So wonderful..my daughter just received hers yesterday..thank you for showing me all of the things we can look forward to..so excited..best wishes on your journey🤗
Absolutely amazing,... I'm just in a wheelchair and feel lucky I can do with that. That chair would be an absolute godsend if I were in the position to need it. I just love technology. I'm very happy for you and your family. Dealing with this sort of situation is very much a family affair.
You do need it... unless you don't think quality of life is important. The health argument for staying in a manual is probably valid... but the difference in quality of life it makes being able to move AND hold on to things is priceless though, not to mention lawns are suddenly no big deal you're hands aren't constantly disgusting your shoulders will last a few extra years... need I go on? Exercise in on gym equipment like everybody else, get an arm ergonometer. Unless you have used a powerchair you truly have no idea how much independence and freedom it will restore for you. The reason it's drilled into docs and patients that they need to avoid a power chair at all cost is to save your insurance company money... that's the truth. Get a powerchair and set yourself up to drive from it, you'll wish you'd done it sooner, trust me.
That's sure a great wheelchair. I'm gonna start using a electric wheelchair pretty soon, cause I have flat feet & it helps me carry stuff, cause I have Cerebral Palsy. When I have my AFO braces on, the arches get really achy. I've helped people like you that can't move their hands very well. 😊
Connor I want to wish you all the luck in the world with your new power wheelchair, now you could just about stand when you want to get something that's high and even cook an omelet. with that's SPECIAL option where the wheelchair takes you into a standing position. How I wish I had that. . Because, I know how difficult being handicapped and how hard it is to reach something.... Now that problem it's no longer there for you. I ........ CONNER GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR NEW PERMOBILE POWER WHEELCHAIR. AND CONNOR GOD BLESS TO YOU...... AND, YOUR FAMILY........ Take care......
Wow!. I believe we have one of these on order, as my husband has a Parkinson's-like disease, called Corticobasal Syndrome/Degeneration. This will make a huge difference for him, since he can no longer walk at all, we only transfer from recliner to commode to chair to recliner, etc. We expect delivery to take 3-4 months, and we cannot wait!
I see you guys live around the Toledo area. We live in Norwalk. My boy and I were just watching your boy with his new chair. My son has CP and has a C300 right now but we just got approved for a F3. We tried for the F5 but got denied through our insurance. Great demo!
Medicare does not cover the M5 or the F5 as they are categorized as Group 4 chairs. The M3 and the F3 are Group 3 chairs and Medicare will cover these. The bases of the M5 and the F5 are larger and longer. This is something to remember as you choose which power wheelchair because extra width and length can make it impossible to make turns into rooms & doorways where you live. Also not to be missed is that there are differences in the mid-wheel drive and front wheel drive models (on how they turn as well as length with the M3 vs F3) which can make it impossible to get into certain locations. It's really important that you do your homework into what will actually fit into your living space and to bring this up with the wheelchair person from the company getting your chair ordered. If they brush this off or any other of your questions and concerns, there are other providers out there that will allow you to be involved and understand every part of wheelchair choice and the pieces you need and want. You don't want to have a chair you cannot use, or that does not meet your needs. Medicare does NOT cover the elevating feature nor anterior tilt, period. So if you want/need these features, prepare to pay for them out of pocket. Medicare will cover tilt/recline/elevating leg rests IF medically necessary. The chair in this video has a knee block and the special VS elevating leg-rests. These two pieces are needed to facilitate 20 degrees of anterior tilt and the standing feature. The VS leg-rests are tougher (there's an additional actuator inside the chair) and stronger. They have to be as this allows them to be weight bearing. They also move up and down. By up and down, I mean they will go clear down to the floor and back up. It's important to note that if you would like to have the elevating feature and 20 degrees of anterior tilt, say on the M3, you will need to pay for the knee block and the VS leg-rests. Of course this will not give you the standing feature, but with this degree of anterior tilt, you must have something that is going to keep you from sliding out of your chair as well as well as leg-rests with the strength to hold the weight of the person. However, if you are getting say the M3, and you want the elevating feature with only need 10 degrees of tilt...you do not need the knee block or the stronger VS leg-rests. Finding prices for these chairs is not something you will find on the manufacturer's website. You will have to discuss the price of the chair and additional options you want that are not covered with the person from the company you are ordering your chair. Unfortunately, prices are not listed where anyone browsing can look up. While a person may come across a used model with a price tag, this just isn't the typical practice for a getting a new custom wheelchair that fits you and your specific needs. And while this option too does not give you the standing feature, by not needing those two expensive pieces, you can have elevation and some anterior tilt for a much cheaper cost. But all of these scenarios (while based on my own experience) may be priced differently by certain providers. Before I finish, I wanted to make an important note. And that is that certain Medicaid coverage will pay for a back up wheelchair at 100%. So ask questions about coverage! You can only be told no, and if you never ask you won't ever have the chance to be told yes.
My mother needs this so bad! She’s paralyzed on the right side of her body and cannot even sit up on her own let alone stand or walk. Medicare only gave us a regular wheelchair which does nothing for her independence since she can not operate it with only one arm. I’m definitely about to google this to see how much of our souls we need to sell to get one. Thanks for the video and good luck to your handsome young man there.
