding.
When do they get around to the Bible study part ...
Through the belief in Jesus Christ, an ever lasting relationship is created through the Lord and the believer ❤.
Play deceived is all when they change the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday Saturday is the seventh day of the week not Sunday
The new book has real reignited my Love of God and the way mr. Peterson approach realing brings a connection to the scripture to our modern day Faith and worship. God bless you Jordan. I hope you continue your mission of teaching. We love you
It doesn't matter what interpretation, when you seek the truth it will lead you to Jesus Christ because He is the Truth
The interpretation of the Church Fathers and The Saints
What if church fathers have differences and cannot convince each other or each others’ followers?
@fred8691 that's what the pope and councils are for
So the Catholic church
Begging to be manipulated kind of mentality
We had a protestant reformation saint just means anyone who is born again and the bible says call no man father
At the practical level, I would go with those individuals who have been sanctified by heeding the Gospel message. Whilst doctrine is obviously of crucial importance, it all hangs on knowing who it is (the Son of God) that we are to surrender to, and striving to match our daily actions to that calling.
I'm sorry, Dr Peterson, but respectfully, I must say that I find this round table style of discussions hard to follow. I much prefer when you speak from your own thought process; to me it's more organic and there aren't a bunch of conflicting viewpoints that you're reacting to coming at you all at once. Still, the fact that you are thinking on this and analyzing this is essential in this day and age. You have helped me with your talks on responsibility, the Bible, and more, and I thank you.
One final thing; I know this is a short clip, but as other people have commented, not talking about or acknowledging the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Who is the One to lead people into understanding) is a huge missing element from the discussion. A church may be organized into a hierarchical structure to ease with administration and other things, but this is the Word of God that is being analyzed here. 2 Peter 1:20-21 says: 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. The Word of God MUST always be at the top of that hierarchy, not the organizational structure of the church.
Thank you again for your personal dedication in all of this. May God continue to bless you and give you strength through your personal trials.
It is my hope that all of this is going to be used by Jordan to make standalone videos like his psychological significance of genesis series
He can't give in his final pride imo
For me, if there is a problem arising, it is not that they interpret the Bible in an intellectual manner itself. It is that they use their own principles, experience and philosophy. The Bible is like the pleasant melody of orchestra, no contradiction, no out of tone and all telling a great story. Meaning, it can answer its own question. So the loss in meaning is not misinterpreted in context only, sometimes it comes from not asking the right question and not finding the right answer inside the Bible itself.
Here is the correct interpretation of the Gospels:
That Almighty God became flesh, humbling Himself to be born of a virgin. He dwelt among us, lived a perfect life, and was crucified for our sins. On the third day He resurrected from the dead, that all who believe on Him should receive the gift of eternal life.
Simple.
That last paragraph is not so simple. Viva Cristo Rey 👑.
@fsartori1554 it really is. The Gospel is not complicated or difficult to understand. "For it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes."
We tend to overcomplicate things. Jordan Peterson certainly does. He is like an expert on trees, and he can identify and name all the different trees, yet he is blind to the forest right in front of him.
The Catholic understanding of this paragraph is not the same of the Protestantism.
So It's not that simple .
@fsartori1554 oh I didn't realize that catholics have a different understanding of the Gospel. Is it something like we are saved by works?
it pleased God, that thru the foolishness of the message preached, to save those who believe. 1 cor 1
Listening to these guys speak brings me to 1 Corinthians 2 and 1 Timothy 6:20-21.
Why do Christians hate watching people talk about the Bible? Seriously, all these comments like "These stupid intellectuals can never know the bible like i do!". For real, being braggadocious about your faith is sinful.
The clearest pattern in the texts for interpretation of the written word and leading of the covenant people is for God to send s prophet. He will never stop speaking to us unless we reject His messengers. Take them seriously, examine their fruits (not how the tabloids constantly stone them) and hear His message today.
The magisterium, the consensus of the Catholic Church Theologians and saints have the correct interpretation.
