Hogger - Villains Corner (WoW Lore)

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  • @noahbodyknows
    @noahbodyknows 6 ปีที่แล้ว +635

    Finally, the arch-villain of Warcraft gets a spotlight.

    • @EvlEgle
      @EvlEgle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hogger pve threat number 1 2004- Dec 2010

  • @axelbourne1641
    @axelbourne1641 6 ปีที่แล้ว +387

    Why you have to make gnolls look so cute in here

    • @leaffen9616
      @leaffen9616 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Eiyne Fox Why not.

    • @Intrspace
      @Intrspace 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Because they are cute

    • @Antonio-gg4vv
      @Antonio-gg4vv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Eiyne Fox gnolls have always been cute

    • @AFnord
      @AFnord 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Now I feel guilty about all the cute gnolls I've killed :(

    • @HexManiac-nf1yg
      @HexManiac-nf1yg 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Omg I want your pfp. So cute! And yea he did make them kinda cute

  • @sharlockshacolmes9381
    @sharlockshacolmes9381 6 ปีที่แล้ว +218

    Spoiler for BFA: Hogger is in fact the physical incarnation of the Voidlords and will be the last boss of the expansion. Otherwise great vid man

    • @skarbeta
      @skarbeta 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Actual spoilerz: Hogger's head can be found in the stockades when horde go in for the stormwind rescue mission.

    • @subsandwichwithmayo469
      @subsandwichwithmayo469 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      buliuol hjg
      Everyone knows that in HS

    • @EvlEgle
      @EvlEgle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spoiler for Shadlow Lands you mean?

    • @timothybaker4091
      @timothybaker4091 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      2.5 years after leaving WoW and I finally read something that makes me think about going back in.
      Too bad you aren’t head dev.

  • @roosetislafbtrouzek5718
    @roosetislafbtrouzek5718 6 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    I like how you´re not ´´cornering´´ just more iconic villains and try something different!

    • @Quazymoodo
      @Quazymoodo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's also April Fool's Day.
      ...and Easter. Hogger would look good in bunny ears.

    • @Gunplabro
      @Gunplabro 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hogger was a great villain

    • @marlinazul7786
      @marlinazul7786 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the most iconic villain, Arthas is second

  • @NicoleShrinks
    @NicoleShrinks 6 ปีที่แล้ว +731

    There must always be a Gnoll King

  • @Itama22
    @Itama22 6 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    Remember the famous Hogger Raids during Server Shutdowns :D

  • @TheDrexxus
    @TheDrexxus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Hogger was, if memory serves, the first elite mob a new human player would ever encounter. People were not expecting him to be as strong as he was, plus he called for gnoll backup to help him fight and the area he was in had pretty fast respawning groups of gnolls and some roamed around. All of these elements were dangerous, but splicing them all together in a scenario where players had typically felt safe and comfortable soloing all their quests without help, and you have a recipe for death and dismay.
    Also, with servers frequently crashing or going down during vanilla, and players being unable to just stop playing, they would make new level 1 characters on other servers just to waste time until they could play on their home server again. When a bunch of level 1 humans spawned in large numbers in Northshire, they would roam around aimlessly killing things out of boredom, and it started to become a way to pass the time to test themselves against tougher and tougher enemies that they could kill in large numbers despite being level 1. Hogger became the measuring stick for these level 1 raids and would be swarmed by groups of level 1 players as if it were a raid encounter. All of this became pretty traditional for a lot of folks and further spread stories of Hogger and firmly cemented him as a historical figure.

  • @FrenchDavid50
    @FrenchDavid50 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    In an alternate universe, Hogger actually united the gnolls and caused the Second Gnoll War which weakened the Alliance enough that the Burning Legion was able to steamroll through Azeroth.

    • @Poppzrox
      @Poppzrox 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You joke, but that's actually a real possibility,,

    • @beastmaster0934
      @beastmaster0934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I wouldn’t be surprised if that is an actual alternate reality in the Warcraft universe

    • @legiohysterius4624
      @legiohysterius4624 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Pardon me i think you mean hogger steamrolled the legion

    • @WarioWareCEO
      @WarioWareCEO 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@legiohysterius4624 ok. That was funny

    • @legiohysterius4624
      @legiohysterius4624 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WarioWareCEO thanks as long as someone enjoyed it. Mission successful.

