3) I am a smoker for the last 34 years, and yes I hate the cigarettes producers, reason? Simple, they've added addictive ingredients which I did not know about for years, it was not enough to accept people buying their product for pleasure, but to make them addicted to the ingredients they use its a shame, and I am against it... Took me 8 years, countless attempts to stop smoking with every aid that is available with no results, but when finally I bought the famous e-cigarette I am successful, and I managed to reduce down from 30 a day to 4-5 a day in only 2 month. I call that success!
Vaporken _23 Is this a fact? Cuz they sure don’t taste sweet at all! On the other hand, sugar IS an addictive substance, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they added it to the mix of God knows what all...
I am a smoker of 45 years and now I am not a smoker but a vaper. I had no intention of giving up the smokes but something happened that made me find a way to not go crazy. I drive a truck and my company bought us new trucks and ordered us to not smoke in them. I am a nicotine addict and it keeps me calm and happy when I drive so now what? Can't just throw my job in as need money like anyone else. Picked up a vape with nicotine 3 weeks ago with the idea to use it at work and smoke cigs at home after work. By the end of only one week I decided to not buy smokes as my fix from the ecig has worked so I keep my $87 the Australian government was extorting from me every week. Greatest gift ever invented for a smoker. My ecig tastes better and my addiction is fed and no stress at all. Amazing that anyone would wan't to not give me the choice to a better future. Backwards Australia makes me import my nicotine juice from overseas as it's illegal to sell in a shop here. We are so far behind the UK it is not funny. Australia is the biggest nanny state gov in the world
@@yoshidasaki17703 I have no desire to stop my intake of nicotine. I like the calming effects it brings me. Nothing less than 24mg in my juice & guaranteed to get the monkey off my back. I will never go back to smoking cigs to get my fix so vaping is a life saver
@@WadjilaCherokeeX I'm ex factory worker, also used to work at food industry. I smoke A LOT. 0 nic really help me cut down my puffs with vapor (used to puff 400-500 times a day on my 1st year switch) Nowadays 130-150 is my biggest number. And I love telling that story, it's my big achievement that I really work hard to get it xD
@@yoshidasaki17703 I am so happy you have managed to break free as yes it is a great achievement. I on the other hand love being able to get my fix without all the bad effects of tar etc from smoking cigs. That gives me what my body and mind desires in a much safer way. Needs to be made legal to any adult. Once again congrats to you on your journey
Would the kids who are starting to vape, be starting to smoke cigs otherwise? If so, then they are better off too. Leave Vaping alone! It is much safer than smoking. Period.
they actually want you to Vape , if you looked at propaganda and made a conclusion that they are against Vaping trust me you got it wrong , there is no bad propaganda just propaganda and effects of it we can see in schools , Governments and whoever rules above us want us to Vape, i recently dropped cigs and started Vape but im getting the feeling this is made for those that never wanted to smoke , so its like oh well at least Vape , Vape will get more dangerous in future , more dangerous then Cigs , how i dont know but it will
@@dedskin1 I highly doubt ecigs will get more dangerous. They will find risks (like chemicals in particular flavours) and regulate to prevent them from being a risk
@@dedskin1 i think the moral or the conclusion is that, BOTH of these are bad, but which one is worse? lol. It doesn't matter which is worse, its all inhaling something in and i highly doubt that it is MEANT for the body, just coming from a humanistic/humanity's approach,, just personally don't feel like we need that. We can say that its a safer alternative sure, but its both bad anyway.
2ml tanks , 10ml bottles of e juice etc etc etc when are they going to sell alcohol in 30ml bottles (one shot that you cant spill !!! ) and cigarettes sold in packs of 5 that are child proof ??? what a stupid set of rules it all makes no sense to me at all . I had 2 heart attacks 7 weeks ago and i have stopped smoking because i vape now
MART it makes sense if you See it is a direct aide to the smoking industry. Smoking industry would Love to keep people smoking or at least using one of their ineffective methods of stopping like the drugs that change people’s personality or the gum that truly makes you sick. Vaping works and that scares them. They have scrambled doing their best to keep vaping out of the hands of smokers.
You can buy replacement glass tubes to get a higher capacity tank. Tbh these regulations have probably increased revenue for vape retailers as they can sell you more products to get around them. Plus it's harder to stop smoking now using a cheaper, less powerful device using 18mg nicotine instead of 32mg like I used to stop smoking with a cheap ego pen so you can't really get an effective alternative cheaply anymore. Now you need a more expensive, powerful Ecig to be able to get a decent nicotine dose.
What an amazing debate!..Here in Ontario Canada we are still having to fight the Bill for Vaping.Yes its is legal but the they want to ban it .I quit 2 years ago and started vaping to stop.I feel so much better and i can breath more,Walk more.It has changed my whole life,no more smelly home,clothes,hair.
When you smoke, we smoke. When I vape, I vape. The smoke from cigarettes affects the non smoker from passive smoking(inhaling) stinks up the clothes, turns white furniture grey. Vaping is better for everyone whether they vape or not. Put people's health and happiness above the almighty dollar!
Ive been in rooms stuffy with vape, it's disgusting. Prob worse for you than cigarettes, as the vape has smaller, finer particulate and gets more deeply imbedded in lung tissues.
@@tristan9812 There are concerns about certain flavourings and the potential for heavy metal traces from coils in vapour and the longterm health effects as a result of their accumulation in people's lungs. Even so there is no comparison to smoke from cigarettes. Air filled with vaping vapour is in no doubt far safer than air filled with cigarette smoke. Propylene glycol is used in many fog machines, if vaping should be banned then so should stage fog at concerts, theatres and events
Excellent discussion and debate among the panel members and audience alike. I wish we were having more of this type of forum and discussion across the pond here in the U.S..
lets get 1 thing perfectly clear, it is NOT a war on e cigarettes nor is it a war on vaping... it is a war on competition! At 3:18 the guy representing "the nanny state" says "if you've got a war, you've got to agree what the battle lines are..." and he goes on to think it's about health and statistics waffling an awful lot and having no clue where the battle lines are... I tell you the battle lines are between the big multinational corporations, with billions of pounds at their disposal to lobby for laws in their favour, and the small business owners, smokers, ex smokers and vapers, who have collectively raised the vaping industry from being nothing to being the fastest growing industry today... and it's been done completely independent of these large corporations and without government. You make a monopoly by regulating.
Writing now in 2019 one thing particularly worries me. I recently relapsed after a 46 day cold turkey cigarette quit. Although I bought a packet of cigarettes and smoked them I was determined not to go back to smoking tobacco full time. I am 58, had been smoking since I was 15, and had quit following a frighteningly bad bronchial chest infection. So I went to a local vape shop and bought the necessary equipment. I have been very impressed and the product has given me hope. But the thing that worries me is the prospect that government legislation will eventually make it as financially punitive to the consumer as tobacco had become. I had begun to find that crippling. Which was another important incentive for my original quit, aside from health.
peterc Yeah, I get that, worried about it also. I’m gonna try and get as much juice as I can afford, all diff. flavors, perhaps a couple more pod systems, those tanks are a little scary to me, just not experienced enuf yet. Yes, going to stock up. Couple months ago, started at 50mg, next juice 35, next 25, just today started with12mg. Going to keep going down, was told you don’t have to use nic salts with pods, they only go down to 25. Last nite put the free base in both my pods, so far, so GOOD!
Just about every flavor of E Juice is available in 0 nicotine. Those who are involved in Cloud competitions us pure Vegetable Glycerin which is only available in 0 nicotine. Therefore, there is not a 100% chance of becoming addicted to nicotine. This is something I feel should be taken into account.
This fact undermines their narrative, which is why it is intentionally not mentioned. Any information that contradicts their agenda is suppressed or minimized, as happens with all propaganda. The entire smear campaign demonstrates how mainstream news and their sources engineer public opinion with coordinated persistent disinformation across multiple countries simultaneously (US, UK, India, Australia, NZ, Indonesia, etc). Their agenda becomes the 'solution' to a 'problem' that they themselves have manufactured.
they talk about banning e cigs all together yet earlier in the video they mention that vaping is significantly safer then smoking cigarettes. i dont see how banning something that is safer then the other option. so it seems that all these people trying to ban e cigs would rather the public to be unhealthy. Also from my own personal experiance i started vaping even though i didnt smoke cigarettes and in no way is it a gate way to cigarettes... cigarettes taste terrible but when it comes to my vape witch has 0% nicotine it tastes really good. another good point that should be mentioned is that the nicotine in ecig juice is synthesized meaning it does not come from tobacco.
