@@JakeLinux Recently read that systemd allegedly has some vulns around the fact that it pings some DNS servers, maybe that's good content to get the word out. Open SSL just had a vuln come out and get patched. LibreSSL seems like the better option.
@@defnlife1683 I have not heard about that, I will have to look into that, that's good info to share even if people don't want to switch away from susD.
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@@JakeLinux i just tried the same steps as viewed in the video, sudo sv down dhcp sudo rm /var/service/dhcp sudo ln -s /etc/sv/NetworkManager /var/service sudo sv up NetworkManager but the status of network manager is still down if you can help me with this, that will be appreciated 🙏 thanks on advance jake ☺️
@@hamzaghozz6870 run the following: "ls /var/service" (without the quotes) and see if dbus is listed in the output. If it is not listed run sudo ln -s /etc/sv/dbus /var/service/ to start it, then start NetworkManager.
I think runit is amazing i just feel like everytime someone reasons why systemd is bad it gets so abstract, no exact reasons ...because from my experience it just works, no "funky clunky things". But the biggest reason why i keep it is that services are something you dont touch very often on your own machine, its usually servers with databases, nginx, firewalls, docker etc etc ...and it builds your muscle memory. Then once in a while I needed to setup new service locally and I had to figure it out again xD thats why i went back to systemd and it just does the same thing. I understand why runit is better but in reality it is often about convenience (at least for me). systemctl status (global overview of running services) is also very handy, and then status of single service gives you scrollable output, when you try to debug said service. How do you get output of the service on runit? I once needed that and could not figure it out. amazing video anyway!
Yeah, runit caters to the people who want their "services manager" to be as simple as possible, with the pros and cons that has. I have Debian in all my servers, but I use Void linux in my laptop. I currently don't have a Linux main driver for reasons, but if I had, I'm unsure if I would use runit on it. On the other hand, I am loving Void as a portable environment
Boot times too. On my Latitude E6430 with a 1 TB SATA SSD, vanilla Arch boots in about 20-25 seconds (from power on to user login) Void boots in 8-10. Small difference for sure, but dang it’s fast and smooth
I'm using a runit linux distro and was wondering if you could do a bit on using cups with it. I can't figure out how to get my Canon printer working with it.
I am system engineer, I manage servers, I've never had an issue with systemd throwing errors out of nowhere, also systemctl is kinda more friendly than using links to manage services
That's great, I'm glad you don't have issues, but I did have issues, it wasn't a common occurrence, but it happened. It's ok for people to prefer runit over systemd. Freedom to choose how and what you personally want to run on your system is one of the biggest perks on Linux. I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I dislike systemd, I just prefer runit and those were my reasons.
@@JakeLinux Don't get me wrong, I understand that you prefer runit, I used to use it myself, it's nice, but I felt like you misrepresented the stability of systemd like its objectively worse, and it is not. Anyway, sorry if I sounded like a jerk, I'm glad there are people using, contributing to and marketing software and distros that aren't that popular but are still amazing
@@dasdadasdasd4917 no sweat, didn't think you were a jerk, I had no intentions of misrepresenting sysD, just sharing my experience and what I like about runit. sysD wouldn't be the standard of it was not a solid tool. Thanks for your comments and for watching the channel.
Hi i have switched from Arch to Debian for stabillity issues. But Debian is too old.. I am thinking of going to Void Linux. Are there any programs that require system D in order to work? What about pulse audio? I use it with Jack for my sound recordings, do they work on Void?
@@chrisrallis4502 I have been on Void for a long time now, while it does not have as.many packages available as arch or Debian, I have yet to come across any packages I need that have not been available or that have not worked. I can't speak to your needs but I have had no issues. As far as pulseaudio, it works great on void. You can go to the void documentation and look for the packages you are concerned with and see if they are available, you can also check the void-src repo if they are not in the main repo.
hi Jake, sorry my english... i have problem with printer, i have installed cups and it is in /var/service . Xfce desktop. localhost:631 does not work, and when i look under printer there is nothing to find....
@@JakeLinux brother-dcp-1610w-series Also HP Printer. Should not cups run first? Drivers for Brother I have found only one, and for HP I have installed the HP package, name I do not know right now because not on the notebook
@@andreupuig5344 for the hp you can use hplip, and use hp-setup from the command line to set it up, I have had no problems with that working. For the brother, Im not too sure, I have never used a brother, I am assuming you are running void Linux, so have you read the printing section of the void handbook? I believe that tells you what you need installed for brother printers to work, I would just tell you but I can't remember off the top of my head. As for cups, you need to make sure cupsd is running and available before going to localhost:631.
