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- This talk is part of the Irish Christian Home Educators Association (ICHEA) 2016 conference that was held in the Dun Laoghaire Evangelical Church on the 24th-25th of June.
Friday 24th June
Ruth Redmond - Homeschooling in Ireland
Sara Davis - Starting Out - What to expect the first year.
Martin Jordan - Homeschooling - A dads point of view.
Voddie Baucham - Homeschooling How and Why?
Simon Turpin - The Foundation of the Gospel
Voddie Baucham - Education and Worldview
Saturday 25th June
Voddie Baucham - Education - Harvard or Heaven
Robert Beckett - God's Blueprint for Life
Voddie Baucham - Established in Christ - Discipling your Children
Simon Turpin - Defending the Christian faith in the Scientific age.
Robert Beckett - Biological Evidence - Distinguishing fact from fantasy.
Simon Turpin - Challenging the Culture
Voddie Baucham - Building a Legacy - Educating your Children with your Grandchildren in mind.
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This pastor is a 1 in 1,000,000 who is willing to speak about serious issues facing our communities and not afraid to still call sin by it's right name. Praying for you pastor... Praying the courage and protection of Yah as you move forward in faith... your labors are not in vain... and your words are not falling on deaf ears.
Two others that I know of, just because they upload to ScroogleTube, is John MacArthur and Charles Lawson. Hopefully there are more across the country.
Gino Jennings does. Look him up on yt. He gets straight to the point
@@TheOliviadevon Always does ! Be Encouraged . Be Blessed . EVERYONE! In the Matchless and Mighty Name of JESUS CHRIST 🙏🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾
A celebrity gospel singer/pastor spoke out against it and she was cancelled
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If this is not a man of GOD, then he deserves an Oscar. Voddie, may GOD richly bless you in getting his word out.
but God hates the sin of homophobia
@PBR Streetgang while homophobia itself is Only followed as a lifestyle choice by fools and idiots Licentious Goons Bigots and Tyrants
@@pastorbri could I get a little more elaboration on this statement? I'm interested in having a conversation about this
@@rileybrannan1330 homophobia is a sin, its simple. What else would ya like to know?
@@pastorbri what specifically are you meaning by homophobia. I consider that to be a very vague term
Dr Bauchaum's arguments and proclamations on homosexually are profound. Excellent! God bless you.
and yet homophobia is a sin
@“pastor”,
God decides what is sin, not you, “pastor”. If you have a Bible, read it. We will not bow, but YOU will...to Jesus Christ, your Judge.
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@R Cortez Yes homophobics are the new sodomites, you are right there.
I wished that the parents of those babies would just wake up and realize. It's soo sad. They have my sympathies; God bless those precious little babies, but this is such a vital, worthwhile and super rare message. The enemy really does use anything to distract. This message affects their babies.
I was thinking those babies might be Voddie’s???
God bless you, Dr. Baucham! Your teachings have helped me tremendously!!
I wish the background noise was gone!
You KNOW it!!
I live in Ontario, Canada. I always wanted to homeschool but becuase my daughter has autism, and after YEARS of heaaring autism professional tell me over and over that putting her in a public school setting would be good for her development of social skills, I relented and allowed her to go into grade 1. I could already tell half way through the year that this was, as I knew deep down, foolish thinking and that she was not learning anything about social interaction in school otehr than how to be ignored and hurt becase peers have no empathy for difference when they are in a group of same-age peers (there are studies to prove that). So I already knew that we were not going to have her go another year. But then at the beginning of June of the school year, I show up to the school and what do I see flying on the flag poll? A rainbow flag. I aws confused, angry, shocked, and felt ill. It turns out my province decided to have june be Gay Pride MONTH in all of our public schools. Yes, that includes elementary school. Never in the history of Ontario has a public school flown anything on its flag pole other than the canadian flag or the ontario provincial flag. Not a flag for aboriginal rights (and, btw, June is also Aboriginal (native american) heritage month, and they got nothing from the province. If I were fist nations i would have been outraged- we were here first and we get nothing, but gays get a flag an an entire months of programing????) , not an autism awareness, not support our veterans, nothing. But for the first time in our history a flag supporting a cause flew for a MONTH on all of our public school flagpoles and it was the gay pride glad. By God's grace the principal of my school as not in favor of this so despite the fact that he was obligated to fly it, he did absolutely no programing in the school about gay pride. That was the Lord protecting my daughter (we would ahve puller he out of course but still- it let her finish her year), but there were many other schools, including elementary schools, that did TONS of programming about homosexuality and gender yada yada yada. When I contacted the school board with my concerns I was told that I was "heterosexist".
That was it. That was the nail in the coffin. I was alwys mostly sure I would never put my kids in public school but that was the thing that absolutely sealed it for me. Public schools are not places of education anymore in the west- they are places of indoctrination and cheap childcare for double income or single parent households. So sad.
So where do you want people who are 🏳️🌈 to go? What do you want them to do about their sexuality? Just like you would prefer people to show compassion to your autistic child, 🏳️🌈 folks also need understanding.
This is America I believe people can have their own beliefs about sexuality. However, no one must force their beliefs on anyone. I personally don’t agree with lgbtq+ ideology but I’m not going to imposed my view on them. I’m sure many think my Christianity is ancient and stupid. I’m still allowed to work, marry (if I want), worship, etc. Why deprive lgbtq+ people of these basic human rights due to different believes about sexuality?
@@WonLotto100M Well said : )
Autistic and other neurodiverse people are statistically more likely to identify as LGBTQIA+.
@@WonLotto100M they should go to repentance
Facts and truth from start to finish. Everything I've been subtly noticing over the past 10 years has been strategised since 1989!
Best preacher alive
Keep preaching Gods true word man! We as believers will stand against anyghing that opposes God and his will.
