The Model 1887 is statistically the best OHK shotgun. As long as 5 of the pellets hit your enemy, it will kill them. At closer range, only 4 pellets are needed to hit. 8 Pellets are shot every time you fire, each doing 30 damage and dropping off to 20 as you get farther away. The offset is that it does have a higher spread than most shotguns (if not all), but that doesn't affect it much. The other shotguns, you can have all 8 pellets hit and it might not be a OHK.
first shogun i used in this game, and I was disappointed that the range was shortened like in Black Ops, but on Black Ops it was kinda semi auto, which made it easy to spray. still, MW3 is pretty badass
It would be funny if you used an overkill class with the 1887 and the Spas, both maybe using "damage" on both of them.. Plus maybe having Terminator quotes when you get a 1887 kill, and Duke when you kill with the Spas.
I really like the way you leave other peoples mics on during your gameplay, I find it amusing LOL. I also think it's cool the way you said using the Model 1887 is really hard yet you make it look easy. I always thought it was easy for you guys (commentators), because in order for me to beast it and get those huge ass K/Ds I need my mind to be focused, and try hard. Now that I know that it's hard for you too, I'm inspired. I have a 1-3 bar connection on Black Ops and can still get 80 kills rushin
The grip actually increases the SPAS's rate of fire a bit (but it decreases the KSG's rate of fire a little). It also makes the pellets concentrate towards the center a bit (not by much). Don't quote me on those, been a while since I watched that video...
lmao @ sandy jumping @8:00 and the kill cam afterwards lol. Sandy was prolly like ? wtf ? was that somebody ? And the dude said the same shit to himself lmao.
@kickass36 The m60 is no longer in use, the military is seeking an m16 replacement, with the SCAR platform looking to be the most likely replacement. However, i don't think the 1887 was ever US standard issue. And even if it ever was, I can assure you, it hasn't been issued since the early 50's
@ThatsClassic714 I agree I just golded it out two days ago. The real challenge is enduring the leveling process. Range won't make the Usas that much better becaus the Usas seems to have the best range of all shotguns. When you hit lvl 26 the extended mags do help with the extra 3 pellets. But once you hit lvl 28 then the Usas is so good and fun to use with Damage and E-Mags.
Just so yall know, u dont have to finish the entire 1887 lever action animation to fire again. i dont know the exact point at which u can take the second shot. so keep pressin it until it does. u will see that before the gun comes all the way back down that u can refire
use steady aim over dead silence with damage proficiency, youd get so many more 1 shot kills but if you want dead silence and sitrep pro use the specialist setup
I'm finding that aiming down the sights helps. If you don't like doing that, steady aim helps a bit. Nonetheless, I lost a private FFA last night by one kill because I got two hitmarkers with the SPAS-12 on one guy. :(
Hell yeah this is what I'm talkin about! A few tips then on to some action and badass tunes!!! Pumped, time to go run around like a madman...then realize I'm not this good. Nice vid man.
I've been using the Spas-12 alot lately. I'm almost about to unlock the damage perk. As it is, the damage is not that great. I've noticed as I get better at the maps, I'm getting more one shot kills, but some say the damage perk makes it alot like the MW2 Spas.
Sandy the nuke is in, it's for every strike package and it's already usable, just get 25 kills or 24 if your using hardline, even the specialist package has it. Try it Sandy, get a 25 killstreak and MOAB those guys.
@sinuskaffee No, because with specialist, when you hit the 8th kill. Not only do you get all the perks. but you also get all primary proficiencies, except for damage. So by the 8th kill, you'd have damage AND range. As opposed to just range after the 8th kill.
