Welcome to Pathfinder 2e Everyone! Some clarifications and edits for the video. I will add and update this pinned comment as needed: - *Pathfinder Remaster*: Any time I mention the Core Rulebook or the Gamemastery Guide in this video, replace those books with the Player Core and GM Core books respectively. - The Secrets of Magic book also includes the Magus and Summoner Class. - I incorrectly referred to the Wander's Guide site as the Wayfairer's Guide in the video. My apologies to the folks at the wanderersguide.app for the mistake! - If you pick up a physical copy of the rulebook, try and find the most recent printing. But if you pick up an older print version, you can find all the errata and changes here: paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
12:25 listed as a chapter, but to reiterate, all Pathfinder rules are freely available, go to this timestamp to make sure it has high enough engagement that people checking out from the material promotion still see it.
Oh man, it wasn’t until this video that I realised just how much I hate AOO in 5e. As soon as you said about how it’s different in P2e it was a lightbulb moment that that combined with the three action thing fixes so much of what frustrates me about 5e combat!
My group is ironically making the transition from pathfinder 1e to 2e, but i guess we picked a really good time for it because there are so many new guides to the system!!
I highly recommend the Pathbuilder 2 app for making characters. The basic app is free and offers almost all features and is regularly updated. The purchased version is only a few bucks and only needs to be payed once.
I really wish Paizo would release a Pathfinder 2.5e in which the level of crunch is reduced to roughly where 5e is, or maybe even slightly less. I love the level of customization via feats and the way the action economy works, but it still feels like there are a few more mechanics to learn upfront than I would like. It's not Shadowrun or anything, but it is still kind of a lot.
Itsfunneh all the things you mentioned to get because I ordered the beginner box from Amazon. Then I got the core book and the other book you mentioned that continues the core book. Trouble from ontari. Think. I have those from paizo
i would love to buy the pocket core rule book buuuut it is hard to get it in europe right now ^^ amazon just let me know it will be in April and i have no clue if this is pulled right out of amazons a**... dreams. and import from paizo directly is as much import cost as is the book itself.. but i understand. paizo could not know that "some" competition would send so many new customers over ^^ *edit* and i know all rules are free and PDFs are always there but at least the core rules, especially as DM should be printed versions. edit 2* question, when i find a version in a shop, where do i look up what print it is? i mean if the newest erate is in or not.
For the record, Paizo just released the 4th Printing of the Core Rulebook. It can definitely be purchased on their website. But if you are looking at it in a shop, you’ll want to make sure it is the 4th Printing.
@@Captainpigraven Thanks for the clarification! If you pick up an earlier version, all the changes between that and the current version are listed here: paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
Even if they don't have one tomorrow there is HIGHLY likely to be one there sooner rather than later, latest being late April early May, they have been doing one around that time(they have their own convention called PaizoCon, which is May 23-28 this year) for a few years from what I have heard over the last couple of years! Just be sure to adjust sliders if your worried about where the money is going!
Secrets of Magic also adds two more classes: the Magus and the Summoner. Personally I'd prioritise character option books but obviously if your player's are new to the system, it might be best to not overwhelm them with too many choices.
I'm still going to use advantage/disadvantage in PF2. It's an awesome mechanic for situations that are outside the rules but still deserving of modification.
I am always impressed by your excitement and your knowledge of gaming. I have some thoughts about PF2 that I think are important to mention. This comment is regarding the fact that you mentioned when you add your level to your stats you get stronger. This is not necessarily true I have found. Pathfinder 2e is designed to scale as you level. Since you add your level to just about everything and the game does the same to monster and other level based opponent/components. This means that at Level 1 you might need a natural 10+ your modifiers to hit a monster that is appropriate to you. This mechanic doesn’t change as you level up. Your attack modifier includes your level, and the monsters armor class includes it’s level. So, say you’re level 10, you would still need a natural 10 + your attack modifiers but now you add +10 for your level because the monsters AC includes its level. The numbers get bigger but the dice dynamics don’t change. You’re not getting stronger because the entire game scales with you. There is a built in 9 or 10 level range of threat. 4 below and about 5 above your current level. So an enemy that is more than 4 levels below you can’t harm you. Not a million of them. And you can’t threaten or harm an enemy more than 5 or 6 levels above you. You simply can not score a hit mechanically. Ever. This has always left me feeling like the game had lost some of its organics. But it is the design. I will say that because of this design, when you create an encounter for PF2 that’s appropriate for the current group level, it’s more often going to be accurate. Also, the Gamemastery guide offers the option to not add your level to your stats. It gives some suggestions on how to manage your game doing this. And this is how I run my game so it’s really the best of both worlds. but I do have to say that I disagree that because you’re adding your level you get stronger; you don’t. It’s just scaling the game with a nine level range of PF2s design, and it works. One more comment. Combat in PF2 is dynamic, tactical and fun I like the 3 action economy. I could play this game just like a miniatures game for the tactical combat. Combat in PF2 makes you think and gives you choices. I like that. Peace and happy gaming.😊
You're not wrong! When I say "getting stronger" what I really mean is "your numbers get bigger" which is what a lot of folks, in my experience, equate to "getting stronger" in a TTRPG. You know, the fighter who would rather another couple points of damage versus a magic weapon with an interesting ability, because more damage = more better! But you're spot on about the encounter building in PF2 being pretty damn solid. You throw a severe encounter at the players and it will be a genuine challenge most of the time!
