Why do logarithmic functions have absolute value signs after integration?

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2025

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  • @pranjalverma3501
    @pranjalverma3501 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Thank you very much for the great piece of explaination.This is often neglected in most of the textbooks .

  • @fikryizzudin9188
    @fikryizzudin9188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I didn't search this video. This video came to me. And I am glad because it helped me understand one of the most thing that is often omitted or neglected.

  • @coolclips101
    @coolclips101 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I was wondering about this for a while and I could never get a straight answer. Thanks for the great explanation

  • @kingofgoldnessr9364
    @kingofgoldnessr9364 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:01 i like when he says "both" his hands are moving in the ln|x| shape

  • @code_explorations
    @code_explorations 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's a great explanation of an interesting bit of maths I hadn't properly considered before. Thanks!

  • @sixtysixx3933
    @sixtysixx3933 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Took me awhile to understand the reason of putting the minus in front of x. That is because log or ln cant take negative numbers, the only way to take negative numbers is do a double negative. Thx you are actually a unique and fancy teacher compared to Khan, all all other teachers online.

  • @angelmendez-rivera351
    @angelmendez-rivera351 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The reason you should write ln|x| is because the derivative of ln|x| is indeed 1/x, and this is defined for all nonzero real x.
    However, I should also mentioned that the full antiderivative of 1/x REALLY is ln|x| + Csgn(x) + D. This is due to the nonremovable discontinuity at x = 0. Technically, what should have been written in the board, ln(x) + C1 if x > 0, and ln(-x) + C2 if x < 0, and not necessarily assume C1 = C2.

    • @mskiptr
      @mskiptr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Afaik, that +C often stands for all possible constants and the antiderivative is then actually _the whole class of functions_ differing by some value.

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mskiptr But this does not address my argument. For the function 1/x specifically, the class of antiderivatives is not the class of functions differing by some value, but rather, the class of functions different by some step function. If I have the step function f(x) = 1 for x > 0, f(x) = -2 for x < 0, then whenever x is defined, f'(x) = 0, so if I define g(x) = ln(|x|) + f(x), then g'(x) = 1/x + f'(x) = 1/x. f is not a constant, but as I just showed you, g still has derivative 1/x.

    • @mskiptr
      @mskiptr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 ah, ok. You're right. I overly focused on the case with two separate functions

  • @mohfa1806
    @mohfa1806 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    brilliant...thank you very much for your great videos...i salute you

  • @hadrian08
    @hadrian08 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's wonderful when student behaviour is on point and teachers get to TEACH

  • @andreasamuel6460
    @andreasamuel6460 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are amazing Sir👍

  • @derontanzil6939
    @derontanzil6939 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i always thought that its cause 1/x dx can have many different solutions
    for example, d/dx(ln(100x)) is just 1/x
    hence, 1/x dx can be ln(ax) where a>0

  • @JamesBrodski
    @JamesBrodski 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much. This is great!

  • @calyodelphi124
    @calyodelphi124 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well, technically it kind of *is* possible to take the log of a negative number, but it's not necessarily a trivial answer and comes with its own domain restrictions. blackpenredpen demonstrates a proof by one of his subscribers here: th-cam.com/video/k2x7k1WPwXE/w-d-xo.html
    ln(-x) = ln(x) + iπ(2k+1) ∀ k ∈ Z
    The log of a negative number just isn't a simple *real* number. It's a complex number. (Which I kinda personally love but hey that's just me.)

    • @carultch
      @carultch ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And to connect this with the integral of 1/x:
      The arbitrary constant of integration can be different, on both sides of the asymptote of 1/x, since you cannot integrate across a vertical asymptote, unless the improper integral converges. This means, we get to select an arbitrary constant that nullifies the imaginary part of the complex log. Simply let c = C - i*π*(2*k+1), when x is negative, and let c = C - 2*k*i*π, when x is positive.
      This allows the integral of 1/x, to be ln(|x|) + C.

  • @ChauNguyen-wd6fm
    @ChauNguyen-wd6fm ปีที่แล้ว

    great explanation! thank you

  • @rostyloco1
    @rostyloco1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    great point of view.

  • @syedsanaullah4720
    @syedsanaullah4720 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Superb sir

  • @James-wz1xr
    @James-wz1xr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it possible to understand this if you dont know calculus?

    • @fikryizzudin9188
      @fikryizzudin9188 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Should be. Imo he used a very simple example for the explanation

  • @meherabhosen9324
    @meherabhosen9324 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much.

  • @abdulaseri3573
    @abdulaseri3573 ปีที่แล้ว

    you are the goat

  • @Jobic-10
    @Jobic-10 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Eddie

  • @mcrow312166
    @mcrow312166 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @cobysandholtz4476
    @cobysandholtz4476 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    fantastic

  • @szymonmarkiewicz3211
    @szymonmarkiewicz3211 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    awesome

  • @easirarafat03
    @easirarafat03 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome

  • @pucelanoencelo
    @pucelanoencelo ปีที่แล้ว

    grandee chinorris

  • @electrovortex7178
    @electrovortex7178 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    W mans