"Alright, today I'm speaking with Steven Bonnell, also known as Destiny. Steven's an online schizophrenic, and one of the few black women in the political space with more popularity that Kamala Harris"
@@respectfulgamer7232 well I know Hasans viewers freaked out when I said I liked hearing him speak but maybe I am conflating his special audience with destinies. Let me know. Ps I don't agree with everything Sam says but I respect the intellect. Same for destiny though id say I respect sam more than destiny to be honest
Ben is the closest of the 3 to a good faith convo. JBP has lost his fucking mind and Candice never had one to start with. JBP has also become incredibly dishonest and arrogant about his ignorance.
I’ve been reading/listening to Harris since around 2008 or even earlier. I’ve almost never seen him agree more with someone. This was a great podcast and really brings a sanity to politics.
I just tried to sign up for Sams podcast to listen to the full episde and the ONLY option is a Full Year for $99 or another $69 option. That is IT no monthly option for $10-$15 is insane. How the hell does Sam Harris expect to grow his Podcast Subs if he will not allow people to try it for monthy basis?
@@Wallyworld30there’s a section under the sign up pages payment options where you can ask for a reduced rate and it allows you to pick a price as low as $10 of you are in need or feel it’s out of your budget. I signed up for the whole year at $40. I paid and I have full access for year.
I literally bought Sam Harris’s podcast subscription just for this episode. Used to be a long time listener (before the paywall lol) so this was a treat.
I also caved and bought it lol. Apparently he gives free subscriptions if you contact his staff, but you have to wait up to 10 days for a response... and I wanted the podcast NOW!
If the Peterson convo was like the smart kid back from college getting into an argument with his very smart but ultimately kind of crazy uncle without trying to upset him too much at Thanksgiving, this is more like the smart kid chatting to his savvy and well-informed and kind of self-important other uncle at thanksgiving
You guys dont even know how much fanboy destiny is in this conversation, he has been talking about talking to Sam for years.... which is cute, Sam is a powerhouse, its understandable.
I've always liked Sam honestly. Not saying he's perfect, but he seems to be a good political adjacent figure and he's able to defend his beliefs with coherence.
I used to like him when I was young and naive but now I see him for the pseudo intellectual that he is, th3 guy hasn't been th3 same since Trump broke his brain 😂
If it wasn't for his "wokeism is about to destroy the world" rhetoric I would agree. Otherwise he is pretty good on most topics. The real moral panic about wokeism exist mostly within the right. Somehow Sam cannot break out and see that.
@@williammullinax6130I think part of it is his absence from social media for the past few years. When he was on Twitter it was still the far left crazies who had a take over of Twitter, he probably just hasn’t seen how unhinged the right wing people are with their “antiwokeism”. I’m against woke politics for the most part but some of these conservatives act like it’s going to be the end of the world.
@@williammullinax6130 I don't think he thinks it's going to destroy the world. He's certainly clear that he thinks the problems on the right are much more of concern than the ones on the left. He just doesn't like to talk about the same thing all the time, which may make him sometimes give more time (and thus presumptive importance) to certain topics.
I've always quite like Sam's way of thinking. Until you get to international politics or his baffling blindness when it comes to anything related to Israel.
Love that Tiny has gotten this opportunity. Well deserved. As a long time enjoyer of Sam I’ll never understand the purity tests that take shots at this guy. Just listening to this conversation alone consolidates to me the idea these two have been some of the biggest influences in my mindset. Not to fanboy too much but a debate team with these two would be fun to watch.
@@KidVll I find it very difficult. (Just think what Trump and his followers defend.) As much as he disliked the Clintons, it would be like thinking that Hitchens would have become a Christian in order to criticize Islam. (He would most likely have criticized both Hillary and Trump.)
@@KidVll You gotta be out of your mind. The modern GOP is completely controlled by Evangelicals, who Hitchens despised. He would have seen Trump as a Falwell type.
@@LuisRomeroLopez You're right, Hitchens position was extremely nuanced, well thought out and always consistent due to these factors. He supported both PLA two state solution and end of West Bank occupation, was against zionism but also defended Israel's right to exist now within it's defined borders. Based on Hitchens dislike of authoritarianism and Putin I'm pretty sure he would support Harris, if nothing else because Harris is against Putin and will defend democracy something Trump has proven he doesn't care about.
