NOTE: I BRAIN-FARTED the mainstat graphic, Goblets CANNOT have ER% mainstats. ALSO, explanation as to why Staff of Homa wasn’t recommended: Staff of Homa is primarily a DPS weapon, and as such, Thoma can’t make good use of the crit value and high base ATK without sacrificing much needed HP and ER rolls for crit rate rolls. This alone already makes optimizing him much more difficult when using Staff of Homa BUT, to further that issue, Staff of Homa’s HP bonus on the weapon passive isn’t even half of what Black Tassel can provide, and doesn’t provide even half of the value that (for example) The Catch, Engulfing Lightning, Fav Lance, Starglitter, etc. can provide, and most of those weapons are 4 stars. “But Marcus, Zhongli uses Staff of Homa really well” Zhongli’s energy requirements are extremely low, especially especially compared to Thoma, so he doesn’t need to worry about ER% rolls as much anyways (allowing him to focus more on other stats), PLUS, his most valuable asset (shielding) is tied to his skill, not his burst. So the crit value and high base ATK of Staff of Homa is just an added bonus on top of his already very forgiving build needs. If you plan to build Thoma as some sort of SubDPS hybrid, Homa could be a decent choice, but as a shield support, he is not the sharty bae for Homa. ➤ twitter: twitter.com/dragonflymarcus
no but seriously how stupid do you have to be to play Bennet in a yoimiya team with no shield... not only does yoimiya autos run her off bennet ult so she cant even fully utilized it without dashing and running her atk combo(which u need to go to 5 or else is a big dps loss), she needs a shielder 1000% of the time for the same fucking reason.
I'd like to share my thoma build. 2 emblem 2 millelith ER sands, EM goblet, EM circlet, Kaitin spear R5 and as much ER HP rolls on my artifacts as possible. But I like the EM for overload and hopefully it will be useful with dendro too ;)
Heizou is another char for whom Thoma can work magic. You can't swirl Geo, and Genshin's One-Punch Man needs to swirl something for those declension stacks. Heizou also uses a lot of normal attacks, shield will be refreshed easily. Heizou also brings his own VV set. So yea, Thoma will keep him on his feet, and if you add a Xiangling and Xingqiu, and you got off-field damage galore to give some sustain damage on top of those single punches.
100% based. I run Heizou, Thoma, and two off fields such as kaeya or xingqiu, or even albedo for added crystal shields, and man the damage and swirls are INSANE! thoma is honestly so unloved, but hes so great.
yeah, it's like in a movie, most of the time all the attention goes to the protagonist but sometimes, we would love to see some spotlight on the other underrated characters.
@@1sie which equals to shit in genshin community. Why? Because resource is *very* limited in genshin. Building characters takes a shit ton of mora, exp book, talent mats, and most importantly, resin. Can you like his design, personality, etc? Of course you can! It's called preference and opinion. But for the sake of efficiency, power level, team synergy, and resource, he really is a bad choice compared to other characters. At least for now, before dendro reaction comes out
An early rolled Thoma ended up carrying me through various points throughout the game, despite being locked at 20 for ages. I leveled him up so fast when I unlocked the fog island. He kept hopping off the bench right when everyone else was struggling to carry and somehow saved the day. He earned his keep. He's only kept being useful even in the higher levels. So I will gladly show up to a video offering Thoma much needed love.
@@GammelGäddan05 Sounds like someone who didn't get their free Noelle to carry them through the game instead. Imagine thinking a level 20 Thoma's shield carried them though anything.
@@MrPsychopathy Noelle was my third roll actually. Couldn't find geo cube for a while and then an automatic world leveling caused geo cube to be one of the last boss fights I got around to beating. And you missed my point. I technically had him benched. I'd switch my comp around for basically everyone I had at various spots. It was only after trying with all my 40s-50s that I'd switch him in and my run would be successful. And Noelle can't use Black Tassel. Ot provide pyro resonance.
@@GammelGäddan05 In Thoma's burst, his shield refreshes and goes stronger over time. Great when fighting overworld hoards in tight places and wonky camera controls. You'll block more than one attack, and it provides a resistance to stagger so you can keep doing damage. His pyro aoe helped in fights. He offers pyro resonance for extra damage. He was my only polearm for a while so he made use of Black Tassel which was literally required by my under leveled butt for Cloud Retainer's adobe and it's slime hoard. Plus it gave him an HP buff enough to put him on par with the others, at least enough for the shield to be useful.
I feel like the only thing Thoma needs to become more widely accepted is a sacrificial spear. Every other weapon has a sacrificial weapon except for the spears. If he had a sac spear you could just use his skill twice in a row to greatly reduce his energy problems and make his shield much thiccer.
Thoma has a ton of competition for his niches, with other shielding options like C2 Shield Xinyan, C4 Yanfei, Diona, Zhongli for general shielding and Albedo/Gorou for frequent mini shields via crystallize. This in addition to his energy issues requiring you take away from his shield strength even more, requiring auto attacks to even function, and his pyro application often having negative synergy with reactions makes him a very unintuitively designed character from a gameplay perspective.
I think Thoma will become much more relevant once Dendro drops and burning comps are drafted. Burning needs constant Dendro application, not Pyro, so he will be a pretty good shielder for an EM Dendro carry.
I love Thoma so much…He is the reason I installed Genshin back in 2.0 and he never left my team since his debut, I’m always upgrading him to be the best he can be and it makes me happy to see a positive video about his gameplay since most of the time they aren’t exactly…Nice about his kit, hell I see some just call him “the most trash character” whenever he’s on screen. Sometimes the Genshin community is really toxic toward characters that aren’t “meta” because anyone is viable if you just take the time and energy to do so, but most people aren’t willing to do that.
thoma is just cool. as someone who has taken multiple month long breaks since launch(between my luck and motivation to play with what i had i just couldn't keep playing) however thoma is amazing imo. hes a good sub shelder and i just like him in general. now that I've officially gotten back into the grind(i got itto when he first came out and got heizou so i am now motivated and saving for childe) i can happily say thoma has a place in my team. he could be better obviously but him,and plenty others really aren't that bad. they just require a little more effort to make good
Also I don't care if he 'isnt meta', didn't stop me from using Xinyan, and he can be strong in the right scenario and is overall a good asset to any team
@@MythicAce218 I wish you luck on getting Childe! I was super lucky to get him and Thoma with around 200 Intertwined Fates, and I have both on my team. I agree Thoma and others could be better, but no character is really terrible.
@@autobee23 i thank you for that. im ftp and missed his last rerun so im trying to save(hopefully for a guarantee) when he comes back which im hoping isn't too soon. i want time to save up my wishes
It would be great if people would treat Genshin as a game......not warfield. I mean play whoever and whatever you like! Have fun! For example I hate Childe so I'm not using him (though I have him. Wasted primogems). I hate yyoyoyomiya - her voice to be honest, so I will not pull for her ever. Ayato was meh for me, so I didn't pull for him. BUT I love Lisa! And I often play as her. She carried so many teams in dragonspire domains I cannot even count. They were all dead. all hutaos etc. I love Kokomi and pulled for her and she is not leaving my team since her banner. We all remember hate on Kokomi. So what? She is beautiful. So people should stop judging. Don't like it? Don't play it. Peace & love
After unintentionally getting him to C6 pulling for Heizou, he’s my shielder ever since and I gotta say… he’s serviceable. Hehe Him with EM Kuki and DPS Heizou is ayyyt.
Please share your luck for Thoma constellations. I only get catalysts (both weapons and characters, c1 Heizou from like 40 pulls) and I already got Kazuha. I try to save for Yoimiya, but it's taunting. Never have I lost so many 50/50 for 4 stars.
on the hutao team, I replaced Kazuha with Yelan which prevents thoma from stealing any vapes from hutao. The con to this is I lose the anemo character slot like kazuha, missing out on the extra damage with the VV shred but what I got in return was more consistent vape charged attacks from hutao dealing around 60k per charged atk. and this also frees kazuha and zhongli to be used in the 2nd team (hypercarry raiden, melt ganyu, or permafreeze ayaka).
very very valid! I’d say this team alteration depends on who is stronger on your account, if Xiangling/Kazuha are strong on your account, they’d work better than the Thoma/Yelan combo vice versa in general though thoma (for me personally) feels great with Hu Tao whether you use double hydro or regular vape, just cause his added shielding and buffing is fun and reliable
@@dragonflymarcus yes I absolutely agree! Ever since I got Yelan I always use Hu Tao Thoma XQ Yelan in the abyss 12 and oh my god is it so much more comfy to play compared to double VV
Idk if you look at leaks or not so let me just give a warning here. ⚠️ LEAKS BELOW⚠️ Some 3.0 leaks have stated that Hydro resonance would be changed from giving healing bonus% to instead give +25%HP. This is a huge buff for hydro characters as most of them scale with HP. But more importantly, this would make the team comp Hu Tao, Thoma, Xingqiu, and Yelan a very powerful comp because all of them scale with HP in 1 way shape or form. Even better is that with this team comp, your Hu Tao will now be able to go for an EM sands for better vape damage.
@@FrenchDinosaur ⚠️Reply to a leak⚠️ As someone who uses Childe and Ningguang as a dps, it’s clear that as early characters they were figuring out where they wanted to go with both elements. Both of them scale differently from a majority of the other characters for their element. I’m really taking L’s. Thankfully I also have Hu Tao, so it’s not all bad.
@@FrenchDinosaur Wait for real?? I hope this leak is true, hydro resonance is so awful and it would benefit so many more characters to change it to hp. 💙 Next I want electro resonance to be changed to 25% ER because electro is all about energy, and it would be a lot better than the current electro resonance
It's so nice to see some Thoma appreciation. Thoma was one of my first units (maybe not one of the first acquired, but one of the first that I actually build and played with) and as someone who was new to the game and didn't know much I was so happy with him. He literally carried my team from AR25 to AR40 alongside Kaeya so it always hurt a little to see people shit on him or dismiss him and only praise him as a househusband as if that's his only trait. Yeah... I am pissed that he doesn't have a better kit and that he's easily replaceable, but I still love him as a character and play with him fairly often
@@RenaissanceRockerBoy My Kaeya is still carrying my team. He carries my Diluc. He carries my Xiao. Carries my Ayato. I'm a Kaeya main actually so I love him. My Thoma is kinda benched from time to time, bc I have been trying diff characters, but he's still a character that I use often.
i really like thomas kit(i don't have zhongli or diona) hes a perfect shelder for me and while he doesn't do that much damage,now that i got heizou i finally have a team for him. he doesn't deserve his hate
@@MythicAce218 I do have Diona but I don't use her at all. I always go with Thoma and I really like him. I'd like for HYV to buff him (and most of Inazuma 4stars) bc he receives such unnecessary hate for literal no reason just because people don't understand his playstyle.
