Sold my 365 that I carried for the longest time and picked up a Shield Plus bug out bundle for $540 altogether including shipping and transfer fee. 5 mags, night sights and optics ready. I don’t regret my decision at all
I’m getting the shield plus for the value pack at my local gun shop. $530 comes with interchangeable holster 1 10rd mag and 4 13rd mags with a first aid kit and zip up bag and lockable case. Can’t beat it for this bundles overall value.
That's a smokin' deal dude. How does it shoot? I'm planning on heading to the local outdoor store/shooting range provided they carry some of these newer micro compact pistols. I love the Smith but I also like the Sig since it's smaller and would hide better on my slimmer frame
@@JV-tk9yn I’ve rented both pistols at my local range in the last 2 months. I’m in love with the Shield Plus. The 365 is very nice too, but the Shield Plus felt like I was shooting a much bigger pistol.
Really appreciate your review on the Shield Plus a few months back. I was dead set on the 365, but didn't care for the trigger or the grip. But as soon as I picked up the Plus and dry fired it, I bought it! No regrets, love the Shield Plus and carry it every day
Same same here on the p365, didn't like the trigger or the way it felt in hand. It is a quality well made firearm though. The shield plus really shoots well for me.. esp. for a gun its size.
Never heard of an issue with the hellcat; it's also smaller, holds same/ more ammo, better sights, mounting system. Also, the Hellcat was the number 1 selling micro of 2020/2021. I don't find it any snappier than the 365 or the shield plus. Could just be the way it fits my hands; it's pretty subjective. I like the 365 and the plus, I just feel the hellcat is a step above both. Especially if you put the apex trigger in it. Great vid and comparison as always Outlaw.
@@unknownunknown3025 exactly why I carry the hellcat every day. It works better for me and I shoot it better than the 365, I like the sights better. Haven’t shot the m and p plus yet, but I’m pissed at smith and Wesson because my compact .22 I bought my wife came broken. Won’t cycle 2 rounds without jamming
@Lester Parker that's unfortunate. I tend to stay away from 22 pistols because of reliability issues with them. I'll do 22 revolvers and rifles though.
@@unknownunknown3025 I was just talking about these two but as far as all small guns I wouldn't give my GLOCK 26 for all of the other ones made all together.... as stupid as that sounds
Ever since I moved to the states I've fallen in love with these creators, you guys have taught me so much in the past couple of months! Next week I'm actually buying my first gun in the US and for many years I considered a M&P 2.0 .40 but honestly I might switch to 9mm with the P365xl
I have a p365xl and I love it. It shoots great and feels great but if you are planning on concealed carrying every day I'd say get the regular 365 or the shield or a similar gun. The Kimber R7 Mako is also a great gun as well as the Ruger Max-9 and Mossberg MC2sc or Canik Tp9 sfx, all great guns that are considered top of their class. To me the 365xl is just about big to concealed carry comfortably. I have the Ruger LCP Max 380 and I love it, it's so small it makes the 365 looks big and still has 12 rnds of 380.
I'd stick with the m&p 40. More power yet not overbearing & typically easier to get than 9mm when ammo runs dry due to gun grabbers. Oh & you can swap a barrel out & shoot 357sig which is next level bad a$s & will outperform all 3 with ease.
I just can’t find any reason to part with mine. The trigger is the only thing I’ve ever gripes about. The only thing I’ve considered is upgrading to the Shield Plus for a newer, carry.
Hey! I specifically asked for this vs review! Thanks for following up. I did however find both to be too small for my giant hand/frame and went with the PDP! And love it! Thanks again!
I currently own and carry a P365. And have had that as one of my main EDC for almost 4 years now. No complaints. Now, before that my EDC was a Shield Performance Center (single stack). Both great guns. Nothing wrong with choosing one of these two. This was a great comparison. Thanks.
365 owner here, had mine for a while. Due to the shape, I find it to be the most concealable ccw I've ever tried. I have the standard model, and I use the flush mag as well as 12 round mags. With the 12 round mag, the grip is great and easier to handle with the 12 rounder and it's still extremely concealable. At night it gets the 15 round mag for nightstand duty. I haven't tried the Shield Plus yet, but have certainly tried the original Shield. I never got along with the grip on the Shield, it just felt awkward and I never felt comfortable with it. The 365 just melts into my palm. You seriously can't go wrong with either though, these are both fantastic. ****EDIT as today I bought an optics ready shield plus. After testing it out, I really liked it, and my current 365 does not have an optics plate. Rather than buying the 365 all over again just to get an optics slide, I decided to grab the shield for a lot less money. The Shield is getting a Holosun 407k GR mounted today. I'll be carrying it with the 13 round mag, and the p365 will be used for more deep conceal with the 10 round flush. As I said in my original statement, you can't go wrong with either.
I like that the Shield Plus has the same grip angle and contour as the M&P 9mm full-size (albeit narrower). This makes it easier to transition between the micro & full-size. I also like that the center of the trigger falls (a bit) below where the web of the hand goes, like most S&W pistols & revolvers.
I just ordered my shield plus. I was contemplating P365 but after watching your review. I can't wait to shoot few rounds and start carrying my shield plus. Thank you again for a great side by side review.
Whenever I see a video drop I like it immediately even if I can’t watch it right away. I know whenever I see the notification good content awaits. Love the channel!
I'm 4'11', 100 lbs. with a small stature and smaller hands. I have been eying the Sig P365 for a while now. Thanks to your video, I'm finally set on getting the P365! Size-wise, it fits perfectly in my hands (actually tried handling it at a gun shop). It's easier to conceal on my small body too. :)
Solid choice. Can't go wrong with a Sig. Did you try out a Shield? My wife is 5'2 120, has small hands. She likes the grip angle of MP line and size of the shield.
These vids on the S&W M&P Shield Plus pretty much sold me on that thing. Super impressed with the long range shooting on the S&W M&P Shield Plus video review you did. Solid stuff.
I love mine too, but when I first got it, I could only load 10 or 11 rounds into the 12-rnd mag by hand. I needed a mag loader to load the last round or two because it was so tight. And with 12 rounds in the mag, the slide was a bear to rack.
When I was looking to buy my first CCW, I read many reviews, watched many videos and spent many days at the range renting and test firing over 10 different popular carry pistols. It came down to both the P365 XL and the Shield Plus for the finals. On the last range trip I spent over an hour testing them both side by side shooting many rounds. While I really liked both of them, I ended up purchasing the Shield Plus for all the reasons you talk about in this video. The Shield Plus was more comfortable in my hand, it was more controllable, less snappy and I just shot better with it. I have been very happy with it for the past year.
Nice upload. Nice seeing an upload where one is free to express their own thought a topic. Most other channels would have chosen a Glock or the Sig 365.
P365X for me personally. Being 6'4 I need that extra grip (with magguts and hogue grip). Chris you need to get you a P365XL lower and swap it out and test this again!
@@krbmsw the point is he should be comparing the P365X and the Shield+.... that's essentially what you get when you put an XL grip on a standard length p365 slide.
I recently got a used Shield Plus. The gun shop staff member got a CZ P10 C. The extra mags sold me on getting it used. I rented one that day. The trigger and grip were fantastic!