Yes, the public has been desensitized and pastors have been “ jammed “
Courageous man.
After the Ball, $100 bucks on Amazon, crazy. Great video btw.
Even more now. I have two copies: one for about $150 and the second $175
Amen
God bless you
One of the very few "pastors" left who has the courage to absolutely preach the TRUTH!!! God bless and protect Voddie!! I will say, however, those children screaming in the background was a little distracting. I don't get parents who seem to be oblivious to how distracting and, yes, annoying their kids are to everyone else in a setting like that...and how inappropriate it is to let it continue.
Parents take your loud child out of that room!!! Omg how rude!
True
Someone Hire a baby sitter, but don't allow the interruptions for the sake of Mr. Bauchaum and others, at least.
Take your wining kid outside please
Who stays in a room with a screaming child when an adult is trying to preach. Tried to watch screaming kid too distracting..Where is he preaching, a nursery.
I'm leaving the country
Solomon and the Sunamite you mean?
If you are referring to the article in The Advocate that was quoted, this was a mistake, I believe. The author said Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. This is not in the Bible, but assumes that the Shullamite in Song of Solomon is the same as the Queen of Sheba. This is a confusion, but the Advocate was trying to say that the physical love between a man and woman described in the Bible will have to be replaced or reduced to the same or less value as another description- that of same-sex love in homosexuality and lesbianism.
This man does a great job preaching over the child's noise in the audience. His concentration is amazing.
It's sad though because we can walk out or keep out children busy... disrespectful
That parent should be absolutely ashamed of themselves
Exactly, take yourself out of the dang church.
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Preach, brother! So heartening to see a pastor show some courage and discernment on this issue.
even though its a lie?
@@pastorbri show the scripture,
@@theflamefulhampter its all there between genesis and revalations, why? Is Gods word not enough for u?
@@pastorbri Bro, seen your other comments, please remove Pastor from your name, your not worthy if you advocate for homosexuality, your a deceiver like your Father Satan if you affirm homosexuality. Not meaning to be harsh, Just calling you out on your Heresy.
I'm in Ireland and you're right about that because my 13-year-old daughter was getting transgender homework under the disguise of bullying
Wow! Voddie really stuck his head under the guillotine this time! I wasn't quite expecting this when I started watching it -- it's powerful and I'm surprised to report I watched the whole thing this morning.
Powerful, true and necessary! I will rewatch and take notes
Powerful ! Bless God ! Time for people to start giving this truth in love ! God please bless us when we Honor you!
but this is a lie!
@@pastorbri I am curious as to what you do not understand. could you please tell me the lie?
I was required by law and School District policy to endure all this public indifference to the "Gay Agenda". By the way, when did public acceptance of inappropriate behavior in events like this one of undisciplined children begin? . Back when I was a child, if my parents had allowed this undisciplined and inappropriate behavior, I would have been taken out and been given something to cry about. Alternatively, the Ushers/Sextons, Deacons or even the pastor or speakers would have asked the parents of the misbehaving child to make the behavior cease or to take their undisciplined children and leave. The lesson/sermon was great, but largely spoiled by these children and their parents inability to control their offensive behaviors.I know that I am out of step on this issue and will have many criticize me, go right ahead.
The apologetic manner that precedes a sermon about homosexuality--Pastor Baucham is absolutely right. And as a bisexual woman who has decided to live for Christ, I know for a fact that the homosexual agenda is a real and malignant movement. May God bless anyone who stands up for Christian morality.
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God bless you for being so brave as to speak what is true. And moreover, for being honest about your own background. Continue to Be empowered by Christ beloved Sister.
Yamabushi Warrior, my brother in Christ, I thank you dearly for your kind words.
TheWriterWalker You do mean 'former' bisexual woman, correct?
NOOOO the homophobic agenda is real and u fell for it
@@TheWriterWalker Voddie also has another teaching addressing orientation in "Homosexuality and Transgender" if you haven't heard it already. Maybe worth your listening. Bless you for walking out the Word.
Bless you brother Voddie. May the men of God stand up in faith.
He CRUSHED this video!!!
Omg, I so enjoyed this WORD📚!!! Thank you,King Jesus👑🙌🏾 I never heard of this man until tonight but my brother in CHRIST keep on telling the TRUTH and SHAMING the devil👏🏾👏🏾 We as christians HATE the sin but love the sinner. We tell you the truth bc we love you and your soul.
See: Matt19.11-12.Kjv.HoLyBibLe. Isaiah56.3-5. ThxYou.
homophobia pleases satan
yo! that baby is distracting. Kudos to VB for persevering through it and get the message out there.
TRU 2 HIM he's used to it, from being part of a family intergraded church. lol
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True. He never placed his own children in a "children's church". Most of us have learned to be annoyed by babies being babies...sadly.
Ikr
TRU 2 HIM I was saying he same thing. Take those babies in the back so we can hear the word!!! Has to be a speaker 🔊 in the nursery....
TRU 2 HIM It's such a two-headed issue. EVERYONE'S WELCOME. I expect women to have children. I expect families to be at sermons and not be segregated. However... ONCE YOUR CHILD BEGINS TO CRY OR ACT UP IT IS RESPECTFUL TO GET UP AND CHANGE YOUR LOCATION UNTIL YOUR CHILD IS UNDER CONTROL. This is not an airplane or otherwise confined space. As a speaker and lecturer I personally CANNOT tolerate crying children and neither should the others in attendance. I have known some churches with space to have a separate room to accommodate these issues. But when women simply sit there and act as though it's not an issue, MAKES IT AN ISSUE.
That child’s commitment to being heard is admirable
I know why she didn’t take that baby out she didn’t won’t to miss out on any words.😃 I understand
But for an hour sure listened to that baby 😳 I would have stood on my head if I would have made it stop.