@@yuledevorak8244 his accended stat should be hp. i also feel he needs a damage buff. unfortunately i never got to use him(hes c0 and i want to wait till chidle comes back to pull) and itto is my main dps so its hard to use him to his full potential. however now that i got heizou i can use him as a pyro applier so im gonna try and work on him now that he has a place for a team. also hoe good is diona anyway?
As a thoma main....I'm happy this boi is finally getting some recognition. ^^ Edit: dragonfly: "Ignore the attack talent unless you're insane, in which case Godspeed solider" Me: *has almost triple crowned Thoma* I just think he's neat :D ....yes I'm a full on simp for thoma XD
Same here like my build is not this nor are the artefacts or weapon. He still does work quiet well usally with ayato cuz hey, then add in whoever else I want
As a player with Sub DPS triple crowned Thoma, I honestly got scared because most Thoma guides have all been underplaying this character and I figured how would this video be different from the others. So I commend you at the very least for still doing a guide for him during his rate-up, and a very informative one at that! It is true that if you build him for his shield, he is very easy to build as you just have to focus on ER and HP. But the reason why I choose Sub DPS over Shield support is because his shield is already so strong even with minimal HP investment so why not amplify up his damage? Though yes, for him to be built for his damage is more investment, you gotta think: if he "steals" vaporize reactions, then why don't you build him to vaporize himself? Also, if built as a Sub DPS, his strongest team is actually a mono Pyro team with Bennett, a Pyro main DPS (notably Klee), and an anemo VV holder (Kazuha, Jean, etc) other than a reverse vaporize team with either Childe or Ayato. Another fun but niche team is a soup team with Thoma, an electro Sub DPS (Fischl, Beidou), a hydro Sub DPS (Xingqiu, Yelan), and an Anemo driver (Heizou, Sucrose). My strongest team right now where I use Thoma is a double Pyro and double Anemo team with Bennett, Kazuha, Thoma, and Heizou as the main DPS. For more information about more Thoma builds, the Thoma mains server has a really dedicated community and we currently have a guide for different kinds of Thoma roles along with a document on the way before the release of Dendro once Sumeru comes out. On the latter note, I can already tell Thoma will be really valuable, maybe over Bennett and Xiangling because he will be shielding you against the well-known Burning reaction. Overall, thank you for doing a guide for a really underrated character and I hope people would stop spreading uneducated comments against him.
very well put together video, but 2 notes 4pc instructors is Thomas Best in Slot set for Vape Teams your artifact options are: 4pc Instructors, 4pc Noblesse 4emblem is rarely worth using Thank you for the shoutout in description btw
i love seeing people enjoy thoma, hes one of my favourite characters to use. Nobody ever gives him the time of day. his kit is far from great but its so fun to play
After getting Yelan, I built Thoma in anticipation for the Kazuha rerun in order to restructure my Hu Tao team away from GeoBros. Being able to double swirl and vape while shielded means that sometimes my Hu Tao doesn't even hit the field before things have died. So many characters get a lot of hate because they aren't universally overpowered supports/nukes like Bennett/Raiden, Thoma fits a burgeoning niche and supports specific teams very nicely. Having the HP scaling with Hu Tao and Yelan (especially C4) is also really nice.
do you think that double hydro is better than running anemo shred? i have both yelan and kazuha and i'm debating on how to run my future hu tao team (since i don't have her yet Sadge) but i'm thinking of building thoma for her since i was gonna run zhongli but pyro resonance seems good with her. i just don't know if she'd benefit more from yelan + xingqiu combined with thoma or kazuha + yelan/xingqiu with thoma
@@pearlmoonprincess Depends on your Yelan cons. Mine's at C6, so I don't need the additional Hydro application and I find running Kazu yields higher damage output. But I've heard double Hydro can be comfier, not to mention the rumoured changes to Hydro resonance coming in 3.0.
i have my thoma double crowned (skill +burst) and i dont regret anything lmaooo my main build on him is hp/hp/crit rate emblem/tenacity with fav lance. at 30k+ hp and 180%+ er, i can reliably have his burst up when i need it and its strong enough to tank pretty much anything. hes my 2nd strongest shielder (zhongli is obvi my strongest) for the memes, i like putting a full emblem set on him (hp/pyro dmg/crit rate) with homa and hes not half bad lol
To be honest I would recommend Skill > Burst since the total shield durability scales with Skill level, not Burst. His shield refreshes wouldn't be as effective if the initial shield and its upper limit is low ... Still though, thank you for the insights! I've been neglecting Thoma for a long time, so this was just what I needed to bring him up to par!
Honestly, thoma's constellations good because it has so much utility, but i highly recommend c4, it saves him so much energy for his burst, c6 however you might think is good, but not even a considerable amount of damage he can add up to your dps, my hutao deals 132k charged attack with thoma at c4 before, then after i got my c6 thoma on kazuha's banner, the buff was unrecognizable. My hutao dealt 133k. Just a 1k dmg difference.
I feel Thoma got mega buffed when Yelan came because he can’t steal Hu Tao vapes anymore on double hydro team. And if you run Noblesse on Xingqiu and 4 piece instructor on Thoma you get such a huge boost of dmg.
Thoma isn't bad, he's niche. You use thoma typically when you want a shielder, pyro resonance and have someone who auto attacks constantly. Klee, Ayato, Yoymiya, Hutao. The thing is, alot of characters are burst DPS and well, Benny exists and will be a better option no matter what. I like using him in mono pyro with Klee, Benny Boy, and Kazuha.
I like using him in a vape team with my Benny, Ayato, and Kazuha. Since ayato can't move he makes a great shielder, giving protection and pyro resonance. He and Benny fuel each other too, and c6 buffs ayato
I use him with dps yanfei. She needs shields anyways and the extra pyro also helps xingqui pull of some vapes of his own while yanfei vapes his rainswords. Her auto attacks proc both thoma and xinquis off field attacks perfectly.
Teams I use Thoma in: Anemo-driver Reaction Teams - Both Sucrose and Heizou are rather squishy so I really love having Thoma's shield on them. Thoma's burst just adds to the soup of numbers. Eula-Thoma-Diona-Raiden - Gotta make sure neither Eula nor Raiden get interrupted during their bursts, or else I'd lose DPS. I'm not sure Diona by herself has the uptime to shield both of their Burst Windows back-to-back.
I think they tried to tailor his kit around Ayato but in the end they tried to make him not OP by giving him the standard ICD. I think without ICD he could’ve been a pyro Xingqiu or atleast who could compare to Xingqiu
It's not even ICD when it comes to supporting Ayato, he is just applying the pyro too slow (every second), so he will always trigger the vape after couple Ayato attacks.
@@MrPsychopathy its exactly because of ICD that he applies pyro too slow. Take note that Xingqui not only applies hydro through the actual hydro sword attack but also through the floating mini swords that floats on the characters. If thomas shield can also apply pyro then he will be a good off field pyro applier.
@@DarkKnight_god it is not just ICD though. He can only apply pyro every second with his burst, while Xingqui does it every 0.5 sec and even he can't keep up with fast attackers.
This is really helpful, I've been considering creating a second team with Heizou, Kaeya, Thoma and Xinqiu but I didn't really understand how his kit worked. Now I got an idea of what I'd like to do, thanks, man!
Chongyun's been my main DPS since I first pulled him back on the beginner banner when I started, and I really enjoy how the two synergize together. He even replaced Zhongli on my adventuring party for his pyro synergy with Bennett and reverse melts with Chongyun. I'm really glad I got him back when he first came out, and achieved C6 on this banner while pulling for Heizou.
Chongyun my main dps too! Trying to build Ayaka but taking a long time to farm her ascension materials. Chongyun, Thoma and Kazuha working well for me.
I'm currently using C6 Thoma on my Xiao team. I've been using C6 Noelle before but I felt more comfortable using Thoma over her likely because of his shield uptime and I can reliably fill up his burst esp. w/ fav lance. Although I'll still be gunning for Zhongli whenever he comes back.
@@Elvyne yep. That account wants diona for my ayaka freeze team as well as Zhongli for Xiao. Not to mention an opportunity to c6 fischl and also collei. Perfect banner for me.
I always liked him as a character, but I unintentionally got him to C6. I then paired him Cyno as an EM beast and sat back and watched the explosions happen.
What a great video about Thoma! One thing I would argue is you dont need that much ER (200%) on Thoma, especially if you have C4 & run him with favonius users or another pyro unit. But 200% is definitely a safe choice for noblesse user! You haven’t mentioned some teamcomps that i’ve tried with Thoma, so let me throw some of mine in! Ayato-Thoma Overvape team: Ayato+Thoma+Fischl/Beidou+Bennett (similar to soup team but no anemo) Ayaka-Thoma Melt team: Ayaka+Thoma+Xiangling+Diona (thoma generates so many particles for xiangling & great against unfreezable mobs! This also frees your Bennett to be in the other team) Pyro Swirl: Heizou+Thoma+Xiangling+Jean/Sayu (i don’t have jean and sayu, but i think it sounds fun) I think I also heard EM overload Thoma is good? I never tried it though. I think it’s really fun to play the game different characters and I hope for more variety in genshin. Anyway, thank you for this video!
I really love how Thoma and Gorou look so I always want to run around as them in the map. Thank you for making this video so I can keep Thoma in my party QwQ.
I'm ready to build my Thoma since he's already at C5. This video made me want to raise him more because of the in-depth explanation regarding his kit. Thank youu!!
I use him to free up bennet when playing Raiden and Xiangling together with Yae. He synergizes really well with Raiden. Haven’t experimented much with Xinqiu instead of Yae, but I bet his limited pyro application won’t disrupt xianglings vapes too much. His stonks will go up when dendro is out and he acts as an enabler for bursting those bloom seeds created from dendro and hydro. That’s evident from the preview vid HoYo released
C6 6-12-12 Thoma enjoyer here. Reaching the max shield is basically guaranteed by your 2nd rotation. He's good, the only drawback is you need to farm hard for ER substats and adhere to a strict team rotation. He's 1 half of pyro resonance. He applies pyro so you can VV shred and Kazuha buff your pyro dps. Coolest attack string on a 4 star (if you care about that kinda thing).
Just let me say, Thoma + Kuki on ToM, and you get 55% shield strength. And Thoma can apply pyro consistently enough for Kuki to overload every other tick. I think Hoyo will try to make overload a thing later. It just sucks when you have to chase enemies down.):
overload can be viable if you're fighting bosses or chonky enemies that can't get tossed around, like ruin enemies! it's not a reaction that's suitable for every situation, but it can definitely be strong.