Best cross over? You right, you couldn’t put 2 better losers together to cope over their failures of getting ripped apart by the influencer gambit with their terrible ideas.
The one thing I completely disagree with Destiny on is that there absolutely was a period of time when people's phones were listening to them and sending advertisements accordingly.
As both a Sam and Destiny fan this pod was a breath of fresh air for both my Destiny-watching brain and my Sam-listening brain. It wasn't particularly adversarial but I think you both brought the best out of each other. I'd love a combined pod with you two, or a Bridges episode because this was the kind of sanity that I think the world needs.
Destiny makes a really good point here. How our world has become so opaque to scrutiny ...and the consequences. For virtually all of recorded history...the world and our lives were essentially organic. We could observe and ...to at least a reasonable degree...comprehend what we were observing. With the industrial revolution that began to change. With the arrival of electronics and, especially, semi-conductors and computers...everything is now utterly impenetrable. Even the experts often do not know what is going on. Thoreau once said..."The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." The desperation is a direct consequence of comfort level. The degree to which we feel we 'know' who we are and are in control of our environment. That control has effectively completely evaporated over the last century.
Fox News has a larger viewership than cnn and msnbc combined, Facebook I thought was more comprised of right wing posts by users and groups, but it’s hard to get exact figures, at the very least it’s 50/50, and Twitter is owned by Elon Musk. Conservatives think they don’t have a voice but the truth is they don’t have a “popular” voice. By that I mean that the cultural zeitgeist has pretty much always been on the side of progressives, and so conservatives do have a voice but the country at large isn’t as interested in what they have to say, and that frustrates them.
Conservative media is the most depressing thing ever. I am a liberal but even I get paranoid when I watch the things that they focus on. Crime this, Illegal Immigrants that, Trans kids this, the Government is trying to control our lives, EV’s are bad, Liberals hate America, Fauci, Mask Mandates, CRT, DEI etc. Hahaha. Conservatives are such fear based people it’s unbelievable. 😂😂😂
I wonder how much of that audience is there for entertainment rather than agreeing with the rhetoric they espouse. I know I watch it sometimes just to see how unhinged they are. It's been proven in court that people at Fox don't really believe their own drivel and they just tell people whatever gets them the most ratings, so it's not just supposition.
@@martymcfly88mph35 you're saying my sentiment aged poorly? Because I stand by it.. Popular isn't about numbers, it's about how much cultural sway it has. I'd argue most of your favorite musicians and artists are not conservative.
I like that Sam doesn't care about his followers. He speaks what he believes and criticises all groups for whatever he thinks is wrong there unlike most influencers. The world can't be divided into two sides where one is entirely correct and other is wrong.
I love it when random people bring up MrGirl talking points and then getting the feeling that - in this case - Sam Harris just thinks 'huh it dos not make sense to talk to him about this' and they drop the topic. Loving it.
@@Bidenmytime lol... Jordan Peterson won multiple historic awards at University of Toronto, arguably our most famous tenured professor of all time. You likely live paycheque to paycheque lol
" Dr Peterson, what's your favorite color?" "Well that depends what you mean by favorite, and it also depends what you mean by color. This is also a very complex question. One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a multi-layered metaphysical substrate, which many people fundamentally conflate with their ideological presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, causing the inadvertant dismissal of Jung's archetypal extrapolation of the quintessential axiomatic juxtaposition required to achieve Raskolnikov's magnutude of neo-Marxist existential nihilism..."
@@esoterickaplan is there any thing that destiny and Harris have said that’s is as stupid as saying people whose houses become lost to rising sea levels can just sell them or that you can’t stop smoking without a mystical experience on mushrooms? I’d like to hear it if they have.
It's a strange self-propelling system of someone being politically influential and therefore important, but very sensitive to actual strong opposition, so then they need to be treated gently to engage with, but then that lack of opposition just legitimizes them even more.
The most surprising of these play nice showings was his tame showing at PBD. Around the same time Dave Pakman showed up and that was proper and extremely contentious as Pakman humiliated that whole crew on predictable fashion. I guess a close second would be Tim Pool.
Same. They agree on a lot of the substantive stuff but Destiny is so wildly different from Harris in his persona and demeanor that I never thought it would happen
This is a bit hilarious being that Sam is so bad at distancing himself from horrible people - Eric Weinstein, Charles Murray, Douglas Murray, Jordan B. etc.
