What should the first army be? Well, that's quite simple, ORKS. Why ? Well, the orcs are forgiving of many painting mistakes. And you can be super creative with them. For example, you can build a whole orc base out of rubbish, and make super easy kitbashs.
I would swap tau for world eaters for the “one phase army” slot , as i think tau can be harder to pilot for beginners you need to know movement and positioning to to decent with them
I would say Ultramarines specifically, especially if you like vanilla armies and characters. 1. You will never need any water transfers. 2. Even in game lore they are the most vanilla so they can “do” pretty much anything, melee army, ranged, vehicle-heavy, psyker, etc. 3. Wide range of named characters.
I’m actually in a very weird position right now…. Where when I started out with minies I said to myