The Pitt 6: The Choice - Fallout 3 Lore
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"O-Dog, who appears to be suffering from a seizure." hah!
"Oh no, muh immersion!"
I had to rewind it a few times... it gave me a laughing fit
I'd like to think O-dog is somehow related to Three-dog, an old rival maybe?
Tech Druid and Bethesda programming
What video was that from? XD
"choosing this option, brings us to one of the most difficultiest fights in the dlc"
*continusly one-shots everyone*
Ox has DLC weapons and armor. Without those it is a very tough fight.
Oof
Well its alot of work to kill people
Yaboi Gavin not if your like me and killed everyone you can actually kill before you came because you were fucking bored
Continuously*
Can't believe that Bethesda made a Raider that wasn't just murder and mayhem.
The Kool Kids Klub gage?
Ninjageddon Gaming
The rest of them except Gage, and perhaps one other guy.
Ninjageddon Gaming the krispy kream klub
Porter Gage
I know right? Its almost as if they made an ACTUAL DECENT CHARACTER THAT CAN MAKE YOU QUESTION YOUR MORALITY
Normally, I would side with the slaves, but there is one problem. Wernher. He is obviously going for a power play here. He claims to want to help the slaves, but the way he treats them after the revolt, "whipping them into shape"... that's not how someone treats people he cares for. I wouldn't be overly surprised if I learned his betrayal of Ashur was to seize power. Meanwhile, Ashur seems to actually care for the city and those inside it. It's hard to say what he'll do if the cure actually comes about, but I think it's much more likely he'll give it out fairly than Wernher.
Both cases end with the people of the Pitt still there, working in the mills or the Steelyard, and while they may not be getting beaten, they're still being subjected to the horrible, unique brand of radiation the Pitt has to offer. Like Far Harbor, The Pitt really doesn't have any morally satisfying ending.
yep I got to side with Ashur morally they are both wrong but that thing with Werner is why I know I made the right choice.
I'm glad you decide to be a slaver, now live with that. Wernher isn't trafficking more slaves into The Pitt, frees the slaves and work on a cure is underway. Maybe Sandra would have been better at finding a cure, she made her choice to attack me instead of working with the slave rebellion. Asher lies to you, never had reason beyond his own dream of glory to enslave others so he could have his steel mill that even the brotherhood understood was in such irradiated and polluted hole that it waste better to just save the children they could and walk away from it. His ways do not show a man who is looking for redemption.
Welcome to the world of fallout where you only have to choice between different flavours of shit
Vonrek Do you really think a man with an IQ of a lowly raider with an obvious power play would be able to develop a cure when he is "cutting corners" in the research on a newborn? Most likely he'll end up killing the poor thing. Also, you seem to be using current world logic and morals in a world where those morals just dont work anymore. The Steel mill is a piece of technology that is not even remotely easy to recreate. So it IS important for the reconstruction of the city. And as the fact that the slaves stay after their victory, that means that unless that idiot is successful in making the cure, which is highly improbable, this is the last generation of free people that will live in the Pitt and that technology will be lost along with the cure.
Why would you ever side with lazy ingrates
Honestly, and I feel bad saying this, I would side wish Asher. His wife is a legitimate scientist and she is clearly working hard to help the people of the Pitt. I ordinarily don't support the "needs of the many" mantra, but in this case I feel that the long term benefits would be worth it.
It's understandable the story is very morally grey and not some black and white.
I kinda agree as well.
I'm in agreement. Most days I wipe out slavers in all fallout games.
This, this is different. This is a city that yes. Is actually on the rise. Ashur and his wife are legitimately working to fix it. And before they were there it was as they say, a lot worse. Order, when it comes to a place can take dark roads. Roads I'd not want to walk. But if this group of raiders are doing more than raiding, they're building a city up from the ashes, they've gone past that term.
I agree as well. for some of the same reasons as you, plus i would rather have the baby with her mother, who'll actually care about her.
I also hated that slave bitch, and felt deceived by them. despite being a bad guy at least ashur is honest.
