@@CopeYouCun7s Have you had to repair the water pump at any time. The water pumps I've replaced on the 3.5 was 68k and 61k the repair is so expensive. I really believe your water pump is on Is borrowed time.
First thanks to Eric's wife, she is a real one. Second, if you are a car guy or girl, how can you not like this channel, no crap, no long intros, just straight into tearing engines apart, entertaining.
Another reason I'm keeping my Yota 2UZ around as long as possible. No truck outside of a diesel should be running turbos. They are just extra liability.
@@majist0 the ecoboost is pretty proven for reliability… u can find a video of any engine like this NA, or forced induction… my 2010 SHO has 104k HARD miles. I have a Livernois 440HP tune/kit on it since 50k miles and it runs like new. 1.) I only put good synthetic oil in it rated for “20k miles” either Castrol Edge extended or M1 Extended or PP Ultra. with “20k mile oil filters” 2.) I change my oil every 5k miles even with the “20k components” This has kept it running like new for me. The engine can easily go longer on that oil but the turbos are not worth risking. DYI oil change is only $37 with some of the best oil and filter available. It also takes about 15 minutes with oil change ramps. One of the easier oil change engines out there. 3. )I also use a intake valve cleaner spray by CRC every 15k miles which definitely works. Does it clean it entirely.. likely not at all but it reduces carbon build up significantly and with repeated use slowly pecks away at it. It is also very easy to use. Then I also change spark plugs about every 30k miles.
Buddy, "I" thank "you". Your wife is an amazing lady and YOU darn well better thank her very nicely indeed. What I can do is wish you both a happy and safe holiday and all the best for 2022.
Thanks to Eric and the family for the Christmas teardown, may this video hit a million views like the original LS7 teardown that started all of this which was uploaded Christmas day last year. Congrats on the channel growth and Merry Christmas.
I used to tell every customer to get in that habit. Especially those with cars made after about 2011 or so, as the lighter weight fuel economy 0W oils became more fashionable, and cars started to use oil. Turbos, too. And oil change intervals, especially as DI engines soot up the oil, are more crucial as well. As cars become more and more automated, the mechanicals become less and less maintenance free. Hilarious
A part of me was sad at the end of last week's video as I was expecting a pause for 1 or 2 weeks. Thank you Eric's wife, with what I've seen so far I don't know how she puts up with him lol Merry Christmas to you and your family Eric
Found some sparkly oil in my Taurus. Water pump bearings went out. Got lucky, only started leaking when tension was taken off the chain. Flushed oil pan and pick up, new water pump, chain and components, magnetic oil plug and a large magnet on the oil filter. 230k. Still going strong.
Thank you Eric's wife, not only for letting him give us this Christmas present, but also for supporting him making this channel. Good health and good cheer to you and yours!
Have you done anything as far as your maintenance? Like fuel injector cleanings and carbon buildup cleanings, other than just your normal transfer case, transmission fluid, and spark plugs with the general maintenance?
Thank you Mrs, Eric,we appreciate your sacrifice and understanding in this endeavor and hope for your continued support in the future,God bless and merry Christmas.
Props to the Missus for agreeing to the shop time on the holidays! Best to you and all of yours! Also, an X-Acto knife could come in handy for ripped boots like you had on #3 there.
To Eric's wife, thank you. These are the videos that I look forward to beholding a new one at the end of each week, and watching all others during. Without your support, this video would not be possible. So, thank you. And happy holidays to you both
Over 5% fuel dilution on direct injection engine is number one problem for engines to fail or wear out fast. Secret for direct injection to last is to never follow factory recommended intervals for oil change
oil dilution occurs much more on city drived cars, short distances and often cold runnig, but is not a issue for cars who make long distances on highway...But yes oil change need to be reduce by 50%
@@imaakillaa it won't ever say 3k most of them suggest 10k+ which needs to be cut in half is what he's saying. I change the oil in my 16 fiesta st (1.6 ecoboost gdi) with castrol edge full synthetic every 5k even though recommended change interval is 10k which is stupid. The castrol edge is supposed to be good with gdi turbo engines so that's why I use that. BTW my car is fbo with a hybrid turbo swap running on e30 full time making 280 wheel hp which is about 100 more than stock which is over a 50% gain from stock at the wheels.
@@midnight347 I change my oil every 3k miles. Sometimes sooner. Lol. My 99' Tacoma has over 200k miles and still runs like a champ. Just replaced gaskets and when I had the valve covers off, the camshafts looked great along with the heads considering the mileage of the engine. Also, there was no coking deposits of oil. Oil changes are very important and should be a priority always.
I change the oil every 3,000 Mi with full synthetic on my 3.6 L FX GM V-6 and it's got over 200,000 miles and still runs strong. I also avoid the Fatal problem that most people do on these engines and that's by checking the oil level and keeping it full! I would never go more than maybe maybe 4,000 miles on one of these engines on an oil change you're just asking for trouble.
This video reminded me of doing the water pump on my 2009 Flex, a pretty big job for myself. I recall that removing the timing cover was made easier by using the extra empty threaded holes that Ford had put in the cover to allow you to put a bolt into and crank down against the block face and lever the cover off without risk of damage. Glad mine doesn't have a turbo. Sad that such a well maintained engine was so quickly ruined by 3 minutes of ignorance.
There was most likely a large amount of RTV on the timing cover because on the front wheel drive engines it is a very difficult job removing the timing cover with the engine in the vehicle. So most techs put a lot of rtv on the cover because they simply don't want to have to remove the cover again.
The point was more RTV better. A thin bead, then follow the instructions for RTV, which is usually hand tighten, leave it for a while to cure for a bit, then torque down. Having half a tube gush out the sides isn't a sign of success.
Eric, great video as always. Thank you to your dear wife for understanding the need for your fans addictions for engine dismantling needing to be satisfied even on Christmas Eve!! Merry Christmas to you and your family. Big Al.