  • @BladedAngel
    @BladedAngel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    5:14 Deaths from hogger: None
    Alright, you didn't have to flex 😂

  • @akumawest9021
    @akumawest9021 6 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    idk how you can make gnolls cute, but good job

  • @Hurtydwarf
    @Hurtydwarf 6 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    I miss when hogger was actually a threat, when you needed a group to kill him unless you were a hunter. Now anyone can just walk up and kill him while 3 levels under him. Mobs are too easy to fight now.

    • @MultiMelodia
      @MultiMelodia 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hurtydwarf you could kill him relatively easily with other classes too. Locks, pallies and druids worked just as well.

    • @timothybaker4091
      @timothybaker4091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Removing “crushing blow” delivered a crushing blow to Blizzard.

    • @Xtoff
      @Xtoff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember killing him with Power Word: Pain, running in circles, and my butthole clinched

    • @ventu7907
      @ventu7907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hogger was decently hard to solo in cata, but eventually the low lvl power creep got to him

  • @dr.badtimes3660
    @dr.badtimes3660 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Legend says that Chuck Norris and Segata Sanshiro kneel to Hogger.

  • @raptormage2209
    @raptormage2209 6 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    hogger is the biggest danger to azeroth , i mean it took the might of a thousand level 5 players to kill the beast

  • @thenerdbeast7375
    @thenerdbeast7375 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really liked this video! I know it was an April Fool's joke but it was neat to learn about a smaller, more often overlooked villain than the big overwhelming monstrosities like some of your other videos. Doing some more small time villain videos like maybe about the Centaurs or the Defias Brotherhood might be really cool!

  • @lillak8405
    @lillak8405 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love the drawings a lot, you made even Hogger look cute lol.

  • @Lystrous
    @Lystrous 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I know this was meant as an April fools video, but jokes on you I actually enjoyed it!

  • @kaporalhart
    @kaporalhart 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks Rachel ! Please make more of these. they make me real happy inside.

  • @demonbaby690
    @demonbaby690 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Rachel, loving the animations, good work and keep it up!!

  • @olegsmal27
    @olegsmal27 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    BY THE WAY, Hogger is not dead, when you are doing a horde BfA intro (the stockades part), you can find a female human prisoner in Hogger’s room and a costume of Hogger. And when you interact with her she says like: “Aha, Hogger’s not dead - this is just a costume”.

  • @Attillee
    @Attillee 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder at this point how many hogger videos we got on youtube atm

  • @thenerdbeast7375
    @thenerdbeast7375 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This video makes me wish Gnolls were playable. Hey if Void Elves are a thing, then anything is possible!

  • @thorbjrnchristensen4466
    @thorbjrnchristensen4466 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I totally love the drawings :3 Gnolls looks so cool and cute at the same time at least from these pictures :3

  • @aleclothar3715
    @aleclothar3715 6 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    "Traps r'gay", huh? Well it's April's Fools, so we all know what's happening

  • @FAHQU2
    @FAHQU2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This series is honestly fantastic, coming from someone who loves the game but cannot keep up with the massive amount of lore thrown at you.

  • @cytoid7062
    @cytoid7062 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Lol, makes me want to play a Gnoll. I will be the next Gnoll King!

    • @Makingthebullet
      @Makingthebullet 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They'd be an amazing Allied Race.

    • @bryceyhamel8281
      @bryceyhamel8281 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have bigger teeth I should be leader

    • @TheMisfitTestSubject
      @TheMisfitTestSubject 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nuh uh! I have the best rock, _I_ should be the leader!

    • @TalosAcephalos
      @TalosAcephalos 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheMisfitTestSubject no way! my shadow is bigger

    • @beastmaster0934
      @beastmaster0934 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Heitor Peres Gerspacher Lara
      No Way, My fur is darker, therefore, I shall be king!

  • @Max-me9xq
    @Max-me9xq 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hogger is compare to Marvel's one above all. I've seen him take down 40 level 1's and Superman while he was doing his taxes.