I can never not take Ashur's side, he's got his shit together, and plus i can't steal a baby, cuz it's a baby, it's the least stealable thing there is,
Why cant i repair baby?
Gortys
Can't repair Baby without another Baby for parts.
FUmarc and carry the baby by shove her into your pocket and she is ok
Take a hammer and fix the baby!
Vulpix298 grab a ductape, a hammer some screws and adhesive. Wrap it up and done, it should be healthy without any need for food and water for the next 200 years while remain that young
I wonder if you can use the baby as ammo for the Rock-it-Launcher...
It’ll be fun they said go to the steel yard they said
The 12 year olds Perspective Come out to the Steel Yard, we'll get together, have a few laughs....
Me when I started playing it and realized I became a slave
Lawful evil vs chaotic neutral
Robert Ciamei Oh, that's why I kinda side with the slaves. I am chaotic neutral or chaotic good.
Lawful evil every time.
Chaotic neutral is awesome! Chaos! Chaos! Chaos!
As bad as it sounds. I cant help but to side with Asher.
Brandon I don’t really blame you
*PERFECT SPOT FOR A TROG NEST*
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Boooooo.
It's "den" not "nest"
Your meme is bad, and you should feel bad.
yea but nest sounds better i know its a den
Actually in one of Ox's other videos he says "This is the perfect spot for a mirelurk............ nest."
Aaron's Crazy channel NO
Aaron's Crazy channel indeed
Dammit O-Dog. Stop taking that Jet laced with Psycho.
Jet laced with Psycho is a bad Idea, it would have you pacing all the way to freeside in New Vegas
Ox: "Teddy bear delivery for Marie!"
Adorable xD .
Where’s CURIE when you need her. I’m sure her Old World knowledge and specialty in diseases and sickness would be a great boon to Ashur and Sandra.
Or Lone wanderer with high science and medicine could help with cure. It would make his dad proud too seeing his son make a cure for radiation without harming the baby
There are no real moral choices here, that's what makes the Pitt an interesting DLC and why people still talk about it years after it's been released. In the end it's really about which injustices you find easier to accept. I wish more of Fallout was like that, instead of most often there being clear good and evil choices. Do you leave the raiders in charge? Despiter Ashur's airs that the slaves are workers it's a lie. They are slaves, they're kidnapped, bought and sold and abused until they die working, or when a raider boss get bored. Ashur's also wrong that the Pitt couldn't survive without the slaves. They couldn't keep making all the stuff they are, but they could scavenge and raid like other people. If they were smart they'd leave the area until the cure was available then return. It's not like anyone else could take over. And with fewer people there would be fewer troggs.
On the other hand Werner replaces Ashur in all but name. And Midea is hardly a scientist. The idea that she could come up with a cure faster than Sandra could is absurd. So getting rid of Ashur and the raiders doesn't really change much. They don't have raider bosses beating them, but they also aren't out raiding for food either. Logic would say that after killing the raiders you'd get everyone to scavenge all they could carry and head back to the Capital Wasteland. They'd be away from the toxic sludge and could try to recover, set up a new home. Send Marie off to Rivet City where real scientists (or what passes for it in the post apocalypse) can study her. But we aren't given that as an option.
At the end of the day i had fun tormenting the people that made me do all that stuff not to mention they robbed the shit out of me. The dialogue on the dr was hilarious.
Their is a good choice and a evil choice but it’s not from the point of view of the pit. The pit is the only way for mankind to rebuild so it is wrong risk it’s safety over the slaves freedom evil as it is we know life is worse out of the pit and their suffering would help more people who have to deal with worse odds in death claws and super mutants who are not found in the pit and are harder to deal with. It’s not nice to think about but in fallout you don’t get to have the nice ending because life isn’t nice anymore because options are limited and opportunities are on a timer before the window closes and the chance is lost
The fact that the baby lives either way eliminates the moral dilemma for me. Siding with the slaves should have resulted in an immediate cure for the slaves at the cost of the baby being killed. It's not really an interesting decision as it is in game, you should obviously side with Ashur because, like said in the original comment, there's no change to The Pitt afterward aside from the slaves don't get beat anymore and now have little to no protection.