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im not going to argue with you. Catholics are pretty close, but no, the Orthodox Chruch has it correct. very similar, but not.
Ha
With a fake mother Goddess and a building full of images they have a long way to go. Gotta give up those crutches if you want to follow Jesus.
@@christianperspective9527super ignorant response.
The word "gospel" means "Good News". I didn't hear anything in this conversation about the "GOOD NEWS" that Jesus came and DIED for our sins so that we may be reconciled with God, and that whosoever believes in him will be SAVED. You can dance around it all you want, talk about Jung, Freud, Neitsche, etc all you want, but it's all just blowing in the wind without True Belief.
It seems Mr. Jordan is resisting becoming a Catholic. I'm 🙏for you Mr Jordan.
There’s the text - and then there’s the church…..
Its because of the pope and his friends.
I think he’s leaning more towards Orthodoxy. Jonathan Pageau is his right hand man after all. Quite literally since that is where he was placed for this discussion.
@@antbrown9066Sola Scriptura will not give you salvation.
@@AJ_Sparten1337 he once said he doesn’t want to join a club. I am not sure the need to join an organisation and take on someone else’s interpretations and traditions. He appears to be more interested in discovering truth than social connection.
The non-propositional meaning is exactly what I felt when I went to church
Thank you Dr. Peterson for posting this for us
Who are all these men?! I love them
When you see the Admiration of Bloviation spoken of by .... no wait, that's not it, the Adoration of Pontification, no no, Idolization of Oration, nah well, no wonder Paul warned the Colossians, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ." Col 2:8
facts.
celebrating "the virgin". mariology.
Very true. And the next verse is one of the most powerful verses in the Bible concerning the oneness of God.
But the bloviators and sophists have clouded the world with a pagan, philosophical trinity instead.
When we try to comprehend God on the level of the mind we miss the mark. And missing the mark even by a little is a lot.
The Holy Spirit gives spiritual wisdom from above.
I appreciate the intellectual conversations about spiritual things. But we must understand that these are spiritual concepts that we must not only use reason but also a spiritual self, more importantly, the Holy Spirit from God.
I clicked so fast. This is the problem that actually unravels everything we believe in the west. It starts with the people schism in 1054. That led to the protestant reformation where individuals believe they could be their own pope. Which led to the enlightenment where people based the center of Epistemology in the reason,logic, and perception of the individual. Yes, individuals can obtain knowledge. But the aspect of hierarchy and tradition is absolutely crucial. Without hierarchy and tradition, you end up floating in a sea of delusion, where one person sees a square and the other a triangle
Papal*
1054 was the split between East as west and the didn’t differ of scripture they differed on tradition which is okay. Protestantism didn’t exist at the time I came way way later. It had nothing to do with the great schism. The fact that they thought the Holy Spirit had made a mistake for over 1000 years is crazy 😂😂
Protestantism led, on the long way, to wokeism: "my interpretation, my truth".
If people earnestly seek Truth and there is Truth to be found, wouldn’t they end up meeting in the same place?
Regardless of who told them what, if an individual genuinely seeks God then they will be brought to a series of revelations and exposure of their own self deception. It seems to me that the individual’s relationship to God is primary, I know many folks who go to church yet don’t read their own Bible but instead eat up what the pastor says.
Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not against church as a whole, I’m just of the mind that a heart that seeks with humility and commitment is more important than being a part of a hierarchy and tradition (some of which are oppressive and gate keeping).
Yes, there is an importance to hierarchy and tradition.
But what you miss about Protestantism is that it is the affirmation of the centrality of the Apostolic tradition knowable in the scriptures, with Jesus being the cornerstone whom Moses predicted.
The Protestant is a reformed catholic, who believes in a wider catholicity than the institution of a single hierarchy (the Roman one), because there is a deeper tradition and unity to be found in the Apostles.
