the “producer community” is a bunch of beat makers selling each other loops and recycled drums, who cares, producergrind is a pod and it seems like dyllan and the crew have a good relationship with cymatics
Tbh, Steven Cymatics never really was a "for the love of music" type person.. but more of a businessman. His interview w PG a while ago really tells you everything about him as a person. Dude is very well informed on business and gave out a lot of free game, but I dont feel like he is for the producer community. He's more so in it for the money, and looks at everyone as dollar signs. He's making money moves tho lol
@@WeaverBeats2lolyeah as someone who is not as informed about all the intermingled drama, I remember consuming bwb stuff the same way as I’ve consumed Cymatics stuff. I live in Madison, I’ve known Pain and Baldhead and ScatteredBrains and a number of other producers who I’ve gotten game from for beatmaking specifics from time to time, but bwb and cymantics (to me at least) has always been like oh they have some helpful videos, they give out some free packs, you can buy stuff from them. Like weaver and ave are ones you go to for like “how do you do (whatever)”
The level of inception between busy watching busy inside of weaver while in weaver chat as weaver also sometimes sprinkles in weaver and the busy video inside the busy video has its own chat as well as the putter busy video has a chat as well as the overlying weaver video having a chat that busy is in 😂
I have never seen BWB or Cymatics play or track an instrument into their DAW at all which is why I respect creators like Kaelin Ellis or Elijah Fox more. They give a glimpse into the process and the music that flows out of them in that particular moment or fleshing out an idea. I feel no musicality when watching BWB or Steven.
Most people who hate on loops because they’re “cheating” would still find a way to mess it up if they tried. I see them like training wheels, it’s good to take them off once you’re comfortable riding. But people spend years unable to ride the bike criticizing other people like “Well at least I don’t use training wheels”. Meanwhile everybody rides their bikes around them laughing and having fun, training wheels or not.
Hear me out...if these companies included him into the deal to make x amount of dollars would he still be mad. The gripe is the deal, maybe behind the scenes he tried to get on the deal and was told no. this is more a one sides discussion.
I’ve got a lot of value out of producergrind over the years and they quite literally put me on and got me my first placement. My heart sank when I saw that Cymatics had acquired them. Cymatics is good for beginners that aren’t invested in actually getting better at their craft and want to use super static and over Compressed sounding generic melodies. I’m not saying they aren’t a solid resource for beginners or that you can’t get success using their products but it it’s more of a quantity over quality advertising type thing. It always felt like to me they’re just pumping stuff out for the sake of making money and don’t really care about providing that much value to the producer community. Maybe that’s not fair of me to characterize it like that, but I don’t view this as a good thing.
@7:00 Did he make that Beige plugin trolling Curtis? I watched him for a second showing what the plug in does then about a hour later Curtis had a live watch party for his new album Beige
The whole 500 copies of sounds pack, is about licenses. I see what cymatics is trying to do but it does seem scammy. They are trying to get you to purchase a “limited supply” of loops, so they can get sales
This is like trashing Opera and being mad she takes down your guest appearance on her network. She doesn't owe you anything, and Steven doesn't either. Businessman or not you're still dealing with humans. You can't throw 💩 at someone and expect them to eat it. He's just bitter
Can you imagine being stuck in a room with BWB? That dude is EXHAUSTING Every story he tells frames him as the center of the universe. Taking down my interview is the erasure of culture. Only a few people are looking out for the community like I am. blah blah blah
They do and are and have. I'm also just not a huge fan of this preset thing. I like presets too, but I also change them. Turns out. All of folks don't. It funnels music into a certain direction and it funnels exploration into a certain direction. I remember back in like 2016 and stuff people were able to pick out Omnisphere presets.
Cymatics Diablo Drums plugin is legitly pretty useful, i was skeptical and i couldnt get it to sound that great than i realized right clicking on each knob gave a 2nd value to adjust. I love it now and ditched all other drum plugins. I also pirated it in full disclosure
I feel like theres so much info going into this on BWB's side its almost like he's almost overloaded with his thoughts and what he knows. I mean if you listen to him, he hits some valid points, but all the things he puts out seems like a lot of build up. Not to say he's wrong, but it just feels like a lot that hes built up and is letting out. We have also seen Steven's video where he initially makes us think that hes going to just come out and say he bought producergrind, but instead says he's been running cymatics for 9 years 16 seconds into his video which was obviously edited instead of just saying "we bought producergrind". after a whole bunch of blah blah blah, at 2:47 he says they "acquired producergrind".
BWB 100 tries to push the producer community term as a power play; he can't address everyone down as easily without. All part of that dangerous level of Dunning Kruger he got. Edit: and what makes him a self-professed leader? I know he believes it, but why? Delusion?