Essentially, nothing changes, in the Pitt. You side with Asher, the slaves remain slaves--to be worked to death in the mills. You side with Werner, the slaves may become free to become raiders, themselves--free to get more slaves to work to death in the mills.
It's a complete revolution: right back where it started.
I don't see how ppl see it as morally grey. I think it's really simple.
why do i get the nasty feeling that Mr W was planning on either eating her or draining her of all of her blood JUST to get revenge on Asher?....
Trogs attacked you in the Steelyard without fear of the Sun because the Sun doesn't shine in The Pitt. The orange cloud that's removed because of your ENB keeps the city in a perpetual twilight/sunset.
i noticed that
Damnit Ox, you need a warning for moments like 14:30, I spit my water out at poor O-Dog. Seems the revolt really got to him
God dammit O-Dog 14:32
God dammit moon moon
The Pitt feels like an Obsidian made DLC
swear every single one of the NV dlcs were the best
I think Chris Avalon helped made this DLC
Based on what we now know of the Children of Atom from both F4 & Far Harbor, isn't Marie just an adaptation like "Atom's Chosen?" What a twist that would make, Children of Atom hear of a child immune to the worst the waste to offer and see her as a Messiah. Someone make that MOD! lol
I know this is an ancient comment , but going through the pitt again gave me the idea to make a mod where the player is Marie and she finds out the atrocities her father committed and has to either become a bigger monster than him and take over the operation or take her father out and free the pitt
Sounds like a realllyyyy fun lil concept
O Dog who appears to be having a seizure
I died man
I love how Everett always survives no matter what, even if you side with the slaves, they dont try to kill him and he still ask you to gather steel Ingots and gives you good stuff for it, for a Raider, He is a pretty Alright guy
The Pitt is my city
hawkmagpie SB have fun fucking some trogs. 😂
I hope it's not as polluted as it is here.
Not again lol Nick Cromptom memes are everywhere!
my name is wherner and my collar stay poppin!
Dab on the trogs!!
Problem is, werhner is a slaver at heart and the reason he went against ashur wasn't so he could free the slaves, ut was so he had power over them. If you side with ashur and confront werhner and let him go he says fuck the slaves which led me to believe he never cared. So yeah I chose ashur, they have the biggest chance of finding a cure and come on, it's a kid and it's parents. Similar to FO4, kill the parents tske the child
Same, i heard werhner cursing out the slaves and thought that he just wanted to take ashurs place
Werner being a shit doesnt excuse Asher also being human garbage imo. Gonna replay this dlc when I get to it but I cant remember, can you kill them both? That's the only morally correct option tbh
@@shinigamisway1645 agreed the ashur is trash but he seems to have genuine reasons for him being the way he is
@@Willzb-xk4ew I totally agree with him having his reasons , and I also think he genuinely believes he's doing what's right. But he's clearly delusional and a danger to the people.
Plus. Dude owns slaves. I dont care what your excuse is. Murder time. The ends absolutely DO NOT justify the means.
Burn the Pit. Bring the Scourge Part 2. That is the only "moral " answer
@@shinigamisway1645 thing is in terms of morals, it seems like werner is the right choice but not one of the slaves knows how to even start with finding the cure whilst ashers wife knows what shes doing
Something that stood out to me was when Ashur talks about how the Brotherhood of Steel just takes the technology they want and they don't stick around to help people, when in this game at least, under Elder Lyon's leadership, that's exactly what they're doing in the Capital Wasteland. I don't remember just how long the BOS have been in the Capital at the start of FO3, but it's interesting to think about the parallel.
Lyons said they arrived about 20 years ago, and that's around the time Ashur was left in the Pitt. So when Lyons decided to "Go Native" and start helping people, it was after Ashur had started his Pitt operation.
Maybe Ashur was in Bos where instead of lyons it was more under someone of outcasts or Maxson
@@weplo1597ashur was with Lyons, but before they arrived to the capital wasteland. He got separated before they started helping people.