Just came to this video because I got mine about a month ago and still not familiar with all the functions mine pretty much does everything your son demonstrated but it doesn’t stand because I can’t my body can’t bear the weight but he does have everything else at Sam’s for that feature and the feature where he goes to complete flat position and the legs raising up mine doesn’t do any of that really cool stuff which I thought it was going to come withAnyway great demo best wishes
I'm glad to see how the standing position works bc I am trying to get that on my new wheelsIf he has the tilt mode on his chair he can use that at the demist to at least that what I use bc when I recline to far sometimes they say to come up a little Idk if it's bc they can't see or what
Hey dude, awesome chair oh, what a rush it must be to be totally normal in your chair good luck to you. If I Was A Millionaire I'd like to buy a chair for everybody that needs one that is in the same condition as you are it must be quite a morale booster. Again looking good all the best wishes from this day forward,LDR
Sadly insurance doesn't see rising as a cardiac & paralysis benefit. The extra bit is more independence which means less help & less falls from reaching . I tested a older model years ago. It wasn't designed well. A c4 quadriplegic feels stimulus from those straps . Knees especially . The straps aren't mindful of those without support & a other hand usable .. the quadriplegic hands. If we can't transfer & not consider where these safety features must go & be able to re attach them.. it simply makes us dependant on others. We don't all have accessible homes, live with parents , spouses .. family. We need people to understand our needs are without support. I love the new joystick design the f3 has. I just have doubts .. my c300 had many joystick replacements , controller , batteries & a actuator that always caught.. in use it would grind & now metal flakes off. My seat wasn't assembled flat ...sides to center piece & even my awesome honeycomb cushion has shown the marks & now bows in the center. I'm small btw. My head piece caught on the seat belt as I entered my Chrysler entervan .. handles take a hold & I am stuck. I really wish a locking dervice bolt was a part of our chairs. Vs needing others to put it in place. We need to lock into floor devices ...in our vehicles. 300 lb chair can damage anyone if the brakes are used lol.. or hit. We also need stimulate to make a honey comb back rest .. it just makes sense to consider our spine. I can't pump up a roho & have their collections in seats lol. Someday.. I hope to see the old airline armrest used on the left. So we can have a device or partial table come up the center & tuck right back in.. like a power window .. using that space under the nice permobil arm rest. Please turn our rear handles to avoid taking racks in stores .. where they shouldn't be. The rear wheels need to consider turning radius .. I hit my van interior at the entry , as I turn. We can't control those wheels. Please, put clothing guards by the front wheels . Gals wear skirts & they do get dirty & stuck .. torn in the wheel area. Hip plates should make this a easy fix. . I love my Harley Davidson cup holder. It's lasted 7 years & people leaning where they shouldn't. Make a deal with the mfg.. I paid $35 .. use is incredible. Mine is mounted on the front of the left arm rest. I transfer easily .. sit to stand with the wc features & scoot forward .. pivot & sit. I even saved on van seats .. using memory 1 to slide back to my wheel & 2 to go to my wc.. wc is locked in between the 2 front seats . I use the head rest & passenger arm rest to transfer. My van seat goes up on sides ..keeping me centered. Cheaper vs 10k more for turning van seats . The c300 fit perfectly . Footplates appear to be improved. I had to buy new ones due to ther bolt grinding a hole .. lefty loose & righty tighty thing. 1 footplates was always too tight. Be mindful of wc places switching parts .. if they don't assemble your wc right .. you will go through their guessing method ...verify billing . I finally have a great wc place .. a certified tech came out . My actuator popped as I tried to go back.. it was nice .. the tech knew what it was. I was told new technology allows us to hook up to a tech when we get a error code . I got plenty & red flashing buttons . They can now diagnose the problems without a visit. Mom in this video.. good job... Your son seems well supported.. Have a great year. ❤thanks for sharing.
That chair looks great dude hope it all goes well in the future for you ,I need this chair just looking into it with my physiology and o t.wish me luck.
my f3 cost 40k and but i have to pay 7k more to make it stands up .but it's worth it I'm quadriplegic and i drive it by just touching the headrest it's amazing chair!
I just got my F3 and I love it despite it being a downgrade, my first two Permobils were standers (Medicare declined it and my secondary insurance told me that my last stander was an "unauthorized purchase"). The closest thing I could get to a semi-standing function was the optional 30˚ anterior seat tilt, but Permobil does include the chest bar and knee block just like on the standers. I am a c6-c7 quad.
I got mine 3yrs ago. They wanted 12k out of pocket to add the up/down feature but I can't afford that so I said no. Regretting it now cuz the battery is dead. My new insurance doesn't cover the company I got it from. I can't find someone who is covered by them to fix it. My dad was gonna fix it but u need the up/down feature to get to the battery.
My entire 1st floor in my house has marks, bumps and scratches from me learning to drive my power chair around and trying to reach things! I am considering this new chair the F3. After seeing the stand up option in action I am wondering if the F5 would be a better choice for me down the road. My current chair tilts, raises and the legs will allow me to stretch out but being able to stand would be amazing! I am wondering if this helps with pressure sores too? Self esteem? I also work to remain independent. I go grocery shopping alone and I am always seeking out someone in the store to reach things for me because my chair is VERY slow to rise up and it barely if at all will move while in the raised position. I pull my cart along with my left hand and rive with my right and my service dog sits on my lap. I guess the only thing I am wondering is since you are standing, where do you put the stuff you pick up (i.e. the can of chips or dishes or whatever has to be held in your hand?)? I have a strong tremor so holding stuff is not easy. Also, I tend to stuff things, like my water bottle, in between my hip and my chair arm right now. Where/how do you keep things with you?Any help with these questions would be most appreciated!!Mary
These chairs have several different detachable trays. Most are lexan and have small wooden molding to keep things from sliding off. Carrying stuff is always limited and sliding off. I think for the dog and some shopping a bit of a wire basket could be made to fit into the tray receivers.
Can you attach a shopping bag somewhere? I like the cotton mesh bags that stretch to accommodate more than one would think. The cashier will empty your bag and refill it. 😃🙂🙃
Don't listen to the 55 thumbs down...this was a very informative and well done video. Thank you and Connor for the video. Is that Sienna a gas guzzler? I know a couple of peoplethat traded theirs back in because the gas mileage was so bad.
Hi Thanks for the video . I just got the chair for the video. I 've just got this chair for my wife yesterday. It's great ! However, I still have trouble putting the knee brace on in spite of already being explained. Can you show be how to put it on for the standing position ?, please thank you
i wish medicare/medicaid would cover a chair like this for me but unfortunately once you turn 18/21 they could care less i'm just trying to get a manual with a power assist let alone something like this and you'd think i was asking for the moon but i started a go fund me page in hopes of donations
I use a power wheelchair also and I'm looking to purchase a new one. Have you ever tried to use a urinal in a public restroom and this tanning position with this chair? I ask this because when you go to a lot of public events the accessible restroom is often occupied.
I hear you brother! and 9 out of 10 cases it will be occupied by an Able bodied lazy person. I have wondered about that using a urinal as well. I have tried the standing position on this chair at a product demo event and based on my experience and by looking at this video as you can see the standing position is not exactly 90 degrees, so it is at an angle. Even if some one is able to flip up those intruding armrests, and reach over the chest holder, its going to be a challenge to get both hands to where it is needed. Even if you get past that, there is a chance of getting the urine on the shoes, leg rests, pants etc.