This tradition in scripture does not dispense with the collective efforts of the church (both the Roman, EO, and Reformed communities), but it attempts to place them on the right foundation-the Apostolic deposit in scripture and a fallible but reforming church, who lives humbly under the instruction of the Spirit.
Something to consider in your analysis of the difficulties we face.
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.
This video really made me think. The discussion about the 'correct' interpretation of the Gospels is so thought-provoking and profound.
Absolutely! It’s amazing how exploring different perspectives can deepen our understanding of such timeless teachings.
The correct interpretation is the one of the Catholic Church, because Jesus founded that church
I would like you can discuss over Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." For me, it addresses to many things. What´s your interpretation? Thansk, stay safe and blessed, amazing channel!!!
Casting pearls b4 swine leads to tennis elbow
And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
exactly--interpret that, panel.
I am so pleased to see this group meditating on and discussing the Word of God.
However, all of you must approach the reasoning of the Word from a Blood Covenant stand point. Much of the scripture can lead you down numerous rabbit holes, but if you apply Blood Covenant dynamics, starting with the 15th Chapter of Genesis thru the Cross and the New Covenant you will understand the meaning of the Word much easier and clearer.
2nd of all, you must, by Faith, allow the Holy Spirit to reveal the mysteries of the Word....supernaturally! From mysteries to wisdom only comes from the Holy Spirit which abides in the believer.
You must pray and ask and expect knowledge from the Comforter. To exclude Him is to fall back into religion and traditions of theologies to finally, you can do nothing just as Christ could do very little in His own hometown.
Mark 11:19-25. 9:59
Grace us with full ep
They're free on Dailywire I believe. I've already watched 2 full eps there
It would be a great Christmas gift.
@@johnnyzakka Daily wire + is free?
I don’t dislike Dennis or what he has to say but I don’t think he comes to the table with the selflessness that is required to help this series do what it is intending. He often wants to satisfy his own needs and curiosities. It distracts from the mission that Jordan has set for himself. Jordan is always have to bring the whole conversation back on track and it’s almost always a direct result of Dennis having derailed it in the first place. I believe Jon is the individual on the far right of table and he also is very selfish in wanting to relate everything to his own experience. You have to adjust your frame in order to gain significant insight. It would make all the difference in the world.
So right!
At the end of the day the this is why the church is needed
Makes this grey dark day Happy.
“Date conceived on Nisan seventeen four Lord Christ Jesus”
is embedded in Genesis 1:1
Revelation 22:21
put together.
Mathematically 1296. It’s coming.
I really hope they decide to release this series on yt . I'm Canadian I can't afford a dw plus 😅
I could see them possibly doing it once they are all out. So far there's only 3 episodes.
The liturgy is the optimum- never thought about that ; so when you go to a mass that is the optimum.
Dr. Peterson, hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation. Exegesis is the right application of those principles. Unfortunately, hermeneutics books end up being books on exegeting texts rather than ever discussing principles.
Hermeneutics (/hɜːrməˈnjuːtɪks/) is the theory and methodology of interpretation, especially the interpretation of biblical texts, wisdom literature, and philosophical texts. Its a theory, man's theory. Nothing to do with God. The bible was inspired by the Holly Spirit and only can be interpret by the Holly Spirit. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
The corn. There was a man in China, I heard on the radio and he had said something about The Spirit Of Truth, but he did not use the phrase, The Spirit Of Truth, and he said that God showed it to him in a Vision. In so many words, the Asian man said he’s not coming, he’s already here. and what he had said was 100% correct! I couldn’t believe my ears! That I was hearing someone speaking about The Spirit Of Truth, without me even telling them. And the narrator of the show put him down for saying it. God wanted me to hear that so I would know that he’s at work in The Spirit Of Truth, even if I didn’t realize it. Welcome to the dispensation of The Spirit Of Truth.
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It's Ms. Evelyn Vera doing, she's changed my life.