Lyons and his daughter are the exception, Maxim is a total ass lol
I would really like to see how The Pitt has progressed in the 10 years from Fallout 3 to Fallout 4.
Have they finished the cure? Has the Midwest Brotherhood discovered the city? Have the Trogs been cleared out?
They created such a fascinating setting with this DLC and it's disappointing how little we've heard about it in the lore since.
I really hope we get another DLC, or some group makes a DLC-sized mod that takes us back there.
I feel like the trogs basically being ghoul superhuman hybrids is way more important than a bunch of scrappers. If the fallout 4 brotherhood wasn't dumb and prioritized orbital strikes over a giant robot, they probably would have just used the rest of the missiles on glassing Uptown.
Honestly, my decision was based entirely on animosity for Wernher. When I found out I had to kidnap a baby, I felt like I'd been swindled by a dirty con man. I couldn't let him get away with it.
Get away with what?
@@Perroden Lying by omission to rope the player into doing his dirty work. He knew pitching "kidnap the baby" wouldn't sell his plan as well, so he was deliberately vague, calling her "the cure" to make you think it was just gonna be something like a vial of sci-fi bullshit juice that will magically heal everyone. The truth is he's just as guilty of everything going on here as Ashur, and he has absolutely no remorse for any of it. He's a shameless opportunist and you know he'll be getting sketchy as soon as he sees a chance.
@@Perroden Oh wlel, you know, stealing a baby is wrong. But Ashur stealing people from their homes and families is fine.
Honestly don't get the logic some people have. Like if this is your evil choice sure, but otherwise, wtf do you mean it's moral or you couldn't let him get away with... kidnapping a child of a man who kidnaps other people's families?
@prettyevil6662000 really it baffles me ppl are treating asher like he's on some holly mission and it's moral to support him.
I think the best outcome is actually to kidnap the baby, kill the raiders and then turn on Wherner and return Marie to her parents.
Fewer slaves die as a result, most the raiders who are the ones truly responsible for the poor treatment of the slaves are dead and by the time Ashur fully rebuilds his ranks the cure would likely be closer to completion at which point the slaves would be presumably freed if Ashur is true to his word.
Dokainin the slaves will die/mutate anyway and can be easy replaced but by killing the slavers wouldn't there be chaos until they can be replaced
Ya don't get the perk that way, which sucks.
This is my favorite dlc specifically because the choices at the end are both so hard and nasty. Very dark, and appropriate for Fallout.
I think it's really simple, kill the dude funding slavery and raids.
I really don't see why stealing one baby is such a big deal in a game where you can also ally with vampires.
For those who are wondering, "I wonder if someone made a mod for eating the baby":
Yes. It happened. It was up on Nexus around when the DLC was released and deleted for obvious reasons.
Wasn’t just a mod, it WAS in the base game. Idk why people can’t grasp that or believe it. I bought the dlc when it first came out, I had no knowledge of what a mod even was and I found that cannibal option. So many incorrect people
Another Nelson Mandele effect case. A collective misremembering.. or a switch of time lines.
“I’m activating the baby” 😂🤣
How Ashur never made contact with the Legion, I'll never know, because he has the mentality that would make Caesar/Sallow happy.
Too far away to reach them, I'd guess. The Legion came out of Arizona originally, and they got formed around 30 years before New Vegas (which is a few years after FO3) meaning Ashur and Caesar probably began their groups around the same time.
O-Dog needs to lay off the jet.
Too bad they couldn't have just gotten a bunch of protectrons to replace the slaves or something that way everyone can go free and they still have a Workforce.
Kaelan Ross As if the raiders know how to maintain a robot workforce
Assuming there were any left, the Brotherhood probably collected or salvaged the remaining Protectrons during the Scourge.
@@greenEntertainer. There are some Protectrons, you can activate them in the first Quest when you have to collect the Steel Ingots. But obviously there aren't enough to do the work needed.
6 years ago, I sided with the slaves. Now that I have a kid myself, I side with Ashur. Midea doesn't even know how to handle that kid. She'll end up dead in their care!
28:00 Ashur like, wait wait too early.