Economic Hitman is a good book, which I would highly recommend. BWB's analogy to the practises shown in that book is a stretch though. He does like to babble on, like the ChatGPT of TH-camrs.
Steven from Cymatics is the new Producer President, this video encouraged me to buy a Cymatics sample pack for the 1st time ever just to support the ´real´ President )
Producergrind marketing strategy was poor but god knows what made them accept the offer to be sold it would be more believable if was PG acquiring Cymatics
This guy really doesnt like BWB . to be honest.....i thhink this guy just doesnt really like black creators in general....he doesnt do this shit with anybody else
@@less_tress to be fair he had smoke for teatro over unison audio. I will say though It is a bit weird seeing the guy who advocate for transparency in the community when it comes to plugins and sample packs. But also doesn’t believe there really is a producer community.
Other black creators don’t get along with BWB. If you spend enough time watching him you’ll see how he falls out with almost everyone he works with. He’s the common denominator.
Producer Community is a real thing... Maybe you just don't foster one? Someone like Bishu does. Also just saying, but Hot wheels and Hot wheel tracks is a legit community and they do some crazy things like making a hot wheel car go like 60 mph, but yeah.
izotope doesnt need producers 😭😭😭😭. they are making audio software, not fucking beats. if you want a cut of the pie, make your own dam plugins and sell them, good look.
and bwb literally helped carve out this entire niche market on youtube that WEAVER feeds hisself with. weaver makes content commenting on stuff ppl like bwb started . honestly bwb has all rights to call out anybody in this space he feels like .
Nah. This implies that without busyworks none of this would’ve been possible, which is honestly some next level glazing. The TH-cam producer scene existed wayy before he came around and don’t forget it’s more than just trap/hip-hop producers out there. Many started in other genres.
WEAVER DELETED 3 of my comments cause he mad I'm a real opppack smoker and not BWB . GG WIFI stomping on u clones. is it me or do weaver Venus theory and ben Jordan look the same . Venus theory the best out of those three doe . ben is 2nd . weaver Is 12th cause he's like an even less funny version of Judd apatow, wif his wittle wisp . MOVE YOUR TOUNGE OUT THE WAY . LAME
@@WeaverBeats2lol ehhh doubt it . u or one of your deekryders prolly reported it . and as much dumb off base takes u have on actual technical matters (ESPECIALLY video production) id watch that RE word . u need to REtake a class lol or TWO. you def won't crack 100,000 this year maybe not even next year. and I hope u figure out y
weaver your vocabulary is very low... lol that's why you have a hard time talking for 8 minutes . go read. bwb went to college. things like "learning" help you talk longer and better
the “producer community” is a bunch of beat makers selling each other loops and recycled drums, who cares, producergrind is a pod and it seems like dyllan and the crew have a good relationship with cymatics
The random ‘Hey Busy’ is always funny to me 😂
Him being in the stream chat for this had me rolling too 😂
Seeing BWB discuss somebody being cool or uncool is like watching Carlton Banks recite NWA lyrics
Tbh, Steven Cymatics never really was a "for the love of music" type person.. but more of a businessman. His interview w PG a while ago really tells you everything about him as a person. Dude is very well informed on business and gave out a lot of free game, but I dont feel like he is for the producer community. He's more so in it for the money, and looks at everyone as dollar signs. He's making money moves tho lol
you could swap in bwb instead of "steven cymatics" and this paragraph works the exact same.
@@WeaverBeats2lolyeah as someone who is not as informed about all the intermingled drama, I remember consuming bwb stuff the same way as I’ve consumed Cymatics stuff. I live in Madison, I’ve known Pain and Baldhead and ScatteredBrains and a number of other producers who I’ve gotten game from for beatmaking specifics from time to time, but bwb and cymantics (to me at least) has always been like oh they have some helpful videos, they give out some free packs, you can buy stuff from them. Like weaver and ave are ones you go to for like “how do you do (whatever)”
He's the Alex Hormozi of music.
seeing producergrind being bought by cymatics made me sigh its about to be gentrified
The level of inception between busy watching busy inside of weaver while in weaver chat as weaver also sometimes sprinkles in weaver and the busy video inside the busy video has its own chat as well as the putter busy video has a chat as well as the overlying weaver video having a chat that busy is in 😂
Busyception
I have never seen BWB or Cymatics play or track an instrument into their DAW at all which is why I respect creators like Kaelin Ellis or Elijah Fox more. They give a glimpse into the process and the music that flows out of them in that particular moment or fleshing out an idea. I feel no musicality when watching BWB or Steven.