There is a clip on here of pulminologist with arguably the most experience on the topic talking about a study he did where he studied the impact of vaping on a bunch of individuals. All the individuals participating in the study (over a number of years) maintained their health status despite having vaped frequently for years. This well known, first class pulminologist stated it was safe- case closed. He went on to say that there may be findings in another 20 or so years but it would likely effect 2-3% of vapers. That's 2 in every 100 people as opposed to 75 of every 100 smokers. I'll take vaping thanks.
Smoking kills but .......keep it up, don’t vape , we Want you to smoke, we have grown Hugh because of all the smokers we were able to garner.......smoking kills not only the smoker but those exposed to excessive amounts of smoke. 97 percent less harmful than smoking
Applause, Applause! Very well put together panel, discussion and topic. Every panelist waited their turn, no real garbage was thrown and the audience had an opportunity to interact. I can watch this type of 'debate' all day long. I'm a vaper trying to quit smoking and I am continually seeking data to validate or dis-prove the crappy media stories that are knocking the action of vaping while almost validating the act of smoking. The stories I call crappy include one side of the facts which leads an under educated person to believe what is written - which is not factual data but some writers opinion. This panel, although somewhat siding with vaping, was able to clearly make points based on facts, plead for more research and use the valid research that's already been done. Nice job!
Smokin Vaper I smoked for about 45 yrs. Wish I’d discovered vaping when it started...don’t smoke anymore. Love the flavors and that I don’t smell like a filthy ash tray...
Just a comment about smokers returning to cig's, having smoked 20-40 a day for 40 years, I've left cig's completely behind in less than a year. I've smoked one here and there but have come to realize that cig's are a complete waste of time and money. Vaping only uses the e-liquid when I vape, where a cig burns up. As the lady said, I enjoyed smoking. The act of it, as well as the feeling. I get the same thing from vaping. It's relaxing, helps me to focus, and the cost of it when compared to smoking, it's a heck of a lot cheaper. I can also say that I have seen an improvement in my health as well.
1) All this people who try to ban vaping, or taxing it further, should be left jobless! It looks like they do not have anything better to do, so they are paid for nothing exactly like politicians, look at the house of commons, they argue non stop, and hardly a good law is passed to the citizen of any country, only restrictions, more taxing, and more poverty! In fact I wish I could give them a salary of £1200 a month (and thats huge amount) and let them to manage 3 months in a council house, as to experience life properly!
No, no, no...Ok if people are going to talk about nicotine, wouldn't it be nice if they at least researched a little bit the subject. Nicotine is a stimulant much like caffeine. It its natural form it is not addictive (otherwise people who vape could not reduce the level of nicotine as they vape.) In its deprotonated or "free base" form (which is what the tobacco companies did to make it more addictive) nicotine is very addictive and has the withdrawal side effects such as irritability, etc. The longer people vape, and as they reduce the level of nicotine in their liquids, they will notice that their desire for a "fix" is lower, to the point that there comes a time when people do not notice they need the dosage of nicotine. This is the problem I have with this kind of fora, they have people who are not experienced, who do not vape, and who have no science training, therefore assumptions that are untrue keep getting perpetrated and passed along. I quit watching the video at this point, clearly the information is inaccurate and I have no desire to watch more of the same.
Im watching this video exactly four years after it was published. The e-cig/vaping debates which were occurring in the UK back in 2015 are now happening in the US and Canada in 2019.
The lady in the panel, you are right about smoking, vaping, its a pleasure to do so in every action of it, but good news, I have made a bottle without nicotine, and I vape non stop only for the flavour, and I love it! Since I started to vape, I have reduced sweets as well, incredible as I used to eat lots of chocolate, not anymore!
This was my motive for vaping the 0% nicotine . I vape my desserts and as a result, eat less candy. In fact I've noticed a reduction in my appetite in general. I'm very happy!
I'm 27 and have never smoked. I don't drink or use any psychoactives save for nicotine and cannabis. Those two, used carefully, allowed me to get off nearly 20 years of antidepressant and anxiety meds which each has a laundry list of horrible side effects and dependence issues. I lost 130lb switching to self medication, I'm no longer prediabetic, my lungs are in fantastic shape, blood pressure perfect, resting heart rate in the 40s, no problems running or hiking. The socially acceptable medicines were literally killing me. I take a day off a week and don't have the withdrawals my dad has on cigs. My grandpa quit a 60 year smoking habit cold turkey after it gave him a heart attack, and still craves them every single day more than 15 years later. The beautiful thing about vapes is the difficulty in effectively banning them. The mods just regulate the power going to the coil, the coils can be assembled with commonly available parts, the juice is mostly kitchen supplies and banning liquid nicotine would work about as well as banning THC-buy it cheap from your local black market representative. Out of more than a dozen doctors who've asked if I smoke or drink, all were unconcerned with the two chemicals and a few outright encouraged the cannabis use (spinal stenosis w/ arthritis). The resentful, ban-happy turds need to refocus on some other pet peeve. An inconsequential health risk vs. caging hundreds of thousands of people. Pathetic.
To be fair, cannabis can be harmful as well, speaking from personal experience, as I smoked every day almost for over 10 years. I got really bad anxiety and paranoia from it. But I think it's mostly relevant for people who already have anxiety issues. But we are all different, if it works for you then great. At least Cannabis is not that hard to quit (by that I mean when you decide to do it, it took me 10 years to make the decision, as I was afraid to live without cannabis) compared to cigarettes. When addicted to Cannabis it's almost completey psychological. I've tried quitting cigarettes many times, never worked. Just got my vape. And I've been smoking 2-3 cigarettes a day since. Really glad I made the decision to get a vape
It's harder to stop now then it was when ecigs first came out. I smoked as a teenager. My aunty got me an Ecig and I used 32mg nicotine and found it easy to stop. I started again after accepting one at work. I got another Ecig, the EU banned stronger nicotine. I could only get 18mg and found it really hard to stop. I only stopped after I managed to get a 75w mod which can provide more nicotine from each puff, closer to the dose I used to get from 32mg in a small vape pen.
I was a smoker for 27 years (around 20 cigs/day), I knew almost from day 1, smoke was bad for my health, so, I promise to my self I will quit smoke when I reach 40 years old, I reached, but I dind't, can't quite, like almost all smokers, you cant quit, even when I'm never ever did smoke in work, it wasn't a problem to me to stay 8 or 9 hours without smoke, I almost never has with me my tobacco while working, this make me think all this years, that for me, quit from tobacco could be "easy". You can't quit because you go to a bar, or whatever with your friends, family etc, and there will be always someone smoking, and is near to impossible quit from tobacco if you smell and see someone smoking close to you, BUT, 5 months ago, I tried vaping, and I'm 100% SURE, I never go back to tobacco (at the end I did quit, 3 years later, but its not far from my original plan), and if someone is there smoking close to me, I dont care, I just take some inhales from my ecig and that's all (well, now I need to make some room betwen smokers and me, because the smell of tobacco is disgusting to me), If you are a old and/or heavy smoker, please, try ecigs, do your self a favor, I tell you from my heart, is not easy, and will take some days, DAYS (not months or weeks) to you to get used to, I did, and I'm not a special one in all, even when I did with one device not recommended for beginners, supposed to take more time to get used to, at second day, I already knew that tobacco was dead to me, today, just 5 months after, I take ejuice with 1mg nicotine the half of the time, because I already vape nicotine free ejuice, and when my last reserves of nicotine ejuice are done, I'm not interested in nicotine anymore, just the pleasure of vaping my ejuice is all I want/need, nicotine speech is OK, but never forget that the point is to quit nicotine too, not only tobacco, and for me, it was easy, just cuting down every month a bit the nicotine percent, I promise to you all smokers, it wasn't unpleasure for me, IT WAS THE OPPOSITE, vaping its a pleasure to me, how tobacco never was, and never cant be, is not risk free, I know, but man, if someone like WHO or AECC tell you that vaping is 95% more secure... I mean, there is nothing to argue. Don't jump into ecigs right away, do your research first, and try whatever device is one of the more recommended for beginners, then you are gonna discover by yourself what device/ejuice is your ideal.
simple answer is there are certain companies with vested interests in both tobacco sales and smoking cessation product sales. With increasing numbers of people turning to vaping with mods and tanks, far fewer non smokers are starting smoking... there are fewer new smokers because they are going straight to vape. Many smokers are using mods and tanks to quit tobacco. Also smokers are now far less likely to use cessation products available on the NHS, such as patches, gum and w/e else is available... this is hurting the pharmaceutical companies. The war on vaping with moves to both regulate various aspects of it and provide vaping on the NHS simply boils down to monopolisation of a market which has emerged and broken free.
after viewing how it ends, i give them all credit for making their stance being sitting inches apart, could have been arguments and such and they all held their own so cheers to them. good day y'all
All I know so far is the first speaker was a mouthpiece, no need to do any true research. It takes significantly less money to vape than smoke cigarettes.
