@@mechablade4756nah rage trunks was better. If Gohan can pull beast out of his ass why not my boy trunks. He actually went through shit, he deserved it.
Its due to their DNA having both saiyan and human DNA gave them boost,As saiyan are stated to become stronger when near death like human also have the same feature like adrenaline Which may give them boost by 50 percent
Gohan and Future Trunks Both of them Have Best Masters Future Gohan and Piccolo That's why they made those characters special and Unique of Other Saiyans and Especially they are hybrid Saiyans with Uncharted Potentials ❤
Future Gohan lacked the training his counterpart did as his father died of heart virus! During the battle against Future 17 & 18, Future Gohan fled the battlefield with the aid of Bulma & infant Future Trunks, in order to find the Dragon Balls to hopefully get rid of the Androids (presumably by wishing them off world as while Shenron cannot kill anyone himself if they are stronger than Kami, he can presumably transport them off planet to hopefully a barren world or even into the vaccum of space)! Unfortunately, Future Pilaf made a wish to be younger, turning himself Future Mai & Future Shu into infants (hence why Future Mai is younger)! Unfortunately, this was the final wish made using the Earth DBs as Piccolo died soon afterwards! With Piccolo and the rest of the Z Fighters killed (save for Future Yajirobe in the DBS anime), Future Gohan was left as the sole survivor without his dad, Piccolo, or even Vegeta to guide him in becoming stronger! Without mentors, Future Gohan was forced to take on the role of Earth's sole protector until Future Trunks was old enough for him to train! Unfortunately, Future Gohan, like many Saiyans before him, assumed SSJ was the pinnacle of Saiyan strength, never even contemplating the possibility there was a way to ascend beyond it as he lacked the experience & Saiyan instincts that Goku & Vegeta have! If given similar opportunities as main timeline Gohan, I have no doubt Future Gohan would be able to be as strong as if not more so than his counterpart as due to the hellish timeline he lives in, I'd imagine he'd be more vigilante in his training thus would be far less likely to backslide in times of peace like his counterpart does! Not to mention, he'd probably push himself to get even stronger to maintain peace! Here's hoping in the new future timeline Future Trunks & Future Mai fled to after the destruction of their Future's multiverse, that they were able to convince Future Beerus to have Future Whis resurrect the Future Gohan of the new future timeline (Android 17 & 18 aren't demons so Future Whis could easily resurrect Future Gohan provided it was an order from Future Beerus)!
I still don't understand the reason behind Beast Gohan, besides a new transformation & more power. Pan was never in danger, so what's with the rage transformation?
True but he did eventually surpass his own future father’s SS1 form when he overpowered the future androids and he did surpass present Vegeta again during the goku black arc in where he was shown getting the drop on goku black/Future Zamasu and fused zamasu at times.
The main reason is because Goku And Vegeta Can't Use Their Emotions To Achieve A Power Up They Always Have To Traines Their Ass Unlike Trunks And Gohan
In the case of Future Trunks in DBZ, he had access to SSJ cause he achieved it in his own timeline (in the manga it was before Future Gohan's death as he utilizes the form against Future Gohan in his training & he presumably had an easy time achieving it early much like his main timeline counterpart did, though in The History of Trunks special/TV movie it was after Future Gohan's death as it was changed so struggles to achieve it to make the reveal of his transformation more dramatic)! However, Future Vegeta achieved his SSJ form before the conflict with the Androids! Future Trunks just had SSJ cause he was a time traveling hybrid Saiyan who achieved his SSJ form in his own time! Yes, he technically was the second SSJ & first hybrid Super Saiyan to physically appear in the main timeline, but Vegeta was the second Saiyan to awaken the form within the main timeline as Future Trunks was already a SSJ before using the Time Machine! Yes, Future Trunks has a lot of potential, but he was mostly inexperienced with transformation due losing his mentor in Future Gohan, which is why he failed to recognize the flaws of SSJ 3rd Grade/SSJ 1.5, mistakenly believing he had surpassed Vegeta until Perfect Cell made him aware of the muscular form's drawback of hindering the user's speed which is why Vegeta only used SSJ 2nd Grade as it bulked up his muscles while not effecting his speed, though the form lacked the energy efficiency & clear mind of SSJ 4th Grade/Mastered SSJ which Goku developed after recognizing the drawbacks of both ascended forms! Future Trunks had the benefit of having achieved his transformation in a different, less peaceful timeline and making him seek to eliminate threats quickly to avoid the development of another Future like his own, hence why he eliminated Frieza, King Cold, Future 17, Future 18, Future Cell, & Future Dabura as soon as long as he had the power to do so! Future Trunks also has to fight in a world where he's the only surviving Z Fighter, with limited support from the likes of Future Mai (in the anime, he also has the Earth's Resistance & Future Yajirobe until they are killed off by Infinite Zamasu) who lacks the martial arts skill and relies on military weaponry to make up for it! Still, he also benefits from spending time around the Z Fighters of the main timeline who help him grow via example (Gohan showed him the untapped potential that Future Gohan never achieved in his lifetime & what hybrids like himself were capable of, Vegeta & Goku helped him realize there was a power beyond SSJ, & his own battle with Perfect Cell helped him realize the folly of overconfidence & his own inexperience, making him determined to eliminate Future Cell to ensure he couldn't repeat the same cycle that occurred in Cell's timeline)!
Gohan didn’t work ‘hard’ at all. Bro literally became a weak skinny lazy nerd who didn’t give af about training or fighting and only trained a little bit before top. He then fought in the Moro arc for a bit and got his ass whooped then he slacked off again and when super hero arrived he was still lazy and skinny until somehow he just magically got buff by getting mad and managed to asspull beast gohan simply out of nowhere. Future trunks trained and fought most of his life to get to where he’s at. Gohan stopped training and fighting properly once the Buu saga ended
I think that in the black Frieza arc Goten and Trunks will mature as they see everything falling apart and who knows it might give them a new exclusive power up
You don’t have to have had a good teacher to be a good teacher yourself. If you become good at something, then teach it, arguably not having had a teacher is better. Because you know the things you could’ve used guidance on, and the things you can “brush over” and not waste valuable time on.
After Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero I think he's dead just cause of the time skip. So unless they do a story in-between the Granola arc and Super Hero then probably not.
All these years later, im still really sad about future gohan. He actually became the kind of person all the fans bitched and complain about main continuity gohan NOT being yet hes barely ever talked about.
Let's not forget, present trunks in Goten we're able to achieve super Saiyan 3 when they fused and to got tanks. Which technically makes them surpass Goten and Future trunks.
Imagine, we could have an amazing Manga/Anime about Gohan succeding Goku and unlocking new tiers of powers and all... But fans butched around and now we only get Goku and Vegeta
Saiyans powers are tied to their emotions which the saiyan race has become mostly detached from. Even though Goku was raised on earth by humans and has developed human emotions, his saiyan instinct didn't let him really tap into his powers until Freiza killed Krillin on Namek, allowing him to turn SSJ out of fury. Emotions come easy to half breeds which allows them to tap into their potential much easier. Gohan first experienced this when Radiz kidnapped him when he was just a child. Gohan got angry, broke out of his pod and severely damaged Radiz. Also tied to the reason he was able to reach SSJ2 much easier than Goku and Vegeta.
it looks like hybrid saiyans cant access the power of gods because they resort to primitive and beastly forms while goku and vegeta can achieve forms that rival the gods, so thats why the hybrid saiyans will always be behind goku and vegeta
Well... mostly just Gohan now, since unfortunately, we'll probably never see Future Trunks again and Vegeta had well surpassed Future Trunks with SSJBE and UE.
Akira has explained this long ago and people still ask "why, how, what, when" whenever it comes to Gohan easily surpassing Goku and Vegeta. Hybrids are simply built different, they don't need to do nearly the same amount of struggle pure saiyans do, they just need a soul crushing moment to spark that hidden power up and boom. Literally that's their whole point, they are the upgrades of the Saiyan race. (And no, broly is a mutation of the race, 2 different categories)
Has anyone realized that Frieza and King Cold are most likely the first people that Trunks ever killed? And he was only 17 years old; managed to EASILY kill the most feared space pirates of the universe at the time. Think about everybody else’s first kills, who they killed werent anywhere close to the level of Frieza.
Why do Goten and Trunks need to fight? They should be allowed to have a childhood. Future Trunks never had that and was forced to be a warrior, same as Gohan as a child. While they could be as strong, it's their decision too
The answer is "rage,"I guess. Everyone in ragon Ball grows in power when their upset because everyone is holding back for the sake of a good fight. For some reason, these two seem to surpass the craziest limits despite only having half of the Saiyan warrior genes. It's almost like the less Saiyan you are, the stronger you can be, but if you completely lack Saiyan cells, you're cooked.
If Gohan and Trucks trained even half as much their fathers did, they'd be far above them. Goku and Vegeta have literally spent their entire lives training. In the OG Dragonball, Goku spent his entire childhood finding new masters to train with, fighting every fighter he came across and trying to be stronger. We can assume Vegeta spent most of his childhood training as well considering he was actually raised with other Saiyans during time when they were actively conquering planets/civilizations. Meanwhile Gohan and Trucks have generally only been serious about training when there was a serious threat present... After it's over they just go back to living a normal life until the need to train arises. I think the mixed blood has the effect of giving them stronger potential, but the downside is they don't have the Saiyan drive to become the strongest they can be. For Saiyans, fighting is like a drug. Goku literally gets giddy/excited the second he finds someone who may be able to challenge him
Tbf future Trunks became a super saiyan way after his own Vegeta did. So he technically didn’t surpass Vegeta. Instead he just traveled to a point in time Vegeta wasn’t as strong as him. Even after that I don’t feel he ever truly surpassed Vegeta like Gohan has Goku at different points.
Everybody is talking about vegeta and goku having a kid. Imagine what happens if broly reproduces. Especially with I believe Kale's similar abilities? Could be caulifla but i doubt it. Positive its Kale
I mean the most likely reason as towards why present gohan got beast and future gohan didn’t was probably because of him not going through elder Kai’s unlock ability ritual specifically before he passed unlike present gohan did in the main timeline since the beast form was confirmed to be a state derived from his ultimate form in question in a comment post by the late great toriyama.
@@christopher4249 we as dragon ball fans will ALWAYS find to explain anything in question logically, and always makes sense, im proud of that actually, no matter if we sometimes cope with that
Tbf Gohan was dealing with planet busting shit from the moment he learned how to walk. Vegeta, Broly(although the Z Broly is not canon) and Cell are prime examples of this Future Trunks didnt had it that much easier either
ignoring the part where even though it's overly player for comedy(FOR SOME REASON. IT'S NOT FUNNY ANYMORE) the little trunks and goten are basically the acting masters of fusion and unlocked Super Sayian 3 on their own in a fraction of the time it took Goku who was only able to figure it out CUZ HE WAS DEAD and couldn't really be fatigued in heaven. Not to mention how casually they super sayian'd younger than even gohan, in peaceful times no less. it just plays to them being used for comedy outside of the current super manga, and even then still.
Future Trunks never surpassed Vegeta. He claimed he did when using ultra Ssj, which technically yes, but Vegeta could have used it too but wasn't dumb enough. Future Trunks only surpassed Vegeta in stupidity
Rage Trunks looked like Krillin for a sec 💀
Omg
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No bro you are trippin 😴
@@Popo_Plays right at the end where he says they have to whiteness then fall apart
No tf he doesn’t
Trunks and Goten lived in times of peace. They had no need to be stronger.
Yeah they fight for fun, not survival...
thats the thing with hybrids due to them living in peace is they have greater power thats what toriyama said
They also jump mofos at the least issue 🤣😭
@@EcChivo so funny bro had to type it two times 💀💀🙏
@@EcChivo so funny bro had to type it two times 💀💀🙏
Strong as plot demands
Piccolo drinking nothing but water to survive but being amazing at grilling is the funniest thing
I AM THE GRILL MASTER
Piccolo best teacher
Just a reminder for everyone, SSJ Rage was a Toei anime only form. He never surpassed them in the manga.
Really? Damn they be cooking hot in manga
@@mechablade4756 no goku black in the manga is a disgrace compared to the anime
butttt i hate anime kale
@@mechablade4756nah rage trunks was better. If Gohan can pull beast out of his ass why not my boy trunks. He actually went through shit, he deserved it.
also ssj rage didnt suprass them, just the spirit sword was strong enough to kill zamasu but not the form
@@MozirMikoto It didn't even kill him, just destroyed his "immortal/divine" body
Its due to their DNA having both saiyan and human DNA gave them boost,As saiyan are stated to become stronger when near death like human also have the same feature like adrenaline Which may give them boost by 50 percent
Damn I never thought about that
Yeah But Broly > All Of Them Still
@@mando7323 yeah I agree broly got a Hugeee BOOST
@@mando7323 Broly is like a mutated Saiyan, the normal rules don't even remotely apply.
