Secret Remasters & Ports | Punching Weight [SSFF]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- Games discussed in this episode
1. Panzer Dragoon via Panzer Dragoon Orta
2. Ridge Racer via R4: Ridge Racer Type 4
3. Virtua Fighter via Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution
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"You're only a couple bucks away from half the Panzer Dragoon series!!", ......... and $600 away from the other half! ;)
YJZep only $600? When did it get so cheap?
Fun fact: The version of Panzer Dragoon that's on the Orta disk is actually a port of the PC version (evidenced by the 480p rendering resolution, additional view distance, and higher polygon counts)
Ohhhh, is that so? If that’s true, that explains why it was done. It would have taken Sega much less effort to port an existing PC version rather than the Saturn edition.
Namco did something similar with Tekken 5. It includes arcade ports of Tekken 1, 2, and 3. Along with a space shooter called StarBlade. It's pretty crazy. Tekken 5 has a ton of content by itself. They really went above and beyond.
+CaptainAtomSmasher; getting a lot of requests here in the comments, but this one i actually didn't know. thanks!
Skipping Tekken 5? Came with Tekken 1-3 and the loading screen was an old Arcade game
+Groovy Gorgar; damn you're right! guess i'll just have to make more episodes ;)
They were only the arcade ports.
Isn't Panzer Dragoon just a straight port from the Saturn original? I wouldn't know since I've -never played any game in the series- only played Panzer Dragoon Orta once at a GameStop a very long time ago, but I figured Derek would mention the changes the port made if there were any.
Actually, it's a port of the pc port
You can actually unlock the full Starblade game (the one in the loading screen) and it appears as an option alongside T1, 2 and 3.
It's a hidden collectible inside the Devil Within mode. Funnily, this mode by itself can be considered to be another completely different game included in the disc (kind of like the Konquest modes and minigames in most 6th-gen Mortal Kombat games).
Another money saver is Dracula X Chronicles which is a remaster of Rondo of Blood but also has the original Rondo of Blood and Symphony of Night all in one.
+Texasbabymunch I know a lot of people who bought that game specifically for Symphony of the Night.
+TheGamedawg Yeah I also think now it is also on the PS Store so you can play it on your vita or PS TV.
heard they ruined the voice acting though
The complete opposite.
They ruined the voice acting with the original release.
The PSP version is redone and actually good.
Yeah but Rondo of Blood sucks.
The 32X version of Virtua Fighter really DID count for something. It plays smooth and was a great way to practice for the arcades back then. It was preferred over the first Saturn release and is still impressive for that system.
Mark one point for the 32X (lord it needs a win).
Yes, the Ridge Race updated game does in fact run at 60 frames per second. I can see the difference between the two even without a side by side comparison, but with the two games side by side the difference is stunning. Much more smooth and flowing when played. Great video BTW! Love the series.
Shame you didnt mention Virtua fighter 2 being in yakuza 5, which adds multiplayer to it
Kaleb Zucker adds? It has online?
BadPhilosophy I know but the "adds multiplayer" part sounded weird to me, it's an arcade fighting game, of course it would have multiplayer.
As far as i know the Yakuza port is nothing more than a barebones emulated port of the Model2 game with a few minor emulation glitches.
Ridge Racer bonus mode - my friend, you are not sliding corners!! This is a RR crime! It definitely runs at 60fps btw, the lack of opponents is to keep the performance up.
Since the name change your channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites for in-depth geeky video game nostalgia.
Keep 'em comin'!
+Serpico's Beard; thanks! we've got big plans for 2016 so stay tuned!
+Stop Skeletons From Fighting Ouchie on the 32x dig... That port was developed and produced by AM2 itself and was overseen by Suzuki. He painstakingly made sure his 1993 masterpiece was given it's proper justice on a system with odd architecture that the team was very unfamiliar with not only being developed in the US but also it being brand new when he worked with it. It's no hidden gem, but I would have to say that port was a damn near technical masterpiece all things considered, and is a faithful representation of one of my all time favorite games. And come on, a mushroom that turned our 1989 released 16 our Megas into a 32bit polygonal powerhouse? Pretty remarkable when given thought and it's proper due diligence.