Try overload with Jean's burst. She applies anemo for swirls every time an enemy enters or exits her bubble. She also reduces velocity from overload explosions, so you don't have to worry about overload explosions scattering the enemies so much. I run a sunfire overvape team and it just absolutely shreds anything I throw it at
finally some love for thoma! i got him to c6 recently and found that he's a pretty decent support for heizou too, bc he enables him to swirl consistently to gain stacks for his skill. plus pyro/anemo resonance benefits my team (heizou, jean, bennett, thoma) in every way! i liked him before but now at c6 i really feel it's justified to use him more - even got him to friendship 10 finally :)
I think there was a mistake about the tankfei thrilling tales on hu tao buff. It may not be much compared to all other buffs like kazuha and maybe lower team dps due to strict rotations, but it is noticeable considering hu tao still scales on attack. However on tankfei teams proto amber is used for healing and shield while someone like sucrose would hold ttods.
Biggest issue is the rotation. On double pyro Tao team, you want to swirl pyro. Forcing TToDS on Tankfei would lead to a really impractical rotation, forcing Tao just doing nothing for a bit after Tankfei, switching to anemo and then back to Tao.
@@c.nathaniel9017 nope, start with tankfei burst, then skill, swirl that pyro with sucrose, XQ burst then hutao away, then start the rotation again. theres literally no down time and most importantly no need to stack a shield like you would with wack ass thoma and no stolent vapes
@@KeqingXHuTao pretty sure they meant the ttods on tankfei would be an issue with rotations, not the whole team itself. If we follow the rotation while on ttods tankfei, sucrose would get the buff and by the time we get to hutao which is pretty fast, ttods would still not be available. The issue isn't that the team rotation itself, it's the rotation where you put ttods of tankfei instead of sucrose.
It took me nearly 180 summons to pull him once, so yes, I was going to use him. He's nice to have around, be it for my melee or ranged DPS. (I also have a DPS build for him but that's my secret formula.)
@@adityapawar1422 His burst work on Normal Atk, which all characters have. In fact, range dps could even make used of him better than melee as his burst most of the time wouldn't reach the enemies and wouldn't steal dmg as much.
watching this guide now as i have c6 thoma and have been using him with wanderer, and didnt know how to really build him but noticed sometimes thomas sheild duration was extremely long and sometimes it was super short i am more informed now thank you.
Had Thoma since his release, levelled him up and used him a bit but I couldn't figure out how to make proper use of him. Then I got Yoimiya yesterday, and I really wanted to bring Thoma out for some air and saw your video just on time. I'm going to properly build him this time! A bit rare to see any Thoma appreciation ngl
Thoma has been a huge blessing to me as a Heizou main. My team is Heizou, Barbara, Raiden, and Thoma. I used to main Barbara as a DPS Nuke Barbara build, so she's no joke and can do 10k damage easily with TTDS. With Barbara on the team, Thoma's shield is not as important. Raiden also helps take care of energy needs, allowing me to build triple HP stats on Thoma. The icing on the cake is Raiden's skill and thoma's burst. That combo makes every punch of Heizou a literal explosion. If Thoma's burst is not up, Barbara's skill and Raiden's skill switches heizou's punches from overload to electro-charge. This is a highly reactive team that can handle almost any situation. Thoma's shield and the passive healing of Barbara's skill makes my team all but untouchable.
I think mihoyo is onto something. First they release chrcters that are bad to lackluster at best, then few updates later another chr comes out that really goes well with said first one. Here, Thoma. If you use him and heizou togather, i swear they're the most fun to play 4 stars.
Thanks so much for this Thoma vid! (He needs more love) Ive had him c6 double crowned since day one and loved his ability to shield from dmg and stagger! I ended up loving him way more than Zhongli on a hutao team since his shields were easily refreshable which meant more time on hutao
Hear me out. Fire bender Heizou team. We go main dps Heizou of course. Xiangling with her attack bonus at the high enough level, shields and lots of firepower from our Thoma. And since I always run with a healer I chose to go with explosions and went with Kuki. Alternatively I've been considering running with Sayu though I haven't tried it yet. My Kuki, Heizou and Thoma all currently sitting at level 40 under their ascension and this team handles itself very well even with my world level of 6. Though not perfect.
6:20 thrilling tales does help out itto tho? His main gimmick is that he converts all his defense to attack, so having the Ttods buff on top of his burst conversion is super helpful I use itto with a ningguang with Ttods and the atk buffs nice
but TToDS doesn't take into account his attack after the conversion, it converts his ATK before the burst translation (which is very low because of his very low base ATK). I didn't say it doesn't help him (or hu tao) , just not much at all, especially not compared to how it helps other units
I tried, I really did. Got really excited when I got Thoma's C6 thinking I could finally make use of him. It's not worth it. His shield is still too high maintenance, especially with the unrealistic amount of ER needed. I'd rather use Bennett for the atk buff, even with Hu Tao as I can at least enter or leave his healing pad as needed. But even then she just doesn't need it and I prefer Zhongli for comfort. Thoma needs more utility.
I have him with just under 200 ER and 31k HP (2 pc tenacity/emblem). He seems abyss ready to me. Only thing is weaving in NORMAL attacks to stack his shield.
Try to use the Catch on him, it's great and covers all his weaknesses. You got Crit Rate while ult up (which u want) you got Energy Recharge and he does more Damage. Perfect. Also he is a great battery for another Pyro Unit and can also shield!
@@chaosinfernoid9008 the thing about using the Catch on Thoma is that unless you're not running any other spear users, the Catch won't be available to units such as Raiden and Xiangling
i recently got thoma, and i was exited since i’ve wanted him for so long. i don’t really like meta characters, i more so care about how unique their play style is. when i asked my friends how to build him they just told me not to bother. i really like this video since it’s overall very positive towards my favorite malewife
Just want to add some of what I've learned from Using Thoma with Hu Tao since his release: Pairing up Thoma and Hu Tao with both Yelan and Xingqiu made for a massive damage increase for my team. Not only because both of them are absolutely cracked (obviously), but also because in all honesty, as much as you might be aware and try to prevent thoma from stealing a vape, it can still happen a noticeable amount of times. So pairing Yelan and Xingqiu together on that team will make it so that at least someone will apply hydro for Hu Tao, even if Thoma sneaks in there every now and then. Side note: Hydro resonance will make Hu Tao heal herself more from her burst, which is a slight problem for keeping her under 50%, but its so vastly outweighed by the benefits of the team comp that it's more of a funny thing to mention more than it is a hinderance lol
@@mesh6160 I have heard this as well and have all my fingers and toes crossed it's legit. That could make a huuuuuge difference, and might even be the buff that Thoma needs.
do you think that double hydro is better than running anemo shred? i have both yelan and kazuha and i'm debating on how to run my future hu tao team (since i don't have her yet Sadge) but i'm thinking of building thoma for her since i was gonna run zhongli but pyro resonance seems good with her. i just don't know if she'd benefit more from yelan + xingqiu combined with thoma or kazuha + yelan/xingqiu with thoma
All Inazuma 4 star and some 5 star were designed for the arrival of Dendro. I use 860 EM Thoma in an overload comp with Raiden and Yelan. He is guaranteed to proc the overload while providing thick shield since you only need to invest in 3 stat, EM, HP and ER. He does 16k overload and 20k with VV.
got him in 2.2 and honestly never understood the hate? got him again on my new acct and he's at c6 now and he's really great. obviously not AMAZING but he's so fun to play (for me) and I love playing him with Xiao, but will swap him for Zhongli cases where I feel unsure of certain enemies etc. Thanks for the video! Edit: we need more thoma love
Gorou best in slot support for Itto Yunjin best in slot support for Yoimiya Sara S tier support for Raiden (atk buff + electro resonance) Thoma best off field pyro applicator for burgeon Sayu best in slot sumeru desert exploration October,
I love seeing all this thoma appreciation in the comments. I really liked how he played back when he first came out and I put him in my friendship team. His shield might be weaker than zhongli’s fat barrier, but if you know how to dodge you feel very protected once you’ve got it running. I hope he gets more appreciation once dendro comes out and burning becomes viable. A fun thing I’ll share is I made a meme build cryo thoma with chongyun, yunjin, and bennett. It definitely could be fine tuned more, but I did it for fun and it works well enough that I just pull out the team for the giggles every once in a while. Thoma’s running 4 glad with white tassel and I’ve seen 15k crits before. Plus, it looks really funny on the build screen to see a cryo goblet on the boy lol
Just c6 him in this banner, i had him for level 50 for a while now (like many of my other planning to build characters). Definitely gonna pair him with ayato and yunjin. I wish he could vape better though 🥲 personally i think it would compensate a lot of his kit if he applies bit more pyro since he can't heal & requires lots of ER%. anyhow like how this video tackle Thoma 👍
This is helpful! I'm gonna be pulling for yoimiya, but was nervous because I don't own any of the 'meta' shielders (no Diona or Zhongli and even my Yanfei is sub-c4), but this makes me feel more confident in pairing Thoma with her for some protection, even if it's not the best protection she can get theoretically.
I actually used him for a bit as a melt ayaka team and I thought it did surprisingly well! Also imagine if genshin ads a sac pole arm that be REALLY cool
Like many characters, Tohma can be good with a few number tweaks, but Mihoyo doesn't adjust characters much, so he gets to be mostly useless instead. The problem with the stacking shield is that you can get killed through his shield by a series of hard hits or get interrupted with a couple strong hits within 1 second. Instead, he could have had lower E CD (8-10 sec), some relevant damage, lower burst cost (60 even) and more particle generation and been actually decent. Hell, if his C6 was like 25%, you could probably justify using him with Xiao considering the other alternatives for a third support are like Zhong, Yelan and Tartaglia, especially with Milelith set and favonius spear. Given all his problems and that he is not really best in slot support or even best in slot 4* support, nor able to provide damage buffing until C6 I would not consider him underrated, just plain old mediocre.
I use DPS Thoma but I was also looking for an explanation on how to build him for his shield so I could have a second build for him. Thank you for this video it help A LOT! :3
if you're thoma is 'c4', go for black tassel, hp hp hp sands, gob and circlet. 160-180ER is enough. i pair him on my hu tao and i have enouh energy to use burst again. monster i tested with : midnight masanori, spiral abyss floors bosses.
sooo glad this video popped up on my feed. i need a shielder so bad and i feel like i only see people say thoma's bad like :') he's all i haaave lol so bless you for making this video!
I'm using that Kamisato Team and I'm having fun playing them. Using Thoma as a support for Ayato is great too not only bec of the pryo reaction but considering the lore around them, it's pretty satisfying. 😍
You don't mention something, pyro + dendro create burn, that keep the element pyro on the enemy (that can be use for character to make consistence reaction with pyro if have good pyro and dendro application, thing that with thoma can do :3) That can be a big thoma buff (xiangling can do that to, but why use xiangling like someone that is not the main dps in a team?)