Great review. Both guns seem like a great option. The shield feels better in my hand and has had zero reliability issues after roughly 850 rounds. Both great firearms tho!
Nice comparisons; thanks! Don't have a 365 but I love my Shield Plus. 10+1 and 13+1 mags in the box. I like the slightly larger grip and softer recoil of the Shield Plus. $50 rebate on Shields through mid-May 2022, too.
Yup. I own the P365 and carry it daily. I found a GREAT deal on a Shield Plus, optics ready, plus five-13 round mags for $510. I'm thinking I need to get it. Especially with the 50 dollar rebate right now.
I researched pistols for concealed carry and the Shield Plus was in the top 3. As soon as I picked up the Shield Plus and felt it in my hands, I knew it was THE one. I love it!
As an owner of the p365, I would go with the sig. However, I have never heard anything bad about the shield either. Either one is a good option. Another great video! Love your content.
@@spnfirearms As far as Chris' comments of the grip being too short for the 365 (with the 10 round mag, they do make a pinky extension.) I too wear XXL gloves. My answer to the short mag is use the 12 round. Problem solved. As far as recoil, I don't get it where guys are saying the 365 is "snappy" The first thing that impressed me about it was the recoil impulse was remarkably light and straight back. Perhaps the geometry of our hands or grips create different impressions. Those slacker sights on the SW are a deal breaker. Nonetheless, great video, balanced and fair
@@Jeff-mv4yy I agree, I bought mine with the tac pac and it came with three 12 round mags, no night sights on the shield plus standard was a deal breaker for me.
I would shoot both at a range were you can rent or borrow. You will find a wide range of difference in what you can grip well, shoot well and which you are more prone to creating shooter induced malfunctions. Me - .45 Shield Friend - 9mm Shield Plus Wife - Springfield Hellcat Twin Boys - 9mm Shield 1.0 (Apex Trigger and Stippling) Daughter - P365 I've been carrying a Shield Plus more lately but still feel more confident with the. 45. I have big mitts and the extra grip frame length front to rear (.45) really helps but the slight extra width on the Plus does make it roomier than the standard 9mm. The P365 is extremely cramped for me and I'm not at all confident it wouldn't lead to a poor grip and user induced malfunctions under stress. Yet I can handle an LCP .380 with zero issue, go figure.
I own both and love them both dearly.... But the shield is so much easier to shoot, especially when it comes to recoil control. When out with friends and family I always let them try both and no one has ever shot the Sig better than the shield.
My favorite gun to shoot is the M&P 9. I bought a Shield 1.0 for under $300 when they were on sale just before the 2.0 came out. I found the grip a little too thin. I put a Hogue over grip on it and it feels much better. I bet the Shield Plus would feel good out of the box.
@@someguynearseattle1985 I just bought a shield plus and like the grip. A little thicker and a lot “grippier” due to the aggressive texture. Haven’t shot it yet tho. I bought the package with the extra magazines from Bud’s. I thought it was a good deal and now it is even $100 less.
Shot the Shield Plus (brother's) and my 365XL side-by-side at the range. Both fantastic firearms that you could not go wrong with. I have a 365 on order and will change out to a flat trigger - I really like that on my XL, as well as the X-series P320 that I own. This is the golden age of handguns. So many great choices and so much new technology.
I just upgraded from a Shield to a 365XL. Me and my gf both had Shields and we both had the same issue, even though her's is a 2.0 and mine was the original. They kept false resetting. It would click like it reset but it actually didn't. There's 2 clicks that feel identical right on top of each other. You had to go to the 2nd click to actually get it to reset. I don't regret going to a 365XL at all.
I've owned both. The Sig comes with night sights and is smaller than the the Shield Plus. I prefer the shield plus it's easier to shoot, mags are slightly cheaper. Not to mention I bought the P365 when it first came out and it had some FTE and light primer strike issues
Very valid points. Even with my medium sized hands, I never felt quite comfortable with the P365. I trained with it quite a bit, but I never felt that I could get a good grip under stress. That’s why I got rid of it. Thank you very much for the video!
Another great comparison review, and thanks for putting it out there. I have both and prefer the P365 for shooting and concealed carry in T shirt weather. Neither will replace my Glock 27 though for concealed carry, and it's nice to have so many choices we here in the USA.
I've been waiting on this. I like the shield plus because it worked out of the box instead of the 1st batches of p365s. Never buy a first generation Sig lol.
Never buy a first generation s&w. Look what they just did with the csx 🤦♂️ idk how wither company doesn't figure this shit out before putting them on the market
I have both and like both . Both guns have had no issues . I carry the shield more often but during the summer I pocket carry the p365 . If you can't decide , get both !
Every video I watch of his makes me more happy that I went with the m&p+. Got it for a steal as well @$400 w 50 rounds of target ammo and a box of horn crit def rounds.
I owned a Keltec P-11 in 1995. Polymer frame, 14oz, 10+1, 9mm. Long double action trigger. Absolutely reliable. Love the 365, but it started nothing. Change my mind.
Still carrying the original Shield with the hinged trigger. Had it for quite a few years. No failures and mine has a good trigger (they all did not). Finally got a holster I can live with. A Milt Sparks Summer Special II.
I have an optics ready S&W Performance Center M&P9 Shield Plus with a 4" barrel and the Crimson Trace optics. I took the optics off until I get more range time with it. It is my preferred CC firearm and I use 124gr JHP (same as my local PD) in a 10+1 for my EDC ammo.
Great video! The only polymer gun I carry at this point is the P365...and it is a pocket gun for the times in the summer when I am in shorts and tee shirt. The rest of the time it will be a compact semi auto of revolver. I find that the savings in weight isn't enough to give up the feel of a heavier gun...the are smoother shooting and are back on target faster. The gun I choose will depend on where I am going and what I am doing.
Shield Plus for me. I had the Shield 2.0 for awhile and then purchased the Shield Plus when it came out and put night sights on it. Great shooter with little recoil for the side.
I personally feel the 365X is the ideal pistol for me and the shape of my hands. The flat trigger is just right for me. Tried the shield plus and it did not feel comfortable to shoot.
I just traded up from a Ruger EC9S. The Ruger is a great gun for the money but I flinch with it and can't shoot it accurately. This gun is a whole other level.
Great review Chris. I have large hands. I own the sig p365 & the p365xl. I loved shooting the M&P shield plus. It is an excellent shooting firearm . It mitigates recoil well. One of the difference’s that sold me on the sig was the larger trigger guard. Which allowed me to shoot with gloves on. The other factor were the sig sights right out of the box. There was no extra cost as I was rhyming to stay within a budget. I also think a closer comparison would be the 365xl & the M&P shield plus. I was undecided for almost a year as to which firearm to purchase for concealed carry. Your thoughts & analysis on the sig p365xl & M&P shield plus will absolutely help someone make their decision much easier. Watching your video’s is like sitting down with a trusted friend to get their honest opinion. Carry on!!
I have both and carry both. Just had Trijicon XD R night sights installed on my Shield Plus and really like the contrast. The Sig is a bit snappier and does feel smaller in hand. Have had issues with the Shield failing to lock back on last round. Some 13 round mags are very hard to load to full capacity. Great review as always.
