This is exactly what iv been looking for, for years because Dave has some lightning fast fills and it’s hard to break them down slowly to practice them.
It's basically an accentuation pattern based on the use of triple subgrouping (not triplets) in a metric context with originally duple subdivision, resulting in polyrhythm pattern 2 against 3 (2 subgroups against 3 beats in the metronome). With 3 beats already played you just add the 4th beat to complete the bar. You can also formulate this pattern as an irregular meter in 8/8 (3+3+2). Very common pattern in all kinds of popular music including Metal.
Wow, awesome tip John! Can't believe I missed this one. I've been playing these beats for years, But never thought about the accents. Knowing the approach to one's playing, Opens up so many doors.. If that makes any sense.
Basically, one of Dave Lomardo's main go to's the the snare intro to Murders in the Rogue Morgue by Iron Maidens own Clive Burr (RIP). Dave has good taste!
Dave's left handed but plays right , you are left but play left , in my opinion you are absolutely the best drummer to sit in for slayer , not hating on Paul , I think he was best in testament
Can you do a video on strength and stamina training? I used to be able to play really well through entire live Metallica albums, anthrax, megadeth etc… I ended up doing some damage to my wriest so I had to stop playing for a while. Now I struggle with playing some of the simplest stuff and get burnt out very quickly.
Jon have you considered investing in a mic and desk set up for these clips? Your prestige and talent deserves proper audio mate Ps long time follower, since the days you had 8 toms
Maybe Dette used left accents, here, for clarity & ease of learning. I seem to remember him accenting with (& leading with) alternating feet, in another video, so it's not a lack of competency, if I could be so direct.
Jon, I respect your playing, but this brought up one of the things that have been wrong with my playing for 30 years. I was a metal cat from the beginning and Lombardo and Menza and Ulrich etc were my influences. You were somewhere there too with Testament and Slayer. It’s highly problematic. All of this is single stroke stuff. None of these cats utilized much double strokes in fills. That’s where Weckl and Colaiuta came in for me. It literally took a decade of un-learning all this shit and being so stiff and doing all this stuff to just relax and let the drum head rebound. Please don’t take this as an attack, it’s just some retroactive analysis of what held me back. The answer is simple - metal. It was cool and all but being so committed to one genre limits you and I so wish I could have those years back and listen to more than metal. I could have been so much better.
I have the opposite problem, went from playing Jon Theodore Mars Volta beats - all loose and fluid, to playing entire songs of blastbeats, where such looseness is a hindrance!
This is exactly what iv been looking for, for years because Dave has some lightning fast fills and it’s hard to break them down slowly to practice them.
When Jon is warmed up and cooking, he plays with SUCH power!!! He doesn't phone in a thing. Every hit is a kick in the face! 🤘
That's absolutely Awesome!! 👍👍👍😎✅
It's basically an accentuation pattern based on the use of triple subgrouping (not triplets) in a metric context with originally duple subdivision, resulting in polyrhythm pattern 2 against 3 (2 subgroups against 3 beats in the metronome). With 3 beats already played you just add the 4th beat to complete the bar. You can also formulate this pattern as an irregular meter in 8/8 (3+3+2). Very common pattern in all kinds of popular music including Metal.
Can we get a cover of Killing Fields please?!!
Wow, awesome tip John! Can't believe I missed this one. I've been playing these beats for years, But never thought about the accents. Knowing the approach to one's playing, Opens up so many doors.. If that makes any sense.
Nicko actually made this same accent pattern into a beat. Loneliness of the long distance runner for ex.
Basically, one of Dave Lomardo's main go to's the the snare intro to Murders in the Rogue Morgue by Iron Maidens own Clive Burr (RIP). Dave has good taste!
Great points Well made.
Thanks for this, truly helpful.
The 2013 Poland Woodstock where he drummed for Anthrax was fucking epic!!!!
perfection, thanks man
Yesss, I’ve been waiting for this one. Thanks Jon D.
Great channel- Great work. Thank you.
Wishing you a killer season, man. Keep it up
Thanks, Jon! Very useful fill 🤘
Thx for your tips Jon !
Excellent tips Jon👍🤙🥁🤙👍!!!
Excellent Jon, can you please tell us about your kit?
Oh man thank you very much!
Great tip thanks Jon
Ok let’s do something like this of every band 🤣
Thanks a lot!
The king 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Damn dude this is sick….
Jon Dette is a very talented however vicious animal behind the drum kit! You gotta love this guy! Impeccable drumming 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘 All Hail
Most of this fills are in World Painted Blood song
Am I right?
Wow!
Dave's left handed but plays right , you are left but play left , in my opinion you are absolutely the best drummer to sit in for slayer , not hating on Paul , I think he was best in testament
like it bro!
Can you do a video on strength and stamina training? I used to be able to play really well through entire live Metallica albums, anthrax, megadeth etc… I ended up doing some damage to my wriest so I had to stop playing for a while. Now I struggle with playing some of the simplest stuff and get burnt out very quickly.
3:10 war ensemble comes to mind
For those wondering, this accent pattern is 2 dotted 8th notes with a regular 8th note.
S - - S - - S -
Jon have you considered investing in a mic and desk set up for these clips? Your prestige and talent deserves proper audio mate
Ps long time follower, since the days you had 8 toms
It all started from " Wipeout "
🤘🤘🤘
Yep, very Dave Lombardo indeed.
Thanks
Suicide Note Part II. 🤘🏽
Jammin'!
there it is
Sub Jonny, is already done !
I didn't know that adam22 shreds drums
👍🤘💥
And then Jon said he's not warmed up 😵
Lombardo accents both left and right.
Maybe Dette used left accents, here, for clarity & ease of learning. I seem to remember him accenting with (& leading with) alternating feet, in another video, so it's not a lack of competency, if I could be so direct.
Here-
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War ensemble
A left handed drummer is so much easier to learn from.
Jon, I respect your playing, but this brought up one of the things that have been wrong with my playing for 30 years. I was a metal cat from the beginning and Lombardo and Menza and Ulrich etc were my influences. You were somewhere there too with Testament and Slayer. It’s highly problematic. All of this is single stroke stuff. None of these cats utilized much double strokes in fills. That’s where Weckl and Colaiuta came in for me. It literally took a decade of un-learning all this shit and being so stiff and doing all this stuff to just relax and let the drum head rebound. Please don’t take this as an attack, it’s just some retroactive analysis of what held me back. The answer is simple - metal. It was cool and all but being so committed to one genre limits you and I so wish I could have those years back and listen to more than metal. I could have been so much better.
I have the opposite problem, went from playing Jon Theodore Mars Volta beats - all loose and fluid, to playing entire songs of blastbeats, where such looseness is a hindrance!
The accents are on 1, & of 2 and 4