Wow R4 looks impressive. For a second I thought it was an early ps2 game
Wait till you hear the R4 intro,one of the best intro for racing games other then GT2 :)
+Darko
I was like: "Well, for a PS2 game it doesn't look THAT impressive... Wait, it's for PS1!?"
+Darko
The only thing I hate is the car unlocking system-you have to lose for more cars?!
R4 uses a clever system in which both sprites and polygons are applied. The cars themselves are actually sprites, allowing them to appear much smoother than you'd expect from a PS1 game and allowing more horsepower to be used for the environmental stuff. Gran Turismo 1 did this as well.
i own r4 - its a great ass game
Ninja Gaiden (Xbox) contains the Ninja Gaiden Trilogy (Snes)
I know that TMNT 2 Battle nexus for GC/Xbox/PS2 has a hidden port of the turtles arcade game. Also, Castlevania Dracula x has ports of Symphony of the night and Rondo of blood that are unlockable. Great vid as always Derek, thanks.
+jherek last Really, which TMNT arcade game? Was it 2 or Turtles in Time?
I'll be sure to tell all my friends! Oh, wait...I don't have any.
+SteamboShow I can be your friend.
+SteamboShow I also can be your friend!
Ill sub if you do, friend-o.
+SteamboShow You can take comfort in knowing that there are girls out there willing to be someone's friend for money. So at least you got your dignity.
+SteamboShow I like you :(
Panzer dragoon orta is easily one of the best games made.
You get two great games for one!
+Salokin Sekwah yea dude it is. How about Zwei on the saturn? :D
Saddens me that Virtua Fighter is pretty much dead, but at least Tekken is doing well. I really would love 3D fighters to get as big as they were in the late 90s and early 00s again.
I love this channel. It is very refreshing to see videos from someone who genuinely loves video games and the art of it all. At least that what I feel when I see all these videos.
+christian Arredondo; what?? no! i'm being "ironic" in all of my videos. i actually really hate video games. liking things is so uncool, you know.
+Stop Skeletons From Fighting that sir would be the longest running joke. But then again it really wouldn't matter for the people that watch your videos for the love of games. Keep up the good work or keep up the good joke.
Ridge Racer Type 4 was FANTASTIC. The storyline really added to the gameplay. It was the first ps1 game I bought on PS3.
+JazGalaxy
Only hate is the car unlocking system.
Hell yes, Virtua Fighter! I’m glad we didn’t have to pay for ours in VF4: EVO, but I’m amazed that Japan always seems to get the short end of the stick in this kind of stuff.
Ridge Racer Unbounded is one of the most underrared and fun games of the last generation. If you loved Split/Second (another game I HIGHLY recommend), give it a chance. It was developed by Bugbear, creators of the Flatout series and Wreckfest a.k.a. Next Car Game. It is very competent and stylish!
I loved it! The track creator was especially fun.
Your videos are brilliant. There are so many posers and fakes on TH-cam, but you make and narrate your videos in such an informative way, with so much enthusiasm. Keep up the good work!
Great video, I love a bit of Panzer Dragoon and Ridge Racer. I'd also add to your list of hidden gems the inclusion of the Original Outrun inside the Xbox version of Outrun 2. Looks like you got a bit more content with your Ridge Racer Tubro disc in the US than us in the UK (it was called 'Hi-Spec' instead of Turbo here) I can't remember remember any of those demos on the version I had.
I love your shows man!! I can’t get enough of all these treasures. Great job, both of you.
It was amazing to see ridge racer running at 60fps back in the day it blew my mind
Derek, I just want to say that I love this new series, keep up the good work.
Thank you for your continued work! All of your shows are awesome!
Great vid, and I'm really liking Punching Weight and its curator-style approach.
One of my favorite games on the PS2 was Armored Core Nexus, which comes with 2 discs: Evolution and Revolution. The former has the game's new campaign with all its rebalances and new mechanics and parts, while the latter has remastered and updated stages from the PS1 Armored Core games with even more rewards. Some of those were parts you couldn't even get in those games! And anything you did on either disc was saved in a common file, meaning you were always making progress. If you're into Armored Core or mech simulation action games, I totally recommend that.