Broly is just the equivalent of those humans who have insane freak strength for almost no reason
That human side plus training, humans emotions are undefeated!
Gohan and Future Trunks Both of them Have Best Masters Future Gohan and Piccolo That's why they made those characters special and Unique of Other Saiyans and Especially they are hybrid Saiyans with Uncharted Potentials ❤
Even before Piccolo, Gohan would show signs of having extreme power though. I'm sure that hoped to refine it, but he always had it in him...
Future Gohan lacked the training his counterpart did as his father died of heart virus! During the battle against Future 17 & 18, Future Gohan fled the battlefield with the aid of Bulma & infant Future Trunks, in order to find the Dragon Balls to hopefully get rid of the Androids (presumably by wishing them off world as while Shenron cannot kill anyone himself if they are stronger than Kami, he can presumably transport them off planet to hopefully a barren world or even into the vaccum of space)! Unfortunately, Future Pilaf made a wish to be younger, turning himself Future Mai & Future Shu into infants (hence why Future Mai is younger)! Unfortunately, this was the final wish made using the Earth DBs as Piccolo died soon afterwards!
With Piccolo and the rest of the Z Fighters killed (save for Future Yajirobe in the DBS anime), Future Gohan was left as the sole survivor without his dad, Piccolo, or even Vegeta to guide him in becoming stronger! Without mentors, Future Gohan was forced to take on the role of Earth's sole protector until Future Trunks was old enough for him to train! Unfortunately, Future Gohan, like many Saiyans before him, assumed SSJ was the pinnacle of Saiyan strength, never even contemplating the possibility there was a way to ascend beyond it as he lacked the experience & Saiyan instincts that Goku & Vegeta have!
If given similar opportunities as main timeline Gohan, I have no doubt Future Gohan would be able to be as strong as if not more so than his counterpart as due to the hellish timeline he lives in, I'd imagine he'd be more vigilante in his training thus would be far less likely to backslide in times of peace like his counterpart does! Not to mention, he'd probably push himself to get even stronger to maintain peace! Here's hoping in the new future timeline Future Trunks & Future Mai fled to after the destruction of their Future's multiverse, that they were able to convince Future Beerus to have Future Whis resurrect the Future Gohan of the new future timeline (Android 17 & 18 aren't demons so Future Whis could easily resurrect Future Gohan provided it was an order from Future Beerus)!
Congratulations on essay my dumb self can't read 👏👏👏👏👏👏🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Beast gohan 💀
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Yep he stranger then he's dad ultra instinct
I still don't understand the reason behind Beast Gohan, besides a new transformation & more power. Pan was never in danger, so what's with the rage transformation?
@@labo8719 picollo in danger against cell max
@@labo8719 piccolo died (idk if he actually) to cell max
It's Piccolo. His training program was very effective, and Gohan passed it on to future Trunks.
Tbh, Trunks NEVER surpassed Vegeta,he was only initially stronger because he knew ssj, never again he was able to surpass Vegeta
True but he did eventually surpass his own future father’s SS1 form when he overpowered the future androids and he did surpass present Vegeta again during the goku black arc in where he was shown getting the drop on goku black/Future Zamasu and fused zamasu at times.
Trunks kno his dad has a lot of pride as a sysain so if he does hav a power up higher then his dad he wouldn't show it till it's a do or die time
I would say he was at least on par if not surpassing vegeta in the zamasu arc with his rage form.
trunks beat tf outta vegeta
and super saiyan grade 3 trunks>super saiyan grade 2 vegeta
In the Cell saga it was stated he was stronger but held back because of vegetas pride
_plot armor_ *that's the answer* 😂
Cuz the writing demands it due to painting themselves in a corner with Goku and Vegeta being so powerful.
The main reason is because Goku And Vegeta Can't Use Their Emotions To Achieve A Power Up They Always Have To Traines Their Ass Unlike Trunks And Gohan
Goten and Kid Trunks were living in relatively peaceful times.