I wish I would have seen this years ago when it came out. I enjoyed the arguments produced and particularly enjoyed where Lorien Jollye came from. Instead of coming at it from some kind of know it all of her field. She came at it from a much more natural position. To me, she made many more compelling arguments. As to the guy who said a lot of vapers weren't coming from a background of smoking cigarettes. I don't really see that as needing to matter. Those people could have easily started with cigs also, at least they started and are most likely sticking with the least harmful choice of the two. That being said I know a lot of vapers personally who didn't smoke before but also use 0 nic juices. So people who enjoy the hobby itself can still do it with minimal harm.
Nicotine replacement products are useless for 96 out of 100 people - including myself. Why? Because it's the habit and NOT the nicotine that makes it so hard to quit smoking. I wish that those in charge would finally realize the facts. Tobacco kills. Vaping doesn't. Being able to keep the habit and to substitute the smoke with steam (vape) is the key. It's essential for the success. And the lack of it us the reason why Nicorette fails.
Did he say Vaping is expensive? Maybe if you are the "Hobbyist Vapor" but, i was spending $300 per month for my cigarette habit (California name brands $8 - $10 per pack). Now, i quit a 20 year habit thanks to VAPING! I buy 2 bottles of E-Liquid per month at $16 - $20 per month! Its a no-brainer! When you switch, that will be the most expensive month: The most I put out to buy my first 2 vapes (to ensure during battery charging, i always had one to keep me from having a cigarette) the cost was $175 plus 2 liquids less than $200! I was still ahead $100! So even the switch cost me less than my cigarette habit! The key to stop smoking is "When you want a smoke, draw on that vape 3 or 4 good enhales to get your nicotine and the urge is gone." I went from 6mg nicotine to 3mg nicotine in 3 months. I hope to go to zero and then who knows, maybe I'll stop vaping? But what "pharmaceutical nicotine replacement" did not do for me? They didnt substitute the "habit of ritual". _Smokers smoke for stress, but also with morning coffee, after a meal, and to socialize with their smoking friends and at the Pub._ Sorry if non-smokers cant understand these "hard wire rituals"; it is what it is. The benefit too? My sister and i smoked together. Shes been smoking for 50 years. She watched me quit and finally asked to try my vape. She took a few draws and liked the taste! So i bought her one for her birthday, got it charged and primed with Caramel Vanilla. She now has reduced her smoking significantly! Shes cut from 2 packs a day to 6 cigarettes! Stop the attack on vaping. The problem is always: *_Teens make poor decisions. Black Marketers always capitalise on profitable markets._* The vaping industry in America are required to let the FDA monitor their LIQUID manufacture. Stores and Websites are supposed to have AGE RESTRICTIONS. *_And PARENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO EDUCATE THEIR CHILDREN! But they can't educate if they refuse to educate themselves - and, our POLITICIANS FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY TOO!_*
The state wants to get involved into Vaping simply because of greed. Greed for money like it always does, nanny states need to leave people alone and alow people to do what they want to do, when they want, how they want.
kev k Amen, me neither. Can u imagine going to jail for vaping? The government would have a hell of a time supporting all of us, impossible! Way too much money spent on housing and feeding all us ‘criminals’.
kev k That’s probably why marijuana was legalized, trying to house and support non-violent criminals is impossible! They need all the space they can get for the REAL criminals, and it’s still not enough!
I was a 45+ a day smoker and had tried everything that you can get at a chemist. I tried 5 times to stop and found that when I started again I found I smoked more.... Then I went into a vape shop, fortunately for me it was a professional store with people who knew what to do. That was seven years ago and I haven't touched a cigarette since. It made a massive difference to my health. Sadly the government's of many countries that are in the pockets of the tobacco industry.... That's all of them by the way, are desperately trying to tax the hell out of vaping products or make them illegal. They don't get any tax from vape devices so its days are numbered. Unless we ALL stand up against this and stop allowing the government to steamroller over us the industry is doomed and so are the people who want to get of the cancer sticks. I think they often forget that they work for US ! We pay their wages so who the hell are they to tell us how to run our lives ? Never mind police state its starting to become police world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been smoking from 12 to 43 yep 31 yrs minus 3yrs where I had stopped due to a car accident and going on a health kick. Eventualy started again at 20 to 30 smokes per day. Picked up a cape in the hope of reducing and did immediately to 2 smokes a day for 3 days. The next morning I went to have smoke and was disgusted by it and threw it out. Did not touch another for 3 weeks. Had 1 smoke with friends at a bar over a drink. Yep had it but did not like it straight back on the vape. 3months later I went to work and forgot my juice at home. I had 3 cigs left in the pack from when I had stopped and was on my own not able to leave and get some more juice so through the day I had them the minute I could I was back on vape and did not need or want a cig. Simular thing happened 1 more time where I had 2 cigs but back on the vape asap. That's just my experience and if the vape is there then I don't want a smoke at all. Just saying coz I'm sure others out there may have had simular situations. Also really bugs me when you can't vape where you can't smoke
Same for me I smoked for 45 years and only been vaping 3 weeks. The end of the first week I stopped buying smokes and when a bloke at work gives me a smoke I have smoked it but it now tastes so bad to me. My mind needs the nicotine not the smoke and the vape tastes way better. So very easy to give up the smokes and receive my treat of nicotine that any ban on them is ludicrous
Have been smoking for 35 yrs. tried to quit failed all products on FDA approved products. diagnosed with throat cancer in 2009. Started back with cigarettes until I found e-cigs. have been vaping for 9 yrs. now. Flavors are the main reason. Who wants a burning tobacco when you have flavors? Answers No One!!
But you are not our parents and we don't need someone trying to parent us .we are adults and have a right to choose .if you start down that road your giving our government free reign at telling us what to do and how to do it .and then we are not free any more we are slaves
vaping has given me the will power to say no to cigarettes being offered and Weed aswell all whilst be around friends that do both. I've been smoking both since I was 14 im now 26 and ready for the battle of refusing both my lungs feel so much better no more getting out of breath climbing up my stairs. My energy levels have increased dramatically all whilst taking my health seriously if I fancy a cig which I don't ill just go gym
I think they should be promoted as a harm reduction tool too as well, but how are they so bad? people need vices, this will be part of the human condition for perhaps forever!
I smoked for many years. I switched to vaping. If I couldn't get my vape supply's I would go go back to smoking and have worse health. I have tried many ways of stopping smoking. however vaping is the only thing that worked.
joe hathaway, for me vaping was the only thing that worked. I tried every nicotin replacement care. They are waste of money. And by the way, how many tobacco shareholders benefit of Nicorette and Nicotinell?
I can only talk about myself, im 65 years old, and I started smoking when i was 13 years old, I remember back then i could buy a single cigarette from the Newsagent, next to the school, my daughter has been telling me for years to stop smoking, finally i tried the vape, and now it has been over 6 weeks with out cigarettes, and i don't use nicotine in the vape, it's not the nicotine you have to fight away, but it's the habit, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT THE HABIT, NOT THE NICOTINE, trust me
The simple question for politicians is - If you are banning a known safer alternative, then why are you allowing a known massive killer (with years of medical evidence) to continue to be sold? I have been vaping for 6 years and not smoked a tar filled carcinogen since.
Eliquids do not have to contain nicotine. I gave up smoking 2 years ago and over time reduced the nicotine ratio to virtually zero. The cost mentioned is drastically reduced by making my own eliquid.
To be honest even for a not smoker vaping can help in alot of ways. As example in my family there are a ton of diabetics. Pepole have now the chance to get sweets without the risk of sugar, what is actual a big health problem in the world. And those things are to 100% for kids. Then for nicotine, you dont need it for vaping and then its a big difference if you take it to you with a cig or with a vape. If you take it with a vape your body will get rid of your nicotine addiction. Then its no posion in the amounts you take it to you with a vape. Then its at the same lvl with coffein in therms of addiction if you take it to you with a vape.
Me and most of my friends switched from smoking to vaping. You want evidence that vapers will go back to smoking? Ask the vapers what do they to when their device breaks...it's that easy. There are no studies regarding this matter because it's common sense.
I have had some of my devices break, and i did not go back to smoking, the thing with the vaping community is that we help each other.That could mean lending a device or ejuice or a battery to help this vaping community stay off cigs. Vaping is not a trend its a life style.
I go without for a couple days. I am advanced enough to be able to use a mechanical mod, so I have back ups, but in a pinch.. you could soak a bit of cotton in juice and heat it on a spoon. Switching back to tobacco is totally vulgar. It tastes worse after quitting than it did when you first started smoking. (mainly because you are used to full inhales, not little trial puffs) Oh, and here in Canada, apparently, they will give smokers a kind of ecig to give them their nic fix. Not to sure how those work, but i heard a nurse talking to a patient in another room about it.