@chunkymilk When you use specialist the All Bonus will give you range for your shotgun. It will not give you damage. That's why you start with Damage, and then get range off of the specialist bonus, so you have both and your shotgun becomes so ridiculous.
hey sandy try this out. take out the spas and use it in hardcore domination. its got the power cuz its hardcore and theres no respawn time. so its really fast paced
basically any shotgun with damage is a decent shotgun, it depends how you use it, dont expect to be rackin kills is you dont play with your head, i've got gold on every shotty except the aa12 which is level 30 atm, just use damage and specialist, if you get full bonus you acquire range as well :) like so people can see, grind your way to damage trust me
no matter what I never get 1 shot kills unless point blank. I just got the model and I need someone to tell me if I should rank that up instead? OR keep going for range on spas or damage?
Little advice if I may... You hardly ever aimed down sight with the model, Steady Aim would have been better than Dead Silence for that purpose and Quickdraw wasn't such a useful help for that matter. Plus, considering the great numbers of assists you're doing, I would recommend you use Hardline Pro (2 Assists = 1 Point Streak) instead of Quickdraw. Finally, before anybody says "Well...giving up Quickdraw means slower grenade throwing..." I would say : "C'mon guys...it's Sandy Ravage..."
Sandy you could run around and throw rocks at them for all i care. Your playstyle is what i enjoy watching..Oh and the duke soundboard makes it even more entertaining :P
the damage is better with the model by far. me personally, i fire from the hip with them from far and when im up close with the damage i tend to ads due to hit markers. i have gotten a 4 man kill with 1 shot with the naked model.
Sandy ravage, you should try the USAS-12 with damage proficiency and extended mags. It fires at a faster rate than the spas-12 and deals about the same amount of damage. You will also find that you can get some pretty far 3-4 hit kills with it.
I empathize with ya hard Sandy on the bullshit that is shotguns in this game especially given that there is no constant running and no lightweight. Haven't got to models yet myself. I know sniping is quite your thing, but i watch you videos because of the the quick action one-shot-kill rapefest you provide so consistently, If you're willing I would find some L118A action beastly, quick-scoping in this game seems to be the most powerful it's ever been.
Well, I think it should be an attachment for both pump action shot guns and snipers (rapid fire) because in rapid fire has the same affect as double tap from cod 4 and waw and when you put it on a pump shotgun or bolt sniper they pumped/bolted faster.
spas-12 is beast with steady aim pro and damage proficiency. sandy should give that combo a shot before dismissing it. thumbs up so he can see and revive spastic series.
sandy its totally up to you, but i have tried it with damage and it is mostly one shot kill within 15ft and rarely two shot kill, its certainly a beast inclose range, but unpredictable anywhere outside the 15 ft. love the commentary by the way :D
One thing that does raise an eyebrow, is the fact that you still get the red boxes. That's all you are aiming at whilst you're in the AC130, just red boxes... Red boxes should only appear if there is a UAV up...
There should be a proficiency for bolt action and pump action ( spas ksg12 model 1887 MSR L118A) that would make it pump or bolt faster. It would be unlocked at level 18 on your gun. Thumbs up if you think that would be a good idea.
If the community was the reason that they demand the1887 to be nerved in MW2 , you can at least tell IW to puff the shutguns such the spas and the 1887 as a liitile bit , cause the map on mw3 are perfect to shutguns in close corners ..
@Sp3kkOpps I agree, If the shotguns are primaries they should at least stand a chance against the assault rifles. Right now they don't, unless you are Sandy Ravage of course...
@SpazMyDawgs actually, because the extended mags glitch was patch, the spas is now one of the worst shotguns in the game. the ksg outdoes it in everysingle way except a very slight difference in range but look at these stats. KSG; each pellet does 28-15 dmg with a total of 9 pellets (252max 125min) with a range of 15 meters. the SPAS has 8 pellets with 25-5 dmg for a total of 200dmg- 40 dmg min) this means the spas cant 1 shot at range while the KSG can 1shot at its fringe with enough pellets
BTW Mr. Ravage....I got the MW3 strategy guide cuz it was half off with preorder and in their custom classes section they have one called The Sandy with spas-12 and ac-130 =)
damage makes it a one shot alot farther me and a couple of my friends were messing around in a private match with em and the one shot range goes up alot more
looks like a tough day at work with the shotguns in MW3; but you still handed them their asses. Maybe later a patch will bring the shotties up to your recognised performance levels?