Poor future Gohan
In the case of Future Trunks in DBZ, he had access to SSJ cause he achieved it in his own timeline (in the manga it was before Future Gohan's death as he utilizes the form against Future Gohan in his training & he presumably had an easy time achieving it early much like his main timeline counterpart did, though in The History of Trunks special/TV movie it was after Future Gohan's death as it was changed so struggles to achieve it to make the reveal of his transformation more dramatic)! However, Future Vegeta achieved his SSJ form before the conflict with the Androids! Future Trunks just had SSJ cause he was a time traveling hybrid Saiyan who achieved his SSJ form in his own time! Yes, he technically was the second SSJ & first hybrid Super Saiyan to physically appear in the main timeline, but Vegeta was the second Saiyan to awaken the form within the main timeline as Future Trunks was already a SSJ before using the Time Machine!
Yes, Future Trunks has a lot of potential, but he was mostly inexperienced with transformation due losing his mentor in Future Gohan, which is why he failed to recognize the flaws of SSJ 3rd Grade/SSJ 1.5, mistakenly believing he had surpassed Vegeta until Perfect Cell made him aware of the muscular form's drawback of hindering the user's speed which is why Vegeta only used SSJ 2nd Grade as it bulked up his muscles while not effecting his speed, though the form lacked the energy efficiency & clear mind of SSJ 4th Grade/Mastered SSJ which Goku developed after recognizing the drawbacks of both ascended forms!
Future Trunks had the benefit of having achieved his transformation in a different, less peaceful timeline and making him seek to eliminate threats quickly to avoid the development of another Future like his own, hence why he eliminated Frieza, King Cold, Future 17, Future 18, Future Cell, & Future Dabura as soon as long as he had the power to do so! Future Trunks also has to fight in a world where he's the only surviving Z Fighter, with limited support from the likes of Future Mai (in the anime, he also has the Earth's Resistance & Future Yajirobe until they are killed off by Infinite Zamasu) who lacks the martial arts skill and relies on military weaponry to make up for it!
Still, he also benefits from spending time around the Z Fighters of the main timeline who help him grow via example (Gohan showed him the untapped potential that Future Gohan never achieved in his lifetime & what hybrids like himself were capable of, Vegeta & Goku helped him realize there was a power beyond SSJ, & his own battle with Perfect Cell helped him realize the folly of overconfidence & his own inexperience, making him determined to eliminate Future Cell to ensure he couldn't repeat the same cycle that occurred in Cell's timeline)!
Future Gohan looked dope!
nah we fr need a new form for trunks💀💀💀💀☠️
They might have the perfect mixture of s cells and human cells
My mind : Hybrid genetics, too op potential, and good guidance
My heart : "A**PULL"
Gohan and Future Trunks had to work hard in order to unlock their potential. They deserve their respective power ups.
Future Trunks did NOT surpass Golu and Vegeta, calm down 💀
Gohan didn’t work ‘hard’ at all. Bro literally became a weak skinny lazy nerd who didn’t give af about training or fighting and only trained a little bit before top. He then fought in the Moro arc for a bit and got his ass whooped then he slacked off again and when super hero arrived he was still lazy and skinny until somehow he just magically got buff by getting mad and managed to asspull beast gohan simply out of nowhere. Future trunks trained and fought most of his life to get to where he’s at. Gohan stopped training and fighting properly once the Buu saga ended
@@T_MassterHe did in the anime. It was pretty clear. He was throwing hands and defeated fused corrupted zamasu.
@@cr23wx18somebody hasn’t watched dragonball since 2013 and it shows.
The PTSD is scrumptious
Bro goku with ultra instinct seeing this video:”YOU DEAD”
There are Saiyan hybrids and they have lots of potential 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Idk why bro your voice hits nostalgia
In the first encounter with Vegeta, didn't he say that mixed offsprings are hearty & he wanted to test out the theory.
*insert indomitable human spirit joke here*
Trunks came from the future though when Vegeta wasn’t a Super Saiyan. 😂
Dude with the ripped pants
GOATen
Naw Gohan has the blood of the Ox King flowing through his veins.
Gohan is this strong thanks to the allmighty asspull
Linkin Park said it best "Hybrid Theory"
Make a video of Goku attacks only
Two words: plot convenience
The real reason for it: PLOT, that's why.
Ss2 gohan is a good example of a transformation but Beast came straight up from nowhere
I think that in the black Frieza arc Goten and Trunks will mature as they see everything falling apart and who knows it might give them a new exclusive power up
Future trunks and gohan are goats
Vegeta says he heard half bloods have great potential in Saiyan saga
You said Future Gohan lacked a great teacher and training regime, but wasn’t he the one who taught future Trunks?
