First you roll a die, call that number x. Next you roll again, call it y. Opposite faces on a die add to 7. These two ads to x+7. Your last roll is another number, z. The final total is x+7+z. You deal these cards down so they get reversed, meaning the eighth card is now eighth from the back. Finally you uncover the dice , x+z and take those cards off the top which leaves the first seven. Since you flipped the last card, it is the one that was before the last seven which was the eighth card.
The full idea is that all opposite sides of the will add to seven, 6 is directly behind the 1, 5 behind the 2, 4 behind the 3. This cancels out the first seven cards as well as the first roll, that is why you memorize the 8th card. The two rolls that are left are the important numbers, because the dice that isn't manipulated added to the dice that was rerolled will backtrack you to the eighth number because the other dice plus its opposite side are the 7 you discard before you count backwards.
The top and bottom of a die always add to seven, so 5,2 and 4,3 etc. so when he asks the spectator to turn it over he is simply causing them to always have 7+the other die, now roll the dice and we have 2 number, 7+untouched die+ another #, soo when we take the total, and subtract the untouched with the random, we always end on 7, but in reverse order itll be the 8th
* Note. 1 di will remain still. Through all the movement it. was not clear. The good news is that this will confuse the audience. The bad news is without knowing that 1 di stays still after the initial roll, your result won't pan out. The action di 1) gives the 3rd number from the number of dots touching surface and then gives 4th number by rolling again. The action di stopped ar this number along with the motionless di always gives the numbers to get cards back to the 8th card. The other 2 numbers always secretly equal 7 and are already accounted for. if confusing, the biggest thing is get your 3rd and 4th number to add to total only from 1 di designated as the mover.
I couldn't wait to learn this when you released the performance... so I watched it few times thinked about that its selfworking so I just watched wheres the 10 of spades in performance vid and tryid it out... really nice
Love these self working tricks. Very nice. Short explanation> So first you need to know that dice are regular. The numbers on opposite sides always ad up to 7. 1+6 2+5 3+4. You roll and flip. That is 7. That 7 is just fact. But because you start by adding the first throw you don;t see that 7. Now when you re-roll that one dice. The two unknown numbers stay on the table. So it always adds up to what's seen on the table plus that 7. So always 7 plus x. You count out 7+x cards an then subtract x..... you end up at 7. Now the 'confusing bit' here is that because you come from the other side you end up at the eighth card. The trick works because you basically always start with a random number between 2 and 12. The flipped dice is where you "unrandomize" it. But because you start by adding the first throw you don;t see that 7. Really cool effect.
Steps for visual learners. Count 8 cards from bottom and place to top while noting the bottom card as you do. Write prediction on paper or preferred reveal metbod. Roll dice. Add. Add the opposite of either and those 3 numbers give you a total.Take the active di and roll it again while other di remains still. Only 1 di gets action. Like my roommate and I. That gives you a grand total. Count thar number of cards. Finally count the number of the dice that sit on table and turn over. it matches the Prediction.
how the heck you dont know? its because if you add a random number of the dice plus the one in its opposite side you'll get 7.. so basically you draw always 7 + x + y cards witch means the x + y card you draw of the ones you already picked its the 8th card of the original position
i think it would be a good idea if you give them the card prediction paper to hold on to, to make it more dramatic at the end :D & this is an awesome trick!
This effect, entitled, 'Cards and Dice Prediction' was taken from the book 'The Card Magic of Nick Trost' by Nick Trost, Chapter 7, pages 125 - 127, Copyright@ 1997 as published by L&L Publishing. I thought it looked familiar.