@@kathey1981 Take the baby out and give mom a recording.
Trifling mother!
I have never attended a church that would allow children to distract the service like this I am baffled the person in the pulpit should have the attention of the church!!!! It seems intentional honestly!!!
Hello. This is the first time I've stated this publicly, but it's a view I've actually held since I was a suspicious early teenager, in the early '70s, when the word "gay" in its current sense first took hold. I've always watched the way words progress through the language. I remember when the coinage first began to be promulgated, and I could immediately see why. If you read any literature before about 1971, you'll find the meaning of the word confined to its long-used sense. It was rarely, if ever, applied to any description of one's sexuality (sexual preference). Since its hijacking, it’s been impossible to use the word in any other sense without having to at least clarify.
It's time Christians actually debated the application of the word itself, instead of using it unthinkingly, and therefore buying into it. I'm noticing that even Christian preachers scripturally opposed to homosexuality inadvertently normalise the use of "gay" by treating it as synonymous with homosexuality. Consider the statement, “I’m not a hater of gay people”. To make this statement is to say more than one might mean to say. Apart from inaccurately expressing a truth about Christians (they don’t hate the person, only the sin) they are also unconsciously making a concession to an embedded command that we see homosexuality a certain way; that we de-couple the “state of being” from the act; that we discount any idea that choice is a factor - even though we apply the notion of volition to any other sin.
It makes debate much trickier than it ought to be. The church should not be contributing to this situation.
The word “gay” was invented for a reason. Before its use spread to the general population, "homosexual" was the term in popular use, obviously. The homosexual movement, as did other loud interest groups, had some ingenious PR working for them. They achieved two things very quickly: they developed "weapon words" to shame opponents and make them fear expressing opposition ("homophobic" was just one result), and they found a little word to describe themselves which was, in fact, a complete redefinition of who and what they were.
The term "gay" enabled them to detach sexual preference from their self-description. Once that was achieved, it was easy for the word to snowball semantically. To be "gay" now means something other than to have a sexual inclination; it now describes a state of being. It has allowed homosexuals to place this state of being on a par with one's race, gender or nationality (see Martina Navratilova’s description of those who opposed same-sex marriage as “racist”. Once it would have been considered a ridiculous equivalence). “Gay” in this sense has probably usurped the original word as a lexical entry, but it wasn’t a matter of natural semantic development. Interest groups these days are pretty savvy to the trick of kidnapping words and meanings.
The implications of this coinage are huge. It created an entirely new ground for debate, and we keep meeting them on this playing-field. Even Christians have been cowed into drawing the line at questioning this very self-description, imposed and insisted upon by the homosexual sector of society (calling it a “community” is another feat of linguistic legerdemain, and we have fallen for that one as well).
Those who advocate for the homosexual movement have been enabled, thanks to this coinage, to speak of being “born gay” (because, let’s face it, you can’t say someone is born with a sexual preference); to search for a “gay gene” in order to reinforce the notion that homosexuality is inherent; to create their own victimology (it’s more emotive to say you are picked on for what you ARE [gay] rather than what you do [prefer to have sexual relations with people of the same sex]); to march alongside black people or people with disabilities as an oppressed minority; to speak further myths into existence, like, say, a “gay holocaust”; to extend the usage to others by employing sly “gay” words like "bromance" (others are "man hug" and "man crush") that (homo)sexualise even friendship; to create gay “heroes”, gay “icons”, gay literature - it goes on.
The development of this little word is testimony to the human ability to conjure concepts out of nothing and then reify them by speaking of them endlessly until they become real - in the sense that they affect behaviour and impact society.
One symptom of the evil chaos that besets the world is that epistemological problems abound, and are proliferating exponentially. This begins with language - just look at the staggeringly extensive lexicon the Covid event has introduced with a mere year of its existence. Truth becomes the casualty.
Christians need to be a little more thoughtful and discerning and question existing narratives, no matter how entrenched they now are in “normality”. If they don’t, they inadvertently play a part in furthering these agendas, and make it more difficult for fellow Believers to combat them.
Oh my freaking god dude this is exactly what I've been looking for.
@@iftheapplewantstoturkey ...er, thanks?
@@mis-tur-tay-bur You're welcome.
If there's any pros out there that can redo this video filtering out the screaming child; that would be awesome and much appreciated.
IAm a white man,and I thank you,brother for your message.It is sorely needed. May God bless you
I love the fact that babies are talking and crying in the background and Voddie doesn't even flinch!
It's like this in almost every one of his videos. Most churches would have them removed by now.
There isn't a "Family Baptist" Church within 200 miles of me. They all have separate "Youth ministries"
I have listened to this video about 50 times. I learn something new every time!! God bless his ministry and God have mercy on the lost.
@Phoebe I heard him say in another talk that some of his children are adopted. I think he’s wonderful! He loves our Heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus and and teaches faithfully from the Word.
We need this lecture again but in a quieter environment! Is there one available? It is amazing.
The is another he has titled Homosexuality and Transgender. Excellent Teaching!
That was a good lesson him and that baby presented.
Man o man - was this recorded next to a Kindergarten?
Thank You for Speaking. That was Beautiful
Crying children have no business in a conference! Why don't people get this?
Use of language is a evil tool for sin. Homophobia if you don’t agree with the gay agenda.
Proclaim the gospel.
We must do this for this lost, wild debaucherous people.
Some are actually related to us.
Thank you God, for truth.
J W
Voddie my brother n yahasuajesus...preach that true gospel knowledge and wisdom of Yahweh God...
The biggest mistake in Voddie's approach is that he projects his own good faith and good intent onto the opponent. The opponent in these debates never operates from a position of goos faith, only from the position of achieving more power.