I have plenty of backup mods also, so if one breaks I can switch to another one until the broken one is replaced. Even if they all broke, there are plenty of shops that sell cheap ego & ce4 kits for under £5 to keep me going until better mods are bought. There is always a way to ensure you keep vaping.
Smoked for 40 years, got an el cheapo vape with 2 ml tank and some juice to give vaping a go. 24 hours after starting I tried a ciggie and put it out after 2 drags. It tasted like horse shite. Next day got a decent mod and tank - 5.5 ml and have not thought about having a smoke since. Can't even tolerate the smell of them. I had early signs of COPD from smoking and even this has disappeared. All in the space of 7 weeks and only running the vape at 100c and 8 watt - no need for high heat, now mixing my 12mg juice with 0 nic flavours. From my research I have discovered that It is not the nicotine in tobacco that is addictive - O.K it is about as addictive as a hot cuppa joe, it is all the other crap they mix in, plus the byproduct of the combustion process - tar, with its myriad of compounds and chemicals that is highly addictive and deadly. They say that vaping is just as bad for you. I would rather the 4 POSSIBLE* poisons than the hundreds of poisons in one cigarette. I will continue to vape and risk my life, just like I do when i jump in the car to duck to the shops. Even living is toxic - it will eventually kill us all. * This is also debatable as the "official" testing was done at such extreme levels that it would be impossible to vape. The temperatures used were that extreme the metal in the coils started to release toxins because they were breaking down.
What the Hell!? Since when can anyone deiced what is enjoyable to OTHERS? I enjoy enclosing myself in a room and screaming out my loungs to a very rough instrumental background. To a person enjoying classical music this might be torture. I also enjoy to go to a gym 3 times a week and purposefully hurt my muscles on a microscopic level by specific exercises I repeat meticulously in each session. Again this might be torture to other persons. The point of the libertarian society is that I can mind my own business as long as I don't hurt others.
i vape and love it compared to cigarette's and would never go back, one way or another i would still get my vape items to keep vaping since i was hooked on smoking since i was 13. if people are so concerned about people's health then just stop cigarette companies if you want to stop vape shops. and it comes down to seems like it is juul that is the problem.
There are enough people that have gotten off cigarettes that have noticed how much better they feel that they most likely will not go back to them..so the tobacco Industry will continue to lose money.
HEY! NO one seems to know or remember that the first smokeless cigarette was created in the 1970s! It looked like a cigarette but one did not light it; one just sucked on it to consume the nicotine that was held inside. It did not 'catch' on. Makes you think that smokers night also want others to see and inhale their expired/used cigarette smoke?
All about the money the government's are losing from Big Tobacco and Big Pharma. It's sad that something that is PROVEN to be 97% healthier than smoking traditional cigarettes is being scrutinized so badly. My father died a terrible and drawn out death from COPD all from year's of smoking his Winstons. I myself smoked for about 20yrs, and made the switch to vaping 3 yrs ago now. I've never felt better and know first hand the amazing benefits of vaping. C'mon everyone, please get on board
Bustedknuckles47 bustedknuckles47 Really! We have to come together and start a revolution. I have no idea how to go about doing that, but I’d definitely be part of it if possible. 45 year smoker, started vaping about three months ago, maybe have one cig a month. Geez they’re NASTY!!! When a craving hits, I hit my vape...
Hmmm, the society will never accept anyone, to judgemental, smoker, happy drinker, vaper or not all human kind has vices, but many believe are better than others. I have a bottle of Campary which lasts me 2 years, and yet I do not judge anyone who is drinking every evening a glass or 2. Is just not my problem!
Smoking is 80% psychological; all research shows this. Smoking is smoking, the fear of not smoking pushes people to vape. Just quit, trust in the fact brain receptors will die, walk through it for 90 days and be done with it. Quit failing, quit making excuses, be done with it. Walk through it day-by-day and you will wind-up free as a bird from cigarettes.
I dont smoke anything. But the first guy is like Trotsky. Using his opnion or the states line to preach to everyone how he knows best. If it is legal to sell then why worry what he thinks of them. I don't buy Barbies but I wouldn't nudge little girls and say, oi that dolls rubbish, you'd be better off without it. Numbskulls that love thier own importance.
the problem is the TPD is already in affect they only want us to stop vaping because they are losing tax money on cigarettes but if every body in the uk was to stop smoking the economy would die the most part of the country smokes its fact the reason the price of tobacca products rises is because less money is being spent as smokers become ecig smokers and thats why we are losing our right to vape that and the fact that some shops are serving under 18s so now kids are become vapers
Anybody that supports the banning of vaping or e-cigarettes should logically support the banning of tobacco cigarettes and alcohol. Ask yourself, what are the side effects of tobacco smoking and drinking alcohol ? Both of those we have a hundred years of data on.
"I like to do what I like..." Sheese! Selfish much? I know that I am not the only one who doesn't want to be forced to breathe in cigarette/cigar/e-cigarette smoke/vapor. It is really an assault. f you can't smoke without affecting others then leave and find an appropriate place to smoke!
2) Indeed the idea to be completely smoke free is unrealistic, it can be achievable perhaps in 100 years from now on, but in truth there is no way as cigarettes are produced, and sold. To much talk as usual, and nothing really done about it as usual. If you really want to stop smokers, the cigarettes should not be produced at all, but MONEY talks, and there is nothing more convincing than MONEY!
This debate is even more relevant in 2019. There are two distinct facts surrounding it (even if the latter wasn't fully acknowledged when this discussion took place): (1) vaping is a valid harm reduction technique that allows people to quit smoking who could not previously do so; and (2) vaping is attractive to underage users and is becoming more attractive all the time. But the fact remains that just because #1 is an extraordinary opportunity and #2 an extraordinary problem in no way means that one should cancel the other out. Quite the contrary, in fact.
Is It not the juice that's put in the e cig,not the ecig it's self.?????,and why do they put nicotine warnings on a new ecigs ,when there is none, it's the juice that's put in that contains it.
John Rhodes Really! Tea and chocolate? Have nicotine? I drink lotsa tea, diff. Kinds black, green and herbals, found out I’m extremely allergic to dandelion, it’s related to the ragweed plant, no wonder! That stuff literally took my breath away, couldn’t breathe. Just FYI.
3) I am a smoker for the last 34 years, and yes I hate the cigarettes producers, reason? Simple, they've added addictive ingredients which I did not know about for years, it was not enough to accept people buying their product for pleasure, but to make them addicted to the ingredients they use its a shame, and I am against it...
Took me 8 years, countless attempts to stop smoking with every aid that is available with no results, but when finally I bought the famous e-cigarette I am successful, and I managed to reduce down from 30 a day to 4-5 a day in only 2 month. I call that success!
When you say "30 a day" what do you mean? Nicotine amount?
Rick Batz
I think it’s about 10 to 20 mg per cig, depending...
Sugar is one ingredient in cigs, that goes unnoticed. I believe I read it is in a greater amount than nicotine
Vaporken _23
Is this a fact? Cuz they sure don’t taste sweet at all! On the other hand, sugar IS an addictive substance, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they added it to the mix of God knows what all...
@@jak7312 www.omicsonline.org/open-access/simple-determination-of-sugars-in-cigarettes-2155-9872.1000219.php?aid=33331
I am a smoker of 45 years and now I am not a smoker but a vaper. I had no intention of giving up the smokes but something happened that made me find a way to not go crazy. I drive a truck and my company bought us new trucks and ordered us to not smoke in them. I am a nicotine addict and it keeps me calm and happy when I drive so now what? Can't just throw my job in as need money like anyone else. Picked up a vape with nicotine 3 weeks ago with the idea to use it at work and smoke cigs at home after work. By the end of only one week I decided to not buy smokes as my fix from the ecig has worked so I keep my $87 the Australian government was extorting from me every week. Greatest gift ever invented for a smoker. My ecig tastes better and my addiction is fed and no stress at all. Amazing that anyone would wan't to not give me the choice to a better future. Backwards Australia makes me import my nicotine juice from overseas as it's illegal to sell in a shop here. We are so far behind the UK it is not funny. Australia is the biggest nanny state gov in the world
Try 0 nic. Switching 0 nic liquid with nic liquid helps alot. Best suggestion is having 3-4 bottle of 0 nic with your favorite flavor
@@yoshidasaki17703 I have no desire to stop my intake of nicotine. I like the calming effects it brings me. Nothing less than 24mg in my juice & guaranteed to get the monkey off my back. I will never go back to smoking cigs to get my fix so vaping is a life saver
@@WadjilaCherokeeX I'm ex factory worker, also used to work at food industry. I smoke A LOT. 0 nic really help me cut down my puffs with vapor (used to puff 400-500 times a day on my 1st year switch)
Nowadays 130-150 is my biggest number. And I love telling that story, it's my big achievement that I really work hard to get it xD
@@yoshidasaki17703 I am so happy you have managed to break free as yes it is a great achievement. I on the other hand love being able to get my fix without all the bad effects of tar etc from smoking cigs. That gives me what my body and mind desires in a much safer way. Needs to be made legal to any adult. Once again congrats to you on your journey
Would the kids who are starting to vape, be starting to smoke cigs otherwise? If so, then they are better off too. Leave Vaping alone! It is much safer than smoking. Period.