I wanted Thoma as a Pyro applier that didn't require to take Xiangling or Benito out of the National comp, and I'm so close yet so far from getting his C4. Now, out of all the teams you mentioned... I have none of them, AAAND he does tend to proc my reactions... So I'm building an EM Thoma with the Kitain Cross Spear and almost Full EM (I'm switching between EM Sands/Circlet and Pyro Sands/Crit Circlet just to test things), 2pc Wanderer + 2pc Emblem, tho I'm also looking for Noblesse and Emblem artifacts, again, for the sake of science. I still appreciate your guide, and hey if nothing works, I have a bunch of HP Sands
Calamity Queller with Crimson Witch and he is great to fill a spot in teams like cryo kaeya+chungyun with his great timed pyro melts, enough shield for simple interruption resist and actually decent dmg with melts(about 40k+ skill melt crit, almost 10k Burst procs)
16:35 C6 Thoma, and this is the team I use him on. Imo this is one of Xiao's best teams. Pyro resonance plus 15% plunge attack damage makes up for Zhong Li's 20% anemo res shred in the Thoma vs ZL comparison
Thoma is a very nice unit when paired with kequing while he uses his burst and she infuses her sword with electro....even though she attacks very fast ....the overload reaction does set a pretty good damage in my team...haven't removed him from the time I got him...he's a very nice defensive unit...just trying to get him at c4 now to spam those bursts
i absolutely love thoma and built him some time ago without expecting too much considering what i’d heard about him, but he really surprised me with how useful he ended up being ! loved the build guide, he is indeed a great unit that’s way underrated
I remember pre-farming for Thoma and when got him at C0 I was pretty sad with the results lol. Figured it was the lack of cons so I'm slowly building him while trying more cons (C3 currently). Thanks for the tips, but I can't help but feel you're insulting him by bluntly saying his normal atk is "USELESS" lol you could be nice and just say it's useless for this build, not just useless overall.. same for EM and crit. I'm trying to make my Thoma an hybrid so ofc it's extra work, but I'm sure it'll be worth it bc I love him too much! ^^
I have c6 90/90 triple crowned Thoma and I agree he is underrated. My favourite build for him is The Catch with 4 piece Emblem. I tend to run him with a healer like Bennett, Jean, or Gorou, so I leave his HP at 20k which gives me good enough shield and interrupt resist, ER at about 220%. I easily keep 100% uptime on burst and his burst does decent damage too, about 8-9k per wave without buffs. I really like him on Itto team because he creates a lot of crystallize which further buffs the shields and also benefits from Thoma’s passive! Also buffs Itto’s CAs which is his main damage source.
I've seen a few of your vids. This one got the sub. Are you familiar with Soluna's or Kekvin's 'Polearms Only' series? You should show them this video. They'll both want Zhongli, Raiden and Hu Tao at some point (Shenhe and Cyno too, I guess). Having a solid alternative shielder / Pyro resonance enabler for Hu Tao would be a a decent choice for an abyss team (since Z-man invincibility will be needed for Xiao).
Got Thoma C0 during his first banner, built him and had fun with him in the overworld but he really fell short in my abyss runs. Now, I got C4 and also previously acquired Yelan. He replaced Zhongli for my HuTao double hydro team and he works WONDERS. Thoma + XQ combo makes HuTao practically immortal. I think that while it's a 4* set, Instructor is also a viable option on him ONLY IF YOU HAVE THEM. This will make his build a lot more restrictive but that added EM makes HuTao hit even harder!
I love Thoma and my recommendation on artifacts is Millelith set for even more shield strength :D because stacking absorption on absorption break games :D he is also grate with Lisa and Xingqiu)
I remember when Hutao's rerun came by and i went for c1 i ended up getting c6 Thoma too and i gotta say being able to consistently swirl pyro with Kazuha before doing dps as Hutao was invaluable to me pre adding Zhongli and Yelan onto my team.
I don't get why everyone says you need so much ER on Thoma, maybe it's my comp but with Hu Tao/Yelan/Kazuha/Thoma, Thoma having 147% ER and a Staff of Homa (yes Hu Tao has one too), I.. never have energy issues, I guess it's from the pyro swirl + pyro infuse and Hu Tao attacks, right?
So yeah, funny thing. When irodori festival came, I challenged myself to only use Inazuma characters (I only had Kokomi, Sara, Thoma and Gorou). I remember having no idea how Thoma works, but being mesmerized at the Pyro application that let me vaporize Kokomi's attacks (since she was basically my dps at the Irodori festival). Now, I don't have him very leveled up, but seeing this video makes me want to build him again-
Considering current abyss i wanted to build a Pyro support than help my carry survive and my options were xinyan and Thoma since current abyss wants us to use Pyro but i am all electro and cryo main. Thanks for the info gonna bulid him.
I love Thoma (I C6'd him on his first banner and double crowned him) and I do think he's underrated but I still think he's somewhat of a slightly below average performing unit. Like his shield can be very strong and reliable but until you get to C6 he doesn't really offer that much else and even his C6 is kinda underwhelming in practice. The biggest issue that I have with him is that he doesn't really have an artifact set that works really well with him (his burst isn't the most reliable for Noblesse). Like if he actually worked with the tenacity 4p he would be a great support unit and so much easier to build (just a small change to the 4p description not limiting its buffing to skills only would fix everything and not make things unbalanced for other characters). Still though, his shield can be strong and reliable if you can manage to get it to work but he doesn't really have a whole lot else going for him even with his C6. Pyro main DPS Thoma (with C6 Bennett) though is pretty nice ngl since his ascension stat is ATK. Give him a crit 4p Glad or 4p Bolide and toss him in a vape comp (Bennett, Xingqiu, Sucrose/Kazuha) or a geo/pyro comp (Bennett, Yunjin, Traveler/Gorou/Zhongli) or a mono pyro (Bennett, Xiangling, *flex). Plus C6 Noblesse Thoma on fav is a great support option in co-op because he's giving a 20% ATK buff 70% of the time, permanent +15% normal/charged/plunge buff, and reliably helps battery himself and the rest of the team.
My thoma is c4 and I often put him with yoimiya. He has 180% er and 23k hp, he runs with fav lance and a crit rate circlet. His shield is so damn strong even without an hp circlet and my lvl 80 yoimiya almost always comes out unscathed, and 180%er is a very comfortable number for him in this team in my case. I often run him with raiden and bennett as well in single target fights and theyre one of my favorite teams. His place in meta is very niche and limited, but he does make your life a whole lot comfortable since you dont get interrupted
As someone who started in 2.6 and thus don’t have Zhongli, I really appreciate this video! Not having Zhongli (nor Diona) really sucks and it’s put a huge damper on building certain teams.
With c4 I only need 170 er for him. 20% er from 2pc emblem and 51% er from er sand. U can use hp% weapon or em weapon in overload teams. U don't need over 210% er if u have c4 and Thoma is in team that generate energy particles. But in like itto team like mentioned in the video u might need over 200% er
i actually played in abyss with him and ayato and it was surprisingly enjoyable especially if you add there kuki shinobu and some other pyro support like bennet or xianling. strong and easy ayato dps with nice shield + pyro applications on attacks
Thank you for the video! I have a question though. I don't know if you did mention it in the video and I'm just dumb but how muvh Energy recharge would you recommend putting on him?
I use R5 Kitain Spear for him, and it really works well for him. I cant give him any other polearm since FavLance is not available (r5 FL is on Yunjin, r4 is in Zhongli) and The catch is used by Raiden
@@Lucas-cv9up i have two sets for him, depending on what time i slot him in 1. 2pc Tenacity x 2pc Emblem 2. 4pc Noblesse Triple HP%, His ER is Meh, but with R5 Kitain, it doesn't feel bad to not have ER sands -- at least for me
NOTE: I BRAIN-FARTED the mainstat graphic, Goblets CANNOT have ER% mainstats.
ALSO, explanation as to why Staff of Homa wasn’t recommended:
Staff of Homa is primarily a DPS weapon, and as such, Thoma can’t make good use of the crit value and high base ATK without sacrificing much needed HP and ER rolls for crit rate rolls. This alone already makes optimizing him much more difficult when using Staff of Homa BUT, to further that issue, Staff of Homa’s HP bonus on the weapon passive isn’t even half of what Black Tassel can provide, and doesn’t provide even half of the value that (for example) The Catch, Engulfing Lightning, Fav Lance, Starglitter, etc. can provide, and most of those weapons are 4 stars.
“But Marcus, Zhongli uses Staff of Homa really well”
Zhongli’s energy requirements are extremely low, especially especially compared to Thoma, so he doesn’t need to worry about ER% rolls as much anyways (allowing him to focus more on other stats), PLUS, his most valuable asset (shielding) is tied to his skill, not his burst. So the crit value and high base ATK of Staff of Homa is just an added bonus on top of his already very forgiving build needs.
If you plan to build Thoma as some sort of SubDPS hybrid, Homa could be a decent choice, but as a shield support, he is not the sharty bae for Homa.
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no but seriously how stupid do you have to be to play Bennet in a yoimiya team with no shield... not only does yoimiya autos run her off bennet ult so she cant even fully utilized it without dashing and running her atk combo(which u need to go to 5 or else is a big dps loss), she needs a shielder 1000% of the time for the same fucking reason.
“But Marcus, Zhongli uses Staff of Homa really well”
Yes, because Z-man can smack you in the face with Order.
I'd like to share my thoma build. 2 emblem 2 millelith ER sands, EM goblet, EM circlet, Kaitin spear R5 and as much ER HP rolls on my artifacts as possible. But I like the EM for overload and hopefully it will be useful with dendro too ;)
OK but consider: Staff of THoma
Talking about Thoma in a positive light? Alright, when did my TH-cam recommendations become so incredibly based
Heizou is another char for whom Thoma can work magic. You can't swirl Geo, and Genshin's One-Punch Man needs to swirl something for those declension stacks. Heizou also uses a lot of normal attacks, shield will be refreshed easily. Heizou also brings his own VV set. So yea, Thoma will keep him on his feet, and if you add a Xiangling and Xingqiu, and you got off-field damage galore to give some sustain damage on top of those single punches.
100% based. I run Heizou, Thoma, and two off fields such as kaeya or xingqiu, or even albedo for added crystal shields, and man the damage and swirls are INSANE!
thoma is honestly so unloved, but hes so great.
Try em thoma with abit of hp substats. Dendro is coming
He also gives Yoimya pyro res buff. The problem is Bennett. Because like you can't get rid of Yunjin.
best part about heizou - thoma combo is thoma’s burst made heizou looked like a fire bender
flame breathing Heizou tho
I love seeing underrated characters being truly explained.
yeah, it's like in a movie, most of the time all the attention goes to the protagonist but sometimes, we would love to see some spotlight on the other underrated characters.