How many people here actually listened to the full thing for 100 bucks? Hell, I'll pay 10 bucks to listen to that one conversation, but I don't want to sign up for a whole year!
I've so been expecting this, my list had been thicked off this year, I wanted to see 1. Destiny and Ben shapirio 2. Destiny and Alex o Connor 3. Destiny and candace owens 4. Destiny and Sam Harris This is just amazing. 5. Oh let's not forget the OG, Destiny and Andrew tate and his armies of NPCs😂😂😂😂
One of the main mistake he made with Candace was to invite her to his place. It gave a somewhat vibe he was talking to a friend. With Peterson, it sounded like an interview, Destiny barely spoke while Peterson was serving all of his unhinged shit.
Listening to Sam at the end STILL talking about Jan 6 like people give a shit or like it was an "insurrection" is just so wonderfully funny. Yes, Sam, you're right. The dudes who all own guns decided to show up to a single building and overthrow the entirety of the government without bringing any of their weapons and their incitement to go inside the building was caused by some old man yelling "let's go inside", while they get led around by police and take selfies and while a small minority throw shit at the building and yell stupid shit. Truly democracy was under attack on that fabled day that shall live on in people's heads forever.
the Candace Owens interview to me really exemplified just how much leeway Destiny was willing to give Candace that he did not and does not give to progressives like the hosts of The Majority report, or Cenk Uygur. Who he's now been very nice to lately, probably because they debated Biden dropping out. Cenk was adament about how much it would help the Democratic party. Destiny was opposed. Seeing him interact with left wing commentators, he gives them zero benefit of the doubt, holds their feet to the fire quicker etc. With Candace, he seemed to intimidated to call out Candace's BS, as he'd normally do, others.
@@heat.death_999 i said that the candace owens interview showed the double standard destiny has for progressive commentators than nazi defending, bad faith actors on the right like candace owens. His debates/discussions and his general attitude towards left leaning commentators such as cenk, sam seder, kyle kulinski etc. also showcases this. 👍
Audience capture is what Destiny was doing up until Jan 6, and the Trump assassination just took him off the edge. US Democracy seem to be Destiny’s ideology. He seems to care so much about it. He is willing to go completely triggered defending it against Trump and his Cult. But what he forgets when he labels Progressives or MAGAz as lunatics is that may be they too have certain Ideologies that they care so much about even if many might look at them as woke or primitive. I can tell that Jan 6 hits close to home for Destiny. 😊😊
It’s definitely the case that Destiny has pulled a lot of punches recently, especially with some people who almost certainly did not deserve that level of decency.
What a great convo. Two great minds of our time. Really wish we could have delved further into Candace’s anti semitism but I think Sam was spot on calling her that.
I also noticed that Pun when I watched the loger version on Sam Harris Channel yesterday. Destiny had a little dig at Harris Transs topic obsession. 😂😂
True story. Yesterday around 5et after listening to some Destiny clips I wondered why he and Sam haven’t discussed yet. Low and behold 7et rolled around and I got the email. Weird.
I love Destiny when he talks to smart people. Steven's generally very capable of expressing intelligent opinions then. Rises to the challenge. He sometimes is dragged into the mire when talking to stupid people. Matches the stupidity with some of his more stupid points, digs his heels in over minutiae that doesn't matter. Doubles down over silly things. Drawn into low calibre battles where everyone ends up covered in excrement. When he's at his best though, very capable, smart guy. Sam's a good interlocutor to draw the best out of him. Can't wait to hear more. Always love listening to Destiny at his best. And even though she's (obviously) distracted, I often do it with Destiny's mum.
AJW Throws Partner Under The Bus In Debate And Response To Destiny
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Two of my favorite people talking. FINALLY
destiny play roblox and play dress to impress
"Alright, today I'm speaking with Steven Bonnell, also known as Destiny. Steven's an online schizophrenic, and one of the few black women in the political space with more popularity that Kamala Harris"
I couldn't help but read that with Sams voice in my head
😂😂😂
Right u people don't like sam Harris right?
@@NlNEFlNGERS huh?
@@respectfulgamer7232 well I know Hasans viewers freaked out when I said I liked hearing him speak but maybe I am conflating his special audience with destinies. Let me know. Ps I don't agree with everything Sam says but I respect the intellect. Same for destiny though id say I respect sam more than destiny to be honest
Everyone is really still in this clip. Cool that you got Candace, Ben and JBP, and they were so polite as to let you and Sam talk uninterrupted.