@randysavage; use what gun u like. You could tell in this video how the gun held you back. If u where using a sub machine gune i think this would have been an 80invite kill game atleast. But with that said it was a lot of fun to watch. Try the street sweeper. I seemed to do alot more work with that shotty then any of the others.
Sandy the KSG 12 with Damage Proficiency is by far THE BEST SHOTGUN IN THE GAME!!! u need to to try it!! it has nice range and one shot kills, u just need the damage proficiency xD
do what you enjoy. we will watch whatever you put out. i can't belive what they did to the spas. they probably saw their gamertags in your spastex vids.
spas-12 / extended mags / damage mp9 / extended mags throwing knife stun sleight of hand pro quickdraw pro stalker pro support / advanced uav / stealth bomber / emp
I love shotgun gameplay, but its really only entertaining if you can get those 1 shot kills and get some doubles or triples, so if the shotgun doesn't get more reliable with the damage proficiency then id rather see other weapons
yeah sandy you don't HAVE to use the spas,that was just your mw2 shotgun of choice,now the model 1887 is your shotgun (I'm assuming anyway) so just use this now instead.
much better then xjawz that little justin bieber rich, Sandy i started seeing your videos since mw2, and you are the best cod player ever. btw your voice is freakin awesome
love how you calmly say like 'see ya guys' and then the awesome music kicks in @ 2:19
The Model 1887 is statistically the best OHK shotgun. As long as 5 of the pellets hit your enemy, it will kill them. At closer range, only 4 pellets are needed to hit. 8 Pellets are shot every time you fire, each doing 30 damage and dropping off to 20 as you get farther away. The offset is that it does have a higher spread than most shotguns (if not all), but that doesn't affect it much.
The other shotguns, you can have all 8 pellets hit and it might not be a OHK.
Mother of All Bombs (Nuke) is a 25 point for those of you who have been asking. I'm pretty sure hundreds of people already had one.
3:20 to 3:50 seems like the end of the world with the song and the helicopters haha cool vibe.
first shogun i used in this game, and I was disappointed that the range was shortened like in Black Ops, but on Black Ops it was kinda semi auto, which made it easy to spray. still, MW3 is pretty badass
Shotguns with the damage proficiency are pretty sick.
It would be funny if you used an overkill class with the 1887 and the Spas, both maybe using "damage" on both of them.. Plus maybe having Terminator quotes when you get a 1887 kill, and Duke when you kill with the Spas.
I'm feeling the Striker a lot Shotgun wise, went hella positive in a few games trying it.
great idea, i used to use double tap on cod4 because thats what it did to bolt and pump action weapons
I really like the way you leave other peoples mics on during your gameplay, I find it amusing LOL. I also think it's cool the way you said using the Model 1887 is really hard yet you make it look easy. I always thought it was easy for you guys (commentators), because in order for me to beast it and get those huge ass K/Ds I need my mind to be focused, and try hard. Now that I know that it's hard for you too, I'm inspired. I have a 1-3 bar connection on Black Ops and can still get 80 kills rushin
The grip actually increases the SPAS's rate of fire a bit (but it decreases the KSG's rate of fire a little). It also makes the pellets concentrate towards the center a bit (not by much). Don't quote me on those, been a while since I watched that video...
lmao @ sandy jumping @8:00 and the kill cam afterwards lol. Sandy was prolly like ? wtf ? was that somebody ? And the dude said the same shit to himself lmao.
I spend ages using the Model, and I found the best set-up was damage, steady aim and hip firing. Anything else would just tag every time...
The first time I used the 1887's I said it feels just like the Spas12 from MW2
Honestly I've had the same success with the Spas in MW3 as I did in MW2 when I threw on Steady Aim. Plenty of 1 hit kills.