I've sided with both the raiders and the slaves in different playthroughs, in all honesty I still can't decide which is the best option all these years later.
I think the only way to be sure which is the "correct" choice is if we get to learn the lore of the Pitt after the Lone Wanderer left.
I love this format, i hope this will be the norm for the rest of the 3/NV DLCs,
Also don't forget to bring up the dialog implying the Pitt is having trouble keeping order without Ashur, in tomorrow's video
I'm a little surprised that you cannot give the baby to the brotherhood of steel. They probably know what to do with such a person.
When talking to Ashur about the brotherhood, i think there should be an option to tell him of how to brotherhood has changed
14:32 Best laugh I had in weeks XD Poor O-Dog
I've never been so early that there aren't any dislikes.
sonnydog830 There's one now
I see five
sonnydog830 there are now 13 and they will be hunted down.
sonnydog830 this channel deserve no dislike
Bartacus you do know dislikes still help his content, if you do nothing that's what actually hurts his channel
ODog is like,"YEAH, WE BEAT THEIR ASSES"
VICTORY GLITCH, WOOOOOOO!
Love how he just keep's saying " *that little brat* "
Wow, I never sided with Ashur before, so I never heard his reasoning and character background before. Still an evil SOB, but his reasons at least make sense. He’s a much better written villain than I figured he would be.
*PERFECT SPOT FOR A TROG DEN*
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This again.
yes this again make it a popular meme
Aaron's Crazy channel *SURE*
Memes destroy everything
Wernher’s and Asher’s points are the same. That u have to make sacrifices for the greater good
Just found your Videos a few weeks ago and gotta say: I really like them. The way you tell the stories and give your opinion on moral dilemmas is entertaining and thought-provoking at the same time.
I love that you do a Pitt-themed week. It was my favorite dlc back when I played Fallout 3.
Keep up the good work and greetings from Germany ;)
I died at O-Dog doing...whatever he was doing. Kinda wanna see that now when I go through the Pitt
Sorry I stole your firstborn. My mistake!
Love this dlc. The choices are honestly pretty hard hitting.
...as for the moral implications of this decision, we will hash it out in the comments section today! ...with arguments and name-calling, and Ox, you're welcome to join us bright and early tomorrow morning.
14:30 I was sad about the slaves until i noticed o-dog is having some problems too...
Because of these little Pitt vidios, you've started becoming my favorite TH-camr, keep it up
this DLC at the End of my first run i sided with the slaves and thought WTF this is just like Vault 101 all over again a dad dies for the sake of his child and THATS good karma? seeing how a childs life ment nothing to the slaves to Wernher i couldnt do it i took the Karma hit and let the baby stay with Ashur
I don’t know why but Oxhorn saying the phrase “Eat the baby” is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time
11:24 Kind of sounds like the things Caesar said about BoS later on
Making Ashur and all the other top slavers in Fallout 3 African American men was a historical reference to the black slave owners of the civil war era. Most notably William Ellison who had one of the largest plantations and the most slaves in the south. He also donated to and supported the Confederacy, so I think it's no coincidence that the symbol on Ashur's armor resembles a Confederate flag.
In my opinion Ashur rising up from the rubble of the Pitt to take control of it and become its slave master is a metaphor for how Ellison was born a slave, earned his freedom and then rose to enough prominence, power and wealth to purchase his own slaves. Ellison's slaves would often earn their own freedom from him and this reminds me of how some of Ashur's raiders like Reddup earned their "freedom" by fighting for it in the Pitt.
I see no historical reference...
All I see is that Ashur had the wrong idea right from the start.
His vision of The Pitt rising as a great city was flawed simply because The Pitt was pure blight.
That's why the Brotherhood of Steel purged it. The land was hopeless... they killed off much of the Trogs simply because they knew that they would eventually spread and spill over to other places and states.
He calls the Brotherhood as lazy just because he thinks The Pitt was just your Hollywood-formula oppressed land that needs help instead of purging.
The Brotherhood scouted that place... and concluded that it posed more a threat than a potential factory/habitat/home/farm... the radiation there is the main problem. it's far worse than in The Capital Wasteland.
Ashur developed this messianic complex right after some scavengers "rescued" him from the rubble, and claims "he saw potential" in the city.
That was just stupid. Whatever benefit he sees in The Pitt, it becomes irrelevant simply because that place is not a habitable place for human, EVEN BY POST-APOCALYPTIC STANDARDS.
Interesting but I don't think so. The earn your freedom idea is as old as ancient Rome. There are numerous Romans who rose to prominence in society after earning their freedom.
It sucks that you lose karma for killing the slaves even though they attack you first
Mr. Fox
It's hard to think why?
MiguelPpM What?
Mr. Fox Slave rebellions are considered "good" in the minds of the public, so stopping a slave rebellion paints a person as evil.
TheTimoprimo
True but considering how morally gray this quest is I don't think it should raise or lower karma, imo.
Mr. Fox You may be right, but at the end of the day, Bethesda made that decision about karma.
That was amazing, wonderful story, people, and choices. love how it felt like a TV show with the cliff hangers not being able to wait untill the next day to see the next episode. Great job!
Haha O-Dog was head banging like a pro! That glitch was halerious. Nice that you kept that.
This is what I so love about your vids. You are so good at resolving these moral conflicts
Where's the baby!
[closes eyes]
Wher- WHERE THE HELL IS MY CHILD? ASHUR! MARIE IS GONE!
I feel like there should’ve been a third choice, like collect blood vial samples from the baby
Ox about the flood lights, the Trogs might either be bothered by them or just joined them so they are scared of them, because either they are so bright or the raiders place so many together that it makes it much brighter. Edit: The Trogs might be scarred of the flood lights again because they are so bright and they are either they are not used to such bright lights because of the mill buildings and the smoke that covers the sky.
"Kai, who served us slop."
LMFAO
The part where you turn off the lights and let the Trogs in reminds of that part in Dead Space 2 were you let the Necromorphs into the Earthgov compound by turning off the power and letting all soldiers ar the entrance die helplessly.
This has become my favourite channel I even have notifications turned on for it and I never turn the notifications on for any channel normally.
Outstanding, keep these going please! Easily my favourite, most comprehensive fallout lore commentator!
I love oxhorn he tells such a great story when doing play throughs
On every playthrough, I always side with Asher. It's not about ideology. It's just I'm not a going to kill the parents of a newborn and deliver that baby to someone who wouldn't know what they were doing. Even though they run tests on her, the baby's parents do love her. And that research is the best way to the possibility of a Trog cure. Yes, it's terrible that the people of The Pitt are slaves. But, the alternative is worse.
agreed
Why wood you side with a guy who lies to you to make you do his dirty work anyway
Trid plus hard choices.
I don't think the dlc has enough choices.
2nd that
i've picked up the baby, better put in my inventory with all my guns, blades, ammo and scraps of sharp metal... she'll be safe there
Ashur seems like he wants to eventually not need slaves, then again I’m not sure most raiders would be compliant in that.
I was bored with nothing to do then Oxhorn uploads! Yay! :)
Everyone and their mamma knew to side with Asher. Fuck that little resistance, what would have they done, nothing. No chance against radiation or frogs. Asher was fucking cool too.
Damn, the quality of the editting, commenting, the intro presents the series perfectly, it felt like playing fallout, gj dude
They could.. you know. Live somewhere else. But no, they just had to enslave people, which is a guaranteed death sentence in every single one of my playthroughs.
OX! Please make an O-Dog seizure shirt!
Game of the Industry if you could have actually eaten the baby.
Next video please: "Is it moral to eat Ashur's baby? "
Love you, Oxhorn!
If I was a slave from Ronto or Erie or the Commonwealth I'd have no idea how to get home.
Well he did mention blue light in his note, so maybe those spotlights are more towards the "cold" end than the "warm" end and that's what scares them off.
This was the only time I chose the "evil" option in this game. I just can't reason with taking Marie from her mother.
Can you steal the baby? Take the baby and just leave the Pitt?