Ben is the closest of the 3 to a good faith convo. JBP has lost his fucking mind and Candice never had one to start with. JBP has also become incredibly dishonest and arrogant about his ignorance.
You missed Jordan sneezing loudly
Ladies first.
best comment
@@shanecorrigan8524I was disappointed no one said “bless you”, but I guess Steven did say he wanted to be more aggressive with these convos.
This audio quality is unreal. If only all podcasts had it like this.
Sam's setup is outrageous.
The guy that emailed Destiny about the “Magic Box Theory” is really getting the most bang for his buck
Never comment again your at the perfect amount on this channel
@@BenHere-qs6wjlol
@BenHere-qs6wj what does your comment mean?
Why don't you upload anymore?
Ayyyy, thats crazy lol used to see you guys popping and locking around town when i was like 16, now 10 yrs later we all dggers 👺
It's actually quite uncommon to hear a genuine Sam Harris laugh. Big W
He's speaking in this interview the same way he speaks in almost every interview
@@Socrates526yeah no shit
This guy is a pseudo intellectual with TDS, this guy is far from genuine
I just wonder what drugs he's on.. Hard to pinpoint..
@@bulkbogan4320 percocets I believe
Destiny is shocked, even perplexed that Sam Harris is mewing in the video
judgmentcallpodcast covers this. Debating influencers and their perspectives.
Very woke of the editor to put two black women in the thumbnail
what do you mean by this
Harris isn’t a black woman.
@@JakeCorrigan-c1wthere’s a meme of destiny being a black woman
I’ve been reading/listening to Harris since around 2008 or even earlier. I’ve almost never seen him agree more with someone. This was a great podcast and really brings a sanity to politics.
I really hope Sam and Destiny have more convos!
I just tried to sign up for Sams podcast to listen to the full episde and the ONLY option is a Full Year for $99 or another $69 option. That is IT no monthly option for $10-$15 is insane. How the hell does Sam Harris expect to grow his Podcast Subs if he will not allow people to try it for monthy basis?
@@Wallyworld30go to the subreddit, someone posted the full podcast link there.
@@Wallyworld30there’s a section under the sign up pages payment options where you can ask for a reduced rate and it allows you to pick a price as low as $10 of you are in need or feel it’s out of your budget. I signed up for the whole year at $40. I paid and I have full access for year.
@@Wallyworld30literally just enter you’re email lmao
I literally bought Sam Harris’s podcast subscription just for this episode. Used to be a long time listener (before the paywall lol) so this was a treat.
I also caved and bought it lol. Apparently he gives free subscriptions if you contact his staff, but you have to wait up to 10 days for a response... and I wanted the podcast NOW!
@@Nikifuj908 I've never waited more than 1 or 2 days, sometimes get a response within a couple hours lol
@@Jimbo5900 seriously. I wrote to them like twice I don’t recall seeing anything spam or inbox. Maybe it got lost in my inbox. But I did try. lol
Just a reminder, if you email Sam Harris' support email, you can ask for a free account and they will give you one.
If the Peterson convo was like the smart kid back from college getting into an argument with his very smart but ultimately kind of crazy uncle without trying to upset him too much at Thanksgiving, this is more like the smart kid chatting to his savvy and well-informed and kind of self-important other uncle at thanksgiving
Isn't this comment stolen from somewhere?
@@badicusvibesimus182 that was my reddit account so no
What poetic truth 😂
I want to see a 2v2 debate with Sam Harris and Destiny against Mehdi Hasan and Kyle Kulinski
Hasan and maybe equally so Kulinski are actual severe tards.
bro that's not even a good matchup, both Harris and Dman could school both of those guys 1v2 every time
@@griffinembry9071Fan boying much? 😅
It would be a spicy Israel debate.
Kyle kulinski isn’t in the same league as Sam or even Destiny.
Mehdi Hassan is a charlatan and too dishonest to talk with.
OMG Destiny is talking to Sam? This is my DREAM come true
One of the worst dreams one could have 😂😂
@kamii_999 What are your dreams? I want money. Lots of it.
you need better dreams
Something wrong with you?
Echo chamber is still strong. Sam is losing influence because he thinks he knows it all and demonizes the opposition.
You guys dont even know how much fanboy destiny is in this conversation, he has been talking about talking to Sam for years.... which is cute, Sam is a powerhouse, its understandable.