I am dragging in the loops and nobody can stop me (sinister laugh)
Most people who hate on loops because they’re “cheating” would still find a way to mess it up if they tried. I see them like training wheels, it’s good to take them off once you’re comfortable riding. But people spend years unable to ride the bike criticizing other people like “Well at least I don’t use training wheels”. Meanwhile everybody rides their bikes around them laughing and having fun, training wheels or not.
33:27 really shows that I got absolutely nothing to do 😂 “Watching Weaver watching Busy watching Busy” 💀💀
Hear me out...if these companies included him into the deal to make x amount of dollars would he still be mad. The gripe is the deal, maybe behind the scenes he tried to get on the deal and was told no. this is more a one sides discussion.
Love watching these dude! Weaver is a boss!!
I’ve got a lot of value out of producergrind over the years and they quite literally put me on and got me my first placement. My heart sank when I saw that Cymatics had acquired them. Cymatics is good for beginners that aren’t invested in actually getting better at their craft and want to use super static and over Compressed sounding generic melodies. I’m not saying they aren’t a solid resource for beginners or that you can’t get success using their products but it it’s more of a quantity over quality advertising type thing. It always felt like to me they’re just pumping stuff out for the sake of making money and don’t really care about providing that much value to the producer community. Maybe that’s not fair of me to characterize it like that, but I don’t view this as a good thing.
Ave Mcree did a live stream and discussed the issue with Cymatics.
BWB is cringe AF.
@7:00 Did he make that Beige plugin trolling Curtis? I watched him for a second showing what the plug in does then about a hour later Curtis had a live watch party for his new album Beige
bro let the fucking video play damn
Cymatics emails are whack
At the 43 minute mark, when talking about iZotope, should've said "Izotope makes Trash" instead of garbage
The whole 500 copies of sounds pack, is about licenses. I see what cymatics is trying to do but it does seem scammy. They are trying to get you to purchase a “limited supply” of loops, so they can get sales
This is like trashing Opera and being mad she takes down your guest appearance on her network. She doesn't owe you anything, and Steven doesn't either. Businessman or not you're still dealing with humans. You can't throw 💩 at someone and expect them to eat it. He's just bitter
Opera? 😂😂😂
BWB keeps talking about protecting the producer community, but does it even need protection?
Can you imagine being stuck in a room with BWB? That dude is EXHAUSTING
Every story he tells frames him as the center of the universe. Taking down my interview is the erasure of culture. Only a few people are looking out for the community like I am. blah blah blah
All these companies have a predatory vibe
They do and are and have. I'm also just not a huge fan of this preset thing. I like presets too, but I also change them. Turns out. All of folks don't. It funnels music into a certain direction and it funnels exploration into a certain direction. I remember back in like 2016 and stuff people were able to pick out Omnisphere presets.
Okay well that was an hour of pure nothingness
youre welcome!
13:38 and I can't take no more. How do you get into a conspiracy behind a snare drum, an 808, a reverb, a ping pong delay? So Cringe.
Really just sounds like he’s hating on Steven for doing the shit he would do.
Busy is forever projecting.
Cymatics Diablo Drums plugin is legitly pretty useful, i was skeptical and i couldnt get it to sound that great than i realized right clicking on each knob gave a 2nd value to adjust. I love it now and ditched all other drum plugins. I also pirated it in full disclosure
I feel like theres so much info going into this on BWB's side its almost like he's almost overloaded with his thoughts and what he knows. I mean if you listen to him, he hits some valid points, but all the things he puts out seems like a lot of build up. Not to say he's wrong, but it just feels like a lot that hes built up and is letting out. We have also seen Steven's video where he initially makes us think that hes going to just come out and say he bought producergrind, but instead says he's been running cymatics for 9 years 16 seconds into his video which was obviously edited instead of just saying "we bought producergrind". after a whole bunch of blah blah blah, at 2:47 he says they "acquired producergrind".
"why is he talking about haiti if we are in america" LMFAOOO IM CRYINN. kick this dude from chat rn
That’s because he’s right. Esp when the white culture is known for doing this shit till this day
the projection is crazy
Where's my twenty four dollars busy😂
BWB 100 tries to push the producer community term as a power play; he can't address everyone down as easily without. All part of that dangerous level of Dunning Kruger he got. Edit: and what makes him a self-professed leader? I know he believes it, but why? Delusion?
Economic Hitman is a good book, which I would highly recommend. BWB's analogy to the practises shown in that book is a stretch though. He does like to babble on, like the ChatGPT of TH-camrs.
I’m a big fan of soundoracle, heard about him a long time ago. He has really good courses and sound kits no cap
Hes just mad his video got taken down.. his ego just can't handle that..