He isnt underrated, he doesnt have a single team where he is the best.
@@1sie which equals to shit in genshin community. Why? Because resource is *very* limited in genshin. Building characters takes a shit ton of mora, exp book, talent mats, and most importantly, resin.
Can you like his design, personality, etc? Of course you can! It's called preference and opinion. But for the sake of efficiency, power level, team synergy, and resource, he really is a bad choice compared to other characters. At least for now, before dendro reaction comes out
@@aggaviriyo790 yea, I believe that too but the lack of a good pyro shielder in the game is what makes him somewhat useful, I hope you can agree
@@1sie No, he IS the best option in a Hu Tao + Kazuha comp
An early rolled Thoma ended up carrying me through various points throughout the game, despite being locked at 20 for ages. I leveled him up so fast when I unlocked the fog island. He kept hopping off the bench right when everyone else was struggling to carry and somehow saved the day. He earned his keep. He's only kept being useful even in the higher levels. So I will gladly show up to a video offering Thoma much needed love.
May is ask how? I mean his shield is underpowered essentially
@@GammelGäddan05 Sounds like someone who didn't get their free Noelle to carry them through the game instead. Imagine thinking a level 20 Thoma's shield carried them though anything.
Imagine thinking everyone has the same play style and will always find the same value with the same characters
@@MrPsychopathy Noelle was my third roll actually. Couldn't find geo cube for a while and then an automatic world leveling caused geo cube to be one of the last boss fights I got around to beating.
And you missed my point. I technically had him benched. I'd switch my comp around for basically everyone I had at various spots. It was only after trying with all my 40s-50s that I'd switch him in and my run would be successful.
And Noelle can't use Black Tassel. Ot provide pyro resonance.
@@GammelGäddan05 In Thoma's burst, his shield refreshes and goes stronger over time. Great when fighting overworld hoards in tight places and wonky camera controls. You'll block more than one attack, and it provides a resistance to stagger so you can keep doing damage. His pyro aoe helped in fights. He offers pyro resonance for extra damage. He was my only polearm for a while so he made use of Black Tassel which was literally required by my under leveled butt for Cloud Retainer's adobe and it's slime hoard. Plus it gave him an HP buff enough to put him on par with the others, at least enough for the shield to be useful.
I feel like the only thing Thoma needs to become more widely accepted is a sacrificial spear. Every other weapon has a sacrificial weapon except for the spears. If he had a sac spear you could just use his skill twice in a row to greatly reduce his energy problems and make his shield much thiccer.
sacrificial spear will not be coming to the game due to lore reasons because the polearm type was typically frowned upon in old mondstadt :(
Thoma has a ton of competition for his niches, with other shielding options like C2 Shield Xinyan, C4 Yanfei, Diona, Zhongli for general shielding and Albedo/Gorou for frequent mini shields via crystallize. This in addition to his energy issues requiring you take away from his shield strength even more, requiring auto attacks to even function, and his pyro application often having negative synergy with reactions makes him a very unintuitively designed character from a gameplay perspective.
I think Thoma will become much more relevant once Dendro drops and burning comps are drafted. Burning needs constant Dendro application, not Pyro, so he will be a pretty good shielder for an EM Dendro carry.
no he still useless
Im sorry.. truly
Burgeon will probably make him more meta than burning…
@@romdom9406 why tho
@@romdom9406 He’s one of the best options for burgeon why u acting like he’s on copium
I love videos about less used characters. Especially the imo underappreciated inazuma 4* cast
I love Thoma so much…He is the reason I installed Genshin back in 2.0 and he never left my team since his debut, I’m always upgrading him to be the best he can be and it makes me happy to see a positive video about his gameplay since most of the time they aren’t exactly…Nice about his kit, hell I see some just call him “the most trash character” whenever he’s on screen. Sometimes the Genshin community is really toxic toward characters that aren’t “meta” because anyone is viable if you just take the time and energy to do so, but most people aren’t willing to do that.
thoma is just cool. as someone who has taken multiple month long breaks since launch(between my luck and motivation to play with what i had i just couldn't keep playing) however thoma is amazing imo. hes a good sub shelder and i just like him in general. now that I've officially gotten back into the grind(i got itto when he first came out and got heizou so i am now motivated and saving for childe) i can happily say thoma has a place in my team. he could be better obviously but him,and plenty others really aren't that bad. they just require a little more effort to make good
Also I don't care if he 'isnt meta', didn't stop me from using Xinyan, and he can be strong in the right scenario and is overall a good asset to any team
@@MythicAce218 I wish you luck on getting Childe! I was super lucky to get him and Thoma with around 200 Intertwined Fates, and I have both on my team. I agree Thoma and others could be better, but no character is really terrible.
@@autobee23 i thank you for that. im ftp and missed his last rerun so im trying to save(hopefully for a guarantee) when he comes back which im hoping isn't too soon. i want time to save up my wishes
It would be great if people would treat Genshin as a game......not warfield. I mean play whoever and whatever you like! Have fun! For example I hate Childe so I'm not using him (though I have him. Wasted primogems). I hate yyoyoyomiya - her voice to be honest, so I will not pull for her ever. Ayato was meh for me, so I didn't pull for him. BUT I love Lisa! And I often play as her. She carried so many teams in dragonspire domains I cannot even count. They were all dead. all hutaos etc. I love Kokomi and pulled for her and she is not leaving my team since her banner. We all remember hate on Kokomi. So what? She is beautiful. So people should stop judging. Don't like it? Don't play it. Peace & love
Especially for Thoma I wish we had a shield health bar in the game.
After unintentionally getting him to C6 pulling for Heizou, he’s my shielder ever since and I gotta say… he’s serviceable. Hehe
Him with EM Kuki and DPS Heizou is ayyyt.
Yes! I’ve been having fun with him in my Haizou/kuki team and looking forward to seeing how he works with future dendro characters
Eyy had him like 4x to c6 and 1x ninguang also c6 while only getting 1 heizou
That sounds like a fun team
Please share your luck for Thoma constellations.
I only get catalysts (both weapons and characters, c1 Heizou from like 40 pulls) and I already got Kazuha. I try to save for Yoimiya, but it's taunting.
Never have I lost so many 50/50 for 4 stars.
@@toucoon That's sad! Everyone has a Kryptonite character and mine is Yanfei. Hopefully they give free Thoma in an Inazuma event.
on the hutao team, I replaced Kazuha with Yelan which prevents thoma from stealing any vapes from hutao. The con to this is I lose the anemo character slot like kazuha, missing out on the extra damage with the VV shred but what I got in return was more consistent vape charged attacks from hutao dealing around 60k per charged atk. and this also frees kazuha and zhongli to be used in the 2nd team (hypercarry raiden, melt ganyu, or permafreeze ayaka).
very very valid! I’d say this team alteration depends on who is stronger on your account, if Xiangling/Kazuha are strong on your account, they’d work better than the Thoma/Yelan combo vice versa
in general though thoma (for me personally) feels great with Hu Tao whether you use double hydro or regular vape, just cause his added shielding and buffing is fun and reliable
@@dragonflymarcus yes I absolutely agree! Ever since I got Yelan I always use Hu Tao Thoma XQ Yelan in the abyss 12 and oh my god is it so much more comfy to play compared to double VV
Idk if you look at leaks or not so let me just give a warning here.
⚠️ LEAKS BELOW⚠️
Some 3.0 leaks have stated that Hydro resonance would be changed from giving healing bonus% to instead give +25%HP. This is a huge buff for hydro characters as most of them scale with HP. But more importantly, this would make the team comp Hu Tao, Thoma, Xingqiu, and Yelan a very powerful comp because all of them scale with HP in 1 way shape or form. Even better is that with this team comp, your Hu Tao will now be able to go for an EM sands for better vape damage.
@@FrenchDinosaur ⚠️Reply to a leak⚠️
As someone who uses Childe and Ningguang as a dps, it’s clear that as early characters they were figuring out where they wanted to go with both elements. Both of them scale differently from a majority of the other characters for their element. I’m really taking L’s. Thankfully I also have Hu Tao, so it’s not all bad.
@@FrenchDinosaur Wait for real?? I hope this leak is true, hydro resonance is so awful and it would benefit so many more characters to change it to hp. 💙
Next I want electro resonance to be changed to 25% ER because electro is all about energy, and it would be a lot better than the current electro resonance
It's so nice to see some Thoma appreciation. Thoma was one of my first units (maybe not one of the first acquired, but one of the first that I actually build and played with) and as someone who was new to the game and didn't know much I was so happy with him. He literally carried my team from AR25 to AR40 alongside Kaeya so it always hurt a little to see people shit on him or dismiss him and only praise him as a househusband as if that's his only trait. Yeah... I am pissed that he doesn't have a better kit and that he's easily replaceable, but I still love him as a character and play with him fairly often
My Kaeya and Thoma both do around 25k-35k per E skill :D I love them so much
@@RenaissanceRockerBoy My Kaeya is still carrying my team. He carries my Diluc. He carries my Xiao. Carries my Ayato. I'm a Kaeya main actually so I love him. My Thoma is kinda benched from time to time, bc I have been trying diff characters, but he's still a character that I use often.
i really like thomas kit(i don't have zhongli or diona) hes a perfect shelder for me and while he doesn't do that much damage,now that i got heizou i finally have a team for him. he doesn't deserve his hate
@@MythicAce218 I do have Diona but I don't use her at all. I always go with Thoma and I really like him. I'd like for HYV to buff him (and most of Inazuma 4stars) bc he receives such unnecessary hate for literal no reason just because people don't understand his playstyle.
@@yuledevorak8244 his accended stat should be hp. i also feel he needs a damage buff. unfortunately i never got to use him(hes c0 and i want to wait till chidle comes back to pull) and itto is my main dps so its hard to use him to his full potential. however now that i got heizou i can use him as a pyro applier so im gonna try and work on him now that he has a place for a team. also hoe good is diona anyway?
As a thoma main....I'm happy this boi is finally getting some recognition. ^^
Edit: dragonfly: "Ignore the attack talent unless you're insane, in which case Godspeed solider"
Me: *has almost triple crowned Thoma* I just think he's neat :D
....yes I'm a full on simp for thoma XD
Same here like my build is not this nor are the artefacts or weapon. He still does work quiet well usally with ayato cuz hey, then add in whoever else I want
After I saw DPS Barbara, I realized that Love Conquers All Meta. Build who you want, you can always make it work
As a player with Sub DPS triple crowned Thoma, I honestly got scared because most Thoma guides have all been underplaying this character and I figured how would this video be different from the others. So I commend you at the very least for still doing a guide for him during his rate-up, and a very informative one at that! It is true that if you build him for his shield, he is very easy to build as you just have to focus on ER and HP. But the reason why I choose Sub DPS over Shield support is because his shield is already so strong even with minimal HP investment so why not amplify up his damage? Though yes, for him to be built for his damage is more investment, you gotta think: if he "steals" vaporize reactions, then why don't you build him to vaporize himself?