You don’t have to have had a good teacher to be a good teacher yourself. If you become good at something, then teach it, arguably not having had a teacher is better. Because you know the things you could’ve used guidance on, and the things you can “brush over” and not waste valuable time on.
Are we gonna see Granola again?
After Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero I think he's dead just cause of the time skip. So unless they do a story in-between the Granola arc and Super Hero then probably not.
Yes I'm sure we are. I'm sure they found a way to save him. It's not dragonballs style to offscreen kill a major character like that
They might revive him with the dragon balls and use him for the arc where they fight Black Frezia.
All these years later, im still really sad about future gohan.
He actually became the kind of person all the fans bitched and complain about main continuity gohan NOT being yet hes barely ever talked about.
Tournament of power
Ngl if goten takes martial arts seriously, holy s*** he gonna be strong
Let's not forget, present trunks in Goten we're able to achieve super Saiyan 3 when they fused and to got tanks.
Which technically makes them surpass Goten and Future trunks.
Wow😮
Vegeta surpassed future Trunk by a mile though, Trunks couldn't even touch SSB.
If goten trained like gohan and trunks he would be just as powerful if not more.
Plot🚬
Just like every anime🗿🎩
To me it's because hybrid saiyans have higher potential than pure blooded saiyans
Not more than Broly tho
Trunks literally came from the future for that arc, it's not like he learned how to achieve ssj in the same timeline as his father.
I kinda wanna see teen trunks "fake dying" like piccolo did in super heroes and Goten unlocking like ssj 2
It's like in Invincible where Mark has adrenaline which allows him to get stronger than anyone. That makes the most sense
Imagine, we could have an amazing Manga/Anime about Gohan succeding Goku and unlocking new tiers of powers and all...
But fans butched around and now we only get Goku and Vegeta
Beast Gohan be getting WASHED by UI sign goku
You should probably go back and read the latest dbs chapter. Beast Gohan knocks Goku out of MUI with one punch.
@@jarredfiedler5811 my gut is saying Goku was going easy but my brain saying the opposite HALP
Why do we get to see so much Teen Trunks and never Teen Goten lol. Would be amazing to finally get a Teen Gotenks
Where would Future trucks be on power scaling if he never went back. Stayed to train with Gohan and Piccolo?
One word: Plot. There’s no reason they should even be close considering how hard Goku and Vegeta train everyday lol
They are still kids but they are very strong
Men are brave.
Now imagine if broly had a half blooded sayian
No need to he’s more unique than any other saiyan out there
Yall forget trunks is from the future
Saiyans powers are tied to their emotions which the saiyan race has become mostly detached from. Even though Goku was raised on earth by humans and has developed human emotions, his saiyan instinct didn't let him really tap into his powers until Freiza killed Krillin on Namek, allowing him to turn SSJ out of fury. Emotions come easy to half breeds which allows them to tap into their potential much easier. Gohan first experienced this when Radiz kidnapped him when he was just a child. Gohan got angry, broke out of his pod and severely damaged Radiz. Also tied to the reason he was able to reach SSJ2 much easier than Goku and Vegeta.
Trunks and Gohan only surpasses them because of their genetic as hybrid
Wait for a few more episodes in the Manga, Beast Gohan will be surpassed. Just like after Cell Saga.
From a biological standpoint, they probably have enhanced access to adrenaline because of their mixed heritage
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The writers that's why
Despite trunks having never surpassed Vegeta
*Future Gohan Was Stronger Than Future 17 & 18. But Unfortunately They Had Unlimited Stamina And They Always Fought Together.*
If the Saiyan's knew this before they were destroyed makes me wonder if they would try to do the same thing the viltrumites are trying to do.
it looks like hybrid saiyans cant access the power of gods because they resort to primitive and beastly forms while goku and vegeta can achieve forms that rival the gods, so thats why the hybrid saiyans will always be behind goku and vegeta
I have a theory
No idea that broly had a son
Well... mostly just Gohan now, since unfortunately, we'll probably never see Future Trunks again and Vegeta had well surpassed Future Trunks with SSJBE and UE.
