Can BF 4.3 make my iFlight Evoque F6 fly as good as a 5"
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0:00 - This quad flies SO MUCH better on BF 4.3.
0:41 - I'm not QUITE using the BF 4.3 defaults
How to download and flash BF 4.3 - • Betaflight 4.3 Install...
My BF 4.3 tuning guide: • Betaflight 4.3 PID tun...
Betaflight 4.3 safe migration tool - bf43-safe-migration.robertode...
5:36 - Flight with 4.3 mostly default PIDs
6:41 - I'm going to tune this using the Betaflight Lua script!
7:21 - Flight with P/I gains at 1.4
8:26 - Flight with P/I gains at 2.0
9:01 - Flight with P/I gains at 2.0 and D gains at 1.7
10:23 - Flight with P/I gains at 2.0 and D gains at 2.0
11:25 - Why did we have to go to such extremes with P and D?!
12:14 - Flight with FF gains at 1.5 and iterm relax at 10
17:01 - You can try BF 4.3 today!
Thank you Joshua of the future, Joshua of the present, and Joshua of the past. I have four different Nazguls, including the Evoque6, and each of them are the best flying drones in my quad squadron.
My F6D is on the way from iFlight and I am pumped!!! In my short venture into FPV this far, my research has brought to this - a long ranger with a perfect mix of one great freestyle capabilities (at least for now, I plan on doing my own builds soon) ... thanks for this great video expanding my bravery for changing bf settings I never dared to change before!
11:00 - LOL looks "KISS good".
Pump up Anti-Gravity to 10 or 15 and throbbles will be mint. AG is so easy to tune now. If you go to high, you will immediately know it as the quad will oscillate when you move the throttle rapidly. Move it up till just below that point and not KISS'ish throbbles.
Followed your directions and my quad is on the moon now. Did not catch Joshua from the future to tell me to set to 20... j/k
Awesome I have always liked this form factor for longer cruise flights.
Awesome, Joshua! Thanks a bunch for all the tips! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
thank you Joshua, I just got this drone and now I gonna do this, update to BF 4,3. 😁
Learning is fun with JB 😁
Nice!
Gonna do this to my F6 too!
Thanks Joshua! :)
Thanks for sharing this. I think 6" needs more love and attention.
i've been 'freestyling a 6" on 4.3" for the last 3 months or so, im having a blast! its my first full size full build though so im kinda biased/not biased enough
Great stick skills are also useful.
The Betaflight Lua script letting you change all the PID tuning from the radio is a really neat feature. I'm always reticent to carry a laptop and opening it in the grass or dirt, so that's really neat.
11:44 the only reason I remembered to hit the LIKE 👍 button is because you reminded me. Great vid Bardwell.
Like the tuning by radio. Thats kinda cool
Too cool Mr. quad chopper engineer !
This was interesting to see how to tune for a larger quad. Could you also do one for a smaller one like a 3.5”?
From my 7 years experiences, the ultimate maneuver to test PID tuning is rapid 90° roll or flip, as fast as you can. If you do it continuously on either the same or opposite turning direction (roll 90° right then roll 90° left) then it would also test how hot the motors can be from flying. If the PID is off, motors can be really hot even with just 2-3 times of this maneuver. I have 2 six inches KISS quads with small motors(2208) that fly great in almost any maneuver but this 90° rapid roll or flip. I give up on finer tuning them. It is interesting how would your great flying, BF4.3, 6 inch quad perform doing this 90° maneuver.
I've got an old geprc 230 flyfish on 4.3. Very light and I run Mark Spatz 5 inch preset with 6 inch probs. It's a beast. Superb. I can do a full 180 at top speed with no propwash.
my favorite legend is Joshua from the future ,and yes i love this episode . would love to see more
Always 1 to 1 on the P @ D ratio 😜 love the information bro
Hi Joshua, the information and interesting help you give us are professional but also funny! Is the frame Crushed or DeadCat? (have you comments about this different geometries?)
SOOOO EXCITED!!!
I think you should try using 6 inch 2 blades propeller (like ethix K2, etc)
The Nazgul5's always flew better than the evoques. Though I have 2 bardwell qavs frames with BLITZ stacks in them, and they fly great.
I have only one stack that is un-tuneable (for me). I am going to try 4.3. Thanks for the video.
Could you please make a video on how to update the Tx BF Lua? thanks and keep on the great work!
it's amazing when u can tuning you quad with RC, I want to know a bit more about that script.