After being a revolver guy for 30+ years, I purchased the Shield plus. Tried the 365, but the Shield seemed to fit my hands so much better, and the recoil seemed less with the Shield.
FWIW, I've found the Shield 1.0 to be better under recoil than the P365XL, which I think is up to the grip angle. I was more consistent on the first round out of the holster with the flat trigger on the P365XL, which makes me think that I'd really like the Shield Plus.
Excellent video guys!!! Both are solid weapons with the biggest difference being in size. I don't do the appendix carry and have larger hands so the Shield Lus is my choice...also 13+1 further seals the deal. But my smaller "better half" would either go with the P365 or my original shield due to hand size...probably the Shield due to better recoil control. Your honest and completely unbiased reviews are incredibly important in helping regular folks make better informed decisions that can dramatically affect the outcomes of any situation in which they need to deploy their weapons for preservation of life and limb!!!
As some one who loved the shield and got onboard with the Plus immediately, I've always thought about how small the P365 is in my hand; double edged sword...
Bought the plus on a whim, after watching a few reviews. So glad I did. It fits, is comfortable, reliable, and if I needed it to, fit in my front pocket. Unfortunately for me, wifey loved it also. Yall already know what happened next, lolol. She got me a 19x for our anniversary, so I didn't mind letting her have it.
As you stated they are both great carry pistols. I have them both in my carry rotation along with a few others. It all depends on what I’m doing to as which one I carry…as summer approaches and dress lighter I’ll grab the 365. Great review as always. I do favor the shield in the end.
Even though I have large hands I'm really happy with the P365. It's so comfortable to carry appendix style inside the waistband and I love the night sights that it comes with. I had the original Shield and bought TruGlow TFX Pro sights and installed Apex trigger parts to get it to be acceptable. While the trigger may be better now I would still have to spend a couple hundred dollars for night sights and their installation. So that makes the Sig a better value. BTW. I'm fine with the Sig trigger and accuracy.
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I've been using the 365XL for EDC a couple years now. Can't imagine loving a carry gun anymore than this one. Great shooter, easy hide. Comfort is top shelf in both aspects. The 12 +1 and two mags at purchase helped make my decision but I truly love this gun. Had the Romeo Zero red dot on it for awhile but prefer the iron sights that are also fantastic. Thanks for the review! Cheers mate
Thank you for this video Chris I was using a cz p10 for carry and while it’s great it is not fun carrying all day , so I went to my local range and tried out the shield plus and you nailed it !! It’s awesome and will be my new carry gun , I will still carry the cz but not as much !!!
I've owned 2 P365 variants. Both green dots on the front were DIM in daylight. I also have a Hellcat with a BRIGHT yellow dot on the front. Massively brighter than the Sig. Sig said they wouldn't do anything b/c it's the same way it came from the factory. Traded both P365s for a Shield Plus with extra mags, holsters, and practice ammo.
Chris, how about hellcat pro vs 365xl? It seems like Springfield copied dimensions of the xl and fit 3 more rounds. Curious on shoot ability and point ability. Thanks man
The Shield Plus that I have had the slide lock spring pop out of its channel and was binding while I field stripped the firearm. I still haven't gotten a replacement. But it does shoot very well.
I got the original shield when it first came out and have loved it. I didn't feel the 2.0 was enough of an upgrade to purchase but got the plus whe. It came out. All the controls being the same and being able to use the holsters I already had was a huge plus. The original shield trigger never bothered me like it did most people. I had no issues being accurate with it and you don't need a match grade trigger in a gun you're go na use most likely at less than 15 feet. That said the plus trigger is very good. I like the review as always he points out the good and bad of both and doesn't get all fan boy over any 1 brand. I've shot the sig 364 and it is a good gun. Just the Smith feels better and shots better for me. People need to not get caught up in brand and find what works best for them amd then TRAIN with it
Apparently it excludes 30 super carry models. Not that I’d ever buy a gun in that new caliber, but the fact that it’s excluded means there will be a significant number of people that may have considered purchasing a Shield Plus in that caliber, that now will just get 9mm instead.
Smith is updating the triggers. They will all have the shield plus trigger and no one will buy a 2.0 style if given the choice. I will most likely buy one in 45 acp when it is available with the new trigger.
I own both of these and love them both. I like the Sig just a tad better. I love the modularity and the ability to swap grip frames. The stock sights are miles better than the Smith. I know I'm in the minority but I like the trigger better on the Sig also. I also shoot it a tad better than the Smith. I'd trust my life to either. I probably carry the Sig a bit more than the Smith but I do love both guns.
Great Stuff Outlaw !! But doesn't the 365 have the chassis that comes out and you can make it your way within the family of 365?? If so, this would be a Large Plus wouldn't it???
Perfect video to start off the weekend. I'll personally go with the Shield Plus. The Shield Plus' ergonomics fit my hands better (P365's grip is way too small from the front to back of the grip), has a better trigger, better grip texture, fits most of my original Shield's accessories, and has less felt recoil for these snappy little pistols. I do recommend spending the extra $25-50 for the Optics Ready version even if you don't plan on using a red dot because that one comes with night sights. You also don't have to remove your rear sights and severely limit your optics options with a RomeoZero if you want to cowitness. The P365 does come with better sights by default, is smaller, comes with a case, and has the removable FCU modularity going on.
@@xtreme4stringbass read what I said again. You're limited to the RomeoZero if you want to cowitness since the ones Sig sells have the rear sights built into them when you have to remove the rear sights to mount an optic on the P365x/xl. The different grip module is great but the size is still too small for me even with hogue grips. I heard the Wilson Combat grip module provides more bulk to fill out the hands better, but it doesn't really change the footprint of the grip as much lengthwise from front to back to fill out my hands more. The straight x trigger feels like it's more of a shape change since it still feels squishy to me before the trigger breaks (at least that's how it feels on the P365xl). I'd rather get an ArmoryCraft trigger and install that instead.
@@ph00ny1 I understand that but from what I can see the Wilson Combat grip module adds more size to the width of the grip than lengthwise from the front to back of it which is what I prefer instead for my larger hands. Even with the x/xl grip module that's almost the size of the Shield Plus' grip with the flush fit mag. The smaller size could be a benefit to others (more rounds in a more efficient design) but I can't really get as great of a grip purchase/full grip compared to the Shield Plus with its extended mag. That's just me though. If the P365 works for you then that's amazing.
@@JacksonWalter735 I just compared the two and WC grip module is wider and longer front to back. As for cowitnessing sights to optics, RomeoZeros aren't the only ones with rear notches and newer variants are all coming out with detached optics plate from the rear sight. If you're happy with the shields plus that's cool but just putting out the right information. Are you sure the shield plus grip with flush fit mag is same or longer than the XL/X grip? I was pretty certain it slotted right between 365 and 365XL/X in terms of grip length
Always thought there were better options than the shield when micros were primarily single stacks. Jumped on the 365 when it came out and loved it. Got the 365x grip module and swapped that out and loved it even more. Then the shield plus came out and once I held it, it was game over for the 365. Scooped up the plus and brought them both to the range and that’s all she wrote. Traded off the 365 for another .22lr range toy and now I carry the shield plus. I shoot it better and it’s more comfortable. No ragretz.