  • @jaquestrap
    @jaquestrap 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "If he had managed to eckscape"

  • @SirBeefie
    @SirBeefie 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hogger was basically Vanilla WoW's Fippy Darkpaw (gnoll in newbie area for Qeynos humans in EverQuest)

  • @sidthesciencekid482
    @sidthesciencekid482 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Wow hiru posted a video with high quality drawings. There is a first time for everything folks.

  • @thepepchannel7940
    @thepepchannel7940 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, Hiru. Instead of doing the standard villains like everyone has, you chose a much more trivial, but perhaps much more relatable and memorable foe.
    Hogger is probably the most iconic of all mobs in Elwynn and likely one of the first, if not the first elites you'd encounter as a human player.
    Those drawings really do really lift the video to a higher level. Instead of the in-game or stock footage, this adds a personal and unique touch. Love this series and your channel!

  • @Fizzlefuse
    @Fizzlefuse 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With WoW Classic, Hogger makes a glorious return as the bane of many newbs. Long may he reign!

  • @RupertBukowski
    @RupertBukowski 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Maybe one day we can be gnolls as a playable race, and the stockades could be retconned and used as the starting quest for the gnolls, and Hogger becomes the gnoll leader. :P

    • @TheHobgoblyn
      @TheHobgoblyn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think the Gnolls should be made a playable race (at least in part because they would be the best alternate race to turn the Worgen model into). But I don't think it is necessary to retcon the stockades to make Hogger one of the race's main characters-- afterall, "There must always be a Hogger" so... whichever one is calling itself Hogger now would be one of the racial heroes.

  • @Lolipop3zz
    @Lolipop3zz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Lfg> Hogger 40 man, 3.3k GS, ele shaman

  • @Kaladiel
    @Kaladiel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "An organised force of these morons" kinda souds like my guild haha

  • @eliasrispling2945
    @eliasrispling2945 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loving the art in these vids man, awesome!

  • @Chase4478
    @Chase4478 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even though this art style is simple it looks so nice :D

  • @zandrxi4999
    @zandrxi4999 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The 40 man lvl 1 raids on Hogger where a great time if you had a group of bored players and you could get a escort to him.

    • @yaymidget
      @yaymidget 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes!! I was waiting for someone to mention these!

  • @marcusclemons5495
    @marcusclemons5495 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    That gnoll in the corner being all happy and shit is so funny xD. Good job Rachael as always!

  • @delsin1126
    @delsin1126 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    People know about Hogger...but DO THEY KNOW ABOUT HOGGER?

  • @VulpesChama
    @VulpesChama 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love Gnolls. I want them playable.

  • @sator6754
    @sator6754 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    They were *knollonger* a problem *knollmore*

  • @Nyloxmc
    @Nyloxmc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sons of arugal are the physical form of dread and fear if you leveled an undead back in the day

  • @scotty562
    @scotty562 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the art style.

  • @patrickwilkerson1728
    @patrickwilkerson1728 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also remember that the Dark Moon Fair has the Wack a Gnoll game with Hogger

  • @multiestonian
    @multiestonian 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting video. Good series

  • @kinchomega
    @kinchomega 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Hey! I would have been mad too if someone took my rock #relatable

    • @supercoco623
      @supercoco623 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      crackheads everywhere

  • @vexsilencer6805
    @vexsilencer6805 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive seen nearly every lore video on nearly every villain yet this is one i actually learned something in, the gnoll wars in fact. Also i would love to see an undead hogger or something with the bronze drakes and letting us go back in time to fight hogger, or something with the druids and the nightmare reliving their experiences with hogger or other small but infamous villains.

    • @mdb45424
      @mdb45424 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can almost picture a Death Knight Hogger :) it would be epic

  • @FunkyYoyo420
    @FunkyYoyo420 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    screw illidan or arthas, i want an damn gnoll expac. A very smart strong Gnoll who takes revenge for hogger.

  • @zyon2901
    @zyon2901 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn’t know all these facts. Thanks hiru and Rachel!