GOD given wisdom & delivery! True Love hates sin. 1 Corinthians 13: Love . . . does not rejoice in wrong doing, but rejoices in the Truth. (You're going to get married? I cannot go!") So good!
and homophobia is not good.
I was Gay God spoke to.me about it I left that lifestyle but it never ceases to amaze me that if man or woman leaves their oppersite sex spouse and start Gay relationship it's always how wonderful you found your true self!! Right?? If I lived Gay life and find man now it would be oh she's lying about her true self ect ect strange that eh??? Yes Gay agenda xx
I like kids, but the baby should have been in the nursery.
I love Voddie, absolutely brilliant.
I found that baby extremely distracting to the point were I'm finding this so hard to listen to
@@jennifermcdowell2478 listen again...and again. I did not find it distracting, I love children. Maybe there is not anyone to take care of the baby... God bless you.
Incredible undisputable truth. Pity that they didn't make it baby-free while taping I found it very distracting
Can someone edit the screaming baby out of this message? I think this teaching it's so vitally important, but the squealing is way too distracting. And don't tell me to get over myself. I have 11 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. I'm used to baby noises, but there is a time and a place for everything. We are taught in the bible to esteem others higher than ourselves by being considerate. The mother should have excused herself with the baby and left the room.
Wow! All I can say is wow! That was such an intellectually satisfying argument!
I do find it hard to listen to this message... And it has everything to do with the audio 😭
I am disappointed that I cannot hear what Pastor Baucham is saying due to the children. I love children.... I had and raised five children myself, but when in church if my child was acting up or crying, I would take them out and walk with them in hopes that they would fall asleep and I could go back in. I did this so that everyone else could hear the message. There is a time and a place for children to play, and to cry, and that is not during the service when the preacher is giving an important message. One commenter below said that those of us whom complained about the children making noise, were like the disciples who were forbidding the children to come to Jesus... This is not the same situation at all. Jesus was walking about greeting, teaching, and healing people, and then took a break and picked up one or two children to put on his lap, and used his action to give an illustration as to how are to come to God as little children. He was not saying to allow children to act up, thus preventing people from hearing his message. The Apostle Paul did not allow children, or anyone for that matter, to interrupt when he was preaching. He was spreading the Gospel with little time and had much to say. It was especially important for the men, who did not yet know the gospel, to learn so that they could carry on after Paul had left.
Stop complaining bout kids stay forecast .
These are the times good has become evil and evil good..these are the times we followers of Jesus Christ who stand on The Rock must be bold, must continue to speak to our children about God and His Love in His commandments for He established the Laws not men.
Nothing says how westernized our modern culture than people complaining about a baby in the background. Good grief there was no nursery or childcare in the early church.
Good manners would have embarrassed me to step outside until the baby settled
Jennifer McDowell Is sorry your children acting like children make you feel embarrassed.
@@nparksntx the parent couldn't take the child out so everybody else can hear what he's saying? That's just good manners - since we DO have nurseries now, why wouldn't the parent make use of that? That's just selfish - not caring if anyone else can hear, as long as you're not inconvenienced!
@@marilynnewland2838 Pretty sure Jesus was the one that said not send the children away. Not all churches have nurseries and corporate worship is for everyone. If you can't handle a child hearing and being surrounded by the word of God, Maybe you can remove yourself to a room so as not to be disturbed? They have church online these days if being around fellow believers and their families is an inconvenience to you. The man giving the sermon himself never sent his own children away. He wrote about it in one of his books.
This is so useful and good info but hard to pay attention with yelling youth lol I love all children regardless of anything but I never understood how parents can allow that, my mom would take me out of the room and tell me I'm being disrespectful. These days we allow our children do anything cause we're afraid of discipline. I wish I could hear the whole thing. I have aspergers and it's hard to concentrate...God bless the message though I know it's true. By experience. I have seen demons come out of them especially at the pride parade STAY AWAY FROM PARADES
Yes hard to listen with the baby noise. Maybe take the baby out of the room to be courteous to the other people in the room. Amazing how he can concentrate lol
A selfish and lazy parent! I would have left out and just purchased the cd.
Thank you Voddie. God bless you
Look, if you have infants and kids. Go home. Watch it at home. WTH is this bullshit. These kids are crying and disrupting. Have some decency and class.
An ominous warning back then that has come upon us like a wild animal.
And this is just the BEGINNING.
"As for me, I will trust in the Lord".
J W
"... We're giving special and specific rights to a group of people that we CAN'T prove really EXIST".
DEEP.
J W
Amazing video
even though its a lie?
Also no Jesus was not sisified as you call it-He is however loving and graceful, merciful and He is the only one who knows ones heart-
Around 51:51- On marrying dogs. I can honestly see that coming as now people have wardrobes, birthday parties for their dogs and call them their 'babies" and the owners are "mommy and daddy" - it seems that they have already replaced children.
Beastiality is on yt. Though i havent seen it.
Some of us can't have children! How dare you imply we are having sex with our pets you sick pervert!
Bestiality is legal in Canada as long as there is no penetration. They're currently fighting for pedophilia
Preach ! Truth be told ,thank you brother & Pastor Baucham ,much love, stay strong in the faith, be blessed,praise JESUS
PHILLIP HOLT JR.
He. Encourages that children should be there. In church. That's what he does in his church.
You notice it doesn't bother him, it's on purpose
He was so humble and bold with Godly boldness back then.
No one has listened to Voddie Baucham and Focus on the Family.
49:25-50:17 👏👏👏
This video is so eye-opening! Wow. Thank you
Your teaching was really good
..Yes. Smart Man.