I was looking for a link to the Betaflight LUA nightly builds and that's why I came here to watch the video a second time :)
If I find a link I'll post it :)
Dang !! Effin legend !!
I love the 6 inch quads. Bugger is better. 👍🍻
Awesome videos. Btw. You freestyle a 6" better than a 5" 😂. Think you may like the loftyness
Is GLP2 even necessary on 4.3 RPM filter on typical MPU6x/non-BMI gyro? Evidently 4.3 dynamic notch is much improved that even without RPM filter you can turn off a lot of filtering compared to 4.2.
What gyro? They sent paper about having to use different target for the new bmi240 (if I got it right) gyro
Found weird stock turn has rpm filter on but bidirectional off
I'm told my nazgul evoque f5 will work with 4s and 6s batteries. The motors are xing2207 at 1745 kv. I thought I had bought a 4s drone but I'm told it fan support 6s as well. Is this true or am I about to smoke my drone? Thanks J.
I bet if you used the K2 bi-blades you'd like 6in a good deal more. I bet you wouldn't need to crank settings up quite as much either... All I fly for freestyle.
Im confused. Was beta flight not already on the quad? Do iFlight quads use something else?
I started off on a 6inch, never saw any reason why it would not be good... my next build is a 5inch and I've had nothing but problems. Sadly barely ever got to fly with the 5inch setup.
Hi Joshua pls help, I have an issue that when my reciever connects to my radio my vtx cuts out, by way I'm using crossfire, did not change anything from last year
heh that 20k RPM idle must of been exciting...
If you raise Idle does that scale up the throttle?
effectively lowering hover lower in throttle ?
say idle is 10%
would 1% on your stick travel now be 11% or is it just 11% until the stick gets to 11%?
Conversely if you lower your idle, would that raise your hover point?
(hope that is clear..)
so if you wanted 40% hover on all your quads.
you could tune with idle rpm.
It maxes at 10k but it was weird why it was descending so slow.
@@JoshuaBardwell LOL, they put a hard max of 10000 in there, smart. what a spectacular idle flyaway 20000 would've been.
Hello from Greece. Does this video apply to the Nazgul5 evoque f6D HD? I am on Betaflight 4.3 official release the quad is super smooth, everything is stock an i would like to reduce the propwash. I am using 6inch props with 3.5 pitch . Thanks for any help 😃😃
i WaS GoInG 2 HiT ThE LiKe BuT iTs aT 420!!!!
anyone can fly it faster I think you could my friend!!! I really need to get out and fly!! the weather is getting nice finally!!! Thanks 4 Another Great Post!!! happy 420
what do you do if betaflight doesnt like what you copied and pasted from the safe migration tool? i get an error message when i hit type save and hit enter
Do tuning with Chris Rosser, UAV Tech, and Brian White via Pid Toolbox all on this quad then review the different approaches and outcomes. Would be especially good since this quad is troublesome.
My approach is very similar to that used by Chris and Mark. The main difference between them is that Chris prefers to tune D first then P, while Mark goes the other way.
@@JoshuaBardwell true. Maybe a blind test then :P
What differences might I find when tuning the f6d compared to the f6x? Thamks
How are you recording the motor noise. I thought you couldn't with DJ I
These little tuning videos are informative but I still can't tell what to look or listen for. As a result, I don't bother. But it would be nice to dial things in a little bit.
From this video 0:02, but a bit off topic - what is that configuration are you using with the DJI goggle foam and nose pads?
I've got it listed here: www.fpvknowitall.com/fpv-shopping-list-dji/#accessories
I can't wrap my head around tuning
I was thinking... since ELRS receivers are so tiny and cheap, can we put two receivers on one quad?
Like Diversity, but for RX.
2 antennas, placed at opposite ends of the quad. FC listens to whichever has the better signal? Redundancy for $20 and 1 gram?
Betaflight does not support multiple receivers, so that's a no-go.
Can someone please help me? I'm new at this. I have a new Nazgul Evoque 5D and it flies great! However i notice when I power loop and recover at the end of the loop it flutters really bad! I'm running without a go pro and a CNHL 1300 mAH battery. Is it too much weight causing this? Other then that its a very snappy fun quad to fly! Before this quad all I flew was KK2 10 plus years ago lol. lots to learn.
I have the following problem, I have a quadrocopter, the following components are installed, Succex F7 twin G flight controller, a board with 50amp controllers on it, Xing 2750KV 2207 motors and 5040 props.