for anyone who cares about why this works: imagine doing the trick with only two numbers instead of four. in that case you would have taken 5 cards and take the 5th card of those. Meaning you always take the first card in the pack. This wouldn't be very dramatic, so you add 7 extra cards to the beginning and add a 7 to their number by making them flip one dice over (the two numbers you didn't see always come out as 7 because that's how dices work)
it cant roll that way!the opposite of any dice will always be the same(add up to 7)so if you roll 3 5 the sequence will continue as 3 5 4 x or 3 5 2 x after this you roll the dice and get random number so the total sum will be :12+x or 10+x than you hide the dice , you ask for the number and reverse the cards order , after this you subtract the X and also the second number so you will be left with : (12+x) - x - 5 in the first case so 7 ! and (10+x)-x-3 so also 7 and you predict the 8th card
why dose this work? this is a variation of the 9th card force, you pick a number between 10 and 19 and deal that many cards doen, then add the two digits and deal off that many cards and that card theat is next ( i belive ) is the card forced, or the card that is dealt last, you get the idea
Second I wanna say is your setup (I mean by that watching the deck of cards to figure out what is the 8th card is) could be a lot better. Personnaly I really enjoy using a marked deck of cards cause nobody thinks to that. but you could also just watch the last card of the deck and putting it on the 8th position which can be done easily. If you actually know that the addition of 2 opposite sides of a dice is 7 you easily figure that trick out (that's what I did). So hide it by NOT watching cards!
The convoluted method of arriving at the final number in this effect makes the whole thing suspicious (and boring). People generally don't find math entertaining. The rule you mention, "the large covers the small", is about movement and sleights. It's not meant to encourage convoluted and unnatural procedures to mask the method. In fact, master magicians always encourage economy of method and making effects as clear as possible. Dai Vernon's mantra was to always be natural!
+LilPedro006 Two opposite sides of any die add to 7, So essentially this trick is super simple. The initial total is 7 + X + Y. You then take off the die value on the table (X + Y) - the last of these cards is in the 8th position. So you flip that over and it's the correct card.
Why not make the effect much more direct and do away with the overly complicated procedure? All that procedure makes the trick non-magical. Simply remember the 14th card instead. Have them roll the dice and add up the top numbers then, "to make it more challenging", have them flip the dice over and add those numbers too. The total will always be 14.
because they would figure out that it'll always be 14 if they think a little and because you want to hide the trick by making it look complicatde. The master rule of magic is "The bigger one hides the little one"
He said its for beginners, not advanced people. He wants people to use his channel as a reference for magicians, not have "smart asses" commenting on his channel.
The matimatical explanation, knowing two sides of a die always add up to 7: a=x+y b=a+(7-y) c=b+z d=c-(x+z) So: d=x+y+(7-y)+z-(x+z) d=x+y+7-y+z-x-z d=x-x+y-y+z-z+7 d=7
This trick is fail and this is why : If the spec rolled dice in this order ( 3 ) ( 5 ) ( 1 ) ( 2 ) instead of ( 3 ) ( 5 ) ( 2 ) ( 1 ) so we add ( 3 + 2 ) which is equal ( 5 ), then he will need to pull out the 5th card which it will not be the ( 6 of hearts ) the 8th card the in deck order. Someone else observe that or its only me ?
being natural is a way to cover what you are doing which is not natural at all misdirection is the main word in magic Vernon is saying not doing too much because if you do so poeple will obviously see what you want to hide...
+legitsam fifa Not true. You need physical dice so you can flip one over. Two opposite sides of any die add to 7, So essentially this trick is super simple. The initial total is 7 + X + Y. You then take off the die value on the table (X + Y) - the last of these cards is in the 8th position. So you flip that over and it's the correct card.
+Magic beetwen Us IT does. Two opposite sides of any die add to 7, So essentially this trick is super simple. The initial total is 7 + X + Y. You then take off the die value on the table (X + Y) - the last of these cards is in the 8th position. So you flip that over and it's the correct card.
@HeyK then the grand total would be different, it would not matter, because the last number in the dice, subtracted from the grand total, will always be in the position of that card, hence the trick is in the card position. it is Math...
It will never work , guys just see this video again ...! he already know were is 6-hearten and he done incidentally to make the dies no 4 , later he shows this output... think why he is not mash that card after putting dies ..!