This car sufferd from the water pump failure and they ride with the water in the oil until it made noise... Then they thought a new water pump and timing chain and and oil change would fix it.. not the case. If you miss the water coming out of the weep hole and wait until the water pump completely fails and it dumps water into the oil it's DONE. It does exactly the damage shown. Anyone with a front wheel drive 3.5 Ecoboost needs to start checking behind the alternator starting at 100k Mikes. Honestly anything after 100k your on borrowed time. So best thing you can do is start buying parts from Ford. AND ONLY USE A FORD WATER PUMP and ford spark plugs. I just did this in my 2012 Lincoln MKT. If you are shade tree mechanic this isn't a Terrible job but it is a long job.. it took me a weekend to complete.
@@RevO-One He means FWD or AWD like the Edge, Flex, Taurus, etc. In these applications, the 3.5/3.7 is turned sideways (East to West) in the engine bay, and there's no room for an external water pump, so in these cases, it's *inside* the timing cover. If the front water pump seal leaks on a Cyclone engine, the coolant goes into the oil and kills the engine. There is a weep hole on the side of the block near the alternator that weeps when the pump starts failing. If the water pump is changed in time, no engine damage will occur. Now, on rear wheel drive applications (including four wheel drive trucks), the engine is put in North to South, and there's room for an external water pump, so the rear wheel drive based vehicles don't have the internal pump leakage.
Great video Eric. I have 2014 Taurus SHO and I love seeing what has gone wrong and what to keep an eye out for. I purchased it used with 34k on it and now have 106k. Knock on wood I haven’t had any major issues.
Thank you Mrs. Eric for allowing him to play. Now, Eric, I'm shocked you didn't know that oil pickup tubes are now dual purpose, they can be used as storage for excess bearing material.
The 3.5s can be great engines IF you are keeping up on Maintaining the engine and not neglecting it which is why a majority of engines fail and people complain about it when it's actually their own fault for it failing in the first place
You have an amazing wife to put up with not only the video timing but also your severe care / BMW addiction. On the other hand it also makes for some great video's and I for one am greatly appreciating them. I hope your holiday was great and the next year does well for you, the family and your business.
Can you imagine what that engine sounded like with all of those spun rod bearings? We're talking serious sounds of warfare going on inside of that engine....
I can't believe people are commenting on how much fluid is being spilled while you work. There is no way to get away from that. It's part of the business.
You are absolutely right. The turbo losing a turbine wheel likely leaked the whole pan into the exhaust system in about 45 seconds and the rods immediately started eating the bearings. They had warning signs, but decided to ignore them.
Merry Christmas to you and your family, be sure to extend thanks to your wife for letting this video be made. You really do a great job with presentation and editing, and for someone like me, this is my first real exposure to the internal workings of modern engines. I honestly enjoy your videos for their informative nature, and your presentation for your wit and analysis.
It's amazing that as much as these engines are efficient, their complexity is so vulnerable to failure. They are in fact, disposable. They would cost more to repair than replace, but then, the auto industry today, wants to see us in the showroom every five years.
Oil starvation will destroy every rotating assembly regardless of brand/vintage/application. The 3.5 ecoboost seems to be a pretty solid engine as long as the oil is changed with good quality synthetic frequently enough. They also don't like too much granny driving, either especially when new and the rings are still seating. Some hard pulls now and then keep them from gunking up too much. This engine looks like it got a good piston ring break in due to the clean oil rings and lack of combustion deposits/discoloring on the piston between the rings.
@@hdrenginedevelopment7507 We get a few of these every year in our service bays. Neglect seems to be the major culprit, but repair costs for outweigh the cost of replacements.
@@rollydoucet8909 it seems like repair versus replacement has not been economical for years for nearly any engine in a professional repair shop setting unless it is rare or exotic/very expensive. The time investment/labor cost just in teardown/cleaning/measuring/parts acquisition/parts in and out from the machine shop/reassembly/holding up a shop bay/being liable for any potential issues, etc etc just adds up too much. It is very difficult to break even in a self performed rebuild versus sourcing a rebuilt or a verified good used engine when you work by the hour. I DIY rebuilds for fun and for building specialty racing engines and even a basic refresh on a simple Honda 4 cyl adds up fast just in parts/materials and machine shop cost not counting labor hours. I believe it's at least as much and probably mostly caused by rising labor costs more so than being too complicated to rebuild...they all reduce down to more or less the same hunk of cranks/rods/pistons/cylinders once stripped down. Rebuilding has definitely mostly become a DIY and enthusiast's game, not a repair professional's game.
@@hdrenginedevelopment7507 I'm in the engine biz' since 1969. We operate a full machine shop complete with engine dyno. When engines were somewhat simpler, a mere part failure didn't often end up kyboshing the entire engine, to the point where the cost of repair outweighed the cost of replacement. We do live in a different world these days.
I would love to see a nissan VK56 tear down, out of a titan, armada, or the nissan cargo van. I've always been curious how those engines look on the inside
The engine in my 2011 Ford Flex was severely damaged, I think by oil ingestion from a leaking turbo hydro locking cylinder #3. Ford replaced it with a long block. Now at 177k miles, I’d tell folks to not push oil change intervals on these engines, instead ignore the oil life monitor and change it every 5K miles. If oil is coming out the weep hole in the front cover, your water pump is on borrowed time. Ford has long since sold out all the long block spares for this application, perhaps indicating others had similar problems.
Heck, I'd say 5K intervals on ANY newer engine using GDI/turbo/VVT, doesn't help when oil Co's constantly brag about extended intervals like 15K, insane in my opinion.
Eric don't BS a BSer, you did this video to keep from putting toys together, wrapping gifts, listening to in-laws and help cooking and cleaning. ANYWAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!
when it comes to RTV the prep is more important than how much you use. I also wait a good 24 hours before adding any oil or running an engine that I have seal up with RTV.
Yea but there’s RTV that literally says you can put the vehicle into service RIGHT AWAY. 🤷🏻♂️ unless it’s a personal vehicle being repaired over the weekend, ain’t no shop gonna push out a car and let it sit overnight to then refill it with fluids and finish the job the next day. 🤦🏻♂️
We had an Equinox with a 2.4L Ecotec come through the shop recently with IIRC a snapped chain, had been sitting for a while as a result. Put a chain and head on it, sent it on its way. Came back a week or so later with...something that led to us pulling the oil pan (which we admittedly should have done in the first place) and found chain guide material in the sump. Cleaned out the sump, refilled it with oil, test drove it several times to make sure the oil light didn't turn on, sent it on its way again.