Are you guys still holding events like this --- it was a blessing being there and listening to Voddie
I really wanted to listen to this,but that kid screaming is too much.Why didn't anyone do something about it?
Wow, that parent ruined this whole presentation.
love the message and education... but the baby needs to go lol.... why did not the mother take the baby out the room....
You love listening to someone who backs up your pathetic bigotry.
His logic is the worst I have ever seen.
Wow
The people complaining about the baby sound like the disciples that rebuked the children from coming to Jesus.
With big, big and huge respect to the Hanmaun Church and Clair Lee: And all others:
Part 1 ::: I am a 52 year old @t
in South Africa.Our big-line church and government has very recently
also approved homosexuality/bisexuality.Please I beg you to read
further.......Growing up as a Christian in a Christian family and being
every Sunday in church- which condemn
homosexuality/lesbianism/bisexuality those times (in which I will refer
to as "gay" in further writing for the ease of it). Again : Our churches
and government condemn gayness as a sin.
Part ::2 Since childhood, I had a stronger desire
to be with boys rather than girls. As I was growing older, the
"attraction"becomes stronger and stronger. I could not understand why.
Later around age 12 --- I know for sure that I was gay. Part 3 As I
knew at that stage to be gay was wrong according to the Holy Word
(Bible) I start fighting against it. One thing I really want you to
understand, is that I have never, never, never ask or choose to be gay.
In retrospect -- no one has. Who on earth would want to be gay and
condemned by family,friends and society if they could have been
normal?(heterosexual). I am emphasizing this fact again:No gay person
choose to be gay.Please believe me on this one. So I had this continuous
struggle to fight against it. And I start praying that Our Lord Jesus
and the Almighty God Father and the Holy Spirit will take this struggle
away. Not once. Not twice.But countless times.Crying before the Lord.
Pleading with Him. Please God Jesus , take away this pain. (Only
recently, after a very long intensive debate in church I realized that
was not only my prayer through the years. It was every gay`s prayer.And
crying out. It is really not nice to be condemned the whole time.
Part 4 More or less on age 30 (although it was a growing process for
myself), I actively. deliberately, desperately accept Jesus as my Lord
and Savior by getting baptized and openly declare that Jesus is my Lord
and Savoir,has died on the cross for my sins and that I that my sins
are forgiven.Because I was really, really tired of being rejected and
condemned.I stopped dating boys and start dating girls.This went on for
about 5 years. Then I realized that I am lying to myself. I am lying to
the world.I am lying to the girls.And to @t
this 5 years, I was terrible unhappy, depressed,crying,praying --- hear
my heart. And I stopped dating girls. My desire to be with a man was
still there. I went for counseling.I went for breaking of strongholds.
I`ve tried everything possible.And in the process I have many
conversations with God. So I ask God for an explanation or an answer.
Then God answered me : When my Son was on earth, did He heal every one?
Or just some? Did he heal all the leapers? Did he cast out all demons?
Did the leapers ask to be leapers? Did the blind ask to be blind? The
crippled ask to be crippled? Was every one healed on earth when Our
Lord Jesus walked on earth? And God said: Did you ask to be
gay?......... Just take up your cross and follow Me. Which I
did . But still unsure.Did I hear right?Very recently, our church - -as I
said the main line in South Africa realized that in the original
original scriptures (where all the text referring to men sleeping with
men ) was not the intention of the writer......I know you going to sit
up straight now......
In those years and throughout the years in all nations and cultures up
to today......there was and is and will always be be a percentage of men
who want to sleep with men.That was fine with the author.What he
actually had in mind was :::::::::::the raping of men:::::::::If you
read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, it is clear that at Lots house,
men wanted to rape men.But that alone was not enough to destroy Sodom
and Gomorrah. The fact that they worshiped foreign gods, that they did
not follow the commandments and laws of the time and other things was
the main reason. The word "rape" or "raping men"had
no term "rape" as we know it today,in those years. This is how I
understand it now.....to be gay is a "sickness" like leprosy. Or cancer.
or blindness.Death-mute. Is there a cure for all of these? Did any one
who has it ask for it? Last part::::: Coming to the New
Testament.Paul said. I wish that all off you can be single like me.Some
is so by choice. Others are made like this.Others prefer to get
married.Coming to the last point:::The Big Commandment:(By Jesus)Love
your God firstly and wholeheartedly.Then love your nearest (others)
like yourself. I am 100% sure he did not have homosexuality on mind when
He said this.He had Love on His mind. The Agape (Godly Love) . And
finally the conclusion: If two people love each other with an
unconditional love, and they are in a relationship, without causing any
hurt or pain, whether it is man and women ,men and men, women and women,
blind and seeing, healthy and sick, what would Jesus say? As a Gay
man : God,Lord Almighty, Jesus and Holy Spirit , I accept you as my
Creator, my Leader, my Wisdom, my Insight, my Hope, My First Love and my
Redeemer and Savior. Please Lord, if I am still sinning forgive me. If
You find what I wrote above not to be correct, show me and guide me.
With your soft and gentle Love. I pray for every child of you who
accepted you, and also for the sinner who has not accepted @t
Jesus Name. Amen Please brothers and sisters in Christ. Feel
free to differ for me.Pray for me, As I pray for you. With Utmost
Respect. And Love. Now very important Above writing was the very
basics in a nutshell. ( As I understand it now)
There is much, much, much more to it........EG But God created Adam end
Eve........He also created sickness......Be Blessed, Kobus
With big, big and huge respect to the Hanmaun Church and Clair Lee: And all others:
Part 1 ::: I am a 52 year old @t
in South Africa.Our big-line church and government has very recently
also approved homosexuality/bisexuality.Please I beg you to read
further.......Growing up as a Christian in a Christian family and being
every Sunday in church- which condemn
homosexuality/lesbianism/bisexuality those times (in which I will refer
to as "gay" in further writing for the ease of it). Again : Our churches
and government condemn gayness as a sin.