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I would love to hear JP expand on the Catholic Catechism
I understand there are deep understandings being shared but to capture a more broad audience but listening to John 16:29 might help
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
“knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
2 Peter 1:20-21 KJV
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
Scripture with scripture is correct interpretation. 5:30
“Scripture with scripture is correct interpretation”. Are you suggesting that we can’t derive truth from other sources e.g. the incredible miracle of fine tuning of the universe?
@ right. Those sources had to be sourced. Can’t resource the source. It just is, was, and will be. Plus God sure is capable of speaking for himself and to give clarity of understanding of meaning. Truth only comes from his Word. These sources only lead back to the source. The intellect of men is nothing compared to the intellect of the Word of God in the name of Jesus Christ. Pretty sure this is based on the Bible and not fine tuning. Why is it that you want to insert a topic?
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
Revelation 22:18-19 KJV
that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped....
@@ChuckBrowntheClown I’m pretty sure that the bible talks about the evidence for God being around us, creation etc. a lot of those things in creation aren’t written about in detail in the bible. Gravity for example. It feels to me like a “scripture is the only place truth can be derived” is limiting of God’s wonderment and fulfilment.
@ “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
Hebrews 9:27-28 KJV
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:12-15 KJV
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:1, 5 KJV
The Word of God finely tuned in the name of Jesus Christ.
Not sure how you chose these clips. But it seems that John Vervaeke inspires the more "provocative/insightful" thoughts and interpretations. Glad you included him in the conversation.
But I fear lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
yes, yes, yes. mariology?
This is absolutely amazing.
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Romans 10:9 -12 KJV
I do not really see the room for interpretation when you read the text as it is, simply word for word. The Bible is very clear and precise with a lot of things especially what our Lord Jesus said and has done for us and will continue to do for those who are willing to see and to listen. Also most of the time, we humans tend to only start to trust in god when our version of "I AM" fails us, then we seek the real "I AM" as a last resort unfortunately as since we truly are prideful and ego centered.
i have yet to hear jordan peterson declare that jesus christ is his lord and savior.
ACTS 5:29
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."
KING JAMES VERSION (KJV)
Tradition = 🔥
That’s why you read it in light of the church and not personal interpretation.
Amen
The church is fallible. The Holy Spirit, is what is needed.
@ the Holy Spirit guides the church.
Everyone with private interpretation claims to have the Holy Spirit.
Genuine question: What do you mean by the difference between “in light of the church” and “personal interpretation”?
@@RGTomoenage11 "guides" =/= "directs". A cursory glance at church history indicates that the church has regularly selected interpretations that it deems most politically suitable for it's own ends. What the inspired author intended is paramount, not what a pope in Rome declared a thousand years later.
The Holy Spirit is what leads to the correct interpretation. People can find saving faith in Jesus through different church buildings, so long as that saving faith agrees with Ephesians 2:8-10.
Jesus established and left us the Catholic Church guided by the Holy Spirit, to teach and guide us. The more Dr. Peterson studies and grows in faith, and discovers the fullness of Christianity, it is inevitable he will become Catholic.
Interesting, why Catholicism? You mentioned the establishment of the catholic church specifically by Jesus, is there a verse for this?
It was the Orthodox who founded the church. FYI. Im protestant but we should all be truthful about the facts
Orthodoxy would be even more accurate. Claiming jesus established the catholic church is arrogant given you know the orthodox church existed prior
@@xpsm249 There is no verse for that. The papal supremecy was invented way later. The orthodox church is seen in the book of acts, where the apostles come together for the first time to discuss doctrine. Thats where we see the decentral nature of the church which is preserved since then, in the orthodox church. Rome then invented the doctrine of papal supremecy, overriding the template that we've been given in the book of acts.
no one, knowing the scriptures, would do that.
Thank you God for sending your only begotten son to die on the Cross for me, a sinner.
I did not deserve it, but I receive your grace regardless.
I believe what Christ said is the truth, and the only way to the truth.