I mean, I had a play through with a character that TOTALLY would have stole the baby. Never even thought of it :D
The lone wanderer. stomping around in t-51b power armor and blowing people's heads off with a baby stuck in his back pocket. what a legend
14:33 Ah yes, the PTSD at its finest.
14:32 so that's what happens when you're stuck between 2 dimensions lol
Anyone else side with the slaves because you wanted Asher’s power armor?
Suffering from a seizure? Dude you're hilarious
normally in fallout slaves and supressed people are universally good, and here both factions are a bit more chaotic neutral, filling the choice with grey areas rather than a black and white set in stone image as games normally give. I'd love to see more of this in future games
Oxhorn, I never played Fallout 3, but thank you for this video, and all of the ones you do. You rock bud. Thank you again.
PS....I may have to play Fallout 3 now, like my son keeps suggesting.
Fuck that I played that several times and I was able to eat the baby they must have changed it
same wtf? Maybe it had to do something with mods?
did you have any mods?
He didn’t crouch
Mister OMoney on my 360 it is still an option . No mods are available so not sure why it did not work for oxhorn maybe it is cause he gave him self the perk and it is a glitch.
Also you can find lots of ps3 and 360 fallout 3 let’s plays that eat the baby
This is why I love the Pitt. Great atmosphere, interesting enemies, and the factions are cool, but the choice between the raiders and slaves is one of the best morality choices in any of the 3D Fallout games. It reinforces the idea of "damned if you do, damned if you don't."
The raider ending sees you condoning slavery, but you have a cure for one of the most lethal afflictions in the post-War world.
The slave ending sees you liberating innocent people from bondage and terror, but you destroy a family and kidnap a baby for harmful testing that probably won't even produce a usable cure without Sandra's help.
It's really what I hoped the Nuka-World DLC would be for Fallout 4.
A mod letting you eat a baby of all things is amazing. What a great fan base!
I would definitely side with Ashur. He has a plan, the means, and real scientists. That is the best chance to help the people. Without that there is no hope for the city, and the people might as well lay down and die.
So the countless victims of Ashur's Raiders mean nothing? For every slave in The Pitt how many people do you think died either to acquire said slave or to get the food and other supplies to keep them fed.
If the choice is kill everyone in The Pitt OR allow Ashur's reign of terror to continue. The world is better off with the Pitt dead.
to get a cure for radiation that can be distributed throughout the city, and eventually the world? Yes the suffering of raider victims mean nothing. Fallout is an apocalypse situation, survival of the species becomes the highest priority over individual rights or suffering.
or you know, not murder and torture people?
It couldnt have been a mod, I had a the console version(Xbox 360) of fallout 3 and I did eat the kid once. Maybe they updated it so that it wasn't possible to eat the baby later on.
That's possible, I don't remember for F3 because I didn't play it as much as NV, but in NV I remember some day-one content was changed later on.
Also it's possible he didn't get a prompt because he didn't crouch but not sure.
harold Deoliveira it's an option in the 360 version of GOTY. Mine is unpatched.
Pardo yeah mine was a GOTY one. guess that's why I was able to do it.
"O-Dog who appears to be suffering from a seizure" *O-Dog breaking physics"
14:33 That O-Dog! *crying in laughter*
shiiiiit I was actually waiting for your pov on the moral stands! Welp, gotta wait for one more day, I guess.
Btw, I chose to side with Ashur. Not only that it *seems* like they have a better place to do the research, but also that the baby is still with her parents. Sure, Ashur is someone who loves to play god and we can see that clearly, but at least he is honest about doing a research for a cure and he doesn't lie that he knows it has one big price to pay. It's one hell of a hard choice (it's a little bit easier once I realized that Wernher is actually a fucking asshole, but it's still quite hard, considering the price it must pay).
I can't wait to see tomorrow's video.
while a morally reprehensible choice, i believe that allowing the Pitt to prosper under Ashur is the overall best effect to the wasteland.
Oxhorn- "you can not eat the baby"
Me- "LIAR!"
That O'dog and his dance moves :D