+Alnet; wow, thanks! i know next to nothing about armored core so i'll write this one down
Really good video. It's good to see you guys are still going strong. I'm not sure why I wasn't subbed to you. Subbed now.
I wish we had racing games like R4 these days. That game is so good! The Ne-Gcon makes the experience even better. One of the best racers ever.
There are also all splatterhouse games on splatterhouse for xbox360/PS3
+Florian S; oh trust me, i know!
+Florian S He already mentioned that when he reviewed it. Also I sadly don't own a PS3 or 360.
+Stop Skeletons From Fighting There's actually a PC port of the first Splatterhouse, and it's also on par with the FM Towns port as a near arcade perfect port from what I've heard on The West Mansion fansite. The great thing about it is that it plays great, even on modern Windows systems despite being released in 2003; I have played it on Windows 8.1 and unlike a few of my other older games where they run badly because of the botched support for older DirectX versions, Splatterhouse plays at full speed without any issues.
This is a fun show, Derek! Can't wait for more. Cheers!
+bicuspidfish; thanks! and don't worry there's more coming!
Really nice getting back from work and seing this in the inbox. Another excellent video.
my heart exploded when i saw the ridge racer bonus disk the hours i had playing the klonoa dtp and tekken 3 demo back in 2003 when i was 4 years old was truly amazing......
SSF emulates the Saturn perfectly now. Also Panzer Dragoon 1 has a very good PC version that supports higher resolutions and consistent frame-rates.
aw man, good times with Orta. i loved that game so much and i actually unlocked everything in that game. that game got HARD, but it felt worth it in the end.
This needs a part 2. There's still many games that weren't covered. The main one that comes to mind is Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles. The main game is a 2.5D Rondo of Blood remake, but you can unlock the original Rondo of Blood and the amazing Symphony of the Night by finding their respective items in the main game. The SOTN port has re-done voice acting and compiles all the extra content from every version of the game, including the extra levels and characters.
This video is just as good as the last one. Keep up the good work Derek!
Cool stuff, really loving this series.
I promise to tell two whole friends about this series...eventually. :P
I would like to inform all of you that if you're interested in helping build a community around Derek and his videos, head on over to www.reddit.com/r/stopskeletons and join us. The graphics are a WIP since i haven't been able to get Derek to contact me back about getting some sweet matching graphics for the sub.
Great vid! I love learning new things about gaming...keep it up!
I love your stuff, sir. You're awesome.
I own (still) both Ridge Racer Type 4 and Panzer Dragoon Orta and have thoroughly enjoyed both games. Both of these deserve a new release for the current or next generation consoles and I reckon it's the right time now to release a Panzer Dragoon game with VR experience to bring the series forward
you guys are amazing. keep up the great work.
Unbounded is a pretty good game, and I'm not a big fan of "Arcade" type racers in the NFS mould but, it was quite enjoyable.
I have zero idea how I missed this video....
But I'm here now and that's all that matters.
FYI; there were two versions of the original Ridge Racer on the bonus disc. To quote CGM, “this disc...features the complete Ridge Racer game, plus a scaled down version of the game running at a smooth 60 frames per second”.
Tekken 5 is probably worth mentioning considering you get arcade ports of Tekken 1, 2, 3 and even Starblade.
I always enjoy the old games packaged in new ones. First time seein' it was Tekken for me
Man I grew up playing my uncle's Sega Saturn. Virtua Fighter and the Alien game and Wipeout. VF and Wipeout still hold a dear place in my heart. Might have to look into playing the dragon one.
I love "weird" videos like this. Keep it up Derek.
Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles for the PSP has Symphony of the Night with maria as a playable character like the saturn version ^^
Vampires Crypt Much nicer and smoother than the proper PS1 version too! Took an effort to unlock though, took me quite a few attempts :) Such a satisfying unlock though!
there's the original rondo of blood for the PCE TurboGrafx included as well!