Destiny is like Sams predecessor. Passing the torch to a new era of intelectual dark web.
@@BiohazardProductG3 You mean successor? If so, I agree.
Cool! Really interested in this convo
I've always liked Sam honestly.
Not saying he's perfect, but he seems to be a good political adjacent figure and he's able to defend his beliefs with coherence.
I used to like him when I was young and naive but now I see him for the pseudo intellectual that he is, th3 guy hasn't been th3 same since Trump broke his brain 😂
he’s actually kind of perfect
@@ZombieLincoln666 perfectly stupid 🤣
@@kamii_999 Harris is definitely not stupid
@ZombieLincoln666 well he definitely isnt smart 🤣
So cool for destiny to platform smaller creators like Sam Harris
Pretty sure Sam Harris coined the phrase “market place of ideas”. He’s OG, glad to see him around. He speaks with clarity.
If it wasn't for his "wokeism is about to destroy the world" rhetoric I would agree.
Otherwise he is pretty good on most topics. The real moral panic about wokeism exist mostly within the right. Somehow Sam cannot break out and see that.
@@williammullinax6130I think part of it is his absence from social media for the past few years. When he was on Twitter it was still the far left crazies who had a take over of Twitter, he probably just hasn’t seen how unhinged the right wing people are with their “antiwokeism”. I’m against woke politics for the most part but some of these conservatives act like it’s going to be the end of the world.
Pretty sure? I think it was John Stuart mill a lot longer ago
@@williammullinax6130
I don't think he thinks it's going to destroy the world. He's certainly clear that he thinks the problems on the right are much more of concern than the ones on the left. He just doesn't like to talk about the same thing all the time, which may make him sometimes give more time (and thus presumptive importance) to certain topics.
I've always quite like Sam's way of thinking.
Until you get to international politics or his baffling blindness when it comes to anything related to Israel.
Alternative title: Sam and Steven trauma bonding.
😂
Love that Tiny has gotten this opportunity. Well deserved. As a long time enjoyer of Sam I’ll never understand the purity tests that take shots at this guy. Just listening to this conversation alone consolidates to me the idea these two have been some of the biggest influences in my mindset. Not to fanboy too much but a debate team with these two would be fun to watch.
Oha
Destiny
I think that if *Hitchens* was still around, he would have eventually decided to do a podcast (like Harris) and eventually would have Destiny.
@@KidVll I think you are confused. That Hitchens (Peter) is still alive and still dumb as a box of rocks.
@@KidVll I find it very difficult. (Just think what Trump and his followers defend.) As much as he disliked the Clintons, it would be like thinking that Hitchens would have become a Christian in order to criticize Islam. (He would most likely have criticized both Hillary and Trump.)
@@KidVll You gotta be out of your mind. The modern GOP is completely controlled by Evangelicals, who Hitchens despised. He would have seen Trump as a Falwell type.
@@LuisRomeroLopez You're right, Hitchens position was extremely nuanced, well thought out and always consistent due to these factors. He supported both PLA two state solution and end of West Bank occupation, was against zionism but also defended Israel's right to exist now within it's defined borders. Based on Hitchens dislike of authoritarianism and Putin I'm pretty sure he would support Harris, if nothing else because Harris is against Putin and will defend democracy something Trump has proven he doesn't care about.
@@KidVllThere’s a chance.. he hated the Clintons
Every time I see a new video, I'm excited!
Destiny more like cutie
Cutestiny
Yes and yes
Don't use that word. You may summon sneako.
@@dalodulo1373 oh god you’re right
Destiny pie
Love these intersectional discussions between a white man and a black woman. Really widens your perspective
Best crossover. Very interested, have been waiting for it
Best crossover was Trump x RFK jr.
@@kamii_999You have over 100 comments hating on Destiny 😂😂 You alright bro?
@@kamii_999holy
Absolute schizo
Best cross over? You right, you couldn’t put 2 better losers together to cope over their failures of getting ripped apart by the influencer gambit with their terrible ideas.
@@Green-tf8uw I wasn't talking about your parents
I want another sit down and philosophy focused this time - moral landscape baby ❤🎉
I loved every second of this one btw
The one thing I completely disagree with Destiny on is that there absolutely was a period of time when people's phones were listening to them and sending advertisements accordingly.