Hi Jak, now the printing is running, I didn't do the link correctly. Anyway, thanks for the help, and especially for the instructive videos. void linux runs super fast on the thinkpad x270@@JakeLinux
I've come here because of run0, Ubuntu and Debian/Flatpak. all things I hate, then the search results led into edge channels. also, symlinks unnecessary bloatware.
@@JakeLinux No worries. You should see some of mine when I go for very "subtle". How about cooking up a color scheme just for videos and make that a branding thing?
Hey man you'r using Alacritty , rust based right. Dont fool yourself, rust is most vulnerable language and most flawed langauge every made . If you also check the ram usage compared to c++ based, also + binary sizes, they are much better than rust based. Dont go thorough what non programmer says , oh rust programs, oh rust. Be openmineded use kitty or c++ based. :)
LIbre SSL, Runit, etc. There's a lot to love in Void. More people need to support the project.
Agreed, I feel it does not get the love/coverage it deserves.
@@JakeLinux Recently read that systemd allegedly has some vulns around the fact that it pings some DNS servers, maybe that's good content to get the word out.
Open SSL just had a vuln come out and get patched. LibreSSL seems like the better option.
@@defnlife1683 I have not heard about that, I will have to look into that, that's good info to share even if people don't want to switch away from susD.
They haven't used LibreSSL for a long time, they switched to OpenSSL
I'm moving to Void Linux now..
Hello there!
Just visited here from DT's.
The video's great. But I recommend you to improve the sound quality.
I have great audio in other videos but when I switch here, I have to increase the volume to listen well.
Just make audio a bit sharp and loud.
You just gained a subscriber from Nepal. KEEP GROWING!
#LoveOpenSource
#LoveLinux
#LoveFromNepal 🇳🇵
man realy??
it is just that simple?
i struggled alot until I saw you video,
i would never back to systemD
thanks jake ❤❤
@@hamzaghozz6870 you're very welcome
@@JakeLinux i just tried the same steps as viewed in the video,
sudo sv down dhcp
sudo rm /var/service/dhcp
sudo ln -s /etc/sv/NetworkManager /var/service
sudo sv up NetworkManager
but the status of network manager is still down
if you can help me with this, that will be appreciated 🙏
thanks on advance jake ☺️
@@hamzaghozz6870 is dbus running?
@@JakeLinux i am a beginner, how can i know if it is running?
@@hamzaghozz6870 run the following: "ls /var/service" (without the quotes) and see if dbus is listed in the output. If it is not listed run sudo ln -s /etc/sv/dbus
/var/service/ to start it, then start NetworkManager.
Great video! Have been using runit on artix for about over a year now and love it! It's stupid simple!
It is the main reason I have stuck with void, crazy fast and simple to set up services, and stable as can be.
I think runit is amazing i just feel like everytime someone reasons why systemd is bad it gets so abstract, no exact reasons ...because from my experience it just works, no "funky clunky things". But the biggest reason why i keep it is that services are something you dont touch very often on your own machine, its usually servers with databases, nginx, firewalls, docker etc etc ...and it builds your muscle memory. Then once in a while I needed to setup new service locally and I had to figure it out again xD thats why i went back to systemd and it just does the same thing. I understand why runit is better but in reality it is often about convenience (at least for me). systemctl status (global overview of running services) is also very handy, and then status of single service gives you scrollable output, when you try to debug said service. How do you get output of the service on runit? I once needed that and could not figure it out.
amazing video anyway!
Yeah, runit caters to the people who want their "services manager" to be as simple as possible, with the pros and cons that has. I have Debian in all my servers, but I use Void linux in my laptop. I currently don't have a Linux main driver for reasons, but if I had, I'm unsure if I would use runit on it. On the other hand, I am loving Void as a portable environment
Boot times too. On my Latitude E6430 with a 1 TB SATA SSD, vanilla Arch boots in about 20-25 seconds (from power on to user login)
Void boots in 8-10.
Small difference for sure, but dang it’s fast and smooth
Boot time is amazingly fast
great video! I am just trying void and I have to say, that I like it so far. (Also going wit Arch/Debian) ;-)
I'm using a runit linux distro and was wondering if you could do a bit on using cups with it. I can't figure out how to get my Canon printer working with it.