DuckAlert Beats ugh, I've owned it for 7 or 8 years and still haven't been able to unlock it!!!😢 So good job! Great game though, I'll get it some day
Ridge Racer Turbo runs at 480i60, but the PS3 is mishandling it as 480p30, hence the halved frame rate and extreme combing artefacts.
As silly as it may be, Animal Crossing is a great way to get a sampling of early NES games and is, honestly, me and my brother's introduction to "really old video games" (I grew up with 6th Gen consoles and I think the oldest system I had played with at that point was the N64)
Most of the normally available ones are pretty simple as games (though some are still pretty noteworthy, such as Donkey Kong and Balloon Fight) and can be kinda annoying to come across, but are generally worth it. If you're feeling lazy, you can also obtain the items through password generators (most notably, Punch-Out !! is only available through this method) and a few available through cheating devices if that's your thing (Super Mario Bros, Legend of Zelda).
It's way cheaper to buy Animal Crossing than buying all of them on VC. It goes for about $20 online, and all you need to play it is a controller and a Gamecube or Wii, both of which are really easy to get a hold of. It also saves your data, a nice plus over VC and managing suspend/restore points. Plus Animal Crossing is a great game on its own so yeah, definitely would recommend
What the hell is a SEGA Saturn, that sounds out of this world!! No actually excellent video and it's awesome to even hear the awesome Ridge Racer Remaster being talked about :)
There's a port of Time Splitters 2 hidden in Homefront The Revolution. There's an arcade machine in the top floor of the prison district that unlocks the port when activated. And its accessible from the main menu once you beat Homefront if you unlocked it.
such a great episode!
Great vid, and never realized Orta came with the original as an unlockable, will need to pick that up.
Also...I like Virtua Fighter on the 32x...probably more than I should
Here's an interesting bit of perspective: Panzer Dragoon Orta was released in 2002 and is about 19 years old as of this comment. In the year Quake 1 was released, 1996, the Atari 2600 was also about 19 years old being released in 1977.
From that perspective I think it's fair to consider the original Xbox retro at this point, and maybe the Atari downright vintage.
Dunno if this has been mentioned already, but Ridge Turbo DOES run at 60hz, but only on an actual PS1 ;)
Wow it's awesome to see all these other games. I have to agree with the Virtua Fighter game, picked it up for a few bucks and when checking out the features, noticed that bonus. Also Panzer Dragoon is one game I need to try. Overall love the series and looking forward to some more videos.
The first time I ever came across something like this in a game was with Metroid Zero Mission. ZM is an incredible reimagining of the original Metroid, and it was also my first Metroid game. When you beat the game, you actually unlock the original as a bonus. Given that the oldest console I've played at that point was the Genesis, I've never seen anything that archaic before. It was really interesting.
I loved most of the ridge racer games and wish they would bring it back or do a next gen remaster
Great video, SSFF. Will you be mentioning the Dreamcast BLEEM discs sometime soon?
I was confused when you were first showing Ridge Racer Type 4, "2000? Didn't PS2 release in 2001?" Then I realized it was PS1 and was absolutely floored.
I got goosebumbs when you mention R4,that game hold part of my childhood memory and being mentioned in these days,Just wow i can't describe the feeling i had now,Great Work SSFF
+Chaser Same here man. R4 is so undervalued. Between the music, the style, the presentation. Nothing has matched it.
+Greg Evangelista Yeah,i agree,so Great
Same here, to this day it is my favourite game of all time. I actually wanted to learn programming just to make my own mod. Did not learn how to program, so i had to settle for playing it on a PC emulator. Looks great on 4k. Highly recommended.
I'm so glad I picked up a Saturn and Panzer Dragoon Saga back in like 2003 or so. I got both for under $100 as well as a 3D controller, Nights, and Christmas Nights. I managed to avoid the ridiculous launch price of the Saturn on one end of it's history and the even more absurd thousand dollar prices of Saga on this end of it's history.
Ridge Racer for PSP is one of the best racers ever made. I would say TOP 5.
I had R4 and the Bonus disc as a kid, very cool!