Also, if built as a Sub DPS, his strongest team is actually a mono Pyro team with Bennett, a Pyro main DPS (notably Klee), and an anemo VV holder (Kazuha, Jean, etc) other than a reverse vaporize team with either Childe or Ayato. Another fun but niche team is a soup team with Thoma, an electro Sub DPS (Fischl, Beidou), a hydro Sub DPS (Xingqiu, Yelan), and an Anemo driver (Heizou, Sucrose). My strongest team right now where I use Thoma is a double Pyro and double Anemo team with Bennett, Kazuha, Thoma, and Heizou as the main DPS.
For more information about more Thoma builds, the Thoma mains server has a really dedicated community and we currently have a guide for different kinds of Thoma roles along with a document on the way before the release of Dendro once Sumeru comes out. On the latter note, I can already tell Thoma will be really valuable, maybe over Bennett and Xiangling because he will be shielding you against the well-known Burning reaction. Overall, thank you for doing a guide for a really underrated character and I hope people would stop spreading uneducated comments against him.
Ooh what's your sub dps Thoma build, if you don't mind sharing???
@@Malin0vkka 4pc. EOSF with an ADC build (Atk-Pyro Dmg-Crit). He is using The Catch.
Have you tried him 2 shimenawa and 2 crimson witch to make up for his atk stats then focus the artifacts on hp and er?
hello, im interested in joining the Thoma mains server!!! :'DD
very well put together video, but 2 notes
4pc instructors is Thomas Best in Slot set for Vape Teams
your artifact options are: 4pc Instructors, 4pc Noblesse
4emblem is rarely worth using
Thank you for the shoutout in description btw
Thoma, Kuki, Heizou plus another off field support is really fun to play.
I use Raiden over kuki and then I use a DPS style Barbara
i love seeing people enjoy thoma, hes one of my favourite characters to use. Nobody ever gives him the time of day. his kit is far from great but its so fun to play
After getting Yelan, I built Thoma in anticipation for the Kazuha rerun in order to restructure my Hu Tao team away from GeoBros. Being able to double swirl and vape while shielded means that sometimes my Hu Tao doesn't even hit the field before things have died. So many characters get a lot of hate because they aren't universally overpowered supports/nukes like Bennett/Raiden, Thoma fits a burgeoning niche and supports specific teams very nicely. Having the HP scaling with Hu Tao and Yelan (especially C4) is also really nice.
do you think that double hydro is better than running anemo shred? i have both yelan and kazuha and i'm debating on how to run my future hu tao team (since i don't have her yet Sadge)
but i'm thinking of building thoma for her since i was gonna run zhongli but pyro resonance seems good with her. i just don't know if she'd benefit more from yelan + xingqiu combined with thoma or kazuha + yelan/xingqiu with thoma
@@pearlmoonprincess Depends on your Yelan cons. Mine's at C6, so I don't need the additional Hydro application and I find running Kazu yields higher damage output. But I've heard double Hydro can be comfier, not to mention the rumoured changes to Hydro resonance coming in 3.0.
i have my thoma double crowned (skill +burst) and i dont regret anything lmaooo
my main build on him is hp/hp/crit rate emblem/tenacity with fav lance. at 30k+ hp and 180%+ er, i can reliably have his burst up when i need it and its strong enough to tank pretty much anything. hes my 2nd strongest shielder (zhongli is obvi my strongest)
for the memes, i like putting a full emblem set on him (hp/pyro dmg/crit rate) with homa and hes not half bad lol
To be honest I would recommend Skill > Burst since the total shield durability scales with Skill level, not Burst. His shield refreshes wouldn't be as effective if the initial shield and its upper limit is low ...
Still though, thank you for the insights! I've been neglecting Thoma for a long time, so this was just what I needed to bring him up to par!
Honestly, thoma's constellations good because it has so much utility, but i highly recommend c4, it saves him so much energy for his burst, c6 however you might think is good, but not even a considerable amount of damage he can add up to your dps, my hutao deals 132k charged attack with thoma at c4 before, then after i got my c6 thoma on kazuha's banner, the buff was unrecognizable. My hutao dealt 133k. Just a 1k dmg difference.
I wanted to get him to c4 but I couldn't 😭 I only got his c3
You know what else is CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED? Your channel!! Amazing content, thanks for the nice light on our boy Thoma!!
I feel Thoma got mega buffed when Yelan came because he can’t steal Hu Tao vapes anymore on double hydro team. And if you run Noblesse on Xingqiu and 4 piece instructor on Thoma you get such a huge boost of dmg.
I currently run Sucrose, Thoma, Xinqiu and Yelan. Sucrose gets to facetank almost everything while Swirling Hydro and Some Pyro
Thoma isn't bad, he's niche. You use thoma typically when you want a shielder, pyro resonance and have someone who auto attacks constantly. Klee, Ayato, Yoymiya, Hutao. The thing is, alot of characters are burst DPS and well, Benny exists and will be a better option no matter what. I like using him in mono pyro with Klee, Benny Boy, and Kazuha.
I like using him in a vape team with my Benny, Ayato, and Kazuha. Since ayato can't move he makes a great shielder, giving protection and pyro resonance. He and Benny fuel each other too, and c6 buffs ayato
I use him with dps yanfei. She needs shields anyways and the extra pyro also helps xingqui pull of some vapes of his own while yanfei vapes his rainswords. Her auto attacks proc both thoma and xinquis off field attacks perfectly.
Teams I use Thoma in:
Anemo-driver Reaction Teams - Both Sucrose and Heizou are rather squishy so I really love having Thoma's shield on them. Thoma's burst just adds to the soup of numbers.
Eula-Thoma-Diona-Raiden - Gotta make sure neither Eula nor Raiden get interrupted during their bursts, or else I'd lose DPS. I'm not sure Diona by herself has the uptime to shield both of their Burst Windows back-to-back.
Only thing is tankfei is just a better thoma :/
@@aquamentai dps yanfei is a better tankfei
I think they tried to tailor his kit around Ayato but in the end they tried to make him not OP by giving him the standard ICD. I think without ICD he could’ve been a pyro Xingqiu or atleast who could compare to Xingqiu
It's not even ICD when it comes to supporting Ayato, he is just applying the pyro too slow (every second), so he will always trigger the vape after couple Ayato attacks.
@@MrPsychopathy its exactly because of ICD that he applies pyro too slow. Take note that Xingqui not only applies hydro through the actual hydro sword attack but also through the floating mini swords that floats on the characters. If thomas shield can also apply pyro then he will be a good off field pyro applier.
I truly hope they remove his ICD :(
@@DarkKnight_god it is not just ICD though. He can only apply pyro every second with his burst, while Xingqui does it every 0.5 sec and even he can't keep up with fast attackers.
This is really helpful, I've been considering creating a second team with Heizou, Kaeya, Thoma and Xinqiu but I didn't really understand how his kit worked. Now I got an idea of what I'd like to do, thanks, man!
Seems like a nice 4* team to build! Heizou swirls must be fun to do with all those elements
I'm 3 minutes and 27 seconds in and I already see his potential. It took me several months to finally understand his kit. Thank you!
Chongyun's been my main DPS since I first pulled him back on the beginner banner when I started, and I really enjoy how the two synergize together. He even replaced Zhongli on my adventuring party for his pyro synergy with Bennett and reverse melts with Chongyun. I'm really glad I got him back when he first came out, and achieved C6 on this banner while pulling for Heizou.
Chongyun my main dps too! Trying to build Ayaka but taking a long time to farm her ascension materials. Chongyun, Thoma and Kazuha working well for me.
@@miracleblue987 Cool :D I'll admit I also enjoy paring Kazuha with the boys. Good luck building Ayaka!
I'm currently using C6 Thoma on my Xiao team.
I've been using C6 Noelle before but I felt more comfortable using Thoma over her likely because of his shield uptime and I can reliably fill up his burst esp. w/ fav lance.
Although I'll still be gunning for Zhongli whenever he comes back.
Great news, only a few hours left but I'm pretty sure you already know that by now x)
@@Elvyne yep. That account wants diona for my ayaka freeze team as well as Zhongli for Xiao. Not to mention an opportunity to c6 fischl and also collei. Perfect banner for me.
I always liked him as a character, but I unintentionally got him to C6. I then paired him Cyno as an EM beast and sat back and watched the explosions happen.
What a great video about Thoma! One thing I would argue is you dont need that much ER (200%) on Thoma, especially if you have C4 & run him with favonius users or another pyro unit. But 200% is definitely a safe choice for noblesse user!
You haven’t mentioned some teamcomps that i’ve tried with Thoma, so let me throw some of mine in!
Ayato-Thoma Overvape team: Ayato+Thoma+Fischl/Beidou+Bennett (similar to soup team but no anemo)
Ayaka-Thoma Melt team: Ayaka+Thoma+Xiangling+Diona (thoma generates so many particles for xiangling & great against unfreezable mobs! This also frees your Bennett to be in the other team)
Pyro Swirl: Heizou+Thoma+Xiangling+Jean/Sayu (i don’t have jean and sayu, but i think it sounds fun)
I think I also heard EM overload Thoma is good? I never tried it though.
I think it’s really fun to play the game different characters and I hope for more variety in genshin. Anyway, thank you for this video!
I really love how Thoma and Gorou look so I always want to run around as them in the map. Thank you for making this video so I can keep Thoma in my party QwQ.
Lol I thought I was the only one
Can't wait for the eventual Burgeon Thoma video
I'm ready to build my Thoma since he's already at C5. This video made me want to raise him more because of the in-depth explanation regarding his kit. Thank youu!!
I use him to free up bennet when playing Raiden and Xiangling together with Yae. He synergizes really well with Raiden. Haven’t experimented much with Xinqiu instead of Yae, but I bet his limited pyro application won’t disrupt xianglings vapes too much. His stonks will go up when dendro is out and he acts as an enabler for bursting those bloom seeds created from dendro and hydro. That’s evident from the preview vid HoYo released
4:17 This part was so funny because it's literally what happenned to me (Accidentally got Kazuha trying to pull for Thoma cons)
C6 6-12-12 Thoma enjoyer here. Reaching the max shield is basically guaranteed by your 2nd rotation. He's good, the only drawback is you need to farm hard for ER substats and adhere to a strict team rotation. He's 1 half of pyro resonance. He applies pyro so you can VV shred and Kazuha buff your pyro dps. Coolest attack string on a 4 star (if you care about that kinda thing).