@kickass36 The m60 is no longer in use, the military is seeking an m16 replacement, with the SCAR platform looking to be the most likely replacement. However, i don't think the 1887 was ever US standard issue. And even if it ever was, I can assure you, it hasn't been issued since the early 50's
I think that once you get damage for the model you can make it work much better. Ill be looking forward to seeing more clips with this gun Sandy
@ThatsClassic714 I agree I just golded it out two days ago. The real challenge is enduring the leveling process. Range won't make the Usas that much better becaus the Usas seems to have the best range of all shotguns. When you hit lvl 26 the extended mags do help with the extra 3 pellets. But once you hit lvl 28 then the Usas is so good and fun to use with Damage and E-Mags.
Just so yall know, u dont have to finish the entire 1887 lever action animation to fire again. i dont know the exact point at which u can take the second shot. so keep pressin it until it does. u will see that before the gun comes all the way back down that u can refire
use steady aim over dead silence with damage proficiency, youd get so many more 1 shot kills but if you want dead silence and sitrep pro use the specialist setup
the spawns in this game also make it difficult to use shotguns. the game always spawns you the farthest away from the enemy team as possible.
I'm finding that aiming down the sights helps. If you don't like doing that, steady aim helps a bit.
Nonetheless, I lost a private FFA last night by one kill because I got two hitmarkers with the SPAS-12 on one guy. :(
4:40 Ms Sandy Ravage : Reaper
Use range as the proficiency , and use steady aim instead of dead slience. Then you got something close to the spas 12 in MW2.
Hell yeah this is what I'm talkin about! A few tips then on to some action and badass tunes!!! Pumped, time to go run around like a madman...then realize I'm not this good. Nice vid man.
The Spas 12 was good with Damage and Ext Mag when it gave you extra pellets. Now that they patched Ext Mag it isn't as fun.
Sandy if u ADS with the model or use steady aim its a one shot kill at a small distance
I've been using the Spas-12 alot lately. I'm almost about to unlock the damage perk. As it is, the damage is not that great. I've noticed as I get better at the maps, I'm getting more one shot kills, but some say the damage perk makes it alot like the MW2 Spas.
Sandy the nuke is in, it's for every strike package and it's already usable, just get 25 kills or 24 if your using hardline, even the specialist package has it. Try it Sandy, get a 25 killstreak and MOAB those guys.
@sinuskaffee No, because with specialist, when you hit the 8th kill. Not only do you get all the perks. but you also get all primary proficiencies, except for damage. So by the 8th kill, you'd have damage AND range. As opposed to just range after the 8th kill.
that last song goes so harddd
@chunkymilk When you use specialist the All Bonus will give you range for your shotgun. It will not give you damage. That's why you start with Damage, and then get range off of the specialist bonus, so you have both and your shotgun becomes so ridiculous.
I like how you can SEE the B-2 on the radar lol, not to mention it sounds like a 747 when it flies over.
hey sandy try this out. take out the spas and use it in hardcore domination. its got the power cuz its hardcore and theres no respawn time. so its really fast paced
I would never have thought that after just 1 day i'm seriously considering going back to mw1-2.
basically any shotgun with damage is a decent shotgun, it depends how you use it, dont expect to be rackin kills is you dont play with your head, i've got gold on every shotty except the aa12 which is level 30 atm, just use damage and specialist, if you get full bonus you acquire range as well :) like so people can see, grind your way to damage trust me
no matter what I never get 1 shot kills unless point blank.
I just got the model and I need someone to tell me if I should rank that up instead?
OR keep going for range on spas or damage?
The shotguns are just really inconsistent. Sometimes you can snipe people from a 30 ft range and sometimes you get hitmarkers at point blank range.
2021 and this is still some of the best call of duty gameplay.
Little advice if I may...
You hardly ever aimed down sight with the model, Steady Aim would have been better than Dead Silence for that purpose and Quickdraw wasn't such a useful help for that matter.