If you are looking for something close to D&D Beyond I would recommend Herolab Online. It has character creation and campaign management. It also has content sharing at the patron level. It is also cheaper than D&D Beyond.
Thanks! You continue to create high quality, no-nonsense work. My core rulebook arrived yesterday and I'm reading through it. Some great game mechanics in it, especially determining the degree of success.
While you're learning, I'd recommend getting some sticky notes to mark pages that have rules you keep needing to reference! Makes things so much easier!
I get that we are speaking with our wallets, but kinda obnoxious (and a disservice to Paizo imo) to have a long section on what all you suggest buying before mentioning every rule is made freely available. Like, really obnoxious actually- check your retainment on how many people checked out before you finished selling to them and didn't come back.
@@IcarusGames you're a creator, you know there is generally a steady fall off of views throughout videos, and if you suggest books before telling people it's all there for free, many won't get to that part. My criticism stands.
@@mjp121 You're welcome to your criticism. I actually have a video dedicated to playing PF2 for free coming next week, so it will have an entire video dedicated to it!
If your new to Pathfinder Alchemist is a bit of task as it takes a LOT of knowledge to play, it's also Multi Attribute Dependent(or MAD as people have come to call it)! But once you get the hang of things it looks like it can be AMAZING!
Sticking to anything just because you've spent money on it (sunk cost fallacy) is generally a terrible reason not to change. I've been making the change over to PF2 since the middle of last year in terms of my homebrew game and content here on the channel. But the answer to your question is a lot. Every site that deals with PF2 has seen record traffic in the last two weeks, which I've seen in the viewing patterns of folks watching my PF2 content.
I know, I know, I know.... just don't do it. It's a world of +2/-2's. It's a complete nightmare for the DM. PLUS the characters add their levels to the ability checks so by level 10 they automatically pass every ability check.... it's SOOOOO broken.
As someone that has GM'd a level 1-20 PF1 camapgin, a level 1-20 5e campaign, and now plays PF2, I personally find the system to be a dream. I really appreciate having a mechanical backing for everything I need and knowing when I have a question, its almost certainly going to be answered by the rules so that I don't need to hit up the design team on twitter for clarification. Characters add their levels to things their are proficient and trained in, that's true, but the DCs also rise by level, so they only automatically pass things that would make sense, otherwise level-appropriate DCs rise alongside character advancement to continue to present challenge.
I can't tell if this is satire, a serious concern, or just the standard complaint from NON-Pathfinder players jumping on the hate bandwagon! I will admit, it feels more like satire based on the "...it's SOOOOO broken." part!
As a PF2e forever GM since it’s inception, I’m so confused by the OP’s comment. This system is a dream to run. The mechanics take care of themselves. The DCs rise to match the character level increases. There are only a small handful of situations where this does not happen, like Aid. But while Aid becomes very powerful at higher levels, it’s still offset by needing to spend two actions (one on your turn, and your reaction in that round). I’m also unsure about the +2/-2 comment. Is this a reference to fluctuating bonuses such as Status and Circumstance bonuses? Because yes, those are a thing. But monster ACs and Saves elevate accordingly, keeping everything balanced as you move up into high level play. At higher levels of play when bonuses/penalties increase from +1 to +2 (sometimes +3) it becomes a bit easier to hit on your second attack, sure. But enemies are balanced well enough that it’s fine. More importantly, monsters can be absolutely brutal offensively, so inflicting penalties to their attacks, reducing the amount of actions per turn, and eliminating their reactions all become very important options.