Great clear explanations Jake, love the way you cover the needed logic to state how things work:-)))
I am system engineer, I manage servers, I've never had an issue with systemd throwing errors out of nowhere, also systemctl is kinda more friendly than using links to manage services
That's great, I'm glad you don't have issues, but I did have issues, it wasn't a common occurrence, but it happened.
It's ok for people to prefer runit over systemd. Freedom to choose how and what you personally want to run on your system is one of the biggest perks on Linux. I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I dislike systemd, I just prefer runit and those were my reasons.
@@JakeLinux Don't get me wrong, I understand that you prefer runit, I used to use it myself, it's nice, but I felt like you misrepresented the stability of systemd like its objectively worse, and it is not. Anyway, sorry if I sounded like a jerk, I'm glad there are people using, contributing to and marketing software and distros that aren't that popular but are still amazing
@@dasdadasdasd4917 no sweat, didn't think you were a jerk, I had no intentions of misrepresenting sysD, just sharing my experience and what I like about runit. sysD wouldn't be the standard of it was not a solid tool. Thanks for your comments and for watching the channel.
Hi i have switched from Arch to Debian for stabillity issues. But Debian is too old.. I am thinking of going to Void Linux. Are there any programs that require system D in order to work? What about pulse audio? I use it with Jack for my sound recordings, do they work on Void?
@@chrisrallis4502 I have been on Void for a long time now, while it does not have as.many packages available as arch or Debian, I have yet to come across any packages I need that have not been available or that have not worked. I can't speak to your needs but I have had no issues. As far as pulseaudio, it works great on void. You can go to the void documentation and look for the packages you are concerned with and see if they are available, you can also check the void-src repo if they are not in the main repo.
@@JakeLinux Thanks man! I am thinking to install on a KVM VM first and probably make it my main OS on my Desktop.
the only thing that makes me come back to arch everytime i try void, is the aur, besides that, the distro is perfect.
Void-src repo not cut it? I thought it would be harder to leave arch than it actually was.
You could use Artix too if you want another initsystem.
Hi, pls do some review about void-linux musl wayland sway, in all internet I can't find some solid explanation. thanks!
@@JakeLinux Installation from scratch, little bit customization, performance, screen sharing in some app I will be grateful, for such a video
Good video. thanks.
Could you do a video on comparing boot times of systemd vs runit? That would be awesome
Sure, I will add it to the list.
Hey man, what kind of prompt is this?
Just one I made.
hi Jake, sorry my english... i have problem with printer, i have installed cups and it is in /var/service . Xfce desktop. localhost:631 does not work, and when i look under printer there is nothing to find....
are you saying localhost:631 does not open when you attempt to navigate to it? also what brand of printer are you using?
@@JakeLinux brother-dcp-1610w-series
Also HP Printer. Should not cups run first?
Drivers for Brother I have found only one, and for HP I have installed the HP package, name I do not know right now because not on the notebook
@@andreupuig5344 for the hp you can use hplip, and use hp-setup from the command line to set it up, I have had no problems with that working. For the brother, Im not too sure, I have never used a brother, I am assuming you are running void Linux, so have you read the printing section of the void handbook? I believe that tells you what you need installed for brother printers to work, I would just tell you but I can't remember off the top of my head.
As for cups, you need to make sure cupsd is running and available before going to localhost:631.
Hi Jak, now the printing is running, I didn't do the link correctly. Anyway, thanks for the help, and especially for the instructive videos. void linux runs super fast on the thinkpad x270@@JakeLinux
so fkn simple much much better than systemd
100%
"another"
The single thing almost anyone talk about.
Yup, another. There are many things I like about void, runit is just one of them, so for me it is just another thing on the list.
I've come here because of run0, Ubuntu and Debian/Flatpak. all things I hate, then the search results led into edge channels. also, symlinks unnecessary bloatware.
Not such a good choice of colors ... :)
@@JakeLinux I'm not a green fan, but I have to say when you post a video I can spot a Jake@Linux video by teh colors.
@@JakeLinux No worries. You should see some of mine when I go for very "subtle". How about cooking up a color scheme just for videos and make that a branding thing?
His DWM "rice" looks good.
Hey man you'r using Alacritty , rust based right.
Dont fool yourself, rust is most vulnerable language and most flawed langauge every made . If you also check the ram usage compared to c++ based, also + binary sizes, they are much better than rust based.
Dont go thorough what non programmer says , oh rust programs, oh rust.
Be openmineded use kitty or c++ based. :)
Hey this was written some time ago, but would be cool to see what makes rust vuln. Do you have examples?
I use kitty btw.
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