First you roll a die, call that number x. Next you roll again, call it y. Opposite faces on a die add to 7. These two ads to x+7. Your last roll is another number, z. The final total is x+7+z. You deal these cards down so they get reversed, meaning the eighth card is now eighth from the back. Finally you uncover the dice , x+z and take those cards off the top which leaves the first seven. Since you flipped the last card, it is the one that was before the last seven which was the eighth card.
why have not you got any like :) good math and observation there.
can You explain that in other words? I cant do this trick
The full idea is that all opposite sides of the will add to seven, 6 is directly behind the 1, 5 behind the 2, 4 behind the 3. This cancels out the first seven cards as well as the first roll, that is why you memorize the 8th card. The two rolls that are left are the important numbers, because the dice that isn't manipulated added to the dice that was rerolled will backtrack you to the eighth number because the other dice plus its opposite side are the 7 you discard before you count backwards.
The top and bottom of a die always add to seven, so 5,2 and 4,3 etc. so when he asks the spectator to turn it over he is simply causing them to always have 7+the other die, now roll the dice and we have 2 number, 7+untouched die+ another #, soo when we take the total, and subtract the untouched with the random, we always end on 7, but in reverse order itll be the 8th
* Note. 1 di will remain still. Through all the movement it. was not clear. The good news is that this will confuse the audience. The bad news is without knowing that 1 di stays still after the initial roll, your result won't pan out. The action di 1) gives the 3rd number from the number of dots touching surface and then gives 4th number by rolling again. The action di stopped ar this number along with the motionless di always gives the numbers to get cards back to the 8th card. The other 2 numbers always secretly equal 7 and are already accounted for. if confusing, the biggest thing is get your 3rd and 4th number to add to total only from 1 di designated as the mover.
I couldn't wait to learn this when you released the performance... so I watched it few times thinked about that its selfworking so I just watched wheres the 10 of spades in performance vid and tryid it out... really nice
Love these self working tricks. Very nice.
Short explanation>
So first you need to know that dice are regular. The numbers on opposite sides always ad up to 7. 1+6 2+5 3+4.
You roll and flip. That is 7. That 7 is just fact. But because you start by adding the first throw you don;t see that 7.
Now when you re-roll that one dice. The two unknown numbers stay on the table. So it always adds up to what's seen on the table plus that 7. So always 7 plus x.
You count out 7+x cards an then subtract x..... you end up at 7. Now the 'confusing bit' here is that because you come from the other side you end up at the eighth card.
The trick works because you basically always start with a random number between 2 and 12. The flipped dice is where you "unrandomize" it. But because you start by adding the first throw you don;t see that 7.
Really cool effect.
Steps for visual learners. Count 8 cards from bottom and place to top while noting the bottom card as you do. Write prediction on paper or preferred reveal metbod. Roll dice. Add. Add the opposite of either and those 3 numbers give you a total.Take the active di and roll it again while other di remains still. Only 1 di gets action. Like my roommate and I. That gives you a grand total. Count thar number of cards. Finally count the number of the dice that sit on table and turn over. it matches the Prediction.
how the heck you dont know? its because if you add a random number of the dice plus the one in its opposite side you'll get 7.. so basically you draw always 7 + x + y cards witch means the x + y card you draw of the ones you already picked its the 8th card of the original position
He's a witch!!
i think it would be a good idea if you give them the card prediction paper to hold on to, to make it more dramatic at the end :D & this is an awesome trick!