I would take my new car to Eric just to see if he can disassemble and reassemble my engine and it be in working order. I have faith in him he’s a pro! Merry Christmas and happy holidays to anyone reading this.
Thank you Mrs. Eric. Merry Christmas and have a very very happy New Year. I love watching Eric's content, especially the engine tear downs. Why? Not sure I know. Maybe just so I can say, "thank God that's not my engine".
Great video as usual. I have a suggestion though, it would be really interesting if you cut the oil filters open to see what they look like! Might find some interesting surprises.
My father in law complained sorely when the water pump on his 2011 Flex had to be replaced and I said, "I know, right? My Toyota has the water pump in the same place." Nope. Not at all. Unreal how much needs to be removed to replace the water pump. When I changed my Toyota water pump, it was annoying, but I didn't have to take off the harmonic balancer either. This was a cool video.
That ticking time bomb of a water pump is the reason my parents got rid of their otherwise mint Mazda 6 with the same engine in it. Ford really excels at putting hand grenades inside of their engines.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q I disagree. My friends Edge died at 85k miles from a failed water pump. Not one drop of coolant on the ground. I truly believe Ford builds in things like this to make sure you have to buy another car in 8-10 years. Planned obsolescence.
Did they replace it with another Mazda? specifically a Japanese sky-active one? The Ford/Mazda divorce was the best thing that ever happened to Mazda imo.
@@tails300 They did not, they bought a Kia Sportage, for the warranty, mostly. I did pick up a CX-5 to replace my wife's RX330 and we love it. I've had ~5 Mazdas since 1986 and agree with you, the split from Ford has brought back Mazda from mediocrity.
9:00 For future reference, some of the holes in the timing cover are threaded and do not have a corresponding hole in the block. They are there so you can put a cover bolt in and it will 'push' the cover off, you just tighten each bolt a lil at a time evenly. I'm curious the mileage on this motor, my 2010 SHO has 245k miles on it.
You are obviously on top of your maintenance on your car! The general public has issues with this, then when their engines fail they blame the manufacturers and preach what a pile of shit it is! SMH
@@nickrobinson2386 I have mine changed at 50% oil life and I use Mobil 1. Or, exclusive city driving then I'll change it at 6 months, even if my oil life indicator says greater than 50%. Been using M1 since the 80's and have never had an oil related failure.
This video was very interesting in that I'm thinking about buying a used Taurus Sho and I was a mechanic when I was in the Coast Guard and worked on gas turbines as well as diesel and internal combustion gas engines. It's easy to understand how that engine ate itself and how it could have been prevented. Thanks for the great video.
I bet it had coolant in the oil before the water pump work and that caused initial damage to the bearings. Then the turbo failed and the lack of oil made quick work with those bearings
You’re pretty awesome for making a Christmas video!! The Ford 3.5 is a damn good engine if it’s taken care of! I got one with 240k and it’s still strong as can be!! But it’s taken care of!
@@joshuamartin6841 it seems like a huge job replacing it. Mine is only 95k, I inherited the car from a deceased person. But I heard that's when they start failing. Any idea how much a shop would charge for the pump and tensioners?
@@painful-Jay I think it’s 10-12 hours labor, it’s run by the timing chain and it’s recommended to evac the ac… there’s a weep hole above the ax compressor but it can get plugged and start leaking internally…
I’d be willing to bet that the timing chain and guides were changed too late. If the guides aren’t changed promptly severe engine damage will occur. Typically the chain will wear the guides down into the metal reinforcements causing metal shavings to go into the oil and throughout the entire engine and turbos. This is why you’ll see the scouring on all bearing surfaces and eventually rod knock and cam caps prematurely wearing.
Dude, coming from Germany and not understanding the fuss about the big and - compared to engines engineered in Germany - relatively inefficient american engines, I really really like your style of tearing down these engine blocks! Very sympathetic! Keep doing your good work Sir!
Its interesting to me when germans make these claims. Because their cars have the hardest time passing emissions. And are the most known for engine lights.
@@Yaboidavey You're having a point there but I also think it's something else. Regulations nowadays made by the EU are so strict that every manufacturer - not only german ones - struggles with reaching the goals of them. And of course, with the technical complexity of an internal combustion engine trying to reach abnormal and too strict rules there comes a certain possibility of some details failing - leading to the engine light you're referring to.
@@marcuspostel1156 www.epa.gov/vw/learn-about-volkswagen-violations#:~:text=The%20notice%20alleges%20that%20Volkswagen,pollution%20than%20emissions%20standards%20allow. " The notice alleges that Volkswagen installed software in its model year 2009-2015 2.0 liter diesel cars that circumvents EPA emissions standards. These vehicles emit up to 40 times more pollution than emissions standards allow." Bro.... 40× the standard 🤣 You can't even argue when it's THAT BAD. That's just horrible inefficiency.
Love your vid's. Coming from an aerospace career, 36 years now retired, I have used pigmat for years and yes it is awesome stuff. Also looking at the design of oil pumps, the gear looking combo is called a Ger-rotor, it is such a durable design. Seeing all the videos I have from you its good to see this is a universally used design. This engine was maintained, to a degree, I say that considering the odd brand oil filter used! Makes me wonder what oil was used? I agree with Eric, turbo failure was the probable cause of engine death. People are stupid! They ignore warning signs. I do like these engines and have had a few, the power they produce is certainly fun to drive! But you need to be on top of maintenance and quality of fluids and filters used. I know I am preaching to the choir here. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to Eric, family and crew.
Agreed. But I think they were first put in 2015 F-150's? Plenty of time for people to either ignore maintenance or follow Ford's intervals. I've got a 3.0 myself. Haven't heard of too many issues outside of leaky improperly installed or poorly designed oil pans
@@themichaelcreed I understand your point. Being an engineer myself, and a total gearhead, I cannot get behind design decisions like this though. GM seems to be doing a lot of things right these days with the constant evolution of a simple engine, the LS platform. I think FORD's ecoboost systems are a step in the right direction, but simplicity is the name of the game when it comes to reliability.
thank you, "I Do Car"s wife! Merry Christmas! I've got a buddy with one of those SHOs - he's got 140k on the motor... he is good about changing oil but...