@@videogazer801 I’d say average size hands. Personally, I thought it felt better in hand, less recoil, more accurate, and was just overall more impressed. Seems to conceal just as easy too.
I bought the GX4. Not very many rounds through it (less than 1K), but so far I've had zero issues and the accuracy has a been impressive; hitting a 10 inch plate at 50 yards and a 8 inch plate at 40 yards. How do these compare to the GX4?
Great videos Chris. I wear xl gloves and carry the 365 with 12 and 14 round mags and love it. That being said I have never shot a shield. But I can hit a 12 inch plate at 75 yards with mine 4 out of 6 times with I thought was impressive. I love your reviews.
Honestly, neither of these is the wrong choice: I have the Shield, my best friend has the 365. In reality neither is a bad choice, and it’s really just down to preference on how it fits in your hand
I purchased the Shield Plus last year. First time out on the range the firearm kept jamming. Took it home and cleaned it figuring that might help. Finally got back on the range in January and the same thing is still happening. Maybe have been able to get a few rounds off. It’s at Smith & Wesson for warranty repair. Waiting to hear back from them but I guess turn around on warranty repair can be up to 8 weeks. So far not impressed with it. I also have a P365 and have never had a jam on it since I have owned it. Hopefully Smith & Wesson figures out what is wrong with mine.
Another great review! I can’t imagine a more fair assessment of the two. I’m a diehard Sig guy and will likely get a P365, but I think I’ll carry the S&W. I like to keep my full size handgun and my compact carry of the same manufacture and I favor a 5”M&P over the Sig P320.
I have a 365xl with the Romeo zero red dot and a shield plus. I like the sig more but I have been carrying the shield lately. The red dot makes the 365xl a little obnoxious to draw, but the shield plus not coming with Night sights is wack.
For a better comparison all around this should have been between the S+ and a 365X or XL......much closer in size, better trigger and both of those are standard optics ready.
Thank you for a great side by side comparison. I appreciate how you always leave political issues out of your reviews and for providing a honest, non-biased opinion. I was looking at the 365 XL with the included red dot against the Shield 9 Plus Performance Center 4" with the red dot. Based on overall size and feel, I went with the Shield. The only issue I have with the Shield is the lack of availability of additional magazines. My issue with Sig is the price they charge for their magazines. All in All, it could be worse. :) Both you and your wife are good shooters. Do you both compete in USPSA or IDPA??
I know I had issues getting magazines for the Shield Plus to begin with but recently just called S&W and was able to put in an order on the phone for more magazines
Totally agree! Too many of the former reviewers mistakenly feel they know all the answers to every issue on the planet and lecture everyone on everything, and their hypocrisy and for-profit patriotism makes me vomit. Add to that the lack of integrity and getting paid by the manufacturers and Leviathan of their "reviews" (see Mrgunsnshill and MAC) and I'm down to 6 subscriptions on TH-cam.
Sold my 365 that I carried for the longest time and picked up a Shield Plus bug out bundle for $540 altogether including shipping and transfer fee. 5 mags, night sights and optics ready. I don’t regret my decision at all
me too!
In Israel only the gun itself costs more than 1000 dollars
I’m getting the shield plus for the value pack at my local gun shop. $530 comes with interchangeable holster 1 10rd mag and 4 13rd mags with a first aid kit and zip up bag and lockable case. Can’t beat it for this bundles overall value.
That's a smokin' deal dude. How does it shoot? I'm planning on heading to the local outdoor store/shooting range provided they carry some of these newer micro compact pistols. I love the Smith but I also like the Sig since it's smaller and would hide better on my slimmer frame
I got mine for $440 in Phoenix
@@JV-tk9yn I’ve rented both pistols at my local range in the last 2 months. I’m in love with the Shield Plus. The 365 is very nice too, but the Shield Plus felt like I was shooting a much bigger pistol.
And it's also optic cut and has night sights.
@@blastedmcgraw152 Its because you were, the P365XL is the same size as the shield plus.
Chris your videos are absolutely great. Your honest opinions are why we watch.
You and the wife keep up the good work.
how can an opinion be untrue?
Really appreciate your review on the Shield Plus a few months back. I was dead set on the 365, but didn't care for the trigger or the grip. But as soon as I picked up the Plus and dry fired it, I bought it! No regrets, love the Shield Plus and carry it every day
You made the right choice, and if you had picked the P365, again, you would have made the right choice. I have them both & love them both...
@@ronolson2024 same
Same same here on the p365, didn't like the trigger or the way it felt in hand. It is a quality well made firearm though. The shield plus really shoots well for me.. esp. for a gun its size.
The Shield is one of the Few that has NEVER had any problems that I'm aware of!!!! & they are BORINGLY RELIABLE!!!
Never heard of an issue with the hellcat; it's also smaller, holds same/ more ammo, better sights, mounting system. Also, the Hellcat was the number 1 selling micro of 2020/2021. I don't find it any snappier than the 365 or the shield plus. Could just be the way it fits my hands; it's pretty subjective. I like the 365 and the plus, I just feel the hellcat is a step above both. Especially if you put the apex trigger in it.
Great vid and comparison as always Outlaw.
@@unknownunknown3025 exactly why I carry the hellcat every day. It works better for me and I shoot it better than the 365, I like the sights better. Haven’t shot the m and p plus yet, but I’m pissed at smith and Wesson because my compact .22 I bought my wife came broken. Won’t cycle 2 rounds without jamming
@Lester Parker that's unfortunate. I tend to stay away from 22 pistols because of reliability issues with them. I'll do 22 revolvers and rifles though.
@@lesterparker1594 yeah their .22's is junk!!!
@@unknownunknown3025 I was just talking about these two but as far as all small guns I wouldn't give my GLOCK 26 for all of the other ones made all together.... as stupid as that sounds
I have the shield plus performance center and it's a great little pistol.
Ever since I moved to the states I've fallen in love with these creators, you guys have taught me so much in the past couple of months! Next week I'm actually buying my first gun in the US and for many years I considered a M&P 2.0 .40 but honestly I might switch to 9mm with the P365xl
I have a p365xl and I love it. It shoots great and feels great but if you are planning on concealed carrying every day I'd say get the regular 365 or the shield or a similar gun. The Kimber R7 Mako is also a great gun as well as the Ruger Max-9 and Mossberg MC2sc or Canik Tp9 sfx, all great guns that are considered top of their class. To me the 365xl is just about big to concealed carry comfortably. I have the Ruger LCP Max 380 and I love it, it's so small it makes the 365 looks big and still has 12 rnds of 380.
Get both
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I'd stick with the m&p 40. More power yet not overbearing & typically easier to get than 9mm when ammo runs dry due to gun grabbers. Oh & you can swap a barrel out & shoot 357sig which is next level bad a$s & will outperform all 3 with ease.
My first shield was in .40 but I also bought a barrel that lets me shoot 9mm, same magazines and everything
My first 9 was a standard Performance Center Shield, ported barrel and fiber optic sights, and I love it.