I wish more games did this. I mean a lot will put in ports or emulations of older games as a bonus, but I mean I'd like to see this turn into a more common practice, especially when the ports are ports of older games that are harder to come by.
hey Derick, for the next Punching Weight, why not look at games that were conventional in genre but unconventional in controls, two that come to mind are Microphone based.
Odama, a Pinball game on the GameCube thats set in fudal japan where you use a voice mic to command a small army to move a bell to the designated spot while you do the pinball stuff.
LifeLine, a survival horror game on the PS2 where you are trapped on a hotel in space thats being infested with aliens, you speak through the mic to communicate with Rio a waitress who needs you to tell her where to go and what to do to save you both, the game recognizes 500 verbal commands in both exploration and combat.
both these games are rough around the edges since this was still new tech at the time and even today machines have trouble understanding voice commands, but I think ambitious ideas' like these deserved to be admired for what they tried to do :3
I will pick up Panzer Dragoon Orta since I never owned or even played that much of the Saturn. Since I didn't grow up with the Saturn I don't care to get one, especially when the games are too overpriced that I have no connection with from my youth.
Great video again brotha
Funny you mention Virtua Fighter 4, because Virtua Fighter 5 is included inside judgment on PS4. And the game (VF5) hasn't been released on newer consoles (PS4/Xbox)... and MK Trilogy (N64) had space invaders, but you could only access it when you finished the game and only 1 stage, but from what i remember that version was insanely good, i don't know if more space invaders of that quality came out around that time or not.
Having secret full games inside other games is my favourite thing in the gaming industry and I wish it happened more often.
One game that did this was Metroid Zero Mission, it included a port of the original Metroid for NES, so you could get a comparison to see how far the game had come
Love it every time you upload man, been watching sense your Weezer music video. Keep up the great work man perfect videos to wind down with after a long day.
3 other games I can think of off the top of my head that has these features are Splatterhouse 2010 where you can unlock all 3 of the classic games which is awesome :D Shenmue 1/2 where you can go to an arcade in game and play some classic sega arcade games and then in Sonic Generations you can unlock a Sega Mega Drive and play the original Sonic the hedgehog in game
My favorite thing like this was finding Contra and Super C as unlockables on Contra 4. Haven't actually managed TO unlock Super C as Contra 4's missions that get you such things are hard as hell, but it's there! lol
I immediately thought of Winback, originally for the N64 but ported to PS2. It was totally worth it to upgrade it from 64-bit! Also, maybe the Space Channel 5 Part 2, which included the original game. Damn great game.
+David Leslie winback ps2 had an extra game included?
I owned a Saturn with Panzer Dragoon 1 & 2, shining force 3, Dragon Force, Clockwork Knight, Nights, some racing game, and some other tactical game like Shining force that I don't remember. Sold the whole set for like $100 bucks 10 years or so ago, I wish I still had it.
For me personally, the best originals packed into a game is definitely with Tekken 5..You get Tekken 1-3 (arcade versions) and even the ability to play tye full version of StarBlade.
All looks incredibly good too, especially in progressive scan with component video cables.
videogameobsession ,
Agreed and, speaking for NTSC-U release of Tekken 5 :
I believe the port of StarBlade here for PS2 also adds rumble function to the DualShock2 ( an approximation I suppose of the rumble seat of the original arcade cabinet ) I'm not so sure about the PS1 dedicated port which also currently sells for a high price.
A note on resolution: though Tekken 5 is documented having 480p resolution, the PS1 ports therein are listed at 240p which may not be supported by most recent flatscreens.
amazing to see this!
some recommendations for future episodes, Sonic Adventure DX you can unlock some Gamegear sonic games...
Metroid Prime 1 can unlock the original NES Metroid
Megaman Anniversary Collection can unlock Megaman PowerFighters 1 & 2...
Megaman X Collection can unlock Megaman Battle & Chase...
Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles can unlock the OG Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night...
Sonic Generations can unlock Sonic the Hedghog...
OG Xbox Ninja Gaiden (not Black) can unlock some NES Ninja Gaiden games...
NDS Contra 4 can unlock NES Contra & Super C
Some other nice package deals:
- Tekken 5 (PS2) has Tekken 1 2 & 3 on the disc.