The math is mainly there imo to make sure higher level monsters and challenges are actually threatening to lower level players rather than running right through them. For example Assurance only consistently works when you are facing creatures of a lower level than you.
I think it's free WITH A PURCHASE! Though they are also doing a holiday sale AND have the OPENGAMING code that will give you 25% OFF the Core Rulebook, Pocket Edition of the Core book, and the Beginner Box! I'm not sure when the OPENGAMING code ends though, it might have already!
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We just transitioned to the Pathfinder2e and your videos are immensely helpful. Thank you for great content and keep up the good work!
Great to hear it! I hope you enjoy PF2!
Waiting on some funds to come in then im buying the core rules book✌🏼
Excited for this journey.
Dnd for life yo!!
If you and your group are happy with D&D, keep playing the game you enjoy.
Welcome to Pathfinder 2e Everyone!
Some clarifications and edits for the video. I will add and update this pinned comment as needed:
- *Pathfinder Remaster*: Any time I mention the Core Rulebook or the Gamemastery Guide in this video, replace those books with the Player Core and GM Core books respectively.
- The Secrets of Magic book also includes the Magus and Summoner Class.
- I incorrectly referred to the Wander's Guide site as the Wayfairer's Guide in the video. My apologies to the folks at the wanderersguide.app for the mistake!
- If you pick up a physical copy of the rulebook, try and find the most recent printing. But if you pick up an older print version, you can find all the errata and changes here: paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
The Grand Bazaar is also a must-have there are so many good items and amazing shops with really cool unique NPC owners
Grand Bazaar is a great book. Being able to take the whole shop and drop it into your world is so useful!
Running my first session of PF2E in about an hour, I've spent all week trying to learn the system, so here's hoping it goes well
Best of luck! I'm sure you'll have a blast!
How did it go?
@@gordonbailey9897 pretty well, in all my time playing 5e I've never had players get nearly as creative in combat as they did in that session.
These videos are great to use when showing off Pathfinder to my groups - very clean and clear presentation.
Please keep them coming!
That's the plan! I want to help as many folks as possible!
12:25 listed as a chapter, but to reiterate, all Pathfinder rules are freely available, go to this timestamp to make sure it has high enough engagement that people checking out from the material promotion still see it.
Oh man, it wasn’t until this video that I realised just how much I hate AOO in 5e. As soon as you said about how it’s different in P2e it was a lightbulb moment that that combined with the three action thing fixes so much of what frustrates me about 5e combat!
100%
There are still some combats that can be "sticky" if a lot of the enemies have AoO, but broadly it's a lot more loose.
I would love to see more people talk about Starfinder
As soon as I can convince my regular group to play, then I will cover the s#!t out of it!
I just picked up the core rules and the book of the dead. I’m looking forward to getting in this game and checking out more cool books.
I really enjoyed Book of the Dead. Geb is such an interesting location!
My group is ironically making the transition from pathfinder 1e to 2e, but i guess we picked a really good time for it because there are so many new guides to the system!!
I highly recommend the Pathbuilder 2 app for making characters. The basic app is free and offers almost all features and is regularly updated. The purchased version is only a few bucks and only needs to be payed once.
Excellent video, very to the point.
Before you buy the Pathfinder Core Rulebook, you need at least a Strength score of 12 because the damn thing is so heavy.
Good timing as Im boycotting anything, Hasbro, WotC. A new adventure begins with Pf2e
I've been watching a lot of your videos and for some reason I thought I was already subscribed. Guess not. Well I fixed it. LOL
Okay.. so what im gathering.. the editions are just the same with different ways to say things and different catagories for the same things
I really wish Paizo would release a Pathfinder 2.5e in which the level of crunch is reduced to roughly where 5e is, or maybe even slightly less. I love the level of customization via feats and the way the action economy works, but it still feels like there are a few more mechanics to learn upfront than I would like. It's not Shadowrun or anything, but it is still kind of a lot.
Itsfunneh all the things you mentioned to get because I ordered the beginner box from Amazon. Then I got the core book and the other book you mentioned that continues the core book. Trouble from ontari. Think. I have those from paizo
i would love to buy the pocket core rule book buuuut it is hard to get it in europe right now ^^ amazon just let me know it will be in April and i have no clue if this is pulled right out of amazons a**... dreams.
and import from paizo directly is as much import cost as is the book itself.. but i understand. paizo could not know that "some" competition would send so many new customers over ^^
*edit*
and i know all rules are free and PDFs are always there but at least the core rules, especially as DM should be printed versions.
edit 2*
question, when i find a version in a shop, where do i look up what print it is? i mean if the newest erate is in or not.