I've had a Shield 1.0 for over a decade. Hell and back. Utterly reliable.
Agreed. I carried one of those for several years. Only traded it for a Performance Center Shield 9mm, and later for a SIG P365. All great in my book.
I just can’t find any reason to part with mine. The trigger is the only thing I’ve ever gripes about. The only thing I’ve considered is upgrading to the Shield Plus for a newer, carry.
I carried a gen 1 for 10 years. I upgraded to the shield plus optics ready last week. Great guns.
I still have the 🛡️ 1.0 and I really like it!!
Yeah maybe but the Sig family is way better more more reliable and everyone of there products are fantastic
Hey! I specifically asked for this vs review! Thanks for following up. I did however find both to be too small for my giant hand/frame and went with the PDP! And love it! Thanks again!
I currently own and carry a P365. And have had that as one of my main EDC for almost 4 years now. No complaints. Now, before that my EDC was a Shield Performance Center (single stack). Both great guns. Nothing wrong with choosing one of these two.
This was a great comparison. Thanks.
I love that you add a link to a charity, that in fact makes you the best on you tube,......+ your reviews are top notch
365 owner here, had mine for a while. Due to the shape, I find it to be the most concealable ccw I've ever tried. I have the standard model, and I use the flush mag as well as 12 round mags. With the 12 round mag, the grip is great and easier to handle with the 12 rounder and it's still extremely concealable. At night it gets the 15 round mag for nightstand duty. I haven't tried the Shield Plus yet, but have certainly tried the original Shield. I never got along with the grip on the Shield, it just felt awkward and I never felt comfortable with it. The 365 just melts into my palm. You seriously can't go wrong with either though, these are both fantastic. ****EDIT as today I bought an optics ready shield plus. After testing it out, I really liked it, and my current 365 does not have an optics plate. Rather than buying the 365 all over again just to get an optics slide, I decided to grab the shield for a lot less money. The Shield is getting a Holosun 407k GR mounted today. I'll be carrying it with the 13 round mag, and the p365 will be used for more deep conceal with the 10 round flush. As I said in my original statement, you can't go wrong with either.
It's true, both are great guns. I learned to conceal and draw with a shield 2.0 and about to upgrade to the optics installed shield Plus.
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Consider a PCC for your bedside. SO MANY upsides over any handgun.
Couldn’t you just get an optics cut slide for it? You wouldn’t have to buy a whole new model as I understand it
My mother actually went out and purchased a shield plus because of you! She's a huge fan.
I like that the Shield Plus has the same grip angle and contour as the M&P 9mm full-size (albeit narrower). This makes it easier to transition between the micro & full-size.
I also like that the center of the trigger falls (a bit) below where the web of the hand goes, like most S&W pistols & revolvers.
I just ordered my shield plus. I was contemplating P365 but after watching your review. I can't wait to shoot few rounds and start carrying my shield plus. Thank you again for a great side by side review.
Whenever I see a video drop I like it immediately even if I can’t watch it right away. I know whenever I see the notification good content awaits. Love the channel!
I recently picked up the 40 caliber version of the shield and it is very close to become my carry gun.
I prefer the feel of the S&W and think it has a better trigger. Just my preference and I'm not a fan boy of either maker.
Agreed I prefer hks in general but I do like the shield plus more than the vp9sk and the p365
@@shreddykrueger2408 then you would love the Walter pdp compact 4
I have 3200 rounds on my 365 with ZERO malfunctions. Love that little gun. Had the slide milled for dot and absolutely trust my life with it.
I'm 4'11', 100 lbs. with a small stature and smaller hands. I have been eying the Sig P365 for a while now. Thanks to your video, I'm finally set on getting the P365! Size-wise, it fits perfectly in my hands (actually tried handling it at a gun shop). It's easier to conceal on my small body too. :)
Solid choice. Can't go wrong with a Sig. Did you try out a Shield? My wife is 5'2 120, has small hands. She likes the grip angle of MP line and size of the shield.
@@matthewhartup941 I tried the Shield but I ended up getting the Sig P365X. I love how the grip fits in my hands😊
These vids on the S&W M&P Shield Plus pretty much sold me on that thing. Super impressed with the long range shooting on the S&W M&P Shield Plus video review you did. Solid stuff.
Just got a 4 inch performance center shield plus. I absolutely love it
I love mine too, but when I first got it, I could only load 10 or 11 rounds into the 12-rnd mag by hand. I needed a mag loader to load the last round or two because it was so tight. And with 12 rounds in the mag, the slide was a bear to rack.
@@EricT3769 yea man I can only get 12 In my 13 rounder as well. Just gotta break that spring in!
Wifey (5`2``) & I (5`11``) just bought the Shield Plus (optics ready) and we love it.
Shield plus for me. Thanks Mr. & Mrs. Outlaw for your fine work!
When I was looking to buy my first CCW, I read many reviews, watched many videos and spent many days at the range renting and test firing over 10 different popular carry pistols. It came down to both the P365 XL and the Shield Plus for the finals. On the last range trip I spent over an hour testing them both side by side shooting many rounds. While I really liked both of them, I ended up purchasing the Shield Plus for all the reasons you talk about in this video. The Shield Plus was more comfortable in my hand, it was more controllable, less snappy and I just shot better with it. I have been very happy with it for the past year.
You are by far my most favorite channel Chris ! Greatest shooter !! 💪🏽💪🏽
Nice upload. Nice seeing an upload where one is free to express their own thought a topic. Most other channels would have chosen a Glock or the Sig 365.
P365X for me personally. Being 6'4 I need that extra grip (with magguts and hogue grip). Chris you need to get you a P365XL lower and swap it out and test this again!
Same height, and started carrying a full size TP9 instead of the 365XL. 😎
@@JerryLee..
@@mig50cc far from. Your feelings hurt charlie?
He did a review of the XL two years ago.
@@krbmsw the point is he should be comparing the P365X and the Shield+.... that's essentially what you get when you put an XL grip on a standard length p365 slide.
I have learned quite a bit from your videos. I appreciate your professionalism and friendly presentations.
I love the original Shield. I still carry a gen 1 every day. I'll upgrade to the Plus sometime I suppose.
Do it now! Lol
I recently got a used Shield Plus. The gun shop staff member got a CZ P10 C. The extra mags sold me on getting it used.
I rented one that day. The trigger and grip were fantastic!
Great review. Both guns seem like a great option. The shield feels better in my hand and has had zero reliability issues after roughly 850 rounds. Both great firearms tho!
Love your channel spn!
The commercial played before your video was so out there! Agrivating!
Nice comparisons; thanks! Don't have a 365 but I love my Shield Plus. 10+1 and 13+1 mags in the box. I like the slightly larger grip and softer recoil of the Shield Plus. $50 rebate on Shields through mid-May 2022, too.
Yup. I own the P365 and carry it daily. I found a GREAT deal on a Shield Plus, optics ready, plus five-13 round mags for $510. I'm thinking I need to get it. Especially with the 50 dollar rebate right now.
I researched pistols for concealed carry and the Shield Plus was in the top 3. As soon as I picked up the Shield Plus and felt it in my hands, I knew it was THE one. I love it!