I can't wait 'till I get mine! If you don't mind me asking, what healthcare provider purchased the wheelchair for your son? I have had two Permobil Vertical Standers. Medicare denied them both when we started the processes with my vender. Fortunately CHampVA (health care coverage for veteran beneficiaries) has purchased my last two Permobil's . When my C500 VS died earlier this year, we started the replacement process. Medicare being my primary insurance denied it, and surprisingly ChampVA as well (but we appealing this denial through my Congressional Representative). So now as a young-adult with CP I have been without powered mobility for 6 months, kinda detouring my life. Nice videographer skills by the way!
Zsazsa Gabor hey there ive been stuck fighting for achair 8yrs pluseall paper work done they really r bad i have been prisoner and still nothing i need accustomed on but really i love acouple on this site please
I would like to ask u if u know if Medicare helps cover the price of this type of chair. I have a left amputated leg and a few other Medical issues that prevent me from walking and so my chair is my life. I would really like e to be able to get one of these types of chairs...he has learned to use the chair really well...Xoxo
I’m having some health issues with my joints, but we had a family trip planned for New York City. This th-cam.com/users/postUgkxuxJwamLFanm476LC5WPeTouyyU1GXomC was perfect! It’s lightweight enough that my friend could carry it up or down stairs when we needed to. (I can walk very short distances) It was comfortable for me to sit in, I would say if you’re super tall it might be a little cramped. I’m 5’1” and the foot rests were the perfect height. This may not be the best one for long term use, you get what you pay for, but for something that fits our budget that gives me accessibility while we deal with my health this was amazing.
@@shaneluke346 is there a problem, sir? Why did you reply to this comment with such unrelated aggression? But to reply to you, I saw his legs raise. You can see his feet being pushed up. The strap doesn't prevent them from going up, they just secure them from his shin area to stay against the leg rest.
please don't think this is strange but are there any problems pants slowly falling off when he goes up and down.Cuz from repositioning can cause this when i slide around,also how reliable is his chair,i travel as much as 50 miles per week in my Quantum rival.Lastley is he comfortable in standing position or any pressure around his knees,looking for since this may be my next wchair. Thank you for any info you can share.
+Heather Graham Unless you have stellar Insurance to help pay for it or part of it, I think you're looking at a cost a minimum of $50,000 and up for the F5. The F3 is cheaper, a little smaller in terms of overall width and length and cannot be used as a stander. The reason the F5 is more sturdy and has thicker parts on the frame is it needs to be in order to safely be riding while standing. The F3 has all of the other features though.
+NvikIngsN can you please give a link where i can check prices. I google alot and didnt find any website where i can compare prices of different models of Permobil. Im from Ukraine, and here's no distribution of Permobil. I wanna order some used chair from EU, and i need to compare prices and possible features (i need lift on maximum height as possible. and adjustable backrest to atleast 170 degree), also if i undertand right there is no feature with removable armrest (i need it for move from chair to bed and back. So i need chair with this functions and cheaper as it possible. I need to find out which model will be more affordable. thank you.
+Kentavr100 Those are some hard questions. Lots of places sell power chairs, but don't really try to compete by advertising prices. They mostly consider what Insurance or medacare will pay for them in the USA. Power Chairs are crazy expensive. I suppose since you live in the Ukraine websites differ. If I go to Permobil's website it loads the American version. I think they are headquartered in Sweden, but have plants in different Countries. Most chairs including this one have armrests that flip backward out of your way to transfer. You should be able to go to Permobil.com and choose a Country to look at. Not all of them have the F3 available. The F3 is also super expensive. I wish I could help more. If you can get to permobils website they should have forms that list the prices of every feature. Other manufactures I looked at were "Invacare" "Pride Mobility" and "Quickie" The other problem is these chairs break down and getting replacement parts could be hard. I'm not sure who would even service a chair in Ukraine. I'm not sure what to do. I always think I'm lucky to live here and wish all Countries had services to people with disabilities. I wish you luck. It might be worth a try to even call these places and ask them if they have any information to help out. Probably easier said then done though.
NvikIngsN Thank you for information. I found order sheet F3 model in UK.permobil. So now i know price. Yeah, you'r wright, in europe and US-CANADA-AUSTRALIA countryes helps with insurances to get wheelchairs. In Ukraine i can get only simple (active) wheelchair. So i should find funds for myself by own. Wish you all good. And thx again.
Haider Sehud what exactly you mean because this chair from perombil and have 2 main model F3 and F5 and they cost between 30k$ and 45k$ plus add the thing you want like tilting and elevat and other things its depends on what's you need and each one of these can cost 7k$ plus the chair price.