Part ::2 Since childhood, I had a stronger desire
to be with boys rather than girls. As I was growing older, the
"attraction"becomes stronger and stronger. I could not understand why.
Later around age 12 --- I know for sure that I was gay. Part 3 As I
knew at that stage to be gay was wrong according to the Holy Word
(Bible) I start fighting against it. One thing I really want you to
understand, is that I have never, never, never ask or choose to be gay.
In retrospect -- no one has. Who on earth would want to be gay and
condemned by family,friends and society if they could have been
normal?(heterosexual). I am emphasizing this fact again:No gay person
choose to be gay.Please believe me on this one. So I had this continuous
struggle to fight against it. And I start praying that Our Lord Jesus
and the Almighty God Father and the Holy Spirit will take this struggle
away. Not once. Not twice.But countless times.Crying before the Lord.
Pleading with Him. Please God Jesus , take away this pain. (Only
recently, after a very long intensive debate in church I realized that
was not only my prayer through the years. It was every gay`s prayer.And
crying out. It is really not nice to be condemned the whole time.
Part 4 More or less on age 30 (although it was a growing process for
myself), I actively. deliberately, desperately accept Jesus as my Lord
and Savior by getting baptized and openly declare that Jesus is my Lord
and Savoir,has died on the cross for my sins and that I that my sins
are forgiven.Because I was really, really tired of being rejected and
condemned.I stopped dating boys and start dating girls.This went on for
about 5 years. Then I realized that I am lying to myself. I am lying to
the world.I am lying to the girls.And to @t
this 5 years, I was terrible unhappy, depressed,crying,praying --- hear
my heart. And I stopped dating girls. My desire to be with a man was
still there. I went for counseling.I went for breaking of strongholds.
I`ve tried everything possible.And in the process I have many
conversations with God. So I ask God for an explanation or an answer.
Then God answered me : When my Son was on earth, did He heal every one?
Or just some? Did he heal all the leapers? Did he cast out all demons?
Did the leapers ask to be leapers? Did the blind ask to be blind? The
crippled ask to be crippled? Was every one healed on earth when Our
Lord Jesus walked on earth? And God said: Did you ask to be
gay?......... Just take up your cross and follow Me. Which I
did . But still unsure.Did I hear right?Very recently, our church - -as I
said the main line in South Africa realized that in the original
original scriptures (where all the text referring to men sleeping with
men ) was not the intention of the writer......I know you going to sit
up straight now......
In those years and throughout the years in all nations and cultures up
to today......there was and is and will always be be a percentage of men
who want to sleep with men.That was fine with the author.What he
actually had in mind was :::::::::::the raping of men:::::::::If you
read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, it is clear that at Lots house,
men wanted to rape men.But that alone was not enough to destroy Sodom
and Gomorrah. The fact that they worshiped foreign gods, that they did
not follow the commandments and laws of the time and other things was
the main reason. The word "rape" or "raping men"had
no term "rape" as we know it today,in those years. This is how I
understand it now.....to be gay is a "sickness" like leprosy. Or cancer.
or blindness.Death-mute. Is there a cure for all of these? Did any one
who has it ask for it? Last part::::: Coming to the New
Testament.Paul said. I wish that all off you can be single like me.Some
is so by choice. Others are made like this.Others prefer to get
married.Coming to the last point:::The Big Commandment:(By Jesus)Love
your God firstly and wholeheartedly.Then love your nearest (others)
like yourself. I am 100% sure he did not have homosexuality on mind when
He said this.He had Love on His mind. The Agape (Godly Love) . And
finally the conclusion: If two people love each other with an
unconditional love, and they are in a relationship, without causing any
hurt or pain, whether it is man and women ,men and men, women and women,
blind and seeing, healthy and sick, what would Jesus say? As a Gay
man : God,Lord Almighty, Jesus and Holy Spirit , I accept you as my
Creator, my Leader, my Wisdom, my Insight, my Hope, My First Love and my
Redeemer and Savior. Please Lord, if I am still sinning forgive me. If
You find what I wrote above not to be correct, show me and guide me.
With your soft and gentle Love. I pray for every child of you who
accepted you, and also for the sinner who has not accepted @t
Jesus Name. Amen Please brothers and sisters in Christ. Feel
free to differ for me.Pray for me, As I pray for you. With Utmost
Respect. And Love. Now very important Above writing was the very
basics in a nutshell. ( As I understand it now)
There is much, much, much more to it........EG But God created Adam end
Eve........He also created sickness......Be Blessed, Kobus
You caught my flesh off guard. Thank the Lord of Hosts for helping me recognize evil principals. I plucked it and i walk with holy spirit. My leaven is no more.
With big, big and huge respect to the Hanmaun Church and Clair Lee: And all others:
Part 1 ::: I am a 52 year old @t
in South Africa.Our big-line church and government has very recently
also approved homosexuality/bisexuality.Please I beg you to read
further.......Growing up as a Christian in a Christian family and being
every Sunday in church- which condemn
homosexuality/lesbianism/bisexuality those times (in which I will refer
to as "gay" in further writing for the ease of it). Again : Our churches
and government condemn gayness as a sin.
Part ::2 Since childhood, I had a stronger desire
to be with boys rather than girls. As I was growing older, the
"attraction"becomes stronger and stronger. I could not understand why.
Later around age 12 --- I know for sure that I was gay. Part 3 As I
knew at that stage to be gay was wrong according to the Holy Word
(Bible) I start fighting against it. One thing I really want you to
understand, is that I have never, never, never ask or choose to be gay.