God is Word
On the 11th day of christmas jordan peterson gave to mee.. a video about the gospels for freeee
Lmaooo 💙
The twelve days of Christmas start on Christmas day, not the 1st of December.
🐉Jesus is the encoded fallen angel in the Jewish Bible!
Isaiah 14:12-15 / Ezekiel 28:12-17
🚫 We consumed from the forbidden tree when we ate Jesus's body & drank his blood🍷 🥖 Genesis 3 -John 6:53
🚫 This evil symbolic Cannibalistic ritual & witchcraft is forbidden to the God of Israel!
Leviticus 7:27 / Leviticus 19:26
🚫 Jesus created his own covenant & told us to eat his flesh, drink his blood, pray in his name & *not STRAIGHT to the God of Israel😬
Ezekiel 45:22 /John 6:53-58 / Psalm 16:4.
🚫 Jesus was rebuked & anguished after his last supper covenant & was forsakften on the cross & casted down as a result of his own sin. Matthew 26:36-46 / Zechariah 13:7
🚫 Jesus said he is the only way & that's a lie! 🐍Just learn from all of Gods Righteous people.... Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, all the Profits, Isreal & more!
Psalm 32
☦️ Jesus said he was the erected bronze snake in the wilderness in Exodus. John 3:14-15
🚫 The evil churches & Islam are praying to dead idols & false gods. Deuteronomy 4:28
🚫 Jews, Christians & Islam believers are dangerous & destructive for a lack of knowledge & have persecuted & pierced Gods Holy people for thousands of years because they refuse the whole word of God 😪Matthew 10:34 / Hosea 4:6 / Psalm 83
☦️ The bronze snake became an idol that was eventually destroyed...2 Kings 18:4
Checkmate ♟️Zechariah 13:7 / Deuteronomy 8:2 /Exodus 7:16
Hear📣...O Israel / believers, our God YHWH is one☝️Deuteronomy 6:4-9 - Psalms 81:9-10
🕊From the prayer of Moses Exodus 32:11-14 / Exodus 33:13-23, & the Hopi nation, the miracle of the white buffalo, & the spirit of Elijah calling from the wilderness, remember the 10 Love commands & repent of your evil wicked ways! Exodus 8:1- Malachi 3
Isaiah 1:18 ❤️🩹 Exodus 20:1-7
❤️🔥1. Thou shalt have NO other gods before YHWH
💌2. Thou shalt NOT make unto thee any graven images.
🤍3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
💝4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
💞5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
🖤6. Thou shalt not murder
💔7. Thou shalt not commit adultery
🩶8. Thou shalt not steal
❣️9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
🤎10. Thou shalt not covet🤝
Give the synagogues, churches & mosques what is theirs💘 & give the Creator Father YHWH what is His 🌎 & let's make Israel & the world amazing again🫶
Psalms 51❤️🔥Psalm 90...Jeremiah 31:31✨️ Ezekiel 36:26
I love U 🕊
@@AJ_Sparten1337yes, that is the pagan celebration
😂
PRAISE THE LORD!!!
The Orthodox interpretation is correct 💯☦️
Amen!
Orthodoxs are divided as the protestants. Not as much, but still divided.
@nicolasbascunan4013 communion is what decides if you are divided and so no the Orthodox isn't divided those who are cut out are not in communion. Protestants are in communion with hundreds of false heretical churches like oneness Pentecostals who believe in modalism and such nonsense. Your protestant church is to thank for such things as the feminist Bible and gays in the pulpit. You don't know what you are talking about.
Orthobros are always right! 😂
@@d3adp94 You're divided in factions too, same as the Prots.
Funny to watch people struggle with the concept of love. Love is the only lens to read the Bible through as Jesus so perfectly did. Relationship at all costs. Without relationship, there is nothing. Love is and always will be the only law. Great comment on getting more than one view on a point, that it helps flush out truth much faster. We were made to discuss, interact, engage, and have differing views it is what love does. Love is the perfect design.