Never has a followup on Bridges been more needed. 2 hours with the topics fully prepared ahead of time would be pretty great.
As both a Sam and Destiny fan this pod was a breath of fresh air for both my Destiny-watching brain and my Sam-listening brain. It wasn't particularly adversarial but I think you both brought the best out of each other. I'd love a combined pod with you two, or a Bridges episode because this was the kind of sanity that I think the world needs.
Destiny makes a really good point here. How our world has become so opaque to scrutiny ...and the consequences. For virtually all of recorded history...the world and our lives were essentially organic. We could observe and ...to at least a reasonable degree...comprehend what we were observing. With the industrial revolution that began to change. With the arrival of electronics and, especially, semi-conductors and computers...everything is now utterly impenetrable. Even the experts often do not know what is going on. Thoreau once said..."The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." The desperation is a direct consequence of comfort level. The degree to which we feel we 'know' who we are and are in control of our environment. That control has effectively completely evaporated over the last century.
Two of my favorite people in the political commentary sphere getting together to talk finally holy shit.
These guys are tools and controlled opposition
@@ImbalancedDreams I don’t think you know what that word means.
Your circle is very small it seems.
Very interesting conversation. I’ll watch the full version.
This convo was just missing a debate about the moral landscape.
This is the duo we all deserve ! I need more than 11 minutes !!
Sam Harris is so FUCKING COOL
Fox News has a larger viewership than cnn and msnbc combined, Facebook I thought was more comprised of right wing posts by users and groups, but it’s hard to get exact figures, at the very least it’s 50/50, and Twitter is owned by Elon Musk. Conservatives think they don’t have a voice but the truth is they don’t have a “popular” voice. By that I mean that the cultural zeitgeist has pretty much always been on the side of progressives, and so conservatives do have a voice but the country at large isn’t as interested in what they have to say, and that frustrates them.
Conservative media is the most depressing thing ever. I am a liberal but even I get paranoid when I watch the things that they focus on. Crime this, Illegal Immigrants that, Trans kids this, the Government is trying to control our lives, EV’s are bad, Liberals hate America, Fauci, Mask Mandates, CRT, DEI etc. Hahaha. Conservatives are such fear based people it’s unbelievable. 😂😂😂
I wonder how much of that audience is there for entertainment rather than agreeing with the rhetoric they espouse. I know I watch it sometimes just to see how unhinged they are. It's been proven in court that people at Fox don't really believe their own drivel and they just tell people whatever gets them the most ratings, so it's not just supposition.
That's ironic to say, lol. Aged very poorly.
@@martymcfly88mph35 you're saying my sentiment aged poorly? Because I stand by it.. Popular isn't about numbers, it's about how much cultural sway it has. I'd argue most of your favorite musicians and artists are not conservative.
@Beardofred1986 id argue most musicians are regards. And sorry but Reddit is not real life
My two FAVORITE modern cultural/political commentators. HELL YEAH!!!!!!
I want to pay for the subscription but the cheap bastard in me wont allow me to 😢
I'm cheap too. I bought it, then canceled it, and I still have member access on YT.
@@aaronpannell6401how longs the full thing?
Just get it for free. I've payed for years an this year I said I'm making a break because I'm not sure about my work future.
@@alexvillalobos2057 1:45:00
@@aaronpannell6401is that not because you get charged immediately?
It finally happened!!! I can't wait for the full episode!!
Oh yeah, that’s good news, I was expecting to wait for weeks to hear this one!
I like that Sam doesn't care about his followers. He speaks what he believes and criticises all groups for whatever he thinks is wrong there unlike most influencers. The world can't be divided into two sides where one is entirely correct and other is wrong.
I love it when random people bring up MrGirl talking points and then getting the feeling that - in this case - Sam Harris just thinks 'huh it dos not make sense to talk to him about this' and they drop the topic. Loving it.
cannot believe Sam and Destiny are talking. One of those two-worlds-collide situations.
I think they essentially have the same exact beliefs so I’m not sure it’s worlds colliding but two worlds merging
@@Gphilly819 Yes, Steven and Sam are similar, BUT Destiny and Sam are very different.
@@Floormat212 depends on if you’re speaking to mr bonell or bonelli or borelli or borel
@@Gphilly819 Boner-elli is king
Such a great interview. Love this cross over
Congrats Steven, you've wanted this for a while.