I know nothing of the back story or the characters involved so to say I’m confused is a massive understatement
Can't stand BWB, he hasn't got a clue.
1:54 that was too funny😂
BWB is hilarious!!!!
weaver you a legend....
You couldn't wait to put bwb name in some content huh??
I stopped buying cymatics packs a while ago! I recommend production music live instead
You damn kids! Back in my day, we played with Hot Wheels!
Who tf gives a sht about BWB's opinions?? 😂
Ngl Cymatics carried me. Their free kits helped me so much😭
Steven from Cymatics is the new Producer President, this video encouraged me to buy a Cymatics sample pack for the 1st time ever just to support the ´real´ President )
The HotWheels Community 100% exists, its usually old men (50-60+) stocking up on literally THOUSANDS of them, seen it first hand many times lmao
yeah theres also the side where they make crazy tracks.
Booooooooy he's MAD 😂😂😂😂😂 i don't think he realizes he's projecting how scummy he actually is right along with them recyclers 😂
Can’t even stream without the weirdo coming and making sure he doesn’t say anything bad lol
I looked up hot wheels community on yt and it’s real
Producergrind snares about to get ANNOYING 🤔
Producergrind marketing strategy was poor but god knows what made them accept the offer to be sold it would be more believable if was PG acquiring Cymatics
You have no clue how business works
You can only buy one hot wheels per store hot wheels are massive
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take work beats wording as this, customers = producer community
STLNDRMS does recycle sounds (despite the name)
Weaver Reacts😂
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
anytime someone says 'community'.....zzzzzzzzz.
In all the drum packs I’ve “acquired” (808/Trap Variety) I swear they’ve all sounded like they are reselling others shit and selling it as their own.
cant tell if this is satire or not but this dude is weird ashi minimizing everything
ngl Weaver + BWB collaboration would be fire!!
lmao
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This guy really doesnt like BWB . to be honest.....i thhink this guy just doesnt really like black creators in general....he doesnt do this shit with anybody else
@@less_tress to be fair he had smoke for teatro over unison audio. I will say though It is a bit weird seeing the guy who advocate for transparency in the community when it comes to plugins and sample packs. But also doesn’t believe there really is a producer community.
Other black creators don’t get along with BWB. If you spend enough time watching him you’ll see how he falls out with almost everyone he works with. He’s the common denominator.
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Producer Community is a real thing... Maybe you just don't foster one? Someone like Bishu does.
Also just saying, but Hot wheels and Hot wheel tracks is a legit community and they do some crazy things like making a hot wheel car go like 60 mph, but yeah.
izotope doesnt need producers 😭😭😭😭. they are making audio software, not fucking beats. if you want a cut of the pie, make your own dam plugins and sell them, good look.
oh you just said that, oops wasnt even in that part of the video yet
I ALWAYS skip Cymatics when I get my pirate on Aarrrgh
and bwb literally helped carve out this entire niche market on youtube that WEAVER feeds hisself with. weaver makes content commenting on stuff ppl like bwb started . honestly bwb has all rights to call out anybody in this space he feels like .
Nah. This implies that without busyworks none of this would’ve been possible, which is honestly some next level glazing. The TH-cam producer scene existed wayy before he came around and don’t forget it’s more than just trap/hip-hop producers out there. Many started in other genres.
Lets be honest this is bwb on an alt
@@tanakatsuro u just a nut rider. I said he "helped" carve out. than I said "PPL LIKE bwb" because he was MADDD EARLY there's really no debating that
WEAVER DELETES COMMENTS WHEN ITS REAL SMOKE, THIS AINT BUSY BROKE BOI.
WEAVER DELETED 3 of my comments cause he mad I'm a real opppack smoker and not BWB . GG WIFI stomping on u clones. is it me or do weaver Venus theory and ben Jordan look the same . Venus theory the best out of those three doe . ben is 2nd . weaver Is 12th cause he's like an even less funny version of Judd apatow, wif his wittle wisp . MOVE YOUR TOUNGE OUT THE WAY . LAME
I ain't delete anything you probably got caught in the filter retard
@@WeaverBeats2lol ehhh doubt it . u or one of your deekryders prolly reported it . and as much dumb off base takes u have on actual technical matters (ESPECIALLY video production) id watch that RE word . u need to REtake a class lol or TWO. you def won't crack 100,000 this year maybe not even next year. and I hope u figure out y
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weaver your vocabulary is very low... lol that's why you have a hard time talking for 8 minutes . go read. bwb went to college. things like "learning" help you talk longer and better
Can’t even stream without the weirdo coming and making sure he doesn’t say anything bad lol