they actually want you to Vape , if you looked at propaganda and made a conclusion that they are against Vaping trust me you got it wrong , there is no bad propaganda just propaganda and effects of it we can see in schools , Governments and whoever rules above us want us to Vape, i recently dropped cigs and started Vape but im getting the feeling this is made for those that never wanted to smoke , so its like oh well at least Vape , Vape will get more dangerous in future , more dangerous then Cigs , how i dont know but it will
@@dedskin1 I highly doubt ecigs will get more dangerous. They will find risks (like chemicals in particular flavours) and regulate to prevent them from being a risk
@@micheals1992 Well , at least potentially if nothing
@@dedskin1 i think the moral or the conclusion is that, BOTH of these are bad, but which one is worse? lol. It doesn't matter which is worse, its all inhaling something in and i highly doubt that it is MEANT for the body, just coming from a humanistic/humanity's approach,, just personally don't feel like we need that. We can say that its a safer alternative sure, but its both bad anyway.
I havent heard anything about secondhand vape but there's plenty of knowledge about secondhand smoke! Leave the vapes alone.
LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT. 1ST, THEY ARE NOT CIGARETTES, IT'S A JUICE, 2ND, IT'S NOT SMOKE, IT'S A VAPOR.
2ml tanks , 10ml bottles of e juice etc etc etc when are they going to sell alcohol in 30ml bottles (one shot that you cant spill !!! ) and cigarettes sold in packs of 5 that are child proof ??? what a stupid set of rules it all makes no sense to me at all . I had 2 heart attacks 7 weeks ago and i have stopped smoking because i vape now
Exactly - it's because there's no justification for a tax on vape.
MART it makes sense if you See it is a direct aide to the smoking industry. Smoking industry would Love to keep people smoking or at least using one of their ineffective methods of stopping like the drugs that change people’s personality or the gum that truly makes you sick.
Vaping works and that scares them. They have scrambled doing their best to keep vaping out of the hands of smokers.
MART just curious...are you still alive man? 2 strokes dangg
It's all about money markets and revenue, the power of the market and control, it has nothing to do with health.
You can buy replacement glass tubes to get a higher capacity tank. Tbh these regulations have probably increased revenue for vape retailers as they can sell you more products to get around them. Plus it's harder to stop smoking now using a cheaper, less powerful device using 18mg nicotine instead of 32mg like I used to stop smoking with a cheap ego pen so you can't really get an effective alternative cheaply anymore. Now you need a more expensive, powerful Ecig to be able to get a decent nicotine dose.
What an amazing debate!..Here in Ontario Canada we are still having to fight the Bill for Vaping.Yes its is legal but the they want to ban it .I quit 2 years ago and started vaping to stop.I feel so much better and i can breath more,Walk more.It has changed my whole life,no more smelly home,clothes,hair.
I was a heavy smoker for 50 years. I bought a vape one month ago and the transition was very easy, with no adverse effects at all.
Good job bro
When you smoke, we smoke. When I vape, I vape. The smoke from cigarettes affects the non smoker from passive smoking(inhaling) stinks up the clothes, turns white furniture grey. Vaping is better for everyone whether they vape or not. Put people's health and happiness above the almighty dollar!
Ive been in rooms stuffy with vape, it's disgusting. Prob worse for you than cigarettes, as the vape has smaller, finer particulate and gets more deeply imbedded in lung tissues.
@@tristan9812 There are concerns about certain flavourings and the potential for heavy metal traces from coils in vapour and the longterm health effects as a result of their accumulation in people's lungs. Even so there is no comparison to smoke from cigarettes. Air filled with vaping vapour is in no doubt far safer than air filled with cigarette smoke. Propylene glycol is used in many fog machines, if vaping should be banned then so should stage fog at concerts, theatres and events
Excellent discussion and debate among the panel members and audience alike. I wish we were having more of this type of forum and discussion across the pond here in the U.S..
All adults should have freedom of choice
They talk about vaping being a gateway to smoking. I personally do not know anyone who went from vaping to smoking.
lets get 1 thing perfectly clear, it is NOT a war on e cigarettes nor is it a war on vaping... it is a war on competition!
At 3:18 the guy representing "the nanny state" says "if you've got a war, you've got to agree what the battle lines are..." and he goes on to think it's about health and statistics waffling an awful lot and having no clue where the battle lines are... I tell you the battle lines are between the big multinational corporations, with billions of pounds at their disposal to lobby for laws in their favour, and the small business owners, smokers, ex smokers and vapers, who have collectively raised the vaping industry from being nothing to being the fastest growing industry today... and it's been done completely independent of these large corporations and without government. You make a monopoly by regulating.
That bloke was a complete melt. I bet he jacks himself up with roids on the daily.... the fucking hypocrite.
POUNDS??? what about american dollars??
I think they need to back away from ecigarettes. I am a lot healthier since I quit smoking and started vaping.
Writing now in 2019 one thing particularly worries me. I recently relapsed after a 46 day cold turkey cigarette quit. Although I bought a packet of cigarettes and smoked them I was determined not to go back to smoking tobacco full time. I am 58, had been smoking since I was 15, and had quit following a frighteningly bad bronchial chest infection. So I went to a local vape shop and bought the necessary equipment. I have been very impressed and the product has given me hope. But the thing that worries me is the prospect that government legislation will eventually make it as financially punitive to the consumer as tobacco had become. I had begun to find that crippling. Which was another important incentive for my original quit, aside from health.
peterc
Yeah, I get that, worried about it also. I’m gonna try and get as much juice as I can afford, all diff. flavors, perhaps a couple more pod systems, those tanks are a little scary to me, just not experienced enuf yet. Yes, going to stock up. Couple months ago, started at 50mg, next juice 35, next 25, just today started with12mg. Going to keep going down, was told you don’t have to use nic salts with pods, they only go down to 25. Last nite put the free base in both my pods, so far, so GOOD!
Getting rid of Nicotine? How about trying to get rid of caffeine in your coffees?
nicotine does not kill you just to be fair but TAR in cigs that is the one that kills you
dont forget the 100's of chems
answer=big pharma, big tobacco, and big government's even bigger cig taxes.
Just about every flavor of E Juice is available in 0 nicotine. Those who are involved in Cloud competitions us pure Vegetable Glycerin which is only available in 0 nicotine. Therefore, there is not a 100% chance of becoming addicted to nicotine. This is something I feel should be taken into account.
Yeah, you speak only but the truth.
Cloud chasing with 0%nicotine is as harmful as blowing bubbles but a lot more fun and tasty!
This fact undermines their narrative, which is why it is intentionally not mentioned. Any information that contradicts their agenda is suppressed or minimized, as happens with all propaganda.
The entire smear campaign demonstrates how mainstream news and their sources engineer public opinion with coordinated persistent disinformation across multiple countries simultaneously (US, UK, India, Australia, NZ, Indonesia, etc). Their agenda becomes the 'solution' to a 'problem' that they themselves have manufactured.
they talk about banning e cigs all together yet earlier in the video they mention that vaping is significantly safer then smoking cigarettes. i dont see how banning something that is safer then the other option. so it seems that all these people trying to ban e cigs would rather the public to be unhealthy. Also from my own personal experiance i started vaping even though i didnt smoke cigarettes and in no way is it a gate way to cigarettes... cigarettes taste terrible but when it comes to my vape witch has 0% nicotine it tastes really good. another good point that should be mentioned is that the nicotine in ecig juice is synthesized meaning it does not come from tobacco.
There is a clip on here of pulminologist with arguably the most experience on the topic talking about a study he did where he studied the impact of vaping on a bunch of individuals. All the individuals participating in the study (over a number of years) maintained their health status despite having vaped frequently for years. This well known, first class pulminologist stated it was safe- case closed. He went on to say that there may be findings in another 20 or so years but it would likely effect 2-3% of vapers. That's 2 in every 100 people as opposed to 75 of every 100 smokers.
I'll take vaping thanks.
Smoking kills but .......keep it up, don’t vape , we Want you to smoke, we have grown Hugh because of all the smokers we were able to garner.......smoking kills not only the smoker but those exposed to excessive amounts of smoke.