Haider Sehud I just told you this chair with full movement cost 45000$ but you have to take you measurements of your body and what kind seat and other needs. but i don't know about the shipping but I'll check it out
Thank You For The Video On F5 Corpus Stander Chair I am in a QM 710 that is not meeting my needs with the leg problems with ademia it raises my legs only slightly , A P.T. told me my bed is my only chice the chair will not do it. I see their are chairs that do do it, but they cost more then what medicare will pay for is my problem. My chair is for going around but useless for my leg problem forcing me to be bed bound, I truly need this wheelchair that medicare don't pay for. Does anyone know any places that pay for this wheelchair for people not to be home bound or bed bound which is a very goood ticket to a nursing home where 99% do not allow power chairs and I simply would be bed ridden or left sitting in a tilted manual I can't move . Thank You in Advance For Places Who Fund Group 4 Power Chairs F5 Corpus Stander Chair by Permobil
There's several types of Permobile it also depends on the add ons and batteries which are 55 or 70amp or something like that the batteries alone weigh up to 5 stone then you have the weight of the frame and add ons and the actual person using the chair. Permobile costs typically in region of 6 grand to 28 grand wheelchairs manual or power are utter total rubbish there not really built to suit oneself needs hence why people built there own from spare parts and things with help of course from friends and or relatives that are experienced engineers, electrician etc. In the 21 years of using Wheelchair half that a powerchair I'm extremely very disappointed in what's on offer and how these places expect the special needs to come up with this sort of money do they think we are secret millionaires or billionaires on the sly wishful thinking any how I'm still yet to find one suitable for my complex special needs I've been estimated between 3 and half and 5 grand to have the sort of rehabilitation wheelchair I need the problems with these chairs if you're out on your own and you break down and or run out juice you're snookered because due to the horrendous amount weight of the chair turning breaks off to turn it to manual so it can be pushed manually is absolutely totally out the question for the person or carer or guardian with you seriously risks doing themselves sever injury or something if it's basic powerchair same as manual just with added control and batteries it's much more easier but defiantly not for rehab chair light weight manual or power chairs don't exist that's just click bait to lie and lure you in to buy it greedy bastard's excuse my language. There's no such thing as breakdown cover either not in the UK what is available is by appointment only which can take several days even weeks to get the specialist engineer out its diabolical. There's a something called the mobility scheme which I will not use them as there basically loan sharks for the special needs the extremely very very extortionate high interest rate is enough to make your eyes water and curse like no other as you are basically signing a contract every 3 years you return the car or powerchair back then your given another one every 3 years it's on continuous loop over and over and over again it's repetive how much of your mobility allowance they take from your DLA or PIP they take off you depends on item on loan but typically a basic power wheelchair is a grand outright on the scheme it's roughly 2 and half grand back for rehabilitation powerchair wheelchair typically as I mentioned all the details above can cost anything between 3 to 30 grand but let's just go for basic powerchair at 3 grand on the scheme it's 6 and half grand chancers I'd much rather save up which I do anyway that way it makes me feel really good that I saved for it I can pimp it up how I like, I can customise/personalised it to how I want it, I can even if I wanted to have wheel trims and frame areas spray painted to how I want if I saved up enough some chairs have snazzy coloured wheel trims, frames areas, nuts and bolts and things I can even damage it not that I would but I know what I mean knowing I'm not going be reprimanded and charged if I had it on the scheme. Finally before my wrist seriously cramps up in mortal agony any more that is in here in UK NHS can supply certain things for around the home i.e shower seat, toilet seat, perch stool if ambulant disabled, grab rails, transfer boards etc etc it's Occupational Therapist who comes to your home by your doctor and or social workers request referral for one to assess you at home but there's a massive huge waiting list even at the mobility centre for mobility aids like crutches, walker or manual wheelchair very very rare for anyone to get hospital bed and or powerchair on NHS I failed powerchair assessment due to my idiopathic seizures that I take quiet frequently and regulary as I'm seen as a danger to myself and others same rules as DVLA last I heard it's gone from 1 year to 3 years without losing conscious before being reasseced. What I cant get on NHS with the OT I use complete care shop, careco, NRS Nottingham, incontinence choice, Allanda and incontinence supermarket is where I get my nappies, dry wipes etc from, better life and for small rucksacks, plastic plates, water bottle with clip on sippy hose with one way valve that has clip for hanging on cot side or wheelchair etc I seriously highly recommend this hydration kit in 500ml or 1000ml cost around twenty pounds for full kit well worth it it also comes as sports bottle with out straw hose, bowls and beakers from mountain warehouse or any other camping shop and any cheap baby shops for fitted cot sheets to place over the wheelchair seats softer on bum as Captain seats on rehab chair are leather that catches and rubs on bottom causing sores I also use the baby shops for dishes and mugs and swaddle blanket or similar blankets and dribble bibs personally I don't care what design is on it if it keeps me snugg and warm and saves my tops being all slavered over so be it. If physically capable or your hoisted in your wheelchair a child's sleeping bag makes a awesome cosy foot muff for 3rd of the price of the real deal remember if never ever shopped online before register for there regular newsletter as brand new customer you get one of voucher to use most places online do it after that they email regular offers sorry for such very long reply just offering some hints and tips
I know it's abit late to comment ,I hope you pay no heed to the tumbs down it makes me so @uckin mad,they are Insufficient ! The last thing they would do is make a video btw i,m in Australia
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So wonderful..my daughter just received hers yesterday..thank you for showing me all of the things we can look forward to..so excited..best wishes on your journey🤗
I have enjoyed this video, pretty cool how he can get in a standing position. Pretty Awesome!!
yes it"s a very nice wheelchair thank you for showing demonstration on how it works
Absolutely amazing,... I'm just in a wheelchair and feel lucky I can do with that. That chair would be an absolute godsend if I were in the position to need it. I just love technology. I'm very happy for you and your family. Dealing with this sort of situation is very much a family affair.
You do need it... unless you don't think quality of life is important. The health argument for staying in a manual is probably valid... but the difference in quality of life it makes being able to move AND hold on to things is priceless though, not to mention lawns are suddenly no big deal you're hands aren't constantly disgusting your shoulders will last a few extra years... need I go on?
Exercise in on gym equipment like everybody else, get an arm ergonometer.
Unless you have used a powerchair you truly have no idea how much independence and freedom it will restore for you.
The reason it's drilled into docs and patients that they need to avoid a power chair at all cost is to save your insurance company money... that's the truth. Get a powerchair and set yourself up to drive from it, you'll wish you'd done it sooner, trust me.
Great video thanks for sharing our Pt wants to get my 9 yr old a power wheelchair 😬I’m kind of scare but at the same time excited 🥰thanks again
That's sure a great wheelchair. I'm gonna start using a electric wheelchair pretty soon, cause I have flat feet & it helps me carry stuff, cause I have Cerebral Palsy. When I have my AFO braces on, the arches get really achy. I've helped people like you that can't move their hands very well. 😊
Great job by Conner. My wife is getting her tilt and recline power chair today sometime. I needed to watch a few videos on reviews.
Connor I want to wish you all the luck in the world with your new power wheelchair, now you could just about stand when you want to get something that's high and even cook an omelet. with that's SPECIAL option where the wheelchair takes you into a standing position. How I wish I had that.
. Because, I know how difficult being handicapped and how hard it is to reach something....
Now that problem it's no longer there for you.
I ........
CONNER GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR NEW PERMOBILE POWER WHEELCHAIR.
AND CONNOR
GOD BLESS TO YOU......
AND, YOUR FAMILY........
Take care......
Thanks for sharing! My son is 5 and learning to use a Permobil C300. I'm hoping he can use something like this one when he gets older.