Plus, considering the great numbers of assists you're doing, I would recommend you use Hardline Pro (2 Assists = 1 Point Streak) instead of Quickdraw.
Finally, before anybody says "Well...giving up Quickdraw means slower grenade throwing..."
I would say : "C'mon guys...it's Sandy Ravage..."
I'm grinding out the spaz now. I just use it like a secondary with the mp9 as a primary. Don't have overkill yet.
@larryjerry1 yes, that person has been in the last few vids, they r partied together too btw
Sandy you could run around and throw rocks at them for all i care. Your playstyle is what i enjoy watching..Oh and the duke soundboard makes it even more entertaining :P
the damage is better with the model by far. me personally, i fire from the hip with them from far and when im up close with the damage i tend to ads due to hit markers. i have gotten a 4 man kill with 1 shot with the naked model.
Does anyone else love the range on the shottys? I'm in love with it.
your actually really good at commentaries
@mimsc00 good point. I personally really like his tastes in music but i can understand where you are coming from.
Sandy ravage, you should try the USAS-12 with damage proficiency and extended mags. It fires at a faster rate than the spas-12 and deals about the same amount of damage. You will also find that you can get some pretty far 3-4 hit kills with it.
I use the spas 12 and I kick arse with it. Only for close quarters maps though. Kills in 1 or 2 all hip fire.
dude, how you get your hauppauge to look so good? you edit at all in vegas?
I empathize with ya hard Sandy on the bullshit that is shotguns in this game especially given that there is no constant running and no lightweight. Haven't got to models yet myself. I know sniping is quite your thing, but i watch you videos because of the the quick action one-shot-kill rapefest you provide so consistently, If you're willing I would find some L118A action beastly, quick-scoping in this game seems to be the most powerful it's ever been.
Well, I think it should be an attachment for both pump action shot guns and snipers (rapid fire) because in rapid fire has the same affect as double tap from cod 4 and waw and when you put it on a pump shotgun or bolt sniper they pumped/bolted faster.
It's just not the same when the shotgun doesn't kill with one shot half of the time. I'd say just use whatever you like the best, Sandy.
spas-12 is beast with steady aim pro and damage proficiency. sandy should give that combo a shot before dismissing it. thumbs up so he can see and revive spastic series.
Hey Sandy Ravage use
Spas 12 extended mags
Perk#1 extremeconditioning pro
Perk#2 assasin pro
Perk#3 Steady aim pro
Makes life better
you should try the striker with steady aim, its awesome.. it doesnt look like the model has a better range..
sandy its totally up to you, but i have tried it with damage and it is mostly one shot kill within 15ft and rarely two shot kill, its certainly a beast inclose range, but unpredictable anywhere outside the 15 ft. love the commentary by the way :D
it seems pretty damn inconsistent, but it looks like a stylish weapon to use.
One thing that does raise an eyebrow, is the fact that you still get the red boxes.
That's all you are aiming at whilst you're in the AC130, just red boxes...
Red boxes should only appear if there is a UAV up...
There should be a proficiency for bolt action and pump action ( spas ksg12 model 1887 MSR L118A) that would make it pump or bolt faster. It would be unlocked at level 18 on your gun. Thumbs up if you think that would be a good idea.
If the community was the reason that they demand the1887 to be nerved in MW2 , you can at least tell IW to puff the shutguns such the spas and the 1887 as a liitile bit , cause the map on mw3 are perfect to shutguns in close corners ..
@Sp3kkOpps I agree, If the shotguns are primaries they should at least stand a chance against the assault rifles. Right now they don't, unless you are Sandy Ravage of course...
i like using the spas with the support point streak because you are going to die ALOT using shotties
Attachment Rapid Fire, id like to use Damage alongside.