  • @ichhabdochkeeahnung
    @ichhabdochkeeahnung 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Rip Hogger BibleThump you will be missed

  • @fabianfischer4229
    @fabianfischer4229 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video! Please do one on Mor'Ladim aka Morgan Ladimore next. I find his story quite tragic.

  • @spamuel98
    @spamuel98 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The gnolls in this video look so cute and fluffy!

  • @wilcohillebrand1458
    @wilcohillebrand1458 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yay! Informative and intriguing

  • @kstelakis
    @kstelakis 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The series helped me focus and not lose my sanity while in the maze for the lucid nightmare mount

  • @nacht_kaperschiff2670
    @nacht_kaperschiff2670 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't wait until WOW Classic comes out I will be organizing 40 man Hogger groups just for S&G

  • @Sindragozer
    @Sindragozer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video hiru!

  • @aaronblyth345
    @aaronblyth345 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the drawings

  • @VanAlexi
    @VanAlexi 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Yes our Lord and Savior Hogger!!

  • @vagri2829
    @vagri2829 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know this is supposed to be a joke, but I really enjoyed this episode, since this villain is much more insignificant character than all the others. You should do more of these!

  • @D00M3R-SK8
    @D00M3R-SK8 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Knew this had to be an April first vid :D he has had 2 Hearthstone cards made now, Hogger is a legend.

  • @OddMobileWatcher
    @OddMobileWatcher 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This makes me wish I could play as a Gnoll now.

  • @R3Z3R3CT10N
    @R3Z3R3CT10N 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can also make dungeon/dungeon bosses lore video or something like that. Because this is nicely done.

  • @baronvonwolfin4215
    @baronvonwolfin4215 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hogger is my spirit animal

  • @Myuutsuu85
    @Myuutsuu85 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those are some adorable artworks.

  • @Glorfand244
    @Glorfand244 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wasn't there a blizzcon or BWWI of something around wotlk that they had Hogger risen as a deathknight for a special raid at the event

  • @patrickwilkerson1728
    @patrickwilkerson1728 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hogger also became a part of the Darkmoon Fair with the Wack-o-Gnoll game

  • @Jabarri74
    @Jabarri74 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think a lot of horde guilds in Vanilla if their server was down used to roll a level 1 alliance on a random realm and raid hogger as level 1s. Some of the most memorable and funny evenings ever if you ask me

  • @ValensBellator
    @ValensBellator 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We used to all roll ally alts on another server and do “hogger raids” from time to time. You were supposed to try to get there while still lvl 1 or 2 and then the goal was just to overwhelm him with numbers lol

  • @illDiology
    @illDiology 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pogger! I get this guy from Conjurer's Calling and Power of Creation.

  • @scratoriousentertainment8515
    @scratoriousentertainment8515 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Must admit Hogger in this video looks cute :3

  • @rubenpavao
    @rubenpavao 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this drawings are also amazing. :)

  • @Astryca
    @Astryca 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And in BFA when we try to rescue Saurfang, we find out that Hogger was just a costume :)

    • @TalosAcephalos
      @TalosAcephalos 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I... dude. That just might be his actual head... unless im being wooshed rn

  • @michaelguyaux3967
    @michaelguyaux3967 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also need to note in bfa that durning the horde chain where they infiltrate Stormwind and go into stockades to free the Zul Trolls there is a Hogger costume laying next to a woman in a cage where she tells you that he made her wear it.

  • @squillamsquallace2468
    @squillamsquallace2468 6 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    "101 reasons vanilla wow was the best expac"

    • @12P14D22C
      @12P14D22C 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      100000000000000000000000001 reasons vanilla wow was the best expac ;)

    • @Robertosungureanu
      @Robertosungureanu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Vanila wow was not an expac

    • @WikiHL
      @WikiHL 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And it wasn't the best either

    • @12P14D22C
      @12P14D22C 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats debatable, for me, it is, by far.

    • @squillamsquallace2468
      @squillamsquallace2468 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chritzical plays I've been playing since Vanilla. I like Wotlk and Legion the best.

  • @Tangies
    @Tangies 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite character

  • @dreamermagister8561
    @dreamermagister8561 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh noes! Hogger lore has been changed this videos needs to be renewed!