Wow!. I believe we have one of these on order, as my husband has a Parkinson's-like disease, called Corticobasal Syndrome/Degeneration. This will make a huge difference for him, since he can no longer walk at all, we only transfer from recliner to commode to chair to recliner, etc. We expect delivery to take 3-4 months, and we cannot wait!
I see you guys live around the Toledo area. We live in Norwalk. My boy and I were just watching your boy with his new chair. My son has CP and has a C300 right now but we just got approved for a F3. We tried for the F5 but got denied through our insurance. Great demo!
Medicare does not cover the M5 or the F5 as they are categorized as Group 4 chairs. The M3 and the F3 are Group 3 chairs and Medicare will cover these. The bases of the M5 and the F5 are larger and longer. This is something to remember as you choose which power wheelchair because extra width and length can make it impossible to make turns into rooms & doorways where you live. Also not to be missed is that there are differences in the mid-wheel drive and front wheel drive models (on how they turn as well as length with the M3 vs F3) which can make it impossible to get into certain locations. It's really important that you do your homework into what will actually fit into your living space and to bring this up with the wheelchair person from the company getting your chair ordered. If they brush this off or any other of your questions and concerns, there are other providers out there that will allow you to be involved and understand every part of wheelchair choice and the pieces you need and want. You don't want to have a chair you cannot use, or that does not meet your needs.
Medicare does NOT cover the elevating feature nor anterior tilt, period. So if you want/need these features, prepare to pay for them out of pocket. Medicare will cover tilt/recline/elevating leg rests IF medically necessary.
The chair in this video has a knee block and the special VS elevating leg-rests. These two pieces are needed to facilitate 20 degrees of anterior tilt and the standing feature. The VS leg-rests are tougher (there's an additional actuator inside the chair) and stronger. They have to be as this allows them to be weight bearing. They also move up and down. By up and down, I mean they will go clear down to the floor and back up.
It's important to note that if you would like to have the elevating feature and 20 degrees of anterior tilt, say on the M3, you will need to pay for the knee block and the VS leg-rests. Of course this will not give you the standing feature, but with this degree of anterior tilt, you must have something that is going to keep you from sliding out of your chair as well as well as leg-rests with the strength to hold the weight of the person. However, if you are getting say the M3, and you want the elevating feature with only need 10 degrees of tilt...you do not need the knee block or the stronger VS leg-rests.
Finding prices for these chairs is not something you will find on the manufacturer's website. You will have to discuss the price of the chair and additional options you want that are not covered with the person from the company you are ordering your chair. Unfortunately, prices are not listed where anyone browsing can look up. While a person may come across a used model with a price tag, this just isn't the typical practice for a getting a new custom wheelchair that fits you and your specific needs. And while this option too does not give you the standing feature, by not needing those two expensive pieces, you can have elevation and some anterior tilt for a much cheaper cost. But all of these scenarios (while based on my own experience) may be priced differently by certain providers.
Before I finish, I wanted to make an important note. And that is that certain Medicaid coverage will pay for a back up wheelchair at 100%. So ask questions about coverage! You can only be told no, and if you never ask you won't ever have the chance to be told yes.
Thank you for that info Diana.
My mother needs this so bad! She’s paralyzed on the right side of her body and cannot even sit up on her own let alone stand or walk. Medicare only gave us a regular wheelchair which does nothing for her independence since she can not operate it with only one arm. I’m definitely about to google this to see how much of our souls we need to sell to get one. Thanks for the video and good luck to your handsome young man there.
Wow that's really cool now he has more freedom i am amazed.
Awesome buddy enjoy 😊
Just came to this video because I got mine about a month ago and still not familiar with all the functions mine pretty much does everything your son demonstrated but it doesn’t stand because I can’t my body can’t bear the weight but he does have everything else at Sam’s for that feature and the feature where he goes to complete flat position and the legs raising up mine doesn’t do any of that really cool stuff which I thought it was going to come withAnyway great demo best wishes
OMG love the new wheels!!! What a dude. Sending best wishes from another chair user. Xx
I'm so excited for you! I'm getting my Permobil F3 as well in a few months 😍 and am looking forward to being a little more independent!
Awesome buddy
I'm glad to see how the standing position works bc I am trying to get that on my new wheelsIf he has the tilt mode on his chair he can use that at the demist to at least that what I use bc when I recline to far sometimes they say to come up a little Idk if it's bc they can't see or what
Hey dude, awesome chair oh, what a rush it must be to be totally normal in your chair good luck to you. If I Was A Millionaire I'd like to buy a chair for everybody that needs one that is in the same condition as you are it must be quite a morale booster. Again looking good all the best wishes from this day forward,LDR
Sadly insurance doesn't see rising as a cardiac & paralysis benefit. The extra bit is more independence which means less help & less falls from reaching .
I tested a older model years ago. It wasn't designed well. A c4 quadriplegic feels stimulus from those straps . Knees especially . The straps aren't mindful of those without support & a other hand usable .. the quadriplegic hands.
If we can't transfer & not consider where these safety features must go & be able to re attach them.. it simply makes us dependant on others.
We don't all have accessible homes, live with parents , spouses .. family.
We need people to understand our needs are without support.
I love the new joystick design the f3 has. I just have doubts .. my c300 had many joystick replacements , controller , batteries & a actuator that always caught.. in use it would grind & now metal flakes off.
My seat wasn't assembled flat ...sides to center piece & even my awesome honeycomb cushion has shown the marks & now bows in the center. I'm small btw.
My head piece caught on the seat belt as I entered my Chrysler entervan .. handles take a hold & I am stuck.
I really wish a locking dervice bolt was a part of our chairs. Vs needing others to put it in place.
We need to lock into floor devices ...in our vehicles. 300 lb chair can damage anyone if the brakes are used lol.. or hit.
We also need stimulate to make a honey comb back rest .. it just makes sense to consider our spine. I can't pump up a roho & have their collections in seats lol.
Someday.. I hope to see the old airline armrest used on the left. So we can have a device or partial table come up the center & tuck right back in.. like a power window .. using that space under the nice permobil arm rest.
Please turn our rear handles to avoid taking racks in stores .. where they shouldn't be.
The rear wheels need to consider turning radius .. I hit my van interior at the entry , as I turn. We can't control those wheels.