I really generally respect Sam Harris but he goes full rtard a bit too many times when it comes to certain issues. Like the dumb "nazi" remarks.
Amazing convo!!
It was a great first chat and I anticipate more conversations between these two on a regular basis.
Can’t wait for this convo
Bro demoted rightwing intellectuals to influencers 😵
"Intellectuals"
Lmfao I guess the bar is low on the right huh ?
@@Bidenmytime lol... Jordan Peterson won multiple historic awards at University of Toronto, arguably our most famous tenured professor of all time. You likely live paycheque to paycheque lol
@@mavzer0 yeah but bro fell off hard in the last few years.
to be fair, I don't think Destiny wouldn't call himself an influencer
@mavzer0 he's probably smart enough to acknowledge people change. But go off, son.
FINALLY…..these two are like the same person lol. Sam is destiny with an education and a cool temper
He makes these decision to talk to these people because he’s not a coward
" Dr Peterson, what's your favorite color?"
"Well that depends what you mean by favorite, and it also depends what you mean by color. This is also a very complex question. One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a multi-layered metaphysical substrate, which many people fundamentally conflate with their ideological presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, causing the inadvertant dismissal of Jung's archetypal extrapolation of the quintessential axiomatic juxtaposition required to achieve Raskolnikov's magnutude of neo-Marxist existential nihilism..."
Ben Stiller becoming a member of the Daliban wasn't on my bingo card.
Imagine destiny and Harris talking to Peterson and Shapiro. Shapiro and Peterson are to independently stupid to team up against them 😂
All 4 of these guys are very intelligent. It's just a matter of which side of the fence you fall on.
@@esoterickaplan Peterson was never as intelligent as he thinks he is. The others have blind spots but are largely equal
@@esoterickaplan is there any thing that destiny and Harris have said that’s is as stupid as saying people whose houses become lost to rising sea levels can just sell them or that you can’t stop smoking without a mystical experience on mushrooms? I’d like to hear it if they have.
It's a strange self-propelling system of someone being politically influential and therefore important, but very sensitive to actual strong opposition, so then they need to be treated gently to engage with, but then that lack of opposition just legitimizes them even more.
The most surprising of these play nice showings was his tame showing at PBD. Around the same time Dave Pakman showed up and that was proper and extremely contentious as Pakman humiliated that whole crew on predictable fashion. I guess a close second would be Tim Pool.
Nick destroyed destiny in that debate on Fresh and fit
Wow. Sam and Destiny. Im super happy just to see this happen
Can we please get a longer version of this I love the idea of these two talking
it's linked in the description
@Rstudio44521 thank you man!
Is Destiny still doing his Trump manifesto or did that fizzle? I've been a bit out of the loop the last couple weeks.
still working on it. he done some focus groups on it that im pretty sure are up on the channel.
I cant believe he agreed to talk to you
I'm sure all the defending of Israel helped
Ye why would Destiny do that
Same. They agree on a lot of the substantive stuff but Destiny is so wildly different from Harris in his persona and demeanor that I never thought it would happen
@@jackied962 Wow, I wonder if you believe in antisemitic conspiracies or not...
Sam Harris is not as bad as other morons.
Destiny looks like Gerrard butler in this thumbnail
he wishes
Pic is 8/10, reality 2/10
This is a bit hilarious being that Sam is so bad at distancing himself from horrible people - Eric Weinstein, Charles Murray, Douglas Murray, Jordan B. etc.
The first second I thought this was A.I
How many people here actually listened to the full thing for 100 bucks? Hell, I'll pay 10 bucks to listen to that one conversation, but I don't want to sign up for a whole year!
you can make a free account they grant all the requests
I've so been expecting this, my list had been thicked off this year, I wanted to see
1. Destiny and Ben shapirio
2. Destiny and Alex o Connor
3. Destiny and candace owens
4. Destiny and Sam Harris
This is just amazing.
5. Oh let's not forget the OG, Destiny and Andrew tate and his armies of NPCs😂😂😂😂
Sam said 🤨 and Steven said 😠
I hate destiny’s views & I love that he’s willing to go to war with ANYONE, huge respect for this crazy guy… we need people like him, we need DEBATE
Lmao the ending of this clip..
I like how Sam Harris speaks out against dilettantes and then invites Destiny on the pod 😂
One of the main mistake he made with Candace was to invite her to his place. It gave a somewhat vibe he was talking to a friend.