In retrospect -- no one has. Who on earth would want to be gay and
condemned by family,friends and society if they could have been
normal?(heterosexual). I am emphasizing this fact again:No gay person
choose to be gay.Please believe me on this one. So I had this continuous
struggle to fight against it. And I start praying that Our Lord Jesus
and the Almighty God Father and the Holy Spirit will take this struggle
away. Not once. Not twice.But countless times.Crying before the Lord.
Pleading with Him. Please God Jesus , take away this pain. (Only
recently, after a very long intensive debate in church I realized that
was not only my prayer through the years. It was every gay`s prayer.And
crying out. It is really not nice to be condemned the whole time.
Part 4 More or less on age 30 (although it was a growing process for
myself), I actively. deliberately, desperately accept Jesus as my Lord
and Savior by getting baptized and openly declare that Jesus is my Lord
and Savoir,has died on the cross for my sins and that I that my sins
are forgiven.Because I was really, really tired of being rejected and
condemned.I stopped dating boys and start dating girls.This went on for
about 5 years. Then I realized that I am lying to myself. I am lying to
the world.I am lying to the girls.And to @t
this 5 years, I was terrible unhappy, depressed,crying,praying --- hear
my heart. And I stopped dating girls. My desire to be with a man was
still there. I went for counseling.I went for breaking of strongholds.
I`ve tried everything possible.And in the process I have many
conversations with God. So I ask God for an explanation or an answer.
Then God answered me : When my Son was on earth, did He heal every one?
Or just some? Did he heal all the leapers? Did he cast out all demons?
Did the leapers ask to be leapers? Did the blind ask to be blind? The
crippled ask to be crippled? Was every one healed on earth when Our
Lord Jesus walked on earth? And God said: Did you ask to be
gay?......... Just take up your cross and follow Me. Which I
did . But still unsure.Did I hear right?Very recently, our church - -as I
said the main line in South Africa realized that in the original
original scriptures (where all the text referring to men sleeping with
men ) was not the intention of the writer......I know you going to sit
up straight now......
In those years and throughout the years in all nations and cultures up
to today......there was and is and will always be be a percentage of men
who want to sleep with men.That was fine with the author.What he
actually had in mind was :::::::::::the raping of men:::::::::If you
read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, it is clear that at Lots house,
men wanted to rape men.But that alone was not enough to destroy Sodom
and Gomorrah. The fact that they worshiped foreign gods, that they did
not follow the commandments and laws of the time and other things was
the main reason. The word "rape" or "raping men"had
no term "rape" as we know it today,in those years. This is how I
understand it now.....to be gay is a "sickness" like leprosy. Or cancer.
or blindness.Death-mute. Is there a cure for all of these? Did any one
who has it ask for it? Last part::::: Coming to the New
Testament.Paul said. I wish that all off you can be single like me.Some
is so by choice. Others are made like this.Others prefer to get
married.Coming to the last point:::The Big Commandment:(By Jesus)Love
your God firstly and wholeheartedly.Then love your nearest (others)
like yourself. I am 100% sure he did not have homosexuality on mind when
He said this.He had Love on His mind. The Agape (Godly Love) . And
finally the conclusion: If two people love each other with an
unconditional love, and they are in a relationship, without causing any
hurt or pain, whether it is man and women ,men and men, women and women,
blind and seeing, healthy and sick, what would Jesus say? As a Gay
man : God,Lord Almighty, Jesus and Holy Spirit , I accept you as my
Creator, my Leader, my Wisdom, my Insight, my Hope, My First Love and my
Redeemer and Savior. Please Lord, if I am still sinning forgive me. If
You find what I wrote above not to be correct, show me and guide me.
With your soft and gentle Love. I pray for every child of you who
accepted you, and also for the sinner who has not accepted @t
Jesus Name. Amen Please brothers and sisters in Christ. Feel
free to differ for me.Pray for me, As I pray for you. With Utmost
Respect. And Love. Now very important Above writing was the very
basics in a nutshell. ( As I understand it now)
There is much, much, much more to it........EG But God created Adam end
Eve........He also created sickness......Be Blessed, Kobus
Whats with the screaming kids?
well, i guess you gotta do what you gotta do.
This is not the exact same message here, but if you are struggling concentrating with the kiddos in the background, here is another video with similar information:
th-cam.com/video/ZkL3lT95vOU/w-d-xo.html
that baby though
Prayers out to you brother
Good Word Brother
With big, big and huge respect to the Hanmaun Church and Clair Lee: And all others:
Part 1 ::: I am a 52 year old @t
in South Africa.Our big-line church and government has very recently
also approved homosexuality/bisexuality.Please I beg you to read
further.......Growing up as a Christian in a Christian family and being
every Sunday in church- which condemn
homosexuality/lesbianism/bisexuality those times (in which I will refer
to as "gay" in further writing for the ease of it). Again : Our churches
and government condemn gayness as a sin.
Part ::2 Since childhood, I had a stronger desire
to be with boys rather than girls. As I was growing older, the
"attraction"becomes stronger and stronger. I could not understand why.
Later around age 12 --- I know for sure that I was gay. Part 3 As I
knew at that stage to be gay was wrong according to the Holy Word
(Bible) I start fighting against it. One thing I really want you to
understand, is that I have never, never, never ask or choose to be gay.
In retrospect -- no one has. Who on earth would want to be gay and
condemned by family,friends and society if they could have been
normal?(heterosexual). I am emphasizing this fact again:No gay person
choose to be gay.Please believe me on this one. So I had this continuous
struggle to fight against it. And I start praying that Our Lord Jesus
and the Almighty God Father and the Holy Spirit will take this struggle
away. Not once. Not twice.But countless times.Crying before the Lord.