Please, put clothing guards by the front wheels . Gals wear skirts & they do get dirty & stuck .. torn in the wheel area. Hip plates should make this a easy fix. .
I love my Harley Davidson cup holder. It's lasted 7 years & people leaning where they shouldn't.
Make a deal with the mfg.. I paid $35 .. use is incredible. Mine is mounted on the front of the left arm rest. I transfer easily .. sit to stand with the wc features & scoot forward .. pivot & sit. I even saved on van seats .. using memory 1 to slide back to my wheel & 2 to go to my wc.. wc is locked in between the 2 front seats . I use the head rest & passenger arm rest to transfer. My van seat goes up on sides ..keeping me centered. Cheaper vs 10k more for turning van seats . The c300 fit perfectly .
Footplates appear to be improved. I had to buy new ones due to ther bolt grinding a hole .. lefty loose & righty tighty thing. 1 footplates was always too tight.
Be mindful of wc places switching parts .. if they don't assemble your wc right .. you will go through their guessing method ...verify billing .
I finally have a great wc place .. a certified tech came out . My actuator popped as I tried to go back.. it was nice .. the tech knew what it was. I was told new technology allows us to hook up to a tech when we get a error code . I got plenty & red flashing buttons .
They can now diagnose the
problems without a visit.
Mom in this video.. good job...
Your son seems well supported..
Have a great year. ❤thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the video, looks like an interesting chair
That chair looks great dude hope it all goes well in the future for you ,I need this chair just looking into it with my physiology and o t.wish me luck.
Merci, pour le témoignage.
excellent job to show us
my f3 cost 40k and but i have to pay 7k more to make it stands up .but it's worth it I'm quadriplegic and i drive it by just touching the headrest it's amazing chair!
I just got my F3 and I love it despite it being a downgrade, my first two Permobils were standers (Medicare declined it and my secondary insurance told me that my last stander was an "unauthorized purchase"). The closest thing I could get to a semi-standing function was the optional 30˚ anterior seat tilt, but Permobil does include the chest bar and knee block just like on the standers. I am a c6-c7 quad.
I got mine 3yrs ago. They wanted 12k out of pocket to add the up/down feature but I can't afford that so I said no. Regretting it now cuz the battery is dead. My new insurance doesn't cover the company I got it from. I can't find someone who is covered by them to fix it. My dad was gonna fix it but u need the up/down feature to get to the battery.
awesome chair. I've been trying to get just a basic motor chair but don't know how
What do you mean you don't know how? If it's a problem with insurance I may be able to help. I just got my insurance to fund this chair for me.
My entire 1st floor in my house has marks, bumps and scratches from me learning to drive my power chair around and trying to reach things! I am considering this new chair the F3. After seeing the stand up option in action I am wondering if the F5 would be a better choice for me down the road. My current chair tilts, raises and the legs will allow me to stretch out but being able to stand would be amazing! I am wondering if this helps with pressure sores too? Self esteem? I also work to remain independent. I go grocery shopping alone and I am always seeking out someone in the store to reach things for me because my chair is VERY slow to rise up and it barely if at all will move while in the raised position. I pull my cart along with my left hand and rive with my right and my service dog sits on my lap. I guess the only thing I am wondering is since you are standing, where do you put the stuff you pick up (i.e. the can of chips or dishes or whatever has to be held in your hand?)? I have a strong tremor so holding stuff is not easy. Also, I tend to stuff things, like my water bottle, in between my hip and my chair arm right now. Where/how do you keep things with you?Any help with these questions would be most appreciated!!Mary
These chairs have several different detachable trays. Most are lexan and have small wooden molding to keep things from sliding off. Carrying stuff is always limited and sliding off.
I think for the dog and some shopping a bit of a wire basket could be made to fit into the tray receivers.
Can you attach a shopping bag somewhere? I like the cotton mesh bags that stretch to accommodate more than one would think. The cashier will empty your bag and refill it. 😃🙂🙃
Don't listen to the 55 thumbs down...this was a very informative and well done video. Thank you and Connor for the video. Is that Sienna a gas guzzler? I know a couple of peoplethat traded theirs back in because the gas mileage was so bad.
Hi Thanks for the video . I just got the chair for the video. I 've just got this chair for my wife yesterday. It's great ! However, I still have trouble putting the knee brace on in spite of already being explained. Can you show be how to put it on for the standing position ?, please thank you
awesome! chair i want one
good idea
Love it cool chair babe magnet the girls love the wheels
i wish medicare/medicaid would cover a chair like this for me but unfortunately once you turn 18/21 they could care less i'm just trying to get a manual with a power assist let alone something like this and you'd think i was asking for the moon but i started a go fund me page in hopes of donations
michaelsjourney87 I'm trying to..
I use a power wheelchair also and I'm looking to purchase a new one. Have you ever tried to use a urinal in a public restroom and this tanning position with this chair? I ask this because when you go to a lot of public events the accessible restroom is often occupied.
I hear you brother! and 9 out of 10 cases it will be occupied by an Able bodied lazy person. I have wondered about that using a urinal as well. I have tried the standing position on this chair at a product demo event and based on my experience and by looking at this video as you can see the standing position is not exactly 90 degrees, so it is at an angle. Even if some one is able to flip up those intruding armrests, and reach over the chest holder, its going to be a challenge to get both hands to where it is needed. Even if you get past that, there is a chance of getting the urine on the shoes, leg rests, pants etc.
I can't wait 'till I get mine! If you don't mind me asking, what healthcare provider purchased the wheelchair for your son? I have had two Permobil Vertical Standers. Medicare denied them both when we started the processes with my vender. Fortunately CHampVA (health care coverage for veteran beneficiaries) has purchased my last two Permobil's . When my C500 VS died earlier this year, we started the replacement process. Medicare being my primary insurance denied it, and surprisingly ChampVA as well (but we appealing this denial through my Congressional Representative). So now as a young-adult with CP I have been without powered mobility for 6 months, kinda detouring my life. Nice videographer skills by the way!
Arturo de la Cerda are you still in need of one? where are you located
Zsazsa Gabor hey there ive been stuck fighting for achair 8yrs pluseall paper work done they really r bad i have been prisoner and still nothing i need accustomed on but really i love acouple on this site please
I just got a Permobil F3 a couple months ago. Thank you
Do u dear want to sold. Plz send me Ph.no
I can't wait till i get my new chair it does all this to . Except stand
How has his chair worked out in last 7 years..
this made me cry
Peggy Skyluer
I can only dream about this chair
Maharlikan PI I love it because I won't have a sore bottom from sitting down on my bum all day !!!