As an owner of the p365, I would go with the sig. However, I have never heard anything bad about the shield either. Either one is a good option. Another great video! Love your content.
Agreed!
@@spnfirearms As far as Chris' comments of the grip being too short for the 365 (with the 10 round mag, they do make a pinky extension.) I too wear XXL gloves. My answer to the short mag is use the 12 round. Problem solved. As far as recoil, I don't get it where guys are saying the 365 is "snappy" The first thing that impressed me about it was the recoil impulse was remarkably light and straight back. Perhaps the geometry of our hands or grips create different impressions. Those slacker sights on the SW are a deal breaker. Nonetheless, great video, balanced and fair
@@Jeff-mv4yy I agree, I bought mine with the tac pac and it came with three 12 round mags, no night sights on the shield plus standard was a deal breaker for me.
I would shoot both at a range were you can rent or borrow. You will find a wide range of difference in what you can grip well, shoot well and which you are more prone to creating shooter induced malfunctions.
Me - .45 Shield
Friend - 9mm Shield Plus
Wife - Springfield Hellcat
Twin Boys - 9mm Shield 1.0 (Apex Trigger and Stippling)
Daughter - P365
I've been carrying a Shield Plus more lately but still feel more confident with the. 45. I have big mitts and the extra grip frame length front to rear (.45) really helps but the slight extra width on the Plus does make it roomier than the standard 9mm. The P365 is extremely cramped for me and I'm not at all confident it wouldn't lead to a poor grip and user induced malfunctions under stress. Yet I can handle an LCP .380 with zero issue, go figure.
I own both and love them both dearly.... But the shield is so much easier to shoot, especially when it comes to recoil control. When out with friends and family I always let them try both and no one has ever shot the Sig better than the shield.
Just did get my shield plus came with night sights plus a rebate for three extra magazines.
My favorite gun to shoot is the M&P 9. I bought a Shield 1.0 for under $300 when they were on sale just before the 2.0 came out. I found the grip a little too thin. I put a Hogue over grip on it and it feels much better. I bet the Shield Plus would feel good out of the box.
The Shield Plus needed a Hogue grip imo too. Felt like it was trying to jump out of my hand out of the box, even despite the 13 rd mag being used.
@@someguynearseattle1985 I just bought a shield plus and like the grip. A little thicker and a lot “grippier” due to the aggressive texture. Haven’t shot it yet tho. I bought the package with the extra magazines from Bud’s. I thought it was a good deal and now it is even $100 less.
@@TxHornyToad Nice! Enjoy! Curious what you think after firing it.
Well my friend after this review I’m picking up and m&p9 shield plus tomorrow for my birthday is going to be a gift to myself
Shot the Shield Plus (brother's) and my 365XL side-by-side at the range. Both fantastic firearms that you could not go wrong with. I have a 365 on order and will change out to a flat trigger - I really like that on my XL, as well as the X-series P320 that I own. This is the golden age of handguns. So many great choices and so much new technology.
I just upgraded from a Shield to a 365XL. Me and my gf both had Shields and we both had the same issue, even though her's is a 2.0 and mine was the original. They kept false resetting. It would click like it reset but it actually didn't. There's 2 clicks that feel identical right on top of each other. You had to go to the 2nd click to actually get it to reset. I don't regret going to a 365XL at all.
I've owned both. The Sig comes with night sights and is smaller than the the Shield Plus. I prefer the shield plus it's easier to shoot, mags are slightly cheaper. Not to mention I bought the P365 when it first came out and it had some FTE and light primer strike issues
There is a shield Plus with night sights
Try the X
@@mmafanatic-tz5or I just put some on mine
I like to watch your review of the guns, you do a good job going over all the good and bad...
Very valid points. Even with my medium sized hands, I never felt quite comfortable with the P365. I trained with it quite a bit, but I never felt that I could get a good grip under stress. That’s why I got rid of it. Thank you very much for the video!
I love your channel. It's nice to see you here as well
@@JacksonWalter735 thank you!
Another great comparison review, and thanks for putting it out there. I have both and prefer the P365 for shooting and concealed carry in T shirt weather. Neither will replace my Glock 27 though for concealed carry, and it's nice to have so many choices we here in the USA.
I've been waiting on this.
I like the shield plus because it worked out of the box instead of the 1st batches of p365s. Never buy a first generation Sig lol.
1st gen Sigs are what all other companies would call beta test batches, lol.
P.s. i love your vids on the 45 super
Never buy a first generation s&w. Look what they just did with the csx 🤦♂️ idk how wither company doesn't figure this shit out before putting them on the market
@@CanikPlease you're right not to mention the 10mm that can't handle heavy loads
I have both and like both . Both guns have had no issues . I carry the shield more often but during the summer I pocket carry the p365 . If you can't decide , get both !
I only have trigger time behind the 365, but the Shield looks solid.
Guess I'll have to have both...shucks...
Every video I watch of his makes me more happy that I went with the m&p+. Got it for a steal as well @$400 w 50 rounds of target ammo and a box of horn crit def rounds.
I owned a Keltec P-11 in 1995. Polymer frame, 14oz, 10+1, 9mm. Long double action trigger. Absolutely reliable. Love the 365, but it started nothing. Change my mind.
I second that! I've rocked the kel tec mini 9's way before this wave
Still carrying the original Shield with the hinged trigger. Had it for quite a few years. No failures and mine has a good trigger (they all did not).
Finally got a holster I can live with. A Milt Sparks Summer Special II.
Same original Shield but considering the plus
I prefer the XL over the regular for the grip alone. the XL grip fits me perfectly.
I have an optics ready S&W Performance Center M&P9 Shield Plus with a 4" barrel and the Crimson Trace optics. I took the optics off until I get more range time with it. It is my preferred CC firearm and I use 124gr JHP (same as my local PD) in a 10+1 for my EDC ammo.
Great video! The only polymer gun I carry at this point is the P365...and it is a pocket gun for the times in the summer when I am in shorts and tee shirt. The rest of the time it will be a compact semi auto of revolver. I find that the savings in weight isn't enough to give up the feel of a heavier gun...the are smoother shooting and are back on target faster. The gun I choose will depend on where I am going and what I am doing.
Shield Plus for me. I had the Shield 2.0 for awhile and then purchased the Shield Plus when it came out and put night sights on it. Great shooter with little recoil for the side.
I personally feel the 365X is the ideal pistol for me and the shape of my hands. The flat trigger is just right for me. Tried the shield plus and it did not feel comfortable to shoot.
Same here the 365x fit my hand like a glove
The XL grip is next level vs the 10-rounder. The Icarus module is a notch above that (Gen 3). Would love to try the Wilson Combat as well
Run the X with a 15 rnd’er most the time. Smaller frame dude. Firm grip and balance is awesome with the15 round Mag in the X! In my opinion.
Same, I love my 365x
I just traded up from a Ruger EC9S. The Ruger is a great gun for the money but I flinch with it and can't shoot it accurately. This gun is a whole other level.
Chris, A good job and video. Your critique and discussion were excellent! Keep up the good work and enjoy! I always like a comparison video.
Your insights have helped me buy many many guns and I’ve been happy with all of my choices. Thank you and keep doing what you do!