Pleading with Him. Please God Jesus , take away this pain. (Only
recently, after a very long intensive debate in church I realized that
was not only my prayer through the years. It was every gay`s prayer.And
crying out. It is really not nice to be condemned the whole time.
Part 4 More or less on age 30 (although it was a growing process for
myself), I actively. deliberately, desperately accept Jesus as my Lord
and Savior by getting baptized and openly declare that Jesus is my Lord
and Savoir,has died on the cross for my sins and that I that my sins
are forgiven.Because I was really, really tired of being rejected and
condemned.I stopped dating boys and start dating girls.This went on for
about 5 years. Then I realized that I am lying to myself. I am lying to
the world.I am lying to the girls.And to @t
this 5 years, I was terrible unhappy, depressed,crying,praying --- hear
my heart. And I stopped dating girls. My desire to be with a man was
still there. I went for counseling.I went for breaking of strongholds.
I`ve tried everything possible.And in the process I have many
conversations with God. So I ask God for an explanation or an answer.
Then God answered me : When my Son was on earth, did He heal every one?
Or just some? Did he heal all the leapers? Did he cast out all demons?
Did the leapers ask to be leapers? Did the blind ask to be blind? The
crippled ask to be crippled? Was every one healed on earth when Our
Lord Jesus walked on earth? And God said: Did you ask to be
gay?......... Just take up your cross and follow Me. Which I
did . But still unsure.Did I hear right?Very recently, our church - -as I
said the main line in South Africa realized that in the original
original scriptures (where all the text referring to men sleeping with
men ) was not the intention of the writer......I know you going to sit
up straight now......
In those years and throughout the years in all nations and cultures up
to today......there was and is and will always be be a percentage of men
who want to sleep with men.That was fine with the author.What he
actually had in mind was :::::::::::the raping of men:::::::::If you
read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, it is clear that at Lots house,
men wanted to rape men.But that alone was not enough to destroy Sodom
and Gomorrah. The fact that they worshiped foreign gods, that they did
not follow the commandments and laws of the time and other things was
the main reason. The word "rape" or "raping men"had
no term "rape" as we know it today,in those years. This is how I
understand it now.....to be gay is a "sickness" like leprosy. Or cancer.
or blindness.Death-mute. Is there a cure for all of these? Did any one
who has it ask for it? Last part::::: Coming to the New
Testament.Paul said. I wish that all off you can be single like me.Some
is so by choice. Others are made like this.Others prefer to get
married.Coming to the last point:::The Big Commandment:(By Jesus)Love
your God firstly and wholeheartedly.Then love your nearest (others)
like yourself. I am 100% sure he did not have homosexuality on mind when
He said this.He had Love on His mind. The Agape (Godly Love) . And
finally the conclusion: If two people love each other with an
unconditional love, and they are in a relationship, without causing any
hurt or pain, whether it is man and women ,men and men, women and women,
blind and seeing, healthy and sick, what would Jesus say? As a Gay
man : God,Lord Almighty, Jesus and Holy Spirit , I accept you as my
Creator, my Leader, my Wisdom, my Insight, my Hope, My First Love and my
Redeemer and Savior. Please Lord, if I am still sinning forgive me. If
You find what I wrote above not to be correct, show me and guide me.
With your soft and gentle Love. I pray for every child of you who
accepted you, and also for the sinner who has not accepted @t
Jesus Name. Amen Please brothers and sisters in Christ. Feel
free to differ for me.Pray for me, As I pray for you. With Utmost
Respect. And Love. Now very important Above writing was the very
basics in a nutshell. ( As I understand it now)
There is much, much, much more to it........EG But God created Adam end
Eve........He also created sickness......Be Blessed, Kobus
'Your church realized that the original intention was about men raping young boys?' and so when Paul talked about women exchanging unnatural affections with fellow women, that also means 'older women raping young girls'?(ref Romans 1 vs26). I want to ask you two questions and that is because I sensed that you might have an open heart to learn.
1. The church is over 2000yrs old, how comes these pastors in your country are just realizing these 'mistakes' in the wake of massive propaganda of 'Homosexuality' which has spiked in the last two decades? Why do I sense a deliberate attempt to conform to the world and avoid persecution?
2. Did you just compare Jesus not healing 'everyone' he met to homosexuals continuing with their acts because they haven't been healed yet? So by that premise, every pedophile who hasn't giving up on their sick behavior can continue in it because if God frowns at it, he would have healed them already?
You spoke a lot about knowing God and being committed to his things, however as I read through the lines of your write ups, I sensed someone emotionally pushing themselves to be accepted by speaking kind and nice words. if you read John 10:10, you will see clearly that Jesus is the only true door to eternal life (this means that their are counterfeit doors all over). I will honestly suggest you assess the door through which came into the sheepfold ( he will eventually fish out people who didn't come through him).
Lastly, I don't need a prophet to tell me that it wasn't God who spoke to you about taking up your cross as a homosexual and following him. Do you know why I know?? GOD CANNOT CONTRADICT HIMSELF!
I pray you will be humble enough to find THE truth!! I am convinced you will find it if you REALLY do.
Goodnight.
……and such were some of you …..it CAN be stopped
If you don't kick up dust,.. you won't have to sneeze,..
Yes, it’s the 11th commandment ….be nice as Voddie says
After watching this vid I now realise i'm intolerant. Cos those whinging children screeching throughout Voddies sermon were doing my HEAD IN!!
Where can I find this document outlining their agenda that Dr. Baucham is speaking from?
“After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the '90s” is a 1989 book by neuropsychologist Marshall Kirk and advertising executive Hunter Madsen about LGBT rights in the United States. The book was expanded from a 1987 article by Kirk and Masen (who wrote under the pen-name "Erastes Pill") called "The Overhauling of Straight America", published in Guide magazine.