With Peterson, it sounded like an interview, Destiny barely spoke while Peterson was serving all of his unhinged shit.
Listening to Sam at the end STILL talking about Jan 6 like people give a shit or like it was an "insurrection" is just so wonderfully funny. Yes, Sam, you're right. The dudes who all own guns decided to show up to a single building and overthrow the entirety of the government without bringing any of their weapons and their incitement to go inside the building was caused by some old man yelling "let's go inside", while they get led around by police and take selfies and while a small minority throw shit at the building and yell stupid shit. Truly democracy was under attack on that fabled day that shall live on in people's heads forever.
the Candace Owens interview to me really exemplified just how much leeway Destiny was willing to give Candace that he did not and does not give to progressives like the hosts of The Majority report, or Cenk Uygur. Who he's now been very nice to lately, probably because they debated Biden dropping out. Cenk was adament about how much it would help the Democratic party. Destiny was opposed.
Seeing him interact with left wing commentators, he gives them zero benefit of the doubt, holds their feet to the fire quicker etc. With Candace, he seemed to intimidated to call out Candace's BS, as he'd normally do, others.
what lol
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i said that the candace owens interview showed the double standard destiny has for progressive commentators than nazi defending, bad faith actors on the right like candace owens.
His debates/discussions and his general attitude towards left leaning commentators such as cenk, sam seder, kyle kulinski etc. also showcases this. 👍
Audience capture is what Destiny was doing up until Jan 6, and the Trump assassination just took him off the edge. US Democracy seem to be Destiny’s ideology. He seems to care so much about it. He is willing to go completely triggered defending it against Trump and his Cult. But what he forgets when he labels Progressives or MAGAz as lunatics is that may be they too have certain Ideologies that they care so much about even if many might look at them as woke or primitive. I can tell that Jan 6 hits close to home for Destiny. 😊😊
It’s definitely the case that Destiny has pulled a lot of punches recently, especially with some people who almost certainly did not deserve that level of decency.
Wild that Destiny just found out two years ago how US elections work.
What a great convo. Two great minds of our time. Really wish we could have delved further into Candace’s anti semitism but I think Sam was spot on calling her that.
Sam Harris is certainly one of the people of our time
Mr borelli forgets his convo with finklestein. Maybe blacked it out of his mind.
Would love to listen to the entire conversation.
1 view in 25 seconds???
I forgot the rest
bro fell off frfr
Been listening to both these dudes for so long. FINALLY.
Wow. That`s a big collab. I've never ever dreamed of it. I'm totally jawdropped.
Two genocidal Zionists collide
Where can I listen to the entire discussion
the description
I am newer to Destiny and his "empathetic but still 'fighty'" interviews b/c I feel he can reach more people who could be swayed to reason.
Sam Harris is the voice of reason and emotional maturity society so desperately needs
The anti-Harris zing at the end is ballsy. Pun kinda intended.
I also noticed that Pun when I watched the loger version on Sam Harris Channel yesterday. Destiny had a little dig at Harris Transs topic obsession. 😂😂
Been waiting for this
I cant believe how much he has grown in the last two years makes me happy
True story. Yesterday around 5et after listening to some Destiny clips I wondered why he and Sam haven’t discussed yet. Low and behold 7et rolled around and I got the email. Weird.
It was destiny
he will not let go of this arms and legs metaphor
Not seing Sam Harris face, he starts to sound like Vegan Gains dad or sometihng.
I love Destiny when he talks to smart people. Steven's generally very capable of expressing intelligent opinions then. Rises to the challenge.
He sometimes is dragged into the mire when talking to stupid people. Matches the stupidity with some of his more stupid points, digs his heels in over minutiae that doesn't matter. Doubles down over silly things. Drawn into low calibre battles where everyone ends up covered in excrement.
When he's at his best though, very capable, smart guy.
Sam's a good interlocutor to draw the best out of him. Can't wait to hear more. Always love listening to Destiny at his best.
And even though she's (obviously) distracted, I often do it with Destiny's mum.
Where is the full podcast??
Bro, look in the video description.
Anyone know why destiny chose to go with the #1 stripper name?
Is there a longer clip than this?
On Sam’s channel
Destiny, congrats on getting to share a conversation with the brain behind Sam Harris. Take all status or clout out of it, and this is still peak.
I think Destiny regretted engaging with Naked Ape. Naked Ape is fucking insane.