The key to unlocking the Bible is the Holy Spirit Himself.
Those whose minds are darkened by their sin will never be able to understand what God is telling them.
They will think they do. They will even speak on behalf of God’s Word (false prophets), but their minds and words have no power or authority.
Those who have ears to hear will be able to hear.
And those with minds of intellectual pride alone won’t understand it either. No one can. It’s a group
effort.
@ - I really agree with what you share! Pride is such a great sin! To think we understand God’s Word on our own or by ourselves is a great snare to ourselves!
Malachi 3:16, “Then those who feared the Lord spoke with one another. The Lord paid attention and heard them, and a book of remembrance was written before him of those who feared the Lord and esteemed his name.”
Proverbs 12:5, “The thoughts of the righteous are just;
the counsels of the wicked are deceitful.”
Proverbs 12:15, “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,
but a wise man listens to advice.”
1 Kings 12 is the story of King Rehoboam, who did not listen to the counsel of the “Old Men” that gave advice to Rehoboam’s father (King Solomon), but instead took the council of the young men.
1 Kings 12:8, “But he abandoned the counsel that the old men gave him and took counsel with the young men who had grown up with him and stood before him.”
Acts 17:10-13, “The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. 12 Many of them therefore believed, with not a few Greek women of high standing as well as men. 13 But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was proclaimed by Paul at Berea also, they came there too, agitating and stirring up the crowds.”
We need to sharpen one another and temper our pride and learn from others. But counsel alone from “others” is not a true safeguard either.
We must check everything against the Word of God and also the most Wonderful of all Counselors-the life and words of Jesus Himself.
We should be “poor in spirit”. Humble and easily teachable and learn from others. Together we are much stronger and with the Holy Spirit and our Lord Jesus we can receive the guidance and understanding we need.
Again thank you for your words. 😊
tefuk, brainwashed much?
you mean the same holy spirit that guided all the different denominations?
@@chickenwasabi240 - The same Holy Spirit that gave FOUR GOSPELS...
The same Holy Spirit that is described in Ezekiel 1:4-21, concerning the creatures with 4 faces and led by the Holy Spirit.
Just as the Holy Spirit led 12 tribes while in the wilderness and each tribes distinct name was written and worn on the Ephod of the High Priest.
You have this interesting idea that there should be only one "proper" denomination that has to be followed.
I would hope if you looked at the book of Genesis at each of the ancestors of faith, they each worshiped the One True God in a very unique way and manner.
TOTAL CATHOLIC VICTORY!
I think this problem of bounding interpretation would be true if the text was purely symbolic or true only in the sense of describing human psychology. The Christian tradition of the Bible being a living text is that God sets bounds and uses the text to communicate clearly. I think it would be difficult to try and bound the meaning in the Bible purely from an extra-Christian perspective. Even the Catholic argument of the community keeping things in check is not good because the "community" has also gone off track many times in history.
The Living Text argument I think I why the Bible has not gone off the rails. Which for me is a compelling argument as to why the Bible can only be fully understood if one believes there is a God directing the world. Truly. Not metaphorically or psychologically. Just plain ol' old school Christian belief-wise.
The problem is not just in the church but also learning in places like this, there is no dialogue, just monologue. Only some get to have dialogue, while everyone else has to put up with monologue. There is no interaction. NO interaction between the church hierarchy and everyone else, that is not in church hierarchy. Church was never to be created to be that way, it became that way because of people. Its like all the systems, in the earth, only some can have while everyone has to go without.
1 Cor. 1:23-24.
Pleasssse!!!!!
yes, the scriptures reveal the power of God, not the wisdom of men. our trust is in the power of God--the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe, the same mighty power that God worked in christ when he rose him from the dead. that power... who is able to do exceedingly above and beyond all that we ask or think. Christ in you. the Spirit of promise. the promise of the Father. amen.
Thank you for sharing on the topic of Bible interpretation. Along the same lines, could you also share your thoughts on the controversial issue of women’s roles in the modern church?