Akira has explained this long ago and people still ask "why, how, what, when" whenever it comes to Gohan easily surpassing Goku and Vegeta. Hybrids are simply built different, they don't need to do nearly the same amount of struggle pure saiyans do, they just need a soul crushing moment to spark that hidden power up and boom. Literally that's their whole point, they are the upgrades of the Saiyan race. (And no, broly is a mutation of the race, 2 different categories)
Has anyone realized that Frieza and King Cold are most likely the first people that Trunks ever killed? And he was only 17 years old; managed to EASILY kill the most feared space pirates of the universe at the time. Think about everybody else’s first kills, who they killed werent anywhere close to the level of Frieza.
for plot convience
Why do Goten and Trunks need to fight?
They should be allowed to have a childhood. Future Trunks never had that and was forced to be a warrior, same as Gohan as a child. While they could be as strong, it's their decision too
The answer is "rage,"I guess. Everyone in ragon Ball grows in power when their upset because everyone is holding back for the sake of a good fight. For some reason, these two seem to surpass the craziest limits despite only having half of the Saiyan warrior genes. It's almost like the less Saiyan you are, the stronger you can be, but if you completely lack Saiyan cells, you're cooked.
If Gohan and Trucks trained even half as much their fathers did, they'd be far above them. Goku and Vegeta have literally spent their entire lives training.
In the OG Dragonball, Goku spent his entire childhood finding new masters to train with, fighting every fighter he came across and trying to be stronger.
We can assume Vegeta spent most of his childhood training as well considering he was actually raised with other Saiyans during time when they were actively conquering planets/civilizations.
Meanwhile Gohan and Trucks have generally only been serious about training when there was a serious threat present... After it's over they just go back to living a normal life until the need to train arises.
I think the mixed blood has the effect of giving them stronger potential, but the downside is they don't have the Saiyan drive to become the strongest they can be. For Saiyans, fighting is like a drug. Goku literally gets giddy/excited the second he finds someone who may be able to challenge him
May The Lord Aid all of us and lead us all to repentance, for he wiil never leave us nor forsake us
Trunks never surpassed Vegeta.
Technically Trunks didn’t surpass him bc in that point in time Vegeta would’ve already learned it
Wait i thought goku went ss2 first
It's cuz of the "S" cells
Trunks never EVER surpassed either one of them unless you count being stronger than a dead person counts
Tbf future Trunks became a super saiyan way after his own Vegeta did. So he technically didn’t surpass Vegeta. Instead he just traveled to a point in time Vegeta wasn’t as strong as him. Even after that I don’t feel he ever truly surpassed Vegeta like Gohan has Goku at different points.
Everybody is talking about vegeta and goku having a kid. Imagine what happens if broly reproduces. Especially with I believe Kale's similar abilities? Could be caulifla but i doubt it. Positive its Kale
whats stopped future gohan reach his beast form though (answer: cuz transformations asspulls required for the plot)
I mean the most likely reason as towards why present gohan got beast and future gohan didn’t was probably because of him not going through elder Kai’s unlock ability ritual specifically before he passed unlike present gohan did in the main timeline since the beast form was confirmed to be a state derived from his ultimate form in question in a comment post by the late great toriyama.
@@christopher4249 we as dragon ball fans will ALWAYS find to explain anything in question logically, and always makes sense, im proud of that actually, no matter if we sometimes cope with that
Since when did Trunks surpass Vegeta-
SSj Rage was barely on par with Blue 😭
When?
And goten and trunks are like fucking 11 💀
Tbf Gohan was dealing with planet busting shit from the moment he learned how to walk.
Vegeta, Broly(although the Z Broly is not canon) and Cell are prime examples of this
Future Trunks didnt had it that much easier either
ignoring the part where even though it's overly player for comedy(FOR SOME REASON. IT'S NOT FUNNY ANYMORE) the little trunks and goten are basically the acting masters of fusion and unlocked Super Sayian 3 on their own in a fraction of the time it took Goku who was only able to figure it out CUZ HE WAS DEAD and couldn't really be fatigued in heaven.
Not to mention how casually they super sayian'd younger than even gohan, in peaceful times no less. it just plays to them being used for comedy outside of the current super manga, and even then still.
Future Trunks never surpassed Vegeta. He claimed he did when using ultra Ssj, which technically yes, but Vegeta could have used it too but wasn't dumb enough. Future Trunks only surpassed Vegeta in stupidity