97 percent less harmful than smoking
Applause, Applause! Very well put together panel, discussion and topic. Every panelist waited their turn, no real garbage was thrown and the audience had an opportunity to interact. I can watch this type of 'debate' all day long. I'm a vaper trying to quit smoking and I am continually seeking data to validate or dis-prove the crappy media stories that are knocking the action of vaping while almost validating the act of smoking. The stories I call crappy include one side of the facts which leads an under educated person to believe what is written - which is not factual data but some writers opinion. This panel, although somewhat siding with vaping, was able to clearly make points based on facts, plead for more research and use the valid research that's already been done. Nice job!
Smokin Vaper
I smoked for about 45 yrs. Wish I’d discovered vaping when it started...don’t smoke anymore. Love the flavors and that I don’t smell like a filthy ash tray...
Just a comment about smokers returning to cig's, having smoked 20-40 a day for 40 years, I've left cig's completely behind in less than a year. I've smoked one here and there but have come to realize that cig's are a complete waste of time and money. Vaping only uses the e-liquid when I vape, where a cig burns up.
As the lady said, I enjoyed smoking. The act of it, as well as the feeling. I get the same thing from vaping. It's relaxing, helps me to focus, and the cost of it when compared to smoking, it's a heck of a lot cheaper.
I can also say that I have seen an improvement in my health as well.
1) All this people who try to ban vaping, or taxing it further, should be left jobless! It looks like they do not have anything better to do, so they are paid for nothing exactly like politicians, look at the house of commons, they argue non stop, and hardly a good law is passed to the citizen of any country, only restrictions, more taxing, and more poverty!
In fact I wish I could give them a salary of £1200 a month (and thats huge amount) and let them to manage 3 months in a council house, as to experience life properly!
I wish the US would follow the UK’s policies.
No, no, no...Ok if people are going to talk about nicotine, wouldn't it be nice if they at least researched a little bit the subject. Nicotine is a stimulant much like caffeine. It its natural form it is not addictive (otherwise people who vape could not reduce the level of nicotine as they vape.) In its deprotonated or "free base" form (which is what the tobacco companies did to make it more addictive) nicotine is very addictive and has the withdrawal side effects such as irritability, etc.
The longer people vape, and as they reduce the level of nicotine in their liquids, they will notice that their desire for a "fix" is lower, to the point that there comes a time when people do not notice they need the dosage of nicotine.
This is the problem I have with this kind of fora, they have people who are not experienced, who do not vape, and who have no science training, therefore assumptions that are untrue keep getting perpetrated and passed along.
I quit watching the video at this point, clearly the information is inaccurate and I have no desire to watch more of the same.
You are exactly correct, Sir!
Do not forget how much cigarette buts end up in the garbage each day...
Im watching this video exactly four years after it was published. The e-cig/vaping debates which were occurring in the UK back in 2015 are now happening in the US and Canada in 2019.
The lady in the panel, you are right about smoking, vaping, its a pleasure to do so in every action of it, but good news, I have made a bottle without nicotine, and I vape non stop only for the flavour, and I love it! Since I started to vape, I have reduced sweets as well, incredible as I used to eat lots of chocolate, not anymore!
Roxana Brivent-Barnes I like it for the flavor too!!
This was my motive for vaping the 0% nicotine . I vape my desserts and as a result, eat less candy. In fact I've noticed a reduction in my appetite in general. I'm very happy!
Me too, don't even buy sweets anymore.
Doctors Used to suggest taking up smoking.
I'm 27 and have never smoked. I don't drink or use any psychoactives save for nicotine and cannabis. Those two, used carefully, allowed me to get off nearly 20 years of antidepressant and anxiety meds which each has a laundry list of horrible side effects and dependence issues. I lost 130lb switching to self medication, I'm no longer prediabetic, my lungs are in fantastic shape, blood pressure perfect, resting heart rate in the 40s, no problems running or hiking. The socially acceptable medicines were literally killing me. I take a day off a week and don't have the withdrawals my dad has on cigs. My grandpa quit a 60 year smoking habit cold turkey after it gave him a heart attack, and still craves them every single day more than 15 years later.
The beautiful thing about vapes is the difficulty in effectively banning them. The mods just regulate the power going to the coil, the coils can be assembled with commonly available parts, the juice is mostly kitchen supplies and banning liquid nicotine would work about as well as banning THC-buy it cheap from your local black market representative. Out of more than a dozen doctors who've asked if I smoke or drink, all were unconcerned with the two chemicals and a few outright encouraged the cannabis use (spinal stenosis w/ arthritis). The resentful, ban-happy turds need to refocus on some other pet peeve. An inconsequential health risk vs. caging hundreds of thousands of people. Pathetic.
To be fair, cannabis can be harmful as well, speaking from personal experience, as I smoked every day almost for over 10 years. I got really bad anxiety and paranoia from it.
But I think it's mostly relevant for people who already have anxiety issues. But we are all different, if it works for you then great.
At least Cannabis is not that hard to quit (by that I mean when you decide to do it, it took me 10 years to make the decision, as I was afraid to live without cannabis) compared to cigarettes. When addicted to Cannabis it's almost completey psychological. I've tried quitting cigarettes many times, never worked. Just got my vape. And I've been smoking 2-3 cigarettes a day since. Really glad I made the decision to get a vape
Ecigs are the future and tobacco is doing the dieing for once.
Karl Wood
Hallelujah!
Who else is vaping while watching this?
Me too
It's harder to stop now then it was when ecigs first came out. I smoked as a teenager. My aunty got me an Ecig and I used 32mg nicotine and found it easy to stop. I started again after accepting one at work. I got another Ecig, the EU banned stronger nicotine. I could only get 18mg and found it really hard to stop. I only stopped after I managed to get a 75w mod which can provide more nicotine from each puff, closer to the dose I used to get from 32mg in a small vape pen.
I was a smoker for 27 years (around 20 cigs/day), I knew almost from day 1, smoke was bad for my health, so, I promise to my self I will quit smoke when I reach 40 years old, I reached, but I dind't, can't quite, like almost all smokers, you cant quit, even when I'm never ever did smoke in work, it wasn't a problem to me to stay 8 or 9 hours without smoke, I almost never has with me my tobacco while working, this make me think all this years, that for me, quit from tobacco could be "easy". You can't quit because you go to a bar, or whatever with your friends, family etc, and there will be always someone smoking, and is near to impossible quit from tobacco if you smell and see someone smoking close to you, BUT, 5 months ago, I tried vaping, and I'm 100% SURE, I never go back to tobacco (at the end I did quit, 3 years later, but its not far from my original plan), and if someone is there smoking close to me, I dont care, I just take some inhales from my ecig and that's all (well, now I need to make some room betwen smokers and me, because the smell of tobacco is disgusting to me), If you are a old and/or heavy smoker, please, try ecigs, do your self a favor, I tell you from my heart, is not easy, and will take some days, DAYS (not months or weeks) to you to get used to, I did, and I'm not a special one in all, even when I did with one device not recommended for beginners, supposed to take more time to get used to, at second day, I already knew that tobacco was dead to me, today, just 5 months after, I take ejuice with 1mg nicotine the half of the time, because I already vape nicotine free ejuice, and when my last reserves of nicotine ejuice are done, I'm not interested in nicotine anymore, just the pleasure of vaping my ejuice is all I want/need, nicotine speech is OK, but never forget that the point is to quit nicotine too, not only tobacco, and for me, it was easy, just cuting down every month a bit the nicotine percent, I promise to you all smokers, it wasn't unpleasure for me, IT WAS THE OPPOSITE, vaping its a pleasure to me, how tobacco never was, and never cant be, is not risk free, I know, but man, if someone like WHO or AECC tell you that vaping is 95% more secure... I mean, there is nothing to argue. Don't jump into ecigs right away, do your research first, and try whatever device is one of the more recommended for beginners, then you are gonna discover by yourself what device/ejuice is your ideal.
simple answer is there are certain companies with vested interests in both tobacco sales and smoking cessation product sales. With increasing numbers of people turning to vaping with mods and tanks, far fewer non smokers are starting smoking... there are fewer new smokers because they are going straight to vape. Many smokers are using mods and tanks to quit tobacco.
Also smokers are now far less likely to use cessation products available on the NHS, such as patches, gum and w/e else is available... this is hurting the pharmaceutical companies. The war on vaping with moves to both regulate various aspects of it and provide vaping on the NHS simply boils down to monopolisation of a market which has emerged and broken free.
CIGGARETTES ARE AWESOME, THEY ALSO HELP WITH POPULATION CONTROL
after viewing how it ends, i give them all credit for making their stance being sitting inches apart, could have been arguments and such and they all held their own so cheers to them. good day y'all
All I know so far is the first speaker was a mouthpiece, no need to do any true research. It takes significantly less money to vape than smoke cigarettes.