The thing that scares me most is that 90% of the time I understand Dr. Peterson...
I love that Dennis Prager is there. 'Religion on the Line' is our mutual history. Prager was doing this on the radio 30 years ago...
Prager believes that the gospels are the word of God. Peterson thinks they're just really great stories he can write books and give lectures about.
No Peterson largely believes. But to fully believe all the time he takes it as if he did that then he would never sin again and he is not at that point but still perhaps believes more deeply than most Christians @@dashcammer4322
The most important understanding is that Jesus wasn't talking to you!! Jesus sent Paul to you with your instructions.
It's important to remember context - Paul was obviously addressing certain people at a certain time, and so not all of the epistles are universally applicable to everyone and at everytime.
@@ishiftfocus1769 the fact you have to interpret this nonsense speaks volumes about the interpreter…
The people have spoken! We want more!
Well, actually only men have spoken here 😅 Which, again, makes it only half the truth that is there to be discovered…
@@NadjaTeege I hope St. Paul didn't see this.
@@NadjaTeege If you got something to say lets see it
@@nicolasbascunan4013 Galatians 3:28 I suppose he wrote himself, right?
@@NadjaTeege Is there a different Truth between males and females? Is Truth something that is divided, and is not complete until the M+F ‘halves’ are joined? To quote Star Trek: “Is Truth not truth for all?”?
Yes, the Holy Spirit. How did Paul go to Asia for three years and then was on the same page as James and Peter if it were not for the Holy Spirit. Paul did not get it from the church like we think of today
Just a friendly reminder
Know Islam,no peace
No Islam,know peace
Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life
What Islam has anything to do with Jesus? How about jews and their forever war with every non-jews?
We can all agree on that, that's for sure
8:24 Jordan Peterson looks like how I look watching Jordan Peterson
Once the series has been shown in its entirety on DailyWire, I hope it will uploaded to TH-cam to reach even more people. I love what they've done with the set here, looks just right.
Am I right in saying that some theological treatises are older than, or just as old as, the synoptic gospels? Apart from the Pauline letters.
The correct translation of Holy Scripture, is the one that does not interpret the Bible to appeal to any denomination, whether Catholic or Jewish, etc. The correct interpretation is the Holy Ghost. The church cannot teach, rather, only the unction and anointing from the baptism of the Holy Ghost, is what teaches.
ideally, the pastors and teachers are filled with the holy spirit. jordan still approaches scripture as a clinical psychologist. i have yet heard him proclaim the jesus christ is his personal lord and savior.
@windyday8598 so was Peter, and he got caught up in Judaism until he was confronted by apostle Paul. Whether or not a person's wisdom is from the Holy Ghost isn't dependent upon them having the Holy Ghost. Anybody can still corrupt the word that He has given them. I can do it and so can anybody. I believe that God is using Jordan Peterson, but he has a lot of psychology in him and has been the way that he has lived off of for a long while. Just like thr Baron too, but with him it is Catholicism..but Catholicism is not the anointing that the Holy Ghost..that's why he will use the Bible to justify and always point back to martyrs and saints. Whereas the proper way for the revelation that is the Bible, to be interpreted, is without a human understanding, but an understanding that has been given to you that is from the Holy Ghost. This is why, when interpreting the Bible, the correct interpretation is the one where no denomination is exalted, but rather, the Bible always points you back to possessing the thoughts of God, His revelation about Himself, that happened through history and the letters in the Bible.
@@windyday8598 No, he just sees this as a great collection of stories.
"but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong," (1 Corinthians 1:27)
The answer is not in Plato, not in the Roman Church it is in God. His holy word is clear as crystal.
His Holy Spirit when it abides in us as a believer, gives us the wisdom of His word...for it is alive & sharper than any 2 sided sword...sometimes " minds " can make it so much more confusing...
Have you thanked a Catholic today for the Catholic Church giving the Bible to the World?