- Castlevania X Chronicles (PSP) contains the original and remade Rondo of Blood as well as Symphony of the Night
- Splatterhouse (360/PS3) has Splatterhouse 1-3 as unlockables - found this out on an old HVGN episode ;)
- Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (PS2) has the original MSX Metal Gear games
+Matt Beaudoin; hmmm, it's almost like there's too many to list in one video. damn! i'll have to make more!
Fabulous idea of games pushing the boundaries of their own limitations!!!
What about “Mayhem In Monsterland” on the Commodore 64... amazing!
Great episode, I loved that Panzer Dragoon got a shout out but I feel that the Ridge Racer and Virtua Fighter 4 were kind of a cop out. They miss features of the original and aren't 1:1. I feel that Dracula X Chronicles with its inclusion of the original Dracula X, and Symphony of the Night would have been a good showcase. Tekken 5 would also fit the bill nicely with its inclusion of perfect arcade ports of Tekkens 1-3 which is pretty impressive and intriguing. :) But still, keep up the good work. :)
memories of playing the original virtua fighter arcade. there used to be one in the old bowling alley arcade in my town.
Hey Derek, the ps3 caps ps1 games at 30fps.
Yeah I know it sucks.
+Salokin Sekwah What. I never heard about this. That really sucks.
+Salokin Sekwah; that's a bummer, but the quality is otherwise really good. i've been getting all of my ps1 footage from off my ps3
Stop Skeletons From Fighting Don't.
The PS3s emulation is subpar at best.
Go out and get an Elgato that can capture Composite signal.
You'll get great footage with the original framerate.
+Salokin Sekwah I never even noticed that.
Salokin No, get a good upscaler and an RGB cable.
Outside of the already mentioned Tekken 5 and Dracula Chronicles X (although there's 3 extra games in it I believe, not just 2), there's also MGS3 which had the MSX versions of the 2 Meal Gear games. And I know Yakuza tends to do this sometimes. Megaman X collection for the PS2/GC/XB also contained Rockman Battle and Chase, and is the only time the game was given an official US release.
While not exactly a port, Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense allowed you the ability to play the stages from the first game if you put that disk in at some point while playing the second game.
What a great series
Animal Crossing for GameCube and its selection of working NES consoles you could get for your house. So many memories.
Ridge racer is my fav racing series. I think the psp titles are the pinnacle of the series. 5, rage & rave racer, RR4 & RR2(psp), & 6 & 7 are the best IMO.
Bayonetta being included with Bayonetta 2 was a nice freebie (and maybe the best version of the game).
The Turbo Mode on Ridge Racer is most definitely 60fps. But it only runs properly on a PS1 or PS2. I tried playing it on a PS3 once and not only was the frame rate capped but there was glitching across the bottom of the screen.
Derek, slightly off topic but can you do a video on Namco's NegCon? I experienced it for the first time at Magfest this year and man, it's buttery smooth playing Ridge Racer and Wipeout on that thing. It was like test driving a Maserati.
I remember Tekken 5 also coming with Tekken 1,2 and 3!
Thats almost the whole mainline series on 1 disc!
Never been too crazy about the Ridge Racer games as I've played a decent amount of them, but only beat the DS version for some reason, though Unbounded is a really fun racer that got overlooked alongside Blur, and Split Second. Though I actually bought Orta to play the original Panzer Dragoon as I didn't have a Saturn at the time, and that game reminded of Star Fox at the time, so 5 bucks well spent.
Believe it or not, I have never heard of "Panzer Dragon". I did hear about "Ridge Racer" from a joke in Noah "Spoony" Antwiler's riff of the infamous "Game Crazy" training video, and "Virtua Fighter"...I do remember that one. But "Panzer Dragon" sounds almost new to me, and that's a shame, because I'm a Playstation guy, and I didn't own a "Sega Saturn".
Also, the VF 32x port is certainly worth something. It plays great, and should be a punching weight type game as it is! I should know, I'm a huge fan. I'm currently looking at a V.F. arcade cab as I type this!
Yeah it's always cool to get bonus shit like that.