I enjoy seeing smoking cessation ads near vaping videos. Always good for a chuckle. Good video, guys. Keep up the good fight. :)
I wish I would have seen this years ago when it came out. I enjoyed the arguments produced and particularly enjoyed where Lorien Jollye came from. Instead of coming at it from some kind of know it all of her field. She came at it from a much more natural position. To me, she made many more compelling arguments. As to the guy who said a lot of vapers weren't coming from a background of smoking cigarettes. I don't really see that as needing to matter. Those people could have easily started with cigs also, at least they started and are most likely sticking with the least harmful choice of the two. That being said I know a lot of vapers personally who didn't smoke before but also use 0 nic juices. So people who enjoy the hobby itself can still do it with minimal harm.
Wow! Powerful stuff from Lorien Jollye. Says it all.
Nicotine replacement products are useless for 96 out of 100 people - including myself. Why? Because it's the habit and NOT the nicotine that makes it so hard to quit smoking. I wish that those in charge would finally realize the facts. Tobacco kills. Vaping doesn't. Being able to keep the habit and to substitute the smoke with steam (vape) is the key. It's essential for the success. And the lack of it us the reason why Nicorette fails.
Did he say Vaping is expensive? Maybe if you are the "Hobbyist Vapor" but, i was spending $300 per month for my cigarette habit (California name brands $8 - $10 per pack).
Now, i quit a 20 year habit thanks to VAPING! I buy 2 bottles of E-Liquid per month at $16 - $20 per month! Its a no-brainer!
When you switch, that will be the most expensive month:
The most I put out to buy my first 2 vapes (to ensure during battery charging, i always had one to keep me from having a cigarette) the cost was $175 plus 2 liquids less than $200! I was still ahead $100!
So even the switch cost me less than my cigarette habit!
The key to stop smoking is "When you want a smoke, draw on that vape 3 or 4 good enhales to get your nicotine and the urge is gone."
I went from 6mg nicotine to 3mg nicotine in 3 months. I hope to go to zero and then who knows, maybe I'll stop vaping?
But what "pharmaceutical nicotine replacement" did not do for me? They didnt substitute the "habit of ritual".
_Smokers smoke for stress, but also with morning coffee, after a meal, and to socialize with their smoking friends and at the Pub._ Sorry if non-smokers cant understand these "hard wire rituals"; it is what it is.
The benefit too? My sister and i smoked together. Shes been smoking for 50 years. She watched me quit and finally asked to try my vape. She took a few draws and liked the taste! So i bought her one for her birthday, got it charged and primed with Caramel Vanilla.
She now has reduced her smoking significantly! Shes cut from 2 packs a day to 6 cigarettes!
Stop the attack on vaping. The problem is always:
*_Teens make poor decisions. Black Marketers always capitalise on profitable markets._*
The vaping industry in America are required to let the FDA monitor their LIQUID manufacture. Stores and Websites are supposed to have AGE RESTRICTIONS.
*_And PARENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO EDUCATE THEIR CHILDREN! But they can't educate if they refuse to educate themselves - and, our POLITICIANS FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY TOO!_*
The state wants to get involved into Vaping simply because of greed. Greed for money like it always does, nanny states need to leave people alone and alow people to do what they want to do, when they want, how they want.
Wrong!! Nicotine Is not necessarily an ingredient in Ecigarettes!!! LIES!!
Go ahead and ban 'em..I have no problem being an outlaw
kev k
Amen, me neither. Can u imagine going to jail for vaping? The government would have a hell of a time supporting all of us, impossible! Way too much money spent on housing and feeding all us ‘criminals’.
kev k
That’s probably why marijuana was legalized, trying to house and support non-violent criminals is impossible! They need all the space they can get for the REAL criminals, and it’s still not enough!
Yous should come back and do an updated video :)
I was a 45+ a day smoker and had tried everything that you can get at a chemist. I tried 5 times to stop and found that when I started again I found I smoked more....
Then I went into a vape shop, fortunately for me it was a professional store with people who knew what to do. That was seven years ago and I haven't touched a cigarette since. It made a massive difference to my health.
Sadly the government's of many countries that are in the pockets of the tobacco industry.... That's all of them by the way, are desperately trying to tax the hell out of vaping products or make them illegal. They don't get any tax from vape devices so its days are numbered.
Unless we ALL stand up against this and stop allowing the government to steamroller over us the industry is doomed and so are the people who want to get of the cancer sticks. I think they often forget that they work for US ! We pay their wages so who the hell are they to tell us how to run our lives ?
Never mind police state its starting to become police world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great debate! Thanks
I have been smoking from 12 to 43 yep 31 yrs minus 3yrs where I had stopped due to a car accident and going on a health kick. Eventualy started again at 20 to 30 smokes per day. Picked up a cape in the hope of reducing and did immediately to 2 smokes a day for 3 days. The next morning I went to have smoke and was disgusted by it and threw it out. Did not touch another for 3 weeks. Had 1 smoke with friends at a bar over a drink. Yep had it but did not like it straight back on the vape. 3months later I went to work and forgot my juice at home. I had 3 cigs left in the pack from when I had stopped and was on my own not able to leave and get some more juice so through the day I had them the minute I could I was back on vape and did not need or want a cig. Simular thing happened 1 more time where I had 2 cigs but back on the vape asap. That's just my experience and if the vape is there then I don't want a smoke at all. Just saying coz I'm sure others out there may have had simular situations. Also really bugs me when you can't vape where you can't smoke
Same for me I smoked for 45 years and only been vaping 3 weeks. The end of the first week I stopped buying smokes and when a bloke at work gives me a smoke I have smoked it but it now tastes so bad to me. My mind needs the nicotine not the smoke and the vape tastes way better. So very easy to give up the smokes and receive my treat of nicotine that any ban on them is ludicrous
Have been smoking for 35 yrs. tried to quit failed all products on FDA approved products. diagnosed with throat cancer in 2009. Started back with cigarettes until I found e-cigs. have been vaping for 9 yrs. now. Flavors are the main reason. Who wants a burning tobacco when you have flavors? Answers No One!!
But you are not our parents and we don't need someone trying to parent us .we are adults and have a right to choose .if you start down that road your giving our government free reign at telling us what to do and how to do it .and then we are not free any more we are slaves
Alan Moore
Amen, Mr. Alan Moore!!! Agree wholeheartedly!
vaping has given me the will power to say no to cigarettes being offered and Weed aswell all whilst be around friends that do both. I've been smoking both since I was 14 im now 26 and ready for the battle of refusing both my lungs feel so much better no more getting out of breath climbing up my stairs. My energy levels have increased dramatically all whilst taking my health seriously if I fancy a cig which I don't ill just go gym
I think they should be promoted as a harm reduction tool too as well, but how are they so bad? people need vices, this will be part of the human condition for perhaps forever!
I smoked for many years. I switched to vaping. If I couldn't get my vape supply's I would go go back to smoking and have worse health. I have tried many ways of stopping smoking. however vaping is the only thing that worked.
joe hathaway, for me vaping was the only thing that worked. I tried every nicotin replacement care. They are waste of money. And by the way, how many tobacco shareholders benefit of Nicorette and Nicotinell?
joe hathaway
Same here.
I can only talk about myself, im 65 years old, and I started smoking when i was 13 years old, I remember back then i could buy a single cigarette from the Newsagent, next to the school, my daughter has been telling me for years to stop smoking, finally i tried the vape, and now it has been over 6 weeks with out cigarettes, and i don't use nicotine in the vape, it's not the nicotine you have to fight away, but it's the habit, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT THE HABIT, NOT THE NICOTINE, trust me
"Alice in Wonderland" is exactly how I described it an hour ago!
The simple question for politicians is - If you are banning a known safer alternative, then why are you allowing a known massive killer (with years of medical evidence) to continue to be sold? I have been vaping for 6 years and not smoked a tar filled carcinogen since.
Eliquids do not have to contain nicotine. I gave up smoking 2 years ago and over time reduced the nicotine ratio to virtually zero.
The cost mentioned is drastically reduced by making my own eliquid.
I am going to comment as I watch this debate.
To be honest even for a not smoker vaping can help in alot of ways. As example in my family there are a ton of diabetics. Pepole have now the chance to get sweets without the risk of sugar, what is actual a big health problem in the world. And those things are to 100% for kids. Then for nicotine, you dont need it for vaping and then its a big difference if you take it to you with a cig or with a vape.
If you take it with a vape your body will get rid of your nicotine addiction. Then its no posion in the amounts you take it to you with a vape. Then its at the same lvl with coffein in therms of addiction if you take it to you with a vape.
Me and most of my friends switched from smoking to vaping. You want evidence that vapers will go back to smoking? Ask the vapers what do they to when their device breaks...it's that easy. There are no studies regarding this matter because it's common sense.
I have had some of my devices break, and i did not go back to smoking, the thing with the vaping community is that we help each other.That could mean lending a device or ejuice or a battery to help this vaping community stay off cigs. Vaping is not a trend its a life style.