I flew the copter last year with either a 3 or 4S, everything was great.
A few days ago I flew the copter again and was amazed to find that the 4 S batteries dropped from 16.8 volts to 15.8 volts 2-3 seconds after taking off, the same with the 3S lipos, I have 5 Tried different lipos with the same result?
The 1800mah lipos are down to 15 volts after 2 minutes.
I charged the Lipos to storage voltage over the winter.
Something is drawing a lot of electricity here, what can it be??
What is wrong here, is it a defect?
Short circuit, are any wires touching, is there anything defective on the board or the regulators?
The copter flies quite well. As always, the motors run smoothly.
I'm at a loss, can somebody help me?
Nah the motors are probably inefficient
Would anyone recommend to upgrade a cygnet geprc pro to bf 4.3? I'm still on 3.5.7.🤔
What would be suitable Dynamic Idle Value for 7 inch?
What does it do then to the F5?
Please try 7 inches. The efficiency is tremendous.
But can you do the same with deacat 6?
Tried flashing my 7" to 4.3 today.
Was tuned pretty hard on 4.2 with very low filtering.
but on default 4.3 it sounded like a dull saw blade as it flew away to no-mans land 🤷🏼♂️
Didn't touch a single physical thing so it shouldn't become flyaway noisy from plugging in the usb..
Any theory?
I also got a failsafe with my 6" today when my buddy used the agent lite lua on his controller 😳
4.3 Confidence = 0
How do flyaways happen? Can't I just disarm?
Nice, but where can i find le lua script to add the betaflight in my radio ?
github.com/betaflight/betaflight-tx-lua-scripts-nightlies
can u test the mark5 pls?
me, after an afternoon of ripping this exact quad on 4.3 RC3 (with gemfan flash props): **has fun*
JB: you know, you can actually get like 1.3% more performance out of this
me: damn you JB 💜
The flash props? 6042? I ordered 6x3x3 & 6x3.5x3 too to test
Stock props are long range props. 6" long range builds using those
@@divingfalconfpv4602 yeah, 6042. I don't know why, but they make the thing feel weightless compared to stock. I tried the 6x3x3 as well, flash feel better. but that's useless information, it's all subjective. you have to figure out what feels good to you. and definitely use RC6 over RC3 🤣
@@arkaei I tested flash on 7" only didn't use cause I was going max distance / flight time.. flash were a lot more powerful
@@divingfalconfpv4602 agree - probably a bit overkill if you're going for range & time. but if you're within maybe 2km and want to punch out high quickly & then dive... this Nazgûl might just become my mountain surfing rig. or, you know, I'll get overconfident and lose it. definitely gonna trim the side panels because at 1200 I'm a bit worried about that Vista's ability to breathe. how's your experience?
@@arkaei been so busy & weather. I have only did short hover & found out my transmitter battery was at 5.9v 🤣
Hoping for a LR & freestyle mix. Carry hero9 & not lose a lot of flight time.
If this can do both so I don't have to take a few drones I can just take one.
When i set the P/I and D gain to 2.0 in betaflight.. it gives me a warning of "motor damage and quad flyaway".. is that okay?
You've increased the risk of that happening. If you know what symptoms to look for and how to avoid it, then you can tell if it's imminent. If you don't know what symptoms to look for, then it's better to keep them in the "safe" range.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks for making this statement.. yeah my gut feeling told me to put it down a little bit and start from there.. at least i can check the basic stuff like motor temp and so on! Thanks for the reply.. you sir.. are the reason im into FPV!
What kind of controller is that?
How can we get that lua?
Said it on the last video...my best freestyle rig: Apex hd 6", 4.3, 2208.5 or 2506, vista, and gf6030 props. Its magic...easy 5 minutes with GoPro on a 1350 5s. 8 minutes on a 1850 5s. Its so buttery smooth, powerful and just as responsive as my 5" with feedforward and PID's cranked.
Can I ask why 5s? I fly a 6in apex also but on 6s and with 1860kv imperials. Its my favorite freestyle quad also
@StR8KiLLA FPV I started 5s when 6s was still a little sketchy and Stuck with it, also fly mostly 5.5". My electronics seemed to last longer but don't think that is case anymore. I have an apex 6" with imperials (2150kv) as well...Flys great, but the 2208.5 2222kv and 1922kv are 10-20% more efficient and I seem to like a touch better. I was really surprised.