This effect, entitled, 'Cards and Dice Prediction' was taken from the book 'The Card Magic of Nick Trost' by Nick Trost, Chapter 7, pages 125 - 127, Copyright@ 1997 as published by L&L Publishing. I thought it looked familiar.
for anyone who cares about why this works: imagine doing the trick with only two numbers instead of four. in that case you would have taken 5 cards and take the 5th card of those. Meaning you always take the first card in the pack. This wouldn't be very dramatic, so you add 7 extra cards to the beginning and add a 7 to their number by making them flip one dice over (the two numbers you didn't see always come out as 7 because that's how dices work)
THIS IS THE BEST CARD TRICK EVER!!!
it cant roll that way!the opposite of any dice will always be the same(add up to 7)so if you roll 3 5 the sequence will continue as 3 5 4 x or 3 5 2 x after this you roll the dice and get random number so the total sum will be :12+x or 10+x than you hide the dice , you ask for the number and reverse the cards order , after this you subtract the X and also the second number so you will be left with : (12+x) - x - 5 in the first case so 7 ! and (10+x)-x-3 so also 7 and you predict the 8th card
Cool! Thanks for the tutorial. Could you PLEASE do a tutorial for the Wonderfour trick that you posted a while ago. It is such a cool trick!
why dose this work? this is a variation of the 9th card force, you pick a number between 10 and 19 and deal that many cards doen, then add the two digits and deal off that many cards and that card theat is next ( i belive ) is the card forced, or the card that is dealt last, you get the idea
when you get them to flip the die and add the number, that sum will always be 7, I thin that's why having the card in the 8th position is key
Instead of having them roll two dice can you ask them to pick two numbers between 1 and 6?
I freaking love this trick. THANKS!
I have a Mathe advanced class
I guess I won't be able to perform it to classmates, too easy to figure out :P
Second I wanna say is your setup (I mean by that watching the deck of cards to figure out what is the 8th card is) could be a lot better.
Personnaly I really enjoy using a marked deck of cards cause nobody thinks to that. but you could also just watch the last card of the deck and putting it on the 8th position which can be done easily.
If you actually know that the addition of 2 opposite sides of a dice is 7 you easily figure that trick out (that's what I did). So hide it by NOT watching cards!
even this way , it still dose`t work if you switch the numbers , , ,
i mean if you switched the x or the 2nd number with any other card ,
The convoluted method of arriving at the final number in this effect makes the whole thing suspicious (and boring). People generally don't find math entertaining.
The rule you mention, "the large covers the small", is about movement and sleights. It's not meant to encourage convoluted and unnatural procedures to mask the method. In fact, master magicians always encourage economy of method and making effects as clear as possible. Dai Vernon's mantra was to always be natural!
can it only be done with two dices pls help me
this is a really cool trick! My only problem is that I'm a slow counter when trying to find the 8th card
I get it web you put down the cards the 6 using the 8th card anymore cause the order changed it becomes the 4th
What cards are these thank you
sometimes it's happening but not all the time
Ok...next trick will be more advanced
But how the 6 of
Simple maths
+LilPedro006 Two opposite sides of any die add to 7, So essentially this trick is super simple. The initial total is 7 + X + Y. You then take off the die value on the table (X + Y) - the last of these cards is in the 8th position. So you flip that over and it's the correct card.
People need to stop hating if you don't like the tricks then go make your own
Why not make the effect much more direct and do away with the overly complicated procedure? All that procedure makes the trick non-magical.
Simply remember the 14th card instead. Have them roll the dice and add up the top numbers then, "to make it more challenging", have them flip the dice over and add those numbers too. The total will always be 14.
great tutorial man ! .. just noting : the screen link isn't up :D
Will it also fool Penn& Teller?
Old Albird no
Very nice trick........................ loved it.
thanks so much!! I really LOVE your videos!!!
never works but I really want to go this trick
because they would figure out that it'll always be 14 if they think a little and because you want to hide the trick by making it look complicatde. The master rule of magic is "The bigger one hides the little one"
Tutorial for the spread at 0:01?
Every one just do the same numbers as his and u will find the trick, u just have to flip the dice to the back side of your number
He said its for beginners, not advanced people. He wants people to use his channel as a reference for magicians, not have "smart asses" commenting on his channel.