I too have had devices break and didn't go back to smoking. I just went out and bought a new tank.
I go without for a couple days. I am advanced enough to be able to use a mechanical mod, so I have back ups, but in a pinch.. you could soak a bit of cotton in juice and heat it on a spoon. Switching back to tobacco is totally vulgar. It tastes worse after quitting than it did when you first started smoking. (mainly because you are used to full inhales, not little trial puffs) Oh, and here in Canada, apparently, they will give smokers a kind of ecig to give them their nic fix. Not to sure how those work, but i heard a nurse talking to a patient in another room about it.
I have plenty of backup mods also, so if one breaks I can switch to another one until the broken one is replaced. Even if they all broke, there are plenty of shops that sell cheap ego & ce4 kits for under £5 to keep me going until better mods are bought. There is always a way to ensure you keep vaping.
Smoked for 40 years, got an el cheapo vape with 2 ml tank and some juice to give vaping a go. 24 hours after starting I tried a ciggie and put it out after 2 drags. It tasted like horse shite. Next day got a decent mod and tank - 5.5 ml and have not thought about having a smoke since. Can't even tolerate the smell of them. I had early signs of COPD from smoking and even this has disappeared. All in the space of 7 weeks and only running the vape at 100c and 8 watt - no need for high heat, now mixing my 12mg juice with 0 nic flavours.
From my research I have discovered that It is not the nicotine in tobacco that is addictive - O.K it is about as addictive as a hot cuppa joe, it is all the other crap they mix in, plus the byproduct of the combustion process - tar, with its myriad of compounds and chemicals that is highly addictive and deadly. They say that vaping is just as bad for you. I would rather the 4 POSSIBLE* poisons than the hundreds of poisons in one cigarette.
I will continue to vape and risk my life, just like I do when i jump in the car to duck to the shops. Even living is toxic - it will eventually kill us all.
* This is also debatable as the "official" testing was done at such extreme levels that it would be impossible to vape. The temperatures used were that extreme the metal in the coils started to release toxins because they were breaking down.
What the Hell!? Since when can anyone deiced what is enjoyable to OTHERS? I enjoy enclosing myself in a room and screaming out my loungs to a very rough instrumental background. To a person enjoying classical music this might be torture. I also enjoy to go to a gym 3 times a week and purposefully hurt my muscles on a microscopic level by specific exercises I repeat meticulously in each session. Again this might be torture to other persons. The point of the libertarian society is that I can mind my own business as long as I don't hurt others.
i vape and love it compared to cigarette's and would never go back, one way or another i would still get my vape items to keep vaping since i was hooked on smoking since i was 13. if people are so concerned about people's health then just stop cigarette companies if you want to stop vape shops. and it comes down to seems like it is juul that is the problem.
@Tara King you are actually very correct, thank you.
There used to a shop in my city called planet of the vapes a few years ago.
let me tell you this.. the gateway effect is NONEXISTANT!! Ecigarettes are NOT THE PROBLEM YOU ARE!!
There are enough people that have gotten off cigarettes that have noticed how much better they feel that they most likely will not go back to them..so the tobacco Industry will continue to lose money.
HEY! NO one seems to know or remember that the first smokeless cigarette was created in the 1970s! It looked like a cigarette but one did not light it; one just sucked on it to consume the nicotine that was held inside. It did not 'catch' on. Makes you think that smokers night also want others to see and inhale their expired/used cigarette smoke?
All about the money the government's are losing from Big Tobacco and Big Pharma. It's sad that something that is PROVEN to be 97% healthier than smoking traditional cigarettes is being scrutinized so badly. My father died a terrible and drawn out death from COPD all from year's of smoking his Winstons. I myself smoked for about 20yrs, and made the switch to vaping 3 yrs ago now. I've never felt better and know first hand the amazing benefits of vaping. C'mon everyone, please get on board
Bustedknuckles47 bustedknuckles47
Really! We have to come together and start a revolution. I have no idea how to go about doing that, but I’d definitely be part of it if possible. 45 year smoker, started vaping about three months ago, maybe have one cig a month. Geez they’re NASTY!!! When a craving hits, I hit my vape...
Hmmm, the society will never accept anyone, to judgemental, smoker, happy drinker, vaper or not all human kind has vices, but many believe are better than others. I have a bottle of Campary which lasts me 2 years, and yet I do not judge anyone who is drinking every evening a glass or 2. Is just not my problem!
what about the tar? even if you remove nicotine from cigarettes....
this second speaker sounds exactly like Jonny Depp
the are 40 million Ecig users in INDIA. why dont we see this over there?
Ray Betancourt The whole thing is just a ruse and maybe even a political tool...
Smoking is 80% psychological; all research shows this. Smoking is smoking, the fear of not smoking pushes people to vape. Just quit, trust in the fact brain receptors will die, walk through it for 90 days and be done with it. Quit failing, quit making excuses, be done with it. Walk through it day-by-day and you will wind-up free as a bird from cigarettes.
I dont smoke anything. But the first guy is like Trotsky. Using his opnion or the states line to preach to everyone how he knows best. If it is legal to sell then why worry what he thinks of them. I don't buy Barbies but I wouldn't nudge little girls and say, oi that dolls rubbish, you'd be better off without it. Numbskulls that love thier own importance.
the problem is the TPD is already in affect they only want us to stop vaping because they are losing tax money on cigarettes but if every body in the uk was to stop smoking the economy would die the most part of the country smokes its fact the reason the price of tobacca products rises is because less money is being spent as smokers become ecig smokers and thats why we are losing our right to vape that and the fact that some shops are serving under 18s so now kids are become vapers
Anybody that supports the banning of vaping or e-cigarettes should logically support the banning of tobacco cigarettes and alcohol. Ask yourself, what are the side effects of tobacco smoking and drinking alcohol ? Both of those we have a hundred years of data on.
This video is very good - shared.
"I like to do what I like..." Sheese! Selfish much? I know that I am not the only one who doesn't want to be forced to breathe in cigarette/cigar/e-cigarette smoke/vapor. It is really an assault. f you can't smoke without affecting others then leave and find an appropriate place to smoke!
Nicotine is addictive in the same way religion is addictive . The young bloke talking about culture is spot on.
2) Indeed the idea to be completely smoke free is unrealistic, it can be achievable perhaps in 100 years from now on, but in truth there is no way as cigarettes are produced, and sold. To much talk as usual, and nothing really done about it as usual. If you really want to stop smokers, the cigarettes should not be produced at all, but MONEY talks, and there is nothing more convincing than MONEY!
The TOBACCO COMPANIES don't want you to VAPE.
Why a world without cigarettes it is unachievable? if vaping would prove to be safe?
With all this controversy you may get find some younger folks taking up vaping. If left alone.....why would they? To a device to get off smoke.
Wow, our youth are ending up with respiratory problems. Where is the deceit
DO your research!! noone would ever seek to do Nicotine recreationally!!
This debate is even more relevant in 2019. There are two distinct facts surrounding it (even if the latter wasn't fully acknowledged when this discussion took place): (1) vaping is a valid harm reduction technique that allows people to quit smoking who could not previously do so; and (2) vaping is attractive to underage users and is becoming more attractive all the time. But the fact remains that just because #1 is an extraordinary opportunity and #2 an extraordinary problem in no way means that one should cancel the other out. Quite the contrary, in fact.
Wait until the health insurance companies get into the vaping, we will have to have a doctors prescription. COST COST COST COST
Powerpickle68 Oh God, NOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Powerpickle68
And just what ‘condition’ would that be treating? You would have to prove that you have that ‘condition’.
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I wonder how chantix changed
her husbands character
SO many LIES so MANY LIES!!! when are people going to tell / accept the TRUTH!
Why do you even Want money? It makes you do terrible things like the cigarette industry has done. Leave money Out of the equation
Is It not the juice that's put in the e cig,not the ecig it's self.?????,and why do they put nicotine warnings on a new ecigs ,when there is none, it's the juice that's put in that contains it.
its time we ban eating tomatoes they also contain nicotine!!
Danny Eden
Eggplants too! Ban on tomatoes and eggplants? Yeah, eat me.
tea n chocolate can go as well
John Rhodes Really! Tea and chocolate? Have nicotine? I drink lotsa tea, diff. Kinds black, green and herbals, found out I’m extremely allergic to dandelion, it’s related to the ragweed plant, no wonder! That stuff literally took my breath away, couldn’t breathe. Just FYI.
I love the smoker at 30 min is spot on apart from the I can build a bonfire in my back yard!!! No you can not lol
stop the war on flavors
Slippery slope. The haters hate.. that's all they do ... is hate. No it's because !... no no no. You hate..
People living longer, hmmm They moan about that too, what it can be done against that?
Best part 22:07 - 28:00