  • @jasonames145
    @jasonames145 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He didn't see Hogger ransack the number one raiding guild on the planet in 2009. Ignore Hogger at your peril!

  • @naquan59
    @naquan59 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn Rachel so good of artist she makes gnolls look cooler/cuter then worgens.

  • @Polomance862
    @Polomance862 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hogger's Lore is his notoriety of being the Terror of Elwynn. He wasn't a deadly target, but he was the introductory stage to cooperative efforts. Hogger did not forgive people who tried tackling him alone. And it was also a good way to introduce the threat that Elites were supposed to be. When you saw that Golden Dragon Ring; you knew you had a challenge on your hands. Much like how the Sons of Arugal were in Silverpine Forest.
    His legacy lived as the first elite people fought against; and likely first time they had to get a group together to take him down. (Or the first quest they've had to skip out of pure frustration of said difficulty spike)

  • @eisgnom7383
    @eisgnom7383 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:48 the gnoll wars sound suspiciosly similar to the emu wars

  • @thefacestealer8674
    @thefacestealer8674 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In wow I have the most trouble with gnolls as a low level

  • @finnishfatman
    @finnishfatman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So Garfang is WoWs version of Ghazghkull Thraka from WH40k :P Unite dumb orcs, I mean gnolls, under one banner. Respect the green tide... I mean, furry tide!

  • @paranoidrodent
    @paranoidrodent 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just for laughs, during Vanilla my guild would organize raids of freshly minted characters against Hogger. The rule was that you created a new Human, Gnome or Dwarf (too much travel involved for Night Elves in Vanilla) and immediately traveled to the meeting spot just near Hogger's position. Dwarves and Gnomes used the subway between Ironforge and Stormwind to get there. The goal was to get to Hogger as low level as possible. Once a large enough group of us were gathered, we'd proceed to tackle him like he was a raid boss with our extremely limited abilities and gear. Given how he was much higher level than us and an elite, it was a glorious bloodbath. Gnoll adds could utterly wreck the raiding group but they could also spontaneously level some lowbies if we dropped them. It was surprisingly hard (assuming no one cheated on the pre-raid leveling) but a whole lot of goofy fun. I think Hogger killed more of us than any actual raid boss ever did.

  • @LordCHull
    @LordCHull 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wait, do one for the Defias!

  • @noahwolcott1462
    @noahwolcott1462 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No gnoll can stand against the 40 man Zerg of 100 people!

  • @rahulvidhate23
    @rahulvidhate23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol that gnoll in the bottom right XD 1:17

  • @Lap-Deer
    @Lap-Deer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice drawings.

  • @sekara9866
    @sekara9866 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:25 D'awwwww. That happy face!
    pat pat pat

  • @LiniFox
    @LiniFox 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You made them look so adorable

  • @AISPs
    @AISPs 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I just watched this cute gnoll video for 20 times...

  • @Ar1AnX1x
    @Ar1AnX1x 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hogger is the fifth old god in disguise

  • @supersublime77
    @supersublime77 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “An organized force of these morons..” AHAHAHA

  • @6crazynays
    @6crazynays 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HOGGER! #HOTS

  • @jehutydark6658
    @jehutydark6658 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see a villains corner on Deathwing

  • @nerdslapper9361
    @nerdslapper9361 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Rachel :D

  • @TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
    @TheGloriousLobsterEmperor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is said that Hogger is more powerful than any other thing in Warcraft, Starcraft, Minecraft, Overwatch, The Lost Vikings, and various other franchises.

  • @Shervin86
    @Shervin86 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those animations killed me... 🤣🤣👌🏼

  • @dyingearth
    @dyingearth 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    In BfA, the Hogger in Stormwind Stockade is revealed to be a cosplayer. They celebrate the winner of Blizzcon 2017 Cosplay winner Kazplay by having her sitting in a cage minus the Hogger costume. They even name her Kazul www.wowhead.com/news=283666/tribute-to-blizzcon-costume-contest-winner-kazplay-in-battle-for-azeroth

  • @arthurkuhle869
    @arthurkuhle869 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    yes, more of this

  • @Pharnox32
    @Pharnox32 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What about Gamon?