The matimatical explanation, knowing two sides of a die always add up to 7:
a=x+y
b=a+(7-y)
c=b+z
d=c-(x+z)
So:
d=x+y+(7-y)+z-(x+z)
d=x+y+7-y+z-x-z
d=x-x+y-y+z-z+7
d=7
Or as Austin Hamilton putted it in words 7 months ago...
Rob van der Kruijs
This trick is fail and this is why :
If the spec rolled dice in this order ( 3 ) ( 5 ) ( 1 ) ( 2 ) instead of ( 3 ) ( 5 ) ( 2 ) ( 1 )
so we add ( 3 + 2 ) which is equal ( 5 ), then he will need to pull out the 5th card which it will not be the ( 6 of hearts ) the 8th card the in deck order.
Someone else observe that or its only me ?
The vid keeps freezing😭
Didn't work don't know why I did all the things what you said please help
being natural is a way to cover what you are doing which is not natural at all misdirection is the main word in magic Vernon is saying not doing too much because if you do so poeple will obviously see what you want to hide...
THAT IS INSANE BRO
No because the trick relies on the dice itself.
Count how many times he repeats word alright
I have seen many nut musician .....you are the one..!!
Amazing trick! I fooled myself when I practiced it! haha
why not work?
They're pretty good
Clever trick.😊👍👍
can we do it without a dice
+legitsam fifa Not true. You need physical dice so you can flip one over. Two opposite sides of any die add to 7, So essentially this trick is super simple. The initial total is 7 + X + Y. You then take off the die value on the table (X + Y) - the last of these cards is in the 8th position. So you flip that over and it's the correct card.
doesn't work, if the 6 of hearts is 8 cards from the top at the start how can it be 4 from the top at the end
+Brendan Meade - You have to deal down. Watch it again. I screwed up the first time. But now it works every time.
+Thaneii Yep. Dealing the cards out on the table reverses the order.
Yh same didnt worked out for me
Great trick love the cards
the intro scared me but nice vid
This works every time
still don't got it
Idk but for some wierd reason it doesn't work
beautiful trick
shalom shalom can you speak Hebrew?
only when im not drunk )
Can't be impossible if u just did it
Simple math. Lovely :)
This wouldn't fool my Nan's cat; and my Nan's cat is especially stupid.
0:00 hee what's going ahgaahn guys?
my card was the 6 of hearts
lol
LOOOOVE THIS TRICK
Theory 11 Rebels
Nice
6 of clubs
it doesnt always work but ok
yeah
+Magic beetwen Us IT does. Two opposite sides of any die add to 7, So essentially this trick is super simple. The initial total is 7 + X + Y. You then take off the die value on the table (X + Y) - the last of these cards is in the 8th position. So you flip that over and it's the correct card.
if done correctly always, ALWAYS!!!!!!!! works, it is math.
Awesome
dont work😑😑😑😑😶😶😶
thanks!!
Nice math
Why is italways the sixth card. I don know!! Lol
It doesn't work
Dylan Stamper so true because what if the die don't equal four
Drew guggenmos Also friends you are so stupid, it always ends on the 8th card
@HeyK then the grand total would be different, it would not matter, because the last number in the dice, subtracted from the grand total, will always be in the position of that card, hence the trick is in the card position. it is Math...
math is magic !
Amazing
of course you are not beginner you are expert ;)
Not bad of a trick
Its simple
It will never work , guys just see this video again ...! he already know were is 6-hearten and he done incidentally to make the dies no 4 , later he shows this output... think why he is not mash that card after putting dies ..!
it's no working
AWESOME!!!
you are a beginner don't lie
amazing
Did not work
Love it!
It doesnt work!
this is awesome fantastic
love it
your bam didn't worked :D
beast
Красавчик !
do whatever you think is cool :D
it was gay
do
Wtf I tried to perform this trick and when I saw the 8th card I realised it's the 6 of hearts too... 😨😱😱😱😱😱
Well that's reaall magic!!
lol