I would like to ask u if u know if Medicare helps cover the price of this type of chair. I have a left amputated leg and a few other Medical issues that prevent me from walking and so my chair is my life. I would really like e to be able to get one of these types of chairs...he has learned to use the chair really well...Xoxo
tell him I like his chair
i will be getting a wheelchair in raspberry frames
Swedish Permobil. It's very expensive but you can see why.
one of my friends at school have one
I’m having some health issues with my joints, but we had a family trip planned for New York City. This th-cam.com/users/postUgkxuxJwamLFanm476LC5WPeTouyyU1GXomC was perfect! It’s lightweight enough that my friend could carry it up or down stairs when we needed to. (I can walk very short distances) It was comfortable for me to sit in, I would say if you’re super tall it might be a little cramped. I’m 5’1” and the foot rests were the perfect height. This may not be the best one for long term use, you get what you pay for, but for something that fits our budget that gives me accessibility while we deal with my health this was amazing.
Where did you get this kind of wheelchair?
I DONT KNOW how you can say he can LIFT HIS LEGS because of the STRAP is holding them in place at least I COULD'NT see them MOVE
@@shaneluke346 is there a problem, sir? Why did you reply to this comment with such unrelated aggression? But to reply to you, I saw his legs raise. You can see his feet being pushed up. The strap doesn't prevent them from going up, they just secure them from his shin area to stay against the leg rest.
Hi I am from Iraq and need this electric chair please answer how I get it and what is the price
Yah chair gadi kahan per milati hai viklang wali Apne up are Delhi se Lucknow ya Bahraich mein mil sakti hai gadi
Oye amiga y no podrias donarme la silla que tienes en tu garach imagino q ya no la usa y yo si la usaria gracias
From where we canpurchase is it available at Pakistan nd it cost ?
What is the cost of this wheelchair ??? i want to buy ..
What’s his name have him all ways been in a wheelchair can he talk he does a good job using that wheelchair
Can he use the totle and he eat by mouth andcan he drink by mouth too
Yo quiero esa misma silla cuanto sale ?
please don't think this is strange but are there any problems pants slowly falling off when he goes up and down.Cuz from repositioning can cause this when i slide around,also how reliable is his chair,i travel as much as 50 miles per week in my Quantum rival.Lastley is he comfortable in standing position or any pressure around his knees,looking for since this may be my next wchair. Thank you for any info you can share.
How much prices this wheel chair
hi I wanted to buy something like that for my disabled mum. can i find out the price for this and where i can purchase it?
about 30000
Yes
Can you give an idea of the price you paid?
+Heather Graham Unless you have stellar Insurance to help pay for it or part of it, I think you're looking at a cost a minimum of $50,000 and up for the F5. The F3 is cheaper, a little smaller in terms of overall width and length and cannot be used as a stander. The reason the F5 is more sturdy and has thicker parts on the frame is it needs to be in order to safely be riding while standing. The F3 has all of the other features though.
+NvikIngsN can you please give a link where i can check prices. I google alot and didnt find any website where i can compare prices of different models of Permobil. Im from Ukraine, and here's no distribution of Permobil. I wanna order some used chair from EU, and i need to compare prices and possible features (i need lift on maximum height as possible. and adjustable backrest to atleast 170 degree), also if i undertand right there is no feature with removable armrest (i need it for move from chair to bed and back. So i need chair with this functions and cheaper as it possible. I need to find out which model will be more affordable. thank you.
+NvikIngsN And, where i can find F3 model information. I didnt find any information from permobil catalog. F5 only.
+Kentavr100 Those are some hard questions. Lots of places sell power chairs, but don't really try to compete by advertising prices. They mostly consider what Insurance or medacare will pay for them in the USA. Power Chairs are crazy expensive. I suppose since you live in the Ukraine websites differ. If I go to Permobil's website it loads the American version. I think they are headquartered in Sweden, but have plants in different Countries. Most chairs including this one have armrests that flip backward out of your way to transfer. You should be able to go to Permobil.com and choose a Country to look at. Not all of them have the F3 available. The F3 is also super expensive. I wish I could help more. If you can get to permobils website they should have forms that list the prices of every feature.
Other manufactures I looked at were "Invacare" "Pride Mobility" and "Quickie" The other problem is these chairs break down and getting replacement parts could be hard. I'm not sure who would even service a chair in Ukraine. I'm not sure what to do. I always think I'm lucky to live here and wish all Countries had services to people with disabilities. I wish you luck. It might be worth a try to even call these places and ask them if they have any information to help out. Probably easier said then done though.
NvikIngsN Thank you for information. I found order sheet F3 model in UK.permobil. So now i know price. Yeah, you'r wright, in europe and US-CANADA-AUSTRALIA countryes helps with insurances to get wheelchairs. In Ukraine i can get only simple (active) wheelchair. So i should find funds for myself by own. Wish you all good. And thx again.
Is That A QM 710 wheelchair in the garage of the young man whos now got
A F5 Permobil stander. Thank You In Advance
+Margaret Cabral I think the chair in the garage is a Invacare TDX SP
Your Right It Is A Invacare TDX SP
Yes inadvertently electric chair in this video
Can you provide in India
cool
thats the life
where can i get this
I am a handicraft person.I am in India.Plwase say me where I shall buy this what amount in India(INR)
What did it cost
Is this available in india please reply & what will be the price
Abhimanyu Kumar How would they know!
Abhimanyu Kumar Just go the Permobil website
can you get this in the uk on motability?
Can he walk
could he move
How much is the chair I am a disabled Please reply
my f3 cost 40k and i have to pay 7k more to make it stands up .but it's worth it it's amazing chair!
How much is this Rickshaw Answer
Haider Sehud what exactly you mean because this chair from perombil and have 2 main model F3 and F5 and they cost between 30k$ and 45k$ plus add the thing you want like tilting and elevat and other things its depends on what's you need and each one of these can cost 7k$ plus the chair price.