Great review Chris. I have large hands. I own the sig p365 & the p365xl. I loved shooting the M&P shield plus. It is an excellent shooting firearm . It mitigates recoil well. One of the difference’s that sold me on the sig was the larger trigger guard. Which allowed me to shoot with gloves on. The other factor were the sig sights right out of the box. There was no extra cost as I was rhyming to stay within a budget. I also think a closer comparison would be the 365xl & the M&P shield plus. I was undecided for almost a year as to which firearm to purchase for concealed carry. Your thoughts & analysis on the sig p365xl & M&P shield plus will absolutely help someone make their decision much easier.
Watching your video’s is like sitting down with a trusted friend to get their honest opinion. Carry on!!
I have both and carry both. Just had Trijicon XD R night sights installed on my Shield Plus and really like the contrast. The Sig is a bit snappier and does feel smaller in hand. Have had issues with the Shield failing to lock back on last round. Some 13 round mags are very hard to load to full capacity. Great review as always.
Does the lack of rail on the plus bother you much? I know you can still get a light but they are like 100 lumens I saw.
Thanks!
After being a revolver guy for 30+ years, I purchased the Shield plus. Tried the 365, but the Shield seemed to fit my hands so much better, and the recoil seemed less with the Shield.
FWIW, I've found the Shield 1.0 to be better under recoil than the P365XL, which I think is up to the grip angle. I was more consistent on the first round out of the holster with the flat trigger on the P365XL, which makes me think that I'd really like the Shield Plus.
Never been a revolver guy but am deciding between the Smith and Wesson 327 or Chiappa Rhino.
Any suggestions?
Excellent video guys!!! Both are solid weapons with the biggest difference being in size. I don't do the appendix carry and have larger hands so the Shield Lus is my choice...also 13+1 further seals the deal. But my smaller "better half" would either go with the P365 or my original shield due to hand size...probably the Shield due to better recoil control. Your honest and completely unbiased reviews are incredibly important in helping regular folks make better informed decisions that can dramatically affect the outcomes of any situation in which they need to deploy their weapons for preservation of life and limb!!!
As some one who loved the shield and got onboard with the Plus immediately, I've always thought about how small the P365 is in my hand; double edged sword...
Bought the plus on a whim, after watching a few reviews. So glad I did. It fits, is comfortable, reliable, and if I needed it to, fit in my front pocket. Unfortunately for me, wifey loved it also. Yall already know what happened next, lolol. She got me a 19x for our anniversary, so I didn't mind letting her have it.
I got my shield plus with night sights and optics ready for only 419 out the door. 5000 rounds through it no issues at all.
That's a good deal ..I've been looking everywhere for them lately and the cheapest with night sights across the board is 450
My local range does have them both to rent and try but I agree my hands are a bit big and for me the m&p also fits well
My Hogue 'Hand All" grip from my Ruger LC9S popped in my head when you said "thin" grip for the Sig...
Fit GREAT on my 365X!!!
As you stated they are both great carry pistols. I have them both in my carry rotation along with a few others. It all depends on what I’m doing to as which one I carry…as summer approaches and dress lighter I’ll grab the 365. Great review as always. I do favor the shield in the end.
Other than conceal ability factors, what would you say is your biggest reason for being able to shoot better with the Shield Plus than p365?
Even though I have large hands I'm really happy with the P365. It's so comfortable to carry appendix style inside the waistband and I love the night sights that it comes with. I had the original Shield and bought TruGlow TFX Pro sights and installed Apex trigger parts to get it to be acceptable. While the trigger may be better now I would still have to spend a couple hundred dollars for night sights and their installation. So that makes the Sig a better value. BTW. I'm fine with the Sig trigger and accuracy.
Bro started checking out your videos bout a yr 1/2 ago or so . Just wanted to tell u Really Appreciate them & Your Knowledge & Honest Opinions your videos r pretty mush always on POINT ,👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾
I've been using the 365XL for EDC a couple years now. Can't imagine loving a carry gun anymore than this one. Great shooter, easy hide. Comfort is top shelf in both aspects. The 12 +1 and two mags at purchase helped make my decision but I truly love this gun. Had the Romeo Zero red dot on it for awhile but prefer the iron sights that are also fantastic. Thanks for the review! Cheers mate
I’ve been looking to replace with my Glock 48 with the 365xl
Thank you for this video Chris I was using a cz p10 for carry and while it’s great it is not fun carrying all day , so I went to my local range and tried out the shield plus and you nailed it !! It’s awesome and will be my new carry gun , I will still carry the cz but not as much !!!
I bought Shield Plus based on your videos and love it as my EDC
THANK YOU
I've owned 2 P365 variants. Both green dots on the front were DIM in daylight. I also have a Hellcat with a BRIGHT yellow dot on the front. Massively brighter than the Sig. Sig said they wouldn't do anything b/c it's the same way it came from the factory. Traded both P365s for a Shield Plus with extra mags, holsters, and practice ammo.
Chris, how about hellcat pro vs 365xl? It seems like Springfield copied dimensions of the xl and fit 3 more rounds. Curious on shoot ability and point ability. Thanks man
The Shield Plus that I have had the slide lock spring pop out of its channel and was binding while I field stripped the firearm. I still haven't gotten a replacement. But it does shoot very well.
I got the original shield when it first came out and have loved it. I didn't feel the 2.0 was enough of an upgrade to purchase but got the plus whe. It came out. All the controls being the same and being able to use the holsters I already had was a huge plus. The original shield trigger never bothered me like it did most people. I had no issues being accurate with it and you don't need a match grade trigger in a gun you're go na use most likely at less than 15 feet. That said the plus trigger is very good.
I like the review as always he points out the good and bad of both and doesn't get all fan boy over any 1 brand. I've shot the sig 364 and it is a good gun. Just the Smith feels better and shots better for me. People need to not get caught up in brand and find what works best for them amd then TRAIN with it
Good review. Your points in one's stature is helpful on people making a decision o. What to buy. Thx for the detailed reason why.
S&W is having a $50 rebate on all shield models, the Shield Plus is being sold for $370 on some websites.
@@Wags1477 I just received the newsletter from S&W telling me about the rebate. That sounds real good for the performance center module.
Link?
Apparently it excludes 30 super carry models.
Not that I’d ever buy a gun in that new caliber, but the fact that it’s excluded means there will be a significant number of people that may have considered purchasing a Shield Plus in that caliber, that now will just get 9mm instead.
Damn I paid 650 for my performance center model at my local gun shop. I definitely need to find somewhere online to buy guns
Smith is updating the triggers. They will all have the shield plus trigger and no one will buy a 2.0 style if given the choice. I will most likely buy one in 45 acp when it is available with the new trigger.
Have them both and can’t decide which one I like more
I own both of these and love them both. I like the Sig just a tad better. I love the modularity and the ability to swap grip frames. The stock sights are miles better than the Smith. I know I'm in the minority but I like the trigger better on the Sig also. I also shoot it a tad better than the Smith. I'd trust my life to either. I probably carry the Sig a bit more than the Smith but I do love both guns.
Have you had any malfunctions with your 365?