Is this the x or deadcat?
you should put a kiss g4 or ultra in to and compare that to 4.3 😀
1:00 there's no link to your PID tuning guide my man
Oops here it is: th-cam.com/video/dY_q5DVgEms/w-d-xo.html
Sorry.
BF4.3.0 RC5 just came out. What's new?
Every release comes with release notes that detail the changes in the release. github.com/betaflight/betaflight/releases/tag/4.3.0-RC5
Betaflight 4.3 Release Candidate 5 brings the following updates:
Safety Improvements
Added a minimum value of 200ms for failsafe guard time and failsafe recovery time - failsafe_delay in the CLI,
Many improvements to failsafe code
RXLOSS should now only appear in the OSD after a full 100ms of no Rx signal
Default Stage 1 Failsafe period is now 1.5 seconds, close to the Stage 1 period of 1.6s when set to 1.0s in 4.2
Fixes
Fix for DSHOT/Bitbang not holding the line at idle level for the full bit-period
Improved CRSF baud rate negotiation to prevent failsafes
Cleaned up [ELRS/NVIC code] (#11461)
Fixed a bug where saving a profile could falsely trigge a Rx loss warning (for non pwm/ppm protocols)
Configurator
Fix for the spinning model icon in the Receiver tab
Failsafe durations can now be entered in seconds
Updated translations
Fixes for backup and restore buttons
Other small bug fixes
I just built a 6inch and put 2806 on my 6inch I’ll test your motor theory lol
Noice
Joshua the links go to Evoque f5 not f6...why?
Because Banggood, when a product goes out of stock, they just redirect the link to a different product and they don't care if you accidentally buy the wrong product :-(
@@JoshuaBardwell crap.... if I order it from the official site where is it comes from? USA? Cause if yes they add taxes and fees..... from China nothing
How about letting Joshua from the future make the next video? 😆
though you didnt use Betaflight anymore?
What? Why would you think that?
@@JoshuaBardwell because some months ago you told, there was a better succsor to betaflight.
I.... don't think I said that. I released some videos about KISS FC, which some people think is better for freestyle. I didn't say I thought it was better. And I sure didn't say I was never using Betaflight again.
@@JoshuaBardwell okay my bad then. And ye, it was about KISS. What would you use for Cinematic Drones?
Betaflight.
Idle value 2000 * 100... *flies to the moon*... "That's weird."
Why is it that DJI can make a drone land within inches of home and so much more reliable RTH and the Betaflight doesn’t come close?
DJI has a lot more sensors. Optical flow. Downward facing camera. Sonar. Etc. Betaflight has GPS and baro only. Also, Betaflight is not focused on autonomous flight. You might as well ask why DJI is so bad at racing and acro. Each firmware is good at what it's good at.
I notice even my F5D fly much better on B4.3, I had to downgrade due to crossfire problems and the B4.2 sucks now hahaha
Why not just raise master multiplier to 2.0? (instead of P&I and D gain to 2.0 :D same effect). Chris Rosser tuning advice seems ok here :).
I started by raising P/I to see how the P gain alone affected the bounceback. After reaching the limit of that value, I started raising D to try to adjust the P/D balance. That was just how my brain thought about the tuning process.
@@JoshuaBardwell Habits and feeling :) I understand.
You end up with equals value :) then Chris assumption about P I D default ratio are fine for our quads is verified ;).
Now you could raise master to 2.0 (reset P/I and D slider) and then try to increase P/I and D slider to go further :D.
That's a good point. If I were to increase master, I could get higher gains, which I suspect are necessary.
hehe, i was gonna say, it looked worse everytime you changed something.... i get this from almost every pid tuning vid i've ever watched except ibcrazys vid.... ps. it was a 7
Hi Josh
Couldn't you just push the master multiplier... Since you basically did 2.0 on both PI and D...
Yes but at first I didn't know I was going to increase D.
So I don’t want my props idling at 200,000 rpm? WACK
this is no hero 8. Its a 7..... 😋
Try it without the gopro. ??
JB tune my quad please. I will give you money from my wallet 💰
the propwash looks worse on 4.3 than with your 4.2 actually.
Not a fan! Your 6"flies like my 8" my 6 absolutely rips and is just beyond locked. Maybe its the RADIX or the project 399 Steez but man. You should snag a copy of my cli dump.
This hobby turned out to be a total deadfuckin end.
Giggling like a man child at P to D ratio