Hello, how are how much the price of this chair in this picture? I'm from Iraq and how we communicate Please reply
Haider Sehud I just told you this chair with full movement cost 45000$ but you have to take you measurements of your body and what kind seat and other needs. but i don't know about the shipping but I'll check it out
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Thank You For The Video On F5 Corpus Stander Chair
I am in a QM 710 that is not meeting my needs with the leg problems
with ademia it raises my legs only slightly , A P.T. told me my bed is
my only chice the chair will not do it.
I see their are chairs that do do it, but they cost more then what medicare
will pay for is my problem. My chair is for going around but useless for
my leg problem forcing me to be bed bound, I truly need this wheelchair
that medicare don't pay for. Does anyone know any places that pay for
this wheelchair for people not to be home bound or bed bound which is
a very goood ticket to a nursing home where 99% do not allow power
chairs and I simply would be bed ridden or left sitting in a tilted manual
I can't move . Thank You in Advance For Places Who Fund Group 4
Power Chairs F5 Corpus Stander Chair by Permobil
Wow, I wish i could afford one
Brian Clement me to ive been lfighting for10 years in n.ystate very sick of ig
Judy Laro Well, one day, hang in there
Brian Clement thans so much the support yes one day
Judy Laro One more thing, surround yourself with positive people. I pray to God and try enjoy each day.
How do I get this Rickshaw possible Answer
Haider Sehud electric
我也是很想拥有这款电动轮椅，有没有人能帮助我？我来自中国
Please reply to me
About this wheelchair price
There's several types of Permobile it also depends on the add ons and batteries which are 55 or 70amp or something like that the batteries alone weigh up to 5 stone then you have the weight of the frame and add ons and the actual person using the chair. Permobile costs typically in region of 6 grand to 28 grand wheelchairs manual or power are utter total rubbish there not really built to suit oneself needs hence why people built there own from spare parts and things with help of course from friends and or relatives that are experienced engineers, electrician etc.
In the 21 years of using Wheelchair half that a powerchair I'm extremely very disappointed in what's on offer and how these places expect the special needs to come up with this sort of money do they think we are secret millionaires or billionaires on the sly wishful thinking any how I'm still yet to find one suitable for my complex special needs I've been estimated between 3 and half and 5 grand to have the sort of rehabilitation wheelchair I need the problems with these chairs if you're out on your own and you break down and or run out juice you're snookered because due to the horrendous amount weight of the chair turning breaks off to turn it to manual so it can be pushed manually is absolutely totally out the question for the person or carer or guardian with you seriously risks doing themselves sever injury or something if it's basic powerchair same as manual just with added control and batteries it's much more easier but defiantly not for rehab chair light weight manual or power chairs don't exist that's just click bait to lie and lure you in to buy it greedy bastard's excuse my language. There's no such thing as breakdown cover either not in the UK what is available is by appointment only which can take several days even weeks to get the specialist engineer out its diabolical.
There's a something called the mobility scheme which I will not use them as there basically loan sharks for the special needs the extremely very very extortionate high interest rate is enough to make your eyes water and curse like no other as you are basically signing a contract every 3 years you return the car or powerchair back then your given another one every 3 years it's on continuous loop over and over and over again it's repetive how much of your mobility allowance they take from your DLA or PIP they take off you depends on item on loan but typically a basic power wheelchair is a grand outright on the scheme it's roughly 2 and half grand back for rehabilitation powerchair wheelchair typically as I mentioned all the details above can cost anything between 3 to 30 grand but let's just go for basic powerchair at 3 grand on the scheme it's 6 and half grand chancers I'd much rather save up which I do anyway that way it makes me feel really good that I saved for it I can pimp it up how I like, I can customise/personalised it to how I want it, I can even if I wanted to have wheel trims and frame areas spray painted to how I want if I saved up enough some chairs have snazzy coloured wheel trims, frames areas, nuts and bolts and things I can even damage it not that I would but I know what I mean knowing I'm not going be reprimanded and charged if I had it on the scheme.
Finally before my wrist seriously cramps up in mortal agony any more that is in here in UK NHS can supply certain things for around the home i.e shower seat, toilet seat, perch stool if ambulant disabled, grab rails, transfer boards etc etc it's Occupational Therapist who comes to your home by your doctor and or social workers request referral for one to assess you at home but there's a massive huge waiting list even at the mobility centre for mobility aids like crutches, walker or manual wheelchair very very rare for anyone to get hospital bed and or powerchair on NHS I failed powerchair assessment due to my idiopathic seizures that I take quiet frequently and regulary as I'm seen as a danger to myself and others same rules as DVLA last I heard it's gone from 1 year to 3 years without losing conscious before being reasseced. What I cant get on NHS with the OT I use complete care shop, careco, NRS Nottingham, incontinence choice, Allanda and incontinence supermarket is where I get my nappies, dry wipes etc from, better life and for small rucksacks, plastic plates, water bottle with clip on sippy hose with one way valve that has clip for hanging on cot side or wheelchair etc I seriously highly recommend this hydration kit in 500ml or 1000ml cost around twenty pounds for full kit well worth it it also comes as sports bottle with out straw hose, bowls and beakers from mountain warehouse or any other camping shop and any cheap baby shops for fitted cot sheets to place over the wheelchair seats softer on bum as Captain seats on rehab chair are leather that catches and rubs on bottom causing sores I also use the baby shops for dishes and mugs and swaddle blanket or similar blankets and dribble bibs personally I don't care what design is on it if it keeps me snugg and warm and saves my tops being all slavered over so be it. If physically capable or your hoisted in your wheelchair a child's sleeping bag makes a awesome cosy foot muff for 3rd of the price of the real deal remember if never ever shopped online before register for there regular newsletter as brand new customer you get one of voucher to use most places online do it after that they email regular offers sorry for such very long reply just offering some hints and tips
I know it's abit late to comment ,I hope you pay no heed to the tumbs down it makes me so @uckin mad,they are Insufficient ! The last thing they would do is make a video btw i,m in Australia
Do you obey Almsall of some persons I am in desperate urgency fun Please Help
Can you lote me now
does he have a Dad
Old post but some of you ask the most ridiculous questions , as with another post , why does it matter
Why does he have to have a power chair???
Why not?
??? What does it matter why he has it ! Your question baffled the mess out of me.
Megan Gibson why not you fucking HATER
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