Just sold my gen 1 shield to buy the shield plus. Had the gen 1 since 2014 daily carry. Rarely cleaned..never malfunctioned.
Great Stuff Outlaw !! But doesn't the 365 have the chassis that comes out and you can make it your way within the family of 365?? If so, this would be a Large Plus wouldn't it???
great video, I went with the 4" shield plus performance center OR
Perfect video to start off the weekend. I'll personally go with the Shield Plus. The Shield Plus' ergonomics fit my hands better (P365's grip is way too small from the front to back of the grip), has a better trigger, better grip texture, fits most of my original Shield's accessories, and has less felt recoil for these snappy little pistols. I do recommend spending the extra $25-50 for the Optics Ready version even if you don't plan on using a red dot because that one comes with night sights. You also don't have to remove your rear sights and severely limit your optics options with a RomeoZero if you want to cowitness.
The P365 does come with better sights by default, is smaller, comes with a case, and has the removable FCU modularity going on.
Wilson Combat grip module will fix the gripe with the grip. Also takes a minute to swap the grip module to longer XL/X grip module
@@xtreme4stringbass read what I said again. You're limited to the RomeoZero if you want to cowitness since the ones Sig sells have the rear sights built into them when you have to remove the rear sights to mount an optic on the P365x/xl. The different grip module is great but the size is still too small for me even with hogue grips. I heard the Wilson Combat grip module provides more bulk to fill out the hands better, but it doesn't really change the footprint of the grip as much lengthwise from front to back to fill out my hands more. The straight x trigger feels like it's more of a shape change since it still feels squishy to me before the trigger breaks (at least that's how it feels on the P365xl). I'd rather get an ArmoryCraft trigger and install that instead.
@@ph00ny1 I understand that but from what I can see the Wilson Combat grip module adds more size to the width of the grip than lengthwise from the front to back of it which is what I prefer instead for my larger hands. Even with the x/xl grip module that's almost the size of the Shield Plus' grip with the flush fit mag. The smaller size could be a benefit to others (more rounds in a more efficient design) but I can't really get as great of a grip purchase/full grip compared to the Shield Plus with its extended mag. That's just me though. If the P365 works for you then that's amazing.
@@JacksonWalter735 I just compared the two and WC grip module is wider and longer front to back. As for cowitnessing sights to optics, RomeoZeros aren't the only ones with rear notches and newer variants are all coming out with detached optics plate from the rear sight. If you're happy with the shields plus that's cool but just putting out the right information. Are you sure the shield plus grip with flush fit mag is same or longer than the XL/X grip? I was pretty certain it slotted right between 365 and 365XL/X in terms of grip length
@@xtreme4stringbass EPS carry will also cowitness once it gets released
Thanks for the great videos. Really considering the Shield plus. Reliability is the key factor for me.
Always thought there were better options than the shield when micros were primarily single stacks. Jumped on the 365 when it came out and loved it. Got the 365x grip module and swapped that out and loved it even more. Then the shield plus came out and once I held it, it was game over for the 365. Scooped up the plus and brought them both to the range and that’s all she wrote. Traded off the 365 for another .22lr range toy and now I carry the shield plus. I shoot it better and it’s more comfortable. No ragretz.
Do you have large sized hands? Is that why it helps with the Shield Plus over the p365?
@@videogazer801 I’d say average size hands. Personally, I thought it felt better in hand, less recoil, more accurate, and was just overall more impressed. Seems to conceal just as easy too.
Best handgun review channel on the net...thx man
I bought the GX4. Not very many rounds through it (less than 1K), but so far I've had zero issues and the accuracy has a been impressive; hitting a 10 inch plate at 50 yards and a 8 inch plate at 40 yards. How do these compare to the GX4?
I checked a gx4 out at the store and was pretty impressed. If it had another manufacturers name on the gun I bet they sales would double or triple.
@@mattr918 Exactly. People still believe Taurus is garbage, yet those some people conveniently forget Glocks use to explode. SMH
Great videos Chris. I wear xl gloves and carry the 365 with 12 and 14 round mags and love it. That being said I have never shot a shield. But I can hit a 12 inch plate at 75 yards with mine 4 out of 6 times with I thought was impressive. I love your reviews.
Honestly, neither of these is the wrong choice: I have the Shield, my best friend has the 365.
In reality neither is a bad choice, and it’s really just down to preference on how it fits in your hand
I purchased the Shield Plus last year. First time out on the range the firearm kept jamming. Took it home and cleaned it figuring that might help. Finally got back on the range in January and the same thing is still happening. Maybe have been able to get a few rounds off. It’s at Smith & Wesson for warranty repair. Waiting to hear back from them but I guess turn around on warranty repair can be up to 8 weeks. So far not impressed with it. I also have a P365 and have never had a jam on it since I have owned it. Hopefully Smith & Wesson figures out what is wrong with mine.
Another great review! I can’t imagine a more fair assessment of the two.
I’m a diehard Sig guy and will likely get a P365, but I think I’ll carry the S&W.
I like to keep my full size handgun and my compact carry of the same manufacture and I favor a 5”M&P over the Sig P320.
I have a 365xl with the Romeo zero red dot and a shield plus. I like the sig more but I have been carrying the shield lately. The red dot makes the 365xl a little obnoxious to draw, but the shield plus not coming with Night sights is wack.
I still carry my standard M&P shield .40c as my EDC. I love it so much.
For a better comparison all around this should have been between the S+ and a 365X or XL......much closer in size, better trigger and both of those are standard optics ready.
The trigger in the standard P365 and the XL is different?
@@RhinoViper yes
Agreed.
@@larryborn1082 Good to know. Thanks
@@RhinoViper Just the trigger shoe is flat on the XL. Otherwise the same.
I may be one of the few but I had major issues with the S&W shield plus. Failure to feed issues galore. I had to send it in.
Thank you for a great side by side comparison. I appreciate how you always leave political issues out of your reviews and for providing a honest, non-biased opinion. I was looking at the 365 XL with the included red dot against the Shield 9 Plus Performance Center 4" with the red dot. Based on overall size and feel, I went with the Shield. The only issue I have with the Shield is the lack of availability of additional magazines. My issue with Sig is the price they charge for their magazines. All in All, it could be worse. :) Both you and your wife are good shooters. Do you both compete in USPSA or IDPA??
Damn. I just commented how S&W should come out with a longer barrel Shield Plus. I'll have to go look at the Performance Center 4" version. Thanks.
I know I had issues getting magazines for the Shield Plus to begin with but recently just called S&W and was able to put in an order on the phone for more magazines
Totally agree! Too many of the former reviewers mistakenly feel they know all the answers to every issue on the planet and lecture everyone on everything, and their hypocrisy and for-profit patriotism makes me vomit. Add to that the lack of integrity and getting paid by the manufacturers and Leviathan of their "reviews" (see Mrgunsnshill and MAC) and I'm down to 6 subscriptions on TH-cam.
@@DA-rm5bh I've unsubscribed from many of those guys when their reviews turned into commercials.
Democrats always hate hearing about politics when it effects REALITY. Y'all just keep voting like idiots. 🤣
I have the p365 and love it but I may be looking to add the Shield to my collection as well .