Just let me say, Thoma + Kuki on ToM, and you get 55% shield strength. And Thoma can apply pyro consistently enough for Kuki to overload every other tick. I think Hoyo will try to make overload a thing later. It just sucks when you have to chase enemies down.):
I find that overloaded teams work fine in AoE as long as you use Venti, Sucrose, and/or Kazuha (and for the latter 2, sac weapons and C1 are helpful)
overload can be viable if you're fighting bosses or chonky enemies that can't get tossed around, like ruin enemies! it's not a reaction that's suitable for every situation, but it can definitely be strong.
Try overload with Jean's burst. She applies anemo for swirls every time an enemy enters or exits her bubble. She also reduces velocity from overload explosions, so you don't have to worry about overload explosions scattering the enemies so much. I run a sunfire overvape team and it just absolutely shreds anything I throw it at
finally some love for thoma! i got him to c6 recently and found that he's a pretty decent support for heizou too, bc he enables him to swirl consistently to gain stacks for his skill. plus pyro/anemo resonance benefits my team (heizou, jean, bennett, thoma) in every way! i liked him before but now at c6 i really feel it's justified to use him more - even got him to friendship 10 finally :)
I think there was a mistake about the tankfei thrilling tales on hu tao buff. It may not be much compared to all other buffs like kazuha and maybe lower team dps due to strict rotations, but it is noticeable considering hu tao still scales on attack. However on tankfei teams proto amber is used for healing and shield while someone like sucrose would hold ttods.
Biggest issue is the rotation. On double pyro Tao team, you want to swirl pyro. Forcing TToDS on Tankfei would lead to a really impractical rotation, forcing Tao just doing nothing for a bit after Tankfei, switching to anemo and then back to Tao.
@@c.nathaniel9017 nope, start with tankfei burst, then skill, swirl that pyro with sucrose, XQ burst then hutao away, then start the rotation again. theres literally no down time and most importantly no need to stack a shield like you would with wack ass thoma and no stolent vapes
@@KeqingXHuTao pretty sure they meant the ttods on tankfei would be an issue with rotations, not the whole team itself. If we follow the rotation while on ttods tankfei, sucrose would get the buff and by the time we get to hutao which is pretty fast, ttods would still not be available. The issue isn't that the team rotation itself, it's the rotation where you put ttods of tankfei instead of sucrose.
@@notdog-san7933 oh yea,fully agree then. personally, i run pro abmber as ttds isnt all that great for HuTao comps
I just love him cuz his character is so cozy🤗🥺 idc about everything else imma just gonna invest in him
It took me nearly 180 summons to pull him once, so yes, I was going to use him. He's nice to have around, be it for my melee or ranged DPS. (I also have a DPS build for him but that's my secret formula.)
His ability works on ranged heros ? O_o
@@adityapawar1422 His burst work on Normal Atk, which all characters have.
In fact, range dps could even make used of him better than melee as his burst most of the time wouldn't reach the enemies and wouldn't steal dmg as much.
I got like 4 Thoma before my first Heizou
watching this guide now as i have c6 thoma and have been using him with wanderer, and didnt know how to really build him but noticed sometimes thomas sheild duration was extremely long and sometimes it was super short i am more informed now thank you.
4:18 the exact reason I got here, tried pulling for Kazuha and got Thoma from C1 to C6 instead. Gotta put those pulls into good use now.
Just got a C6 thoma on accident, and I am interested in building him. This video helps! thanks!
Had Thoma since his release, levelled him up and used him a bit but I couldn't figure out how to make proper use of him. Then I got Yoimiya yesterday, and I really wanted to bring Thoma out for some air and saw your video just on time. I'm going to properly build him this time! A bit rare to see any Thoma appreciation ngl
Thoma has been a huge blessing to me as a Heizou main. My team is Heizou, Barbara, Raiden, and Thoma. I used to main Barbara as a DPS Nuke Barbara build, so she's no joke and can do 10k damage easily with TTDS. With Barbara on the team, Thoma's shield is not as important. Raiden also helps take care of energy needs, allowing me to build triple HP stats on Thoma. The icing on the cake is Raiden's skill and thoma's burst. That combo makes every punch of Heizou a literal explosion. If Thoma's burst is not up, Barbara's skill and Raiden's skill switches heizou's punches from overload to electro-charge. This is a highly reactive team that can handle almost any situation. Thoma's shield and the passive healing of Barbara's skill makes my team all but untouchable.
I missed if this is mentioned but what Thoma does that Zhongli can't is activate pyro resonance. That's why I pair him with Klee.
I love seeing more Thoma appreciation, thank you!
I think mihoyo is onto something. First they release chrcters that are bad to lackluster at best, then few updates later another chr comes out that really goes well with said first one. Here, Thoma. If you use him and heizou togather, i swear they're the most fun to play 4 stars.
Thanks so much for this Thoma vid! (He needs more love) Ive had him c6 double crowned since day one and loved his ability to shield from dmg and stagger! I ended up loving him way more than Zhongli on a hutao team since his shields were easily refreshable which meant more time on hutao
Hear me out. Fire bender Heizou team. We go main dps Heizou of course. Xiangling with her attack bonus at the high enough level, shields and lots of firepower from our Thoma. And since I always run with a healer I chose to go with explosions and went with Kuki. Alternatively I've been considering running with Sayu though I haven't tried it yet. My Kuki, Heizou and Thoma all currently sitting at level 40 under their ascension and this team handles itself very well even with my world level of 6. Though not perfect.
6:20 thrilling tales does help out itto tho?
His main gimmick is that he converts all his defense to attack, so having the Ttods buff on top of his burst conversion is super helpful
I use itto with a ningguang with Ttods and the atk buffs nice
but TToDS doesn't take into account his attack after the conversion, it converts his ATK before the burst translation (which is very low because of his very low base ATK).
I didn't say it doesn't help him (or hu tao) , just not much at all, especially not compared to how it helps other units
@@dragonflymarcus ahhh I see what you mean
I thought you meant that it was useless on him but u right
I tried, I really did. Got really excited when I got Thoma's C6 thinking I could finally make use of him. It's not worth it. His shield is still too high maintenance, especially with the unrealistic amount of ER needed. I'd rather use Bennett for the atk buff, even with Hu Tao as I can at least enter or leave his healing pad as needed. But even then she just doesn't need it and I prefer Zhongli for comfort. Thoma needs more utility.
I have him with just under 200 ER and 31k HP (2 pc tenacity/emblem). He seems abyss ready to me. Only thing is weaving in NORMAL attacks to stack his shield.
Try to use the Catch on him, it's great and covers all his weaknesses. You got Crit Rate while ult up (which u want) you got Energy Recharge and he does more Damage. Perfect. Also he is a great battery for another Pyro Unit and can also shield!
@@chaosinfernoid9008 the thing about using the Catch on Thoma is that unless you're not running any other spear users, the Catch won't be available to units such as Raiden and Xiangling
@@Rizoku_ Favonius works fine with me! Still got to 31k HP with triple HP% main stats and over 40% crit rate!
Skill issue literally
i recently got thoma, and i was exited since i’ve wanted him for so long. i don’t really like meta characters, i more so care about how unique their play style is. when i asked my friends how to build him they just told me not to bother. i really like this video since it’s overall very positive towards my favorite malewife
Just want to add some of what I've learned from Using Thoma with Hu Tao since his release:
Pairing up Thoma and Hu Tao with both Yelan and Xingqiu made for a massive damage increase for my team. Not only because both of them are absolutely cracked (obviously), but also because in all honesty, as much as you might be aware and try to prevent thoma from stealing a vape, it can still happen a noticeable amount of times. So pairing Yelan and Xingqiu together on that team will make it so that at least someone will apply hydro for Hu Tao, even if Thoma sneaks in there every now and then.
Side note: Hydro resonance will make Hu Tao heal herself more from her burst, which is a slight problem for keeping her under 50%, but its so vastly outweighed by the benefits of the team comp that it's more of a funny thing to mention more than it is a hinderance lol
To my knowledge, (leaks)
3.0 will buff hydro res to increase hp by 30% instead of healing bonus
@@mesh6160 which will buff both hu tao and thoma even more and make the team even better
@@mesh6160 I have heard this as well and have all my fingers and toes crossed it's legit. That could make a huuuuuge difference, and might even be the buff that Thoma needs.
@@mesh6160 yeah i heard that too, but didn't want to say anything lol. I really hope its true
do you think that double hydro is better than running anemo shred? i have both yelan and kazuha and i'm debating on how to run my future hu tao team (since i don't have her yet Sadge)
but i'm thinking of building thoma for her since i was gonna run zhongli but pyro resonance seems good with her. i just don't know if she'd benefit more from yelan + xingqiu combined with thoma or kazuha + yelan/xingqiu with thoma
All Inazuma 4 star and some 5 star were designed for the arrival of Dendro. I use 860 EM Thoma in an overload comp with Raiden and Yelan. He is guaranteed to proc the overload while providing thick shield since you only need to invest in 3 stat, EM, HP and ER. He does 16k overload and 20k with VV.
I got c6 Thoma instead c6 Heizou but then I decided to build him and now he is my main shielder
got him in 2.2 and honestly never understood the hate? got him again on my new acct and he's at c6 now and he's really great. obviously not AMAZING but he's so fun to play (for me) and I love playing him with Xiao, but will swap him for Zhongli cases where I feel unsure of certain enemies etc. Thanks for the video!
Edit: we need more thoma love
gotta say, Kitain Cross Spear is not bad in general... I like using my R5 on Xiangling, because her Guoba can produce quite a bit of Energy using it.
Gorou best in slot support for Itto
Yunjin best in slot support for Yoimiya
Sara S tier support for Raiden (atk buff + electro resonance)
Thoma best off field pyro applicator for burgeon
Sayu best in slot sumeru desert exploration
October,
I love seeing all this thoma appreciation in the comments. I really liked how he played back when he first came out and I put him in my friendship team. His shield might be weaker than zhongli’s fat barrier, but if you know how to dodge you feel very protected once you’ve got it running. I hope he gets more appreciation once dendro comes out and burning becomes viable.
A fun thing I’ll share is I made a meme build cryo thoma with chongyun, yunjin, and bennett. It definitely could be fine tuned more, but I did it for fun and it works well enough that I just pull out the team for the giggles every once in a while. Thoma’s running 4 glad with white tassel and I’ve seen 15k crits before. Plus, it looks really funny on the build screen to see a cryo goblet on the boy lol
Really enjoy your videos and humor. 1:08 gave me a good laugh haha, thank you!
I’m pairing him with Heizou right now and loving it! I was lucky to get some more constellations for him. I think he’s pretty underrated, poor guy.