Thank you for another year of videos. So enjoyable to watch. Made so by your personality. You would be fun guy to know, even more so to work for. Turbo sucked the oil out? Yup. I sold my last car to my dad, and, as bad luck would have it, the turbo went the same way. Despite the fact that he had spent his whole life in the car industry, he tried to drive it home. He got less than a mile before the engine (and thus the car) was toast. He told me there was a plume of smoke behind him, like so nobody behind him could see the road. I did tell him what I thought, words not printable.
Thanks as always for the video. Curious what you think about Ford's changes to this engine from 17 on? Adding port injection, more robust timing chain etc...
So what happened was, the water pump failed, and the vehicle was ran until it shut off, low oil pressure. Towed to mechanic, they found the bad water pump, did it, chains, guides, etc. and still had a knock and low oil when ran, coolant oil mix, along with clogged feed line screens, killed the turbos
Thank you to Eric‘s wife for letting him make this great content for us! Merry Christmas to you guys
Thanks, wife. (To sound like a kid saying thanks, mom. Lol.
@@arthurcortright2186 thanks wife, with out you life would have no joy. Oil would be checked regularly. Lol j.k. thx for letting hubby play with us!
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I thought he was a virgin
As somebody who has done a water pump and timing chain on their SHO, let me tell you it’s a real treat doing it with the engine still in the car 🤣
I have a sho and my water pump blew. I apologize as i know they are awful to repair hahaha
literally just did this. then hpfpcam follower exploded on startup. metal chunks lost in my freshly rebuilt engine.
Im at 101k with my non turbo how long do i have left?
@@CopeYouCun7s Have you had to repair the water pump at any time. The water pumps I've replaced on the 3.5 was 68k and 61k the repair is so expensive. I really believe your water pump is on Is borrowed time.
First thanks to Eric's wife, she is a real one. Second, if you are a car guy or girl, how can you not like this channel, no crap, no long intros, just straight into tearing engines apart, entertaining.
She's sending him to work and collecting his paycheck. Not impressive when you think about it.
@@taylorc2542 you don't know that, any real man goes to work without being "sent" and we have no idea who is handling the $$$ in that household.
And no silly sponsors and advertisements.
@@taylorc2542 that sounds like something an incel would say
As for working on a holiday, he did what a real man would do, tell her the average youtube revenue for a video that'll get 275k views in 2 months.
The level of care you took removing that timing cover says everything anyone should need to know about how you run your business.
Just learned how quickly a blown turbo can starve an engine… Good advice and another cool video
Another reason I'm keeping my Yota 2UZ around as long as possible. No truck outside of a diesel should be running turbos. They are just extra liability.
@@majist0 the ecoboost is pretty proven for reliability… u can find a video of any engine like this NA, or forced induction… my 2010 SHO has 104k HARD miles. I have a Livernois 440HP tune/kit on it since 50k miles and it runs like new.
1.) I only put good synthetic oil in it rated for “20k miles” either Castrol Edge extended or M1 Extended or PP Ultra. with “20k mile oil filters”
2.) I change my oil every 5k miles even with the “20k components”
This has kept it running like new for me. The engine can easily go longer on that oil but the turbos are not worth risking. DYI oil change is only $37 with some of the best oil and filter available. It also takes about 15 minutes with oil change ramps. One of the easier oil change engines out there.
3. )I also use a intake valve cleaner spray by CRC every 15k miles which definitely works. Does it clean it entirely.. likely not at all but it reduces carbon build up significantly and with repeated use slowly pecks away at it. It is also very easy to use.
Then I also change spark plugs about every 30k miles.
@@shawn01707 I feel the same way about changing the oil in my 2 vehicles. It's cheap and easy to keep your oil changed.
This was pretty cool to see an engine basically the same as mine being taken apart, seeing what’s on the inside and not just on the surface
Ikr, I have a '11 Flex Limited, love to hear those turbos spool up
you also have the same shit engine.
@Cole_Gorton wow, a ecoboost flex, please tell me you have it tuned to gap those pesky 5.7 chargers who think they are something 😂
I like how they left the "Will it blend?" turbo on the car. That's a lot of class right there.
Merry Christmas!
You ARE just the guy zipping bolts out until the parts fall off….. and we applaud and love you for it!! Merry Christmas from San Diego!
Your wife is the MVP on this video. Not many will let you out and play the night before Christmas. You're a very lucky man.
I would love to see you cut open the oil filter from one of these engines just to see how much metal they catch. And thanks for the Christmas video!
Buddy, "I" thank "you". Your wife is an amazing lady and YOU darn well better thank her very nicely indeed. What I can do is wish you both a happy and safe holiday and all the best for 2022.
Thanks to Eric and the family for the Christmas teardown, may this video hit a million views like the original LS7 teardown that started all of this which was uploaded Christmas day last year. Congrats on the channel growth and Merry Christmas.
Thanks buddy! Merry Christmas to you and your family as well.
Thank you Eric's wife for letting Eric take apart an engine on Christmas eve.!!
Hey! It’s one of my favorite channels!
Thanks for the comment, and can’t wait to see what else you do! Happy holidays!
@@I_Do_Cars Thanks, New videos will start in January.
Robot Cantina I’ll be waiting!
This channel has me checking my oil every time I get gas.
I also check oil at fill-up was always told that by my dad from a young age!
I used to tell every customer to get in that habit. Especially those with cars made after about 2011 or so, as the lighter weight fuel economy 0W oils became more fashionable, and cars started to use oil. Turbos, too. And oil change intervals, especially as DI engines soot up the oil, are more crucial as well.