@@anthonyhulse1248 That “Catholic” church then was far different than the one around today.
Quite true. A little leaven of Plato and Aristotle has stripped the Christian world of the true Jesus.
@@suzannecochrane9928 I agree, they should be searching the word of God for answers. They may find it if they look there.
“The only lives that truly matter are those who respect the lives of others”.
But by saying that you're disrespecting the ones that don't
God knew the Gospels could be interpreted in many different ways, which is why He founded a Church on Peter, infused it with the Holy Spirit, giving it the authority to objectively interpret Scripture and teach in matters of faith and morals. Yes, I am speaking of the Catholic Church.
Man is flawed. Scripture is not.
Objective interpretation?? That's an oxymoron.
@@DIBBY40 Not at all. If a person interprets Scripture, it is subjective. If the Holy Spirit speaks through the Church Jesus founded and, in so doing, interprets Scripture, whatever it interprets is considered objectively true as it is divine.
the church's one foundation is jesus christ. he builds his church on that confession, as the apostles did confess.
@windyday8598 Yes Jesus founded His Church on Peter the Apostle, as written in Matthew 16.
if you want to interpret just read it for what it is the scriptures themselves tell us they are not up for personal interpretation. If you just listen to what they are telling you, you will find that all things will match up and explain themselves. There is a single reoccurring theme that is happening, and we are so caught up in ourselves that we can't see the other prospective that is being shown .ps .not trying to be sassy in this comment I read it again and it felt kind of sassy.
The early church fathers would agree: there is nothing special about them or anyone else that qualifies them over you for interpreting scripture. But more importantly, interpreting is very low on the hierarchy of importance. Most important is that which has been from the beginning: do unto others as you'd have done unto you. If your efforts at interpreting distract you from living that out, interpreting has become an idol.
Neglect of that truth was the root of the fall, the root of Cain's decision, and so on.
Too much priority on interpretation was literally the seed of the fall in the garden.
Nice try, protestant. "Interpreting has become an idol"...You're just like postmodernists at this point.
Have you read the early Church fathers? 😂 There was a Christian empire with an emperor who brought together the whole church to confess one faith and scripture. How is it possible to have the whole church together in the first few centuries and have it in error? Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against the church, the church is the pillar of truth and the Holy Spirit will guide the church. Your assertion is nonsensical.
@@ezekielbates2921 the emperor was not an early church father.
@@ezekielbates2921 didn't say anything about error, and I don't think the emperor was a church father.
@@christiantgolden ok while Constantine may not technically be considered a church father he is an Orthodox saint and called the councils. As so he was in conformity with the whole church and Spirit lead. My point isn't that about Constantine though, but about the councils being the whole church in alignment as one being lead by the Spirit and not in error concerning the canons. You may not have said error itself, but saying they aren't any different is to say they could be in error as a whole and not individually. The point is that the church is the pillar of Truth and isn't as a whole ever in error so the councils must be correct and Spirit lead or the scriptures are false. The scriptures say the gates of hell will not prevail against the church and if the councils are in error then that's the church fathers in error as a whole and hell has prevailed. That's the logical extension of your statement. It is true that we are all in the same boat as the church fathers in that we must all rely on the Holy Spirit, but it is not the case that the church fathers are not special in that they were called to the councils to create the cannons that we are bound to as a whole. Individually we can all error and fathers aren't different in that sense, but as a council the fathers became special because they are then the Church, the pillar of truth.
The apostle Paul makes it clear that humanity is not only fallen spiritually but intellectually. One of the finest N.T. theologians regarding the interpretation of the N.T. and the essential role of the Holy Spirit is Dr. Gordon Fee. Without a working understanding of Fee's work, a discussion of this kind would be like not understanding the importance of Q to the gospels.
“Is there a correct interpretation” it would be super useful if we had a orthodox church tradition or this concept called church fathers to consult on these texts. Shame we definitely have nothing like that around.
the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two edged sword.......