I believe on the same page that has the credits and/or OGL should list the printing, and Paizo's errata page should tell you the current printing.
For the record, Paizo just released the 4th Printing of the Core Rulebook. It can definitely be purchased on their website. But if you are looking at it in a shop, you’ll want to make sure it is the 4th Printing.
@@Captainpigraven Thanks for the clarification! If you pick up an earlier version, all the changes between that and the current version are listed here: paizo.com/pathfinder/faq
This was a PHENOMENAL intro video, concise and easy understandable. What a good intro into PF2e!!
Glad you liked it!
Do not forget to unsuscribe from wotc hasbro and dndbegone email lists
Supposedly a bundle is supposed to be up on Humble Bundle tomorrow for PF2E. Great timing for all the new people jumping on board!
I too have heard this rumor whispered in the dark alleys of the internet. The people say there's a whole O.R.C bonanza in the works but we'll see.
Even if they don't have one tomorrow there is HIGHLY likely to be one there sooner rather than later, latest being late April early May, they have been doing one around that time(they have their own convention called PaizoCon, which is May 23-28 this year) for a few years from what I have heard over the last couple of years!
Just be sure to adjust sliders if your worried about where the money is going!
Now if only there were people where I am. A wasteland for in person tabletop.
Great video! I can only encourage people trying to get the good (pathfinder) word out there!
welcome to pathfinder friends!!
Secrets of Magic also adds two more classes: the Magus and the Summoner. Personally I'd prioritise character option books but obviously if your player's are new to the system, it might be best to not overwhelm them with too many choices.
I don't know how this managed to completely slip through my brain, but excellent point!
Realy pathfinder
have you played official adventures? how are they compared to 5e? pls dont tell me that they are organized in the same horrible way
I haven't played any of them personally but from what I've heard they are laid out much better.
Useful content 👍
Best video explaining the core system of Pathfinder i have ever seen! (= insta sub)
I'm still going to use advantage/disadvantage in PF2. It's an awesome mechanic for situations that are outside the rules but still deserving of modification.
Love the sign in the background. :)
Concise and clear, great info. Thanks!
This was very helpful. Thank you!
I am always impressed by your excitement and your knowledge of gaming. I have some thoughts about PF2 that I think are important to mention. This comment is regarding the fact that you mentioned when you add your level to your stats you get stronger. This is not necessarily true I have found.
Pathfinder 2e is designed to scale as you level. Since you add your level to just about everything and the game does the same to monster and other level based opponent/components. This means that at Level 1 you might need a natural 10+ your modifiers to hit a monster that is appropriate to you. This mechanic doesn’t change as you level up.
Your attack modifier includes your level, and the monsters armor class includes it’s level. So, say you’re level 10, you would still need a natural 10 + your attack modifiers but now you add +10 for your level because the monsters AC includes its level. The numbers get bigger but the dice dynamics don’t change.
You’re not getting stronger because the entire game scales with you. There is a built in 9 or 10 level range of threat. 4 below and about 5 above your current level. So an enemy that is more than 4 levels below you can’t harm you. Not a million of them. And you can’t threaten or harm an enemy more than 5 or 6 levels above you. You simply can not score a hit mechanically. Ever.
This has always left me feeling like the game had lost some of its organics. But it is the design. I will say that because of this design, when you create an encounter for PF2 that’s appropriate for the current group level, it’s more often going to be accurate.
Also, the Gamemastery guide offers the option to not add your level to your stats. It gives some suggestions on how to manage your game doing this. And this is how I run my game so it’s really the best of both worlds. but I do have to say that I disagree that because you’re adding your level you get stronger; you don’t. It’s just scaling the game with a nine level range of PF2s design, and it works.
One more comment. Combat in PF2 is dynamic, tactical and fun I like the 3 action economy. I could play this game just like a miniatures game for the tactical combat. Combat in PF2 makes you think and gives you choices. I like that.
Peace and happy gaming.😊
You're not wrong! When I say "getting stronger" what I really mean is "your numbers get bigger" which is what a lot of folks, in my experience, equate to "getting stronger" in a TTRPG.
You know, the fighter who would rather another couple points of damage versus a magic weapon with an interesting ability, because more damage = more better!
But you're spot on about the encounter building in PF2 being pretty damn solid. You throw a severe encounter at the players and it will be a genuine challenge most of the time!
Nice intro, thanks for doing it!
Thanks for the guide, you have gained a new suscriber!
Awesome, thank you!