As cars become more and more automated, the mechanicals become less and less maintenance free. Hilarious
A part of me was sad at the end of last week's video as I was expecting a pause for 1 or 2 weeks. Thank you Eric's wife, with what I've seen so far I don't know how she puts up with him lol
Merry Christmas to you and your family Eric
Found some sparkly oil in my Taurus. Water pump bearings went out. Got lucky, only started leaking when tension was taken off the chain. Flushed oil pan and pick up, new water pump, chain and components, magnetic oil plug and a large magnet on the oil filter. 230k. Still going strong.
Thank you Eric's wife, not only for letting him give us this Christmas present, but also for supporting him making this channel.
Good health and good cheer to you and yours!
Outstanding quality video
No stupidity, no background music. Competent, sensible. Excellent fast speeding up of video when needed
Thank you very much
I love my eco’s. Got a 2010 with 180,000 miles. The hp and torque is awesome.
Have you done anything as far as your maintenance? Like fuel injector cleanings and carbon buildup cleanings, other than just your normal transfer case, transmission fluid, and spark plugs with the general maintenance?
You should definitely install an oil catch can
Thank you Mrs, Eric,we appreciate your sacrifice and understanding in this endeavor and hope for your continued support in the future,God bless and merry Christmas.
Props to the Missus for agreeing to the shop time on the holidays! Best to you and all of yours! Also, an X-Acto knife could come in handy for ripped boots like you had on #3 there.
Thanks, Eric's wife, for the teardown permission and happy holidays to your family!
Thank you Mrs engine teardown lady!!
You totally Rock!!!!
Thanks Mrs E
You don't know how much we need this.
Greatly appreciate your sacrifice.
To Eric's wife, thank you. These are the videos that I look forward to beholding a new one at the end of each week, and watching all others during. Without your support, this video would not be possible. So, thank you. And happy holidays to you both
That noise the coils made when they popped out of the valve cover... Best Christmas present ever.
Over 5% fuel dilution on direct injection engine is number one problem for engines to fail or wear out fast. Secret for direct injection to last is to never follow factory recommended intervals for oil change
oil dilution occurs much more on city drived cars, short distances and often cold runnig, but is not a issue for cars who make long distances on highway...But yes oil change need to be reduce by 50%
@@leneanderthalien reduced by 50% meaning if it says 3k to do 6k or if it says 3k to do 1.5k
@@imaakillaa it won't ever say 3k most of them suggest 10k+ which needs to be cut in half is what he's saying. I change the oil in my 16 fiesta st (1.6 ecoboost gdi) with castrol edge full synthetic every 5k even though recommended change interval is 10k which is stupid. The castrol edge is supposed to be good with gdi turbo engines so that's why I use that. BTW my car is fbo with a hybrid turbo swap running on e30 full time making 280 wheel hp which is about 100 more than stock which is over a 50% gain from stock at the wheels.
@@midnight347 I change my oil every 3k miles. Sometimes sooner. Lol. My 99' Tacoma has over 200k miles and still runs like a champ. Just replaced gaskets and when I had the valve covers off, the camshafts looked great along with the heads considering the mileage of the engine. Also, there was no coking deposits of oil. Oil changes are very important and should be a priority always.
I change the oil every 3,000 Mi with full synthetic on my 3.6 L FX GM V-6 and it's got over 200,000 miles and still runs strong. I also avoid the Fatal problem that most people do on these engines and that's by checking the oil level and keeping it full! I would never go more than maybe maybe 4,000 miles on one of these engines on an oil change you're just asking for trouble.
This video reminded me of doing the water pump on my 2009 Flex, a pretty big job for myself. I recall that removing the timing cover was made easier by using the extra empty threaded holes that Ford had put in the cover to allow you to put a bolt into and crank down against the block face and lever the cover off without risk of damage.
Glad mine doesn't have a turbo. Sad that such a well maintained engine was so quickly ruined by 3 minutes of ignorance.
There was most likely a large amount of RTV on the timing cover because on the front wheel drive engines it is a very difficult job removing the timing cover with the engine in the vehicle. So most techs put a lot of rtv on the cover because they simply don't want to have to remove the cover again.
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The point was more RTV better.
A thin bead, then follow the instructions for RTV, which is usually hand tighten, leave it for a while to cure for a bit, then torque down. Having half a tube gush out the sides isn't a sign of success.
@@Cheepchipsable yeah I know I'm a good mechanic, I was merely pointing out that was the likey cause of the excessive rtv in the first place
It will be done with a robot in the factory, I imagine it is difficult to replicate with the engine in the vehicle.
and also because there usually isn't any time to leave it to cure, which is required, so doing it this way is mostly reliable, even if annoying
Not a car guy but it was fun just to watch you tear down an engine. Hope you were able to salvage whatever you needed for the other project.
Eric, great video as always. Thank you to your dear wife for understanding the need for your fans addictions for engine dismantling needing to be satisfied even on Christmas Eve!! Merry Christmas to you and your family. Big Al.
i like that you don't take yourself too seriously. thanks for diagnosis, i didn't know turbo failure caused oil loss
This car sufferd from the water pump failure and they ride with the water in the oil until it made noise... Then they thought a new water pump and timing chain and and oil change would fix it.. not the case. If you miss the water coming out of the weep hole and wait until the water pump completely fails and it dumps water into the oil it's DONE. It does exactly the damage shown. Anyone with a front wheel drive 3.5 Ecoboost needs to start checking behind the alternator starting at 100k Mikes. Honestly anything after 100k your on borrowed time. So best thing you can do is start buying parts from Ford. AND ONLY USE A FORD WATER PUMP and ford spark plugs. I just did this in my 2012 Lincoln MKT. If you are shade tree mechanic this isn't a Terrible job but it is a long job.. it took me a weekend to complete.
why Front wheel drive ?
@@RevO-One He means FWD or AWD like the Edge, Flex, Taurus, etc. In these applications, the 3.5/3.7 is turned sideways (East to West) in the engine bay, and there's no room for an external water pump, so in these cases, it's *inside* the timing cover. If the front water pump seal leaks on a Cyclone engine, the coolant goes into the oil and kills the engine. There is a weep hole on the side of the block near the alternator that weeps when the pump starts failing. If the water pump is changed in time, no engine damage will occur. Now, on rear wheel drive applications (including four wheel drive trucks), the engine is put in North to South, and there's room for an external water pump, so the rear wheel drive based vehicles don't have the internal pump leakage.