Just c6 him in this banner, i had him for level 50 for a while now (like many of my other planning to build characters). Definitely gonna pair him with ayato and yunjin. I wish he could vape better though 🥲 personally i think it would compensate a lot of his kit if he applies bit more pyro since he can't heal & requires lots of ER%. anyhow like how this video tackle Thoma 👍
This is helpful! I'm gonna be pulling for yoimiya, but was nervous because I don't own any of the 'meta' shielders (no Diona or Zhongli and even my Yanfei is sub-c4), but this makes me feel more confident in pairing Thoma with her for some protection, even if it's not the best protection she can get theoretically.
I actually used him for a bit as a melt ayaka team and I thought it did surprisingly well! Also imagine if genshin ads a sac pole arm that be REALLY cool
Like many characters, Tohma can be good with a few number tweaks, but Mihoyo doesn't adjust characters much, so he gets to be mostly useless instead. The problem with the stacking shield is that you can get killed through his shield by a series of hard hits or get interrupted with a couple strong hits within 1 second. Instead, he could have had lower E CD (8-10 sec), some relevant damage, lower burst cost (60 even) and more particle generation and been actually decent. Hell, if his C6 was like 25%, you could probably justify using him with Xiao considering the other alternatives for a third support are like Zhong, Yelan and Tartaglia, especially with Milelith set and favonius spear.
Given all his problems and that he is not really best in slot support or even best in slot 4* support, nor able to provide damage buffing until C6 I would not consider him underrated, just plain old mediocre.
Thoma video? This is why we appreciate you.
I use DPS Thoma but I was also looking for an explanation on how to build him for his shield so I could have a second build for him. Thank you for this video it help A LOT! :3
if you're thoma is 'c4', go for black tassel, hp hp hp sands, gob and circlet. 160-180ER is enough. i pair him on my hu tao and i have enouh energy to use burst again. monster i tested with : midnight masanori, spiral abyss floors bosses.
sooo glad this video popped up on my feed. i need a shielder so bad and i feel like i only see people say thoma's bad like :') he's all i haaave lol so bless you for making this video!
I'm using that Kamisato Team and I'm having fun playing them. Using Thoma as a support for Ayato is great too not only bec of the pryo reaction but considering the lore around them, it's pretty satisfying. 😍
I love Thoma but for some time I was like disappointed by some problems with him.
But now I know how he works! Thank you!!!
You don't mention something, pyro + dendro create burn, that keep the element pyro on the enemy
(that can be use for character to make consistence reaction with pyro if have good pyro and dendro application, thing that with thoma can do :3)
That can be a big thoma buff (xiangling can do that to, but why use xiangling like someone that is not the main dps in a team?)
I wanted Thoma as a Pyro applier that didn't require to take Xiangling or Benito out of the National comp, and I'm so close yet so far from getting his C4.
Now, out of all the teams you mentioned... I have none of them, AAAND he does tend to proc my reactions... So I'm building an EM Thoma with the Kitain Cross Spear and almost Full EM (I'm switching between EM Sands/Circlet and Pyro Sands/Crit Circlet just to test things), 2pc Wanderer + 2pc Emblem, tho I'm also looking for Noblesse and Emblem artifacts, again, for the sake of science.
I still appreciate your guide, and hey if nothing works, I have a bunch of HP Sands
Calamity Queller with Crimson Witch and he is great to fill a spot in teams like cryo kaeya+chungyun with his great timed pyro melts, enough shield for simple interruption resist and actually decent dmg with melts(about 40k+ skill melt crit, almost 10k Burst procs)
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C6 Thoma, and this is the team I use him on. Imo this is one of Xiao's best teams. Pyro resonance plus 15% plunge attack damage makes up for Zhong Li's 20% anemo res shred in the Thoma vs ZL comparison
Thoma is a very nice unit when paired with kequing while he uses his burst and she infuses her sword with electro....even though she attacks very fast ....the overload reaction does set a pretty good damage in my team...haven't removed him from the time I got him...he's a very nice defensive unit...just trying to get him at c4 now to spam those bursts
i absolutely love thoma and built him some time ago without expecting too much considering what i’d heard about him, but he really surprised me with how useful he ended up being ! loved the build guide, he is indeed a great unit that’s way underrated
I remember pre-farming for Thoma and when got him at C0 I was pretty sad with the results lol. Figured it was the lack of cons so I'm slowly building him while trying more cons (C3 currently). Thanks for the tips, but I can't help but feel you're insulting him by bluntly saying his normal atk is "USELESS" lol you could be nice and just say it's useless for this build, not just useless overall.. same for EM and crit. I'm trying to make my Thoma an hybrid so ofc it's extra work, but I'm sure it'll be worth it bc I love him too much! ^^
I have c6 90/90 triple crowned Thoma and I agree he is underrated. My favourite build for him is The Catch with 4 piece Emblem. I tend to run him with a healer like Bennett, Jean, or Gorou, so I leave his HP at 20k which gives me good enough shield and interrupt resist, ER at about 220%. I easily keep 100% uptime on burst and his burst does decent damage too, about 8-9k per wave without buffs. I really like him on Itto team because he creates a lot of crystallize which further buffs the shields and also benefits from Thoma’s passive! Also buffs Itto’s CAs which is his main damage source.
I've seen a few of your vids. This one got the sub.
Are you familiar with Soluna's or Kekvin's 'Polearms Only' series? You should show them this video. They'll both want Zhongli, Raiden and Hu Tao at some point (Shenhe and Cyno too, I guess). Having a solid alternative shielder / Pyro resonance enabler for Hu Tao would be a a decent choice for an abyss team (since Z-man invincibility will be needed for Xiao).
Got Thoma C0 during his first banner, built him and had fun with him in the overworld but he really fell short in my abyss runs. Now, I got C4 and also previously acquired Yelan. He replaced Zhongli for my HuTao double hydro team and he works WONDERS. Thoma + XQ combo makes HuTao practically immortal. I think that while it's a 4* set, Instructor is also a viable option on him ONLY IF YOU HAVE THEM. This will make his build a lot more restrictive but that added EM makes HuTao hit even harder!
THANK YOU FOR THIS! I keep pulling for heizo and getting thoma so now i have a c3 thoma. And now I can give him more use!
I love Thoma and my recommendation on artifacts is Millelith set for even more shield strength :D because stacking absorption on absorption break games :D he is also grate with Lisa and Xingqiu)
I remember when Hutao's rerun came by and i went for c1 i ended up getting c6 Thoma too and i gotta say being able to consistently swirl pyro with Kazuha before doing dps as Hutao was invaluable to me pre adding Zhongli and Yelan onto my team.
I don't get why everyone says you need so much ER on Thoma, maybe it's my comp but with Hu Tao/Yelan/Kazuha/Thoma, Thoma having 147% ER and a Staff of Homa (yes Hu Tao has one too), I.. never have energy issues, I guess it's from the pyro swirl + pyro infuse and Hu Tao attacks, right?
So yeah, funny thing. When irodori festival came, I challenged myself to only use Inazuma characters (I only had Kokomi, Sara, Thoma and Gorou). I remember having no idea how Thoma works, but being mesmerized at the Pyro application that let me vaporize Kokomi's attacks (since she was basically my dps at the Irodori festival). Now, I don't have him very leveled up, but seeing this video makes me want to build him again-
The Instructor set is also really good for thoma for reaction teams.
Edit: I also unironically tried to pull Engulfing Lightning just for Thoma.
Thanks for this.
I may actually try to build her for burgeon now.
Considering current abyss i wanted to build a Pyro support than help my carry survive and my options were xinyan and Thoma since current abyss wants us to use Pyro but i am all electro and cryo main. Thanks for the info gonna bulid him.
I love Thoma (I C6'd him on his first banner and double crowned him) and I do think he's underrated but I still think he's somewhat of a slightly below average performing unit. Like his shield can be very strong and reliable but until you get to C6 he doesn't really offer that much else and even his C6 is kinda underwhelming in practice. The biggest issue that I have with him is that he doesn't really have an artifact set that works really well with him (his burst isn't the most reliable for Noblesse). Like if he actually worked with the tenacity 4p he would be a great support unit and so much easier to build (just a small change to the 4p description not limiting its buffing to skills only would fix everything and not make things unbalanced for other characters). Still though, his shield can be strong and reliable if you can manage to get it to work but he doesn't really have a whole lot else going for him even with his C6.
Pyro main DPS Thoma (with C6 Bennett) though is pretty nice ngl since his ascension stat is ATK. Give him a crit 4p Glad or 4p Bolide and toss him in a vape comp (Bennett, Xingqiu, Sucrose/Kazuha) or a geo/pyro comp (Bennett, Yunjin, Traveler/Gorou/Zhongli) or a mono pyro (Bennett, Xiangling, *flex). Plus C6 Noblesse Thoma on fav is a great support option in co-op because he's giving a 20% ATK buff 70% of the time, permanent +15% normal/charged/plunge buff, and reliably helps battery himself and the rest of the team.
My thoma is c4 and I often put him with yoimiya. He has 180% er and 23k hp, he runs with fav lance and a crit rate circlet. His shield is so damn strong even without an hp circlet and my lvl 80 yoimiya almost always comes out unscathed, and 180%er is a very comfortable number for him in this team in my case. I often run him with raiden and bennett as well in single target fights and theyre one of my favorite teams. His place in meta is very niche and limited, but he does make your life a whole lot comfortable since you dont get interrupted
As someone who started in 2.6 and thus don’t have Zhongli, I really appreciate this video! Not having Zhongli (nor Diona) really sucks and it’s put a huge damper on building certain teams.
With c4 I only need 170 er for him.
20% er from 2pc emblem and
51% er from er sand.
U can use hp% weapon or em weapon in overload teams.
U don't need over 210% er if u have c4 and Thoma is in team that generate energy particles.
But in like itto team like mentioned in the video u might need over 200% er
i actually played in abyss with him and ayato and it was surprisingly enjoyable especially if you add there kuki shinobu and some other pyro support like bennet or xianling. strong and easy ayato dps with nice shield + pyro applications on attacks
Thank you for the video! I have a question though.
I don't know if you did mention it in the video and I'm just dumb but how muvh Energy recharge would you recommend putting on him?
I use R5 Kitain Spear for him, and it really works well for him. I cant give him any other polearm since FavLance is not available (r5 FL is on Yunjin, r4 is in Zhongli) and The catch is used by Raiden
Hiii what's your Thoma build?
@@Lucas-cv9up i have two sets for him, depending on what time i slot him in
1. 2pc Tenacity x 2pc Emblem
2. 4pc Noblesse
Triple HP%, His ER is Meh, but with R5 Kitain, it doesn't feel bad to not have ER sands -- at least for me
@@soranai8543 alright thanks!