If you are looking for something close to D&D Beyond I would recommend Herolab Online. It has character creation and campaign management. It also has content sharing at the patron level. It is also cheaper than D&D Beyond.
Thank you for this. It helps converting over.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this! I, like so many others, am in the transition phase now and really appreciate this information!
Glad it was helpful!
Good stuff
Thanks! You continue to create high quality, no-nonsense work. My core rulebook arrived yesterday and I'm reading through it. Some great game mechanics in it, especially determining the degree of success.
While you're learning, I'd recommend getting some sticky notes to mark pages that have rules you keep needing to reference! Makes things so much easier!
@@IcarusGames Great idea! I'll do that.
I get that we are speaking with our wallets, but kinda obnoxious (and a disservice to Paizo imo) to have a long section on what all you suggest buying before mentioning every rule is made freely available. Like, really obnoxious actually- check your retainment on how many people checked out before you finished selling to them and didn't come back.
It's all laid out in video chapters so folks can jump around to the parts relevent to them.
@@IcarusGames you're a creator, you know there is generally a steady fall off of views throughout videos, and if you suggest books before telling people it's all there for free, many won't get to that part. My criticism stands.
@@mjp121 You're welcome to your criticism. I actually have a video dedicated to playing PF2 for free coming next week, so it will have an entire video dedicated to it!
I need to play a goblin alchemist, damn it!
If your new to Pathfinder Alchemist is a bit of task as it takes a LOT of knowledge to play, it's also Multi Attribute Dependent(or MAD as people have come to call it)! But once you get the hang of things it looks like it can be AMAZING!
Curious as to how many DMs not trying to signal boost on YT are abandoning the money they spent on 5e to dig into PF?
That feels like an accusation rather than question!
Sticking to anything just because you've spent money on it (sunk cost fallacy) is generally a terrible reason not to change.
I've been making the change over to PF2 since the middle of last year in terms of my homebrew game and content here on the channel.
But the answer to your question is a lot. Every site that deals with PF2 has seen record traffic in the last two weeks, which I've seen in the viewing patterns of folks watching my PF2 content.
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I know, I know, I know.... just don't do it. It's a world of +2/-2's. It's a complete nightmare for the DM.
PLUS the characters add their levels to the ability checks so by level 10 they automatically pass every ability check.... it's SOOOOO broken.
As someone that has GM'd a level 1-20 PF1 camapgin, a level 1-20 5e campaign, and now plays PF2, I personally find the system to be a dream. I really appreciate having a mechanical backing for everything I need and knowing when I have a question, its almost certainly going to be answered by the rules so that I don't need to hit up the design team on twitter for clarification.
Characters add their levels to things their are proficient and trained in, that's true, but the DCs also rise by level, so they only automatically pass things that would make sense, otherwise level-appropriate DCs rise alongside character advancement to continue to present challenge.
I can't tell if this is satire, a serious concern, or just the standard complaint from NON-Pathfinder players jumping on the hate bandwagon! I will admit, it feels more like satire based on the "...it's SOOOOO broken." part!
As a PF2e forever GM since it’s inception, I’m so confused by the OP’s comment. This system is a dream to run. The mechanics take care of themselves.
The DCs rise to match the character level increases. There are only a small handful of situations where this does not happen, like Aid. But while Aid becomes very powerful at higher levels, it’s still offset by needing to spend two actions (one on your turn, and your reaction in that round).
I’m also unsure about the +2/-2 comment. Is this a reference to fluctuating bonuses such as Status and Circumstance bonuses? Because yes, those are a thing. But monster ACs and Saves elevate accordingly, keeping everything balanced as you move up into high level play.
At higher levels of play when bonuses/penalties increase from +1 to +2 (sometimes +3) it becomes a bit easier to hit on your second attack, sure. But enemies are balanced well enough that it’s fine. More importantly, monsters can be absolutely brutal offensively, so inflicting penalties to their attacks, reducing the amount of actions per turn, and eliminating their reactions all become very important options.
The math is mainly there imo to make sure higher level monsters and challenges are actually threatening to lower level players rather than running right through them. For example Assurance only consistently works when you are facing creatures of a lower level than you.
Good video as always b y the way lost omen world guide is free com Lazio thru Jan 25th
I think it's free WITH A PURCHASE! Though they are also doing a holiday sale AND have the OPENGAMING code that will give you 25% OFF the Core Rulebook, Pocket Edition of the Core book, and the Beginner Box! I'm not sure when the OPENGAMING code ends though, it might have already!