@@ohger1 oh thanks I just didnt know about the existence of the external pump on those, I thought the engine alone was almost 100% identical...
Thank you to the misses for letting him give us the entertainment he provides. Keep yer stick on the ice.
Great video Eric. I have 2014 Taurus SHO and I love seeing what has gone wrong and what to keep an eye out for. I purchased it used with 34k on it and now have 106k. Knock on wood I haven’t had any major issues.
Hey buddy how’s your SHO doing?
@@BetydeIsMyHandle I also need to know
Uh oh, think his water pump kamikazied the engine…
Thank you Mrs. Eric for allowing him to play.
Now, Eric, I'm shocked you didn't know that oil pickup tubes are now dual purpose, they can be used as storage for excess bearing material.
Thx Eric's wife and Eric for doing a Christmas SHO... 😁 Blessings to you and your entire family. Always a great SHO!
Never thought I’d spend my Sunday mornings watching some guy take apart junk engines…. and actually look forward to it.
The more I learn about these new motors the more I believe they don't want them to last with out major costly repairs.
The 3.5s can be great engines IF you are keeping up on Maintaining the engine and not neglecting it which is why a majority of engines fail and people complain about it when it's actually their own fault for it failing in the first place
@@kylebeach2316exactly!!!
Modern society doesn’t take the time to maintain a vehicle, but does take the time to complain about it, when it fails!!!
You have an amazing wife to put up with not only the video timing but also your severe care / BMW addiction. On the other hand it also makes for some great video's and I for one am greatly appreciating them. I hope your holiday was great and the next year does well for you, the family and your business.
Thank you Eric's wife for letting him play with us on Christmas Eve!
Eric’s wife appreciates what he is doing and support’s his channel. Merry Christmas!
Can you imagine what that engine sounded like with all of those spun rod bearings? We're talking serious sounds of warfare going on inside of that engine....
Knock knock knock Who's there?
I can't believe people are commenting on how much fluid is being spilled while you work. There is no way to get away from that. It's part of the business.
Thank you Mrs Eric, you are EPIC!!….
You are absolutely right. The turbo losing a turbine wheel likely leaked the whole pan into the exhaust system in about 45 seconds and the rods immediately started eating the bearings. They had warning signs, but decided to ignore them.
Merry Christmas to you and your family, be sure to extend thanks to your wife for letting this video be made. You really do a great job with presentation and editing, and for someone like me, this is my first real exposure to the internal workings of modern engines. I honestly enjoy your videos for their informative nature, and your presentation for your wit and analysis.
Thanks for opening up a 3.5 . I can see how mine works . 10 years old and 44,000 miles on it. I hope to have it twenty more years .
It's amazing that as much as these engines are efficient, their complexity is so vulnerable to failure. They are in fact, disposable. They would cost more to repair than replace, but then, the auto industry today, wants to see us in the showroom every five years.
Oil starvation will destroy every rotating assembly regardless of brand/vintage/application. The 3.5 ecoboost seems to be a pretty solid engine as long as the oil is changed with good quality synthetic frequently enough. They also don't like too much granny driving, either especially when new and the rings are still seating. Some hard pulls now and then keep them from gunking up too much. This engine looks like it got a good piston ring break in due to the clean oil rings and lack of combustion deposits/discoloring on the piston between the rings.
@@hdrenginedevelopment7507 We get a few of these every year in our service bays. Neglect seems to be the major culprit, but repair costs for outweigh the cost of replacements.
@@rollydoucet8909 it seems like repair versus replacement has not been economical for years for nearly any engine in a professional repair shop setting unless it is rare or exotic/very expensive. The time investment/labor cost just in teardown/cleaning/measuring/parts acquisition/parts in and out from the machine shop/reassembly/holding up a shop bay/being liable for any potential issues, etc etc just adds up too much. It is very difficult to break even in a self performed rebuild versus sourcing a rebuilt or a verified good used engine when you work by the hour. I DIY rebuilds for fun and for building specialty racing engines and even a basic refresh on a simple Honda 4 cyl adds up fast just in parts/materials and machine shop cost not counting labor hours. I believe it's at least as much and probably mostly caused by rising labor costs more so than being too complicated to rebuild...they all reduce down to more or less the same hunk of cranks/rods/pistons/cylinders once stripped down. Rebuilding has definitely mostly become a DIY and enthusiast's game, not a repair professional's game.
@@hdrenginedevelopment7507 I'm in the engine biz' since 1969. We operate a full machine shop complete with engine dyno. When engines were somewhat simpler, a mere part failure didn't often end up kyboshing the entire engine, to the point where the cost of repair outweighed the cost of replacement. We do live in a different world these days.
@@hdrenginedevelopment7507 I find the main problem with direct-injection type engines is they're not driven hard enough, and the valves get gummed up.
Pretty interesting how the weep hole works. I wasn’t aware that they had 2 gaskets for the water pump. I learned something new!
Eric I absolutely love your channel. I’d love to see some more in-depth videos teaching about some of the things you do
Thank you Eric's wife and merry Christmas to everyone!
I would love to see a nissan VK56 tear down, out of a titan, armada, or the nissan cargo van. I've always been curious how those engines look on the inside
To Eric's wife, thank you, and wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, from Laurel Delaware.
The engine in my 2011 Ford Flex was severely damaged, I think by oil ingestion from a leaking turbo hydro locking cylinder #3. Ford replaced it with a long block. Now at 177k miles, I’d tell folks to not push oil change intervals on these engines, instead ignore the oil life monitor and change it every 5K miles. If oil is coming out the weep hole in the front cover, your water pump is on borrowed time. Ford has long since sold out all the long block spares for this application, perhaps indicating others had similar problems.
Great comments
Heck, I'd say 5K intervals on ANY newer engine using GDI/turbo/VVT, doesn't help when oil Co's constantly brag about extended intervals like 15K, insane in my opinion.
@@barryaiello3127 what do you mean "5k doesn't help"?
@@jamesmedina2062 comma doesn't help when oil companies brag about 15k
@@jamesmedina2062 I meant change at 5K.
Eric don't BS a BSer, you did this video to keep from putting toys together, wrapping gifts, listening to in-laws and help cooking and cleaning. ANYWAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!
when it comes to RTV the prep is more important than how much you use. I also wait a good 24 hours before adding any oil or running an engine that I have seal up with RTV.
Same here give it plenty of time to cure
I use right stuff. 95% of the time. It's pretty much bullet proof. Never had a leak .
@@peterpeter5666 I usually prep with rubbing alcohol and shop paper towels. I keep cleaning until I stop seeing stains on the paper towels..
@@uptownsamcv same except i use brake cleaner instead
Yea but there’s RTV that literally says you can put the vehicle into service RIGHT AWAY. 🤷🏻♂️ unless it’s a personal vehicle being repaired over the weekend, ain’t no shop gonna push out a car and let it sit overnight to then refill it with fluids and finish the job the next day. 🤦🏻♂️
We had an Equinox with a 2.4L Ecotec come through the shop recently with IIRC a snapped chain, had been sitting for a while as a result. Put a chain and head on it, sent it on its way. Came back a week or so later with...something that led to us pulling the oil pan (which we admittedly should have done in the first place) and found chain guide material in the sump. Cleaned out the sump, refilled it with oil, test drove it several times to make sure the oil light didn't turn on, sent it on its way again.
That’s a funky looking engine
Thanks to your wife for this video 👍👍
After the first 500,000 you get used to them.
I work at Chicago Assembly.
The Duratec in its original form as a 2.5L that ended up in lots of Mondeos, Contours and Mystiques was a Porsche Engineering design sold to Ford.
@Bo Blu - Yeah I can kinda see that.
I really enjoyed this video. Your presentation is very good.
Merry Christmas, Eric! All the vest to you and yours this holiday season!
And thank your wonderful wife for putting up with you all these years!
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I would take my new car to Eric just to see if he can disassemble and reassemble my engine and it be in working order. I have faith in him he’s a pro! Merry Christmas and happy holidays to anyone reading this.
Thank you Mrs. Eric. Merry Christmas and have a very very happy New Year. I love watching Eric's content, especially the engine tear downs. Why? Not sure I know. Maybe just so I can say, "thank God that's not my engine".
So satisfying hearing you break the cam caps head bolts rod bolts and crank bolts thanks for not speeding them up👍
Great video as usual. I have a suggestion though, it would be really interesting if you cut the oil filters open to see what they look like! Might find some interesting surprises.
Eric, please thank your wife for letting you produce a video. A Merry Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year to you and your family.
Man I would love to have heard this thing run. This thing must have clattered like an old diesel
My father in law complained sorely when the water pump on his 2011 Flex had to be replaced and I said, "I know, right? My Toyota has the water pump in the same place." Nope. Not at all. Unreal how much needs to be removed to replace the water pump. When I changed my Toyota water pump, it was annoying, but I didn't have to take off the harmonic balancer either.
This was a cool video.
I'd like to see a teardown of the original Taurus SHO engine, the one made by Yamaha.
The engine is by ford/ even rude but the HEAD was by Yamaha
You think there are any left in the junk yards?
Thank you for calling it an S H O and not a 'show'. Ford only started calling it the 'show' because of how often people said the name wrong!
This engine not puking on your floor is a Christmas miracle.
I like the way you explained everything, simple no overblown explanation no bs (thanks)
That ticking time bomb of a water pump is the reason my parents got rid of their otherwise mint Mazda 6 with the same engine in it. Ford really excels at putting hand grenades inside of their engines.
They are fine for 150k+ miles. After that it’s usually on the second or third owner.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q I disagree. My friends Edge died at 85k miles from a failed water pump. Not one drop of coolant on the ground. I truly believe Ford builds in things like this to make sure you have to buy another car in 8-10 years. Planned obsolescence.
Did they replace it with another Mazda? specifically a Japanese sky-active one? The Ford/Mazda divorce was the best thing that ever happened to Mazda imo.
@@tails300 They did not, they bought a Kia Sportage, for the warranty, mostly. I did pick up a CX-5 to replace my wife's RX330 and we love it. I've had ~5 Mazdas since 1986 and agree with you, the split from Ford has brought back Mazda from mediocrity.
Tell wifey she was the awesome sauce that quenched our insatiable appetite for mechanical devastation revelation, merry X-mas to both you guys!.
9:00 For future reference, some of the holes in the timing cover are threaded and do not have a corresponding hole in the block. They are there so you can put a cover bolt in and it will 'push' the cover off, you just tighten each bolt a lil at a time evenly.
I'm curious the mileage on this motor, my 2010 SHO has 245k miles on it.
You are obviously on top of your maintenance on your car! The general public has issues with this, then when their engines fail they blame the manufacturers and preach what a pile of shit it is! SMH
Nice mine 2013 sle has got 410k km
Your’e right . I wonder why he didn’t remove the cover that way?
What does your maintenance schedule look like
@@nickrobinson2386 I have mine changed at 50% oil life and I use Mobil 1. Or, exclusive city driving then I'll change it at 6 months, even if my oil life indicator says greater than 50%. Been using M1 since the 80's and have never had an oil related failure.
This video was very interesting in that I'm thinking about buying a used Taurus Sho and I was a mechanic when I was in the Coast Guard and worked on gas turbines as well as diesel and internal combustion gas engines. It's easy to understand how that engine ate itself and how it could have been prevented. Thanks for the great video.
I bet it had coolant in the oil before the water pump work and that caused initial damage to the bearings. Then the turbo failed and the lack of oil made quick work with those bearings
100%
I love that socket extension on your impact -- that's how I roll, too!
Yeah I agree the turbo failure was very likely the culprit. Must have been a big blue cloud before that drum solo.
Heheh... drum solo
Thank you to Eric's wife and merry Christmas to y'all!
You’re pretty awesome for making a Christmas video!! The Ford 3.5 is a damn good engine if it’s taken care of! I got one with 240k and it’s still strong as can be!! But it’s taken care of!
You replaced the water pump yet? I'm terrified of mine going out.
@@painful-Jay I haven’t but I watch it closely! I have a water pump sitting on my work bench! I also haven’t owned it since new…
@@joshuamartin6841 it seems like a huge job replacing it. Mine is only 95k, I inherited the car from a deceased person. But I heard that's when they start failing. Any idea how much a shop would charge for the pump and tensioners?
@@painful-Jay I think it’s 10-12 hours labor, it’s run by the timing chain and it’s recommended to evac the ac… there’s a weep hole above the ax compressor but it can get plugged and start leaking internally…
That RTV ripping noise reminded me of when Ripley pulled Newt out of the alien nest.
I’d be willing to bet that the timing chain and guides were changed too late. If the guides aren’t changed promptly severe engine damage will occur. Typically the chain will wear the guides down into the metal reinforcements causing metal shavings to go into the oil and throughout the entire engine and turbos. This is why you’ll see the scouring on all bearing surfaces and eventually rod knock and cam caps prematurely wearing.
Turbos
Dude, coming from Germany and not understanding the fuss about the big and - compared to engines engineered in Germany - relatively inefficient american engines, I really really like your style of tearing down these engine blocks! Very sympathetic! Keep doing your good work Sir!
Its interesting to me when germans make these claims.
Because their cars have the hardest time passing emissions. And are the most known for engine lights.
@@Yaboidavey You're having a point there but I also think it's something else. Regulations nowadays made by the EU are so strict that every manufacturer - not only german ones - struggles with reaching the goals of them. And of course, with the technical complexity of an internal combustion engine trying to reach abnormal and too strict rules there comes a certain possibility of some details failing - leading to the engine light you're referring to.
@@marcuspostel1156 www.epa.gov/vw/learn-about-volkswagen-violations#:~:text=The%20notice%20alleges%20that%20Volkswagen,pollution%20than%20emissions%20standards%20allow.
" The notice alleges that Volkswagen installed software in its model year 2009-2015 2.0 liter diesel cars that circumvents EPA emissions standards. These vehicles emit up to 40 times more pollution than emissions standards allow."
Bro.... 40× the standard 🤣
You can't even argue when it's THAT BAD. That's just horrible inefficiency.
Eric: "start out with good: pistons, no signs of issues whatsoever"
Me: pistons skirts scratched to death.
You're amazing. You should have your own TH-cam channel.
He really is. Anxiously awaiting his premier episode...
Love your vid's. Coming from an aerospace career, 36 years now retired, I have used pigmat for years and yes it is awesome stuff. Also looking at the design of oil pumps, the gear looking combo is called a Ger-rotor, it is such a durable design. Seeing all the videos I have from you its good to see this is a universally used design. This engine was maintained, to a degree, I say that considering the odd brand oil filter used! Makes me wonder what oil was used? I agree with Eric, turbo failure was the probable cause of engine death. People are stupid! They ignore warning signs. I do like these engines and have had a few, the power they produce is certainly fun to drive! But you need to be on top of maintenance and quality of fluids and filters used. I know I am preaching to the choir here.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to Eric, family and crew.
Thanks Eric’s wife for putting up with him and his TH-cam hobby…not to mention letting him start a home for lost and neglected BMWs!
A Hobby that pays very well or she wouldn't of been so understanding.
Id like to see an 89-95 taurus sho engine now
I'd like to see a 2.7 or 3.0 ecoboost if you can get your hands on one. They're kinda new though so not sure how tough finding one would be.
Agreed. But I think they were first put in 2015 F-150's? Plenty of time for people to either ignore maintenance or follow Ford's intervals. I've got a 3.0 myself. Haven't heard of too many issues outside of leaky improperly installed or poorly designed oil pans
Thank-you to Eric's wife for letting him entertain us. Merry Christmas! 🎄
Wow a timing chain driven water pump. Someone had a big brain moment when they came up with that atrocity.
A timing chain driven water pump, BEHIND the timing cover. . .major big, smooth brain work here.
@@life_of_riley88 All about compacting space, Ford's done millions of them. Not sure if it's a good thing or not.
@@themichaelcreed I understand your point. Being an engineer myself, and a total gearhead, I cannot get behind design decisions like this though. GM seems to be doing a lot of things right these days with the constant evolution of a simple engine, the LS platform. I think FORD's ecoboost systems are a step in the right direction, but simplicity is the name of the game when it comes to reliability.
thank you, "I Do Car"s wife! Merry Christmas! I've got a buddy with one of those SHOs - he's got 140k on the motor... he is good about changing oil but...
Also, must be a 10-12 as it has the single link chain vs dual link
The aluminum valve covers and steel manifolds tell the tale as well.
Some of the late '11 and '12 engines got the new timing components before they switched to the new cam and crank sensors too.
Thank you Mrs. I Do Cars for this lovely Christmas present!
you should do a tear down of the infamous oil guzzling VQ35DE from early Maximas, Altimas, 350Zs and G35s.
Much better than this engine
Thank you for another year of videos. So enjoyable to watch. Made so by your personality. You would be fun guy to know, even more so to work for. Turbo sucked the oil out? Yup. I sold my last car to my dad, and, as bad luck would have it, the turbo went the same way. Despite the fact that he had spent his whole life in the car industry, he tried to drive it home. He got less than a mile before the engine (and thus the car) was toast. He told me there was a plume of smoke behind him, like so nobody behind him could see the road. I did tell him what I thought, words not printable.
Thanks as always for the video. Curious what you think about Ford's changes to this engine from 17 on? Adding port injection, more robust timing chain etc...
He might not have seen blown ones yet. You might ask FordBoss what he thinks.
A special thanks and Merry Christmas to Mrs Eric B. for giving us the gift of an engine teardown.
So what happened was, the water pump failed, and the vehicle was ran until it shut off, low oil pressure. Towed to mechanic, they found the bad water pump, did it, chains, guides, etc. and still had a knock and low oil when ran, coolant oil mix, along with clogged feed line screens, killed the turbos
yep
What a show! Great tear down Autopsy! Blown turbo killed all the bearing in that poor engine! I feel sorry for it too.