@SpazMyDawgs actually, because the extended mags glitch was patch, the spas is now one of the worst shotguns in the game. the ksg outdoes it in everysingle way except a very slight difference in range but look at these stats. KSG; each pellet does 28-15 dmg with a total of 9 pellets (252max 125min) with a range of 15 meters. the SPAS has 8 pellets with 25-5 dmg for a total of 200dmg- 40 dmg min) this means the spas cant 1 shot at range while the KSG can 1shot at its fringe with enough pellets
you should try out all the proficiencies for the gun, and then YOU should make a decision. ppl really wanna see the spastex series.
" Do you think it's worth trying the spas-12 and getting footage of it?" YESS!!
Shotguns so underpowered! I can understand they didnt want them as secondarys but like this!? 53 kills is awesome Sandy :D
Use whatever gun you do best with when rushing
I have been using a bit, but I just got gold for the L86 LSW and it's pretty good. I think my next gold will be the striker or the spas-12.
BTW Mr. Ravage....I got the MW3 strategy guide cuz it was half off with preorder and in their custom classes section they have one called The Sandy with spas-12 and ac-130 =)
u are the reason why i fell in love with rock music
@coldgrimjim so basically it sucks till you get damage? how good is it after that? and what about the other shotguns?
damage makes it a one shot alot farther me and a couple of my friends were messing around in a private match with em and the one shot range goes up alot more
Sandy, you're so awesome that even though the shottys suck, you can make it work :D
You might as well level the 1887 up and see what the damage spec does. Thanks
looks like a tough day at work with the shotguns in MW3; but you still handed them their asses. Maybe later a patch will bring the shotties up to your recognised performance levels?
I'd actually like to see a vid of Sandy owning the campaign on Veteran. A.I. or not, that would be epic.
1:05 Sandy Ravage missed a shot?? OMG, is the end of the world!
The damage proficiency makes the spas-12 and model 1887 worth leveling. You rape level when you add that perk to your shotgun.
I feel like the shot guns are the only guns that act like they don't have stopping power in MW3
@SneaselGaming i found that the striker is very good in mw3. 1-2 shot kills and u can spray it
The 1887 isn't bad, but I'm digging the Striker right now.
@thesnowingtripod i guess the speed proficiency is the new lightweight, but its only to help the slower weapons catch up to ARs and SMGs
one of my favorite killstreak loadouts, usually for me strafe run gets my ac130 lol. good shit tho!
@Rowbik you see, getting a good score with a shotgun is harder in this game than previous cods (except maybe WaW trench gun)
@randysavage; use what gun u like. You could tell in this video how the gun held you back. If u where using a sub machine gune i think this would have been an 80invite kill game atleast. But with that said it was a lot of fun to watch. Try the street sweeper. I seemed to do alot more work with that shotty then any of the others.
Sandy the KSG 12 with Damage Proficiency is by far THE BEST SHOTGUN IN THE GAME!!! u need to to try it!! it has nice range and one shot kills, u just need the damage proficiency xD
Sandy, I love you posting all this content! Can you make this like all the time :P
do what you enjoy. we will watch whatever you put out. i can't belive what they did to the spas. they probably saw their gamertags in your spastex vids.
Yes keep using it, Looks like spas gameplay to me.
spas-12 / extended mags / damage
mp9 / extended mags
throwing knife
stun
sleight of hand pro
quickdraw pro
stalker pro
support / advanced uav / stealth bomber / emp
I love shotgun gameplay, but its really only entertaining if you can get those 1 shot kills and get some doubles or triples, so if the shotgun doesn't get more reliable with the damage proficiency then id rather see other weapons
you should use blast shield or hardline, just a tip
Are the 1887s still dual wieldable? That should still be their primary advantage unless they gave them more attachments.
yeah sandy you don't HAVE to use the spas,that was just your mw2 shotgun of choice,now the model 1887 is your shotgun (I'm assuming anyway) so just use this now instead.
thanks for the music links in desc, good shit.
waht perks should I use with the Spas12 Sandy?
much better then xjawz that little justin bieber rich, Sandy i started seeing your videos since mw2, and you are the best cod player ever. btw your voice is freakin awesome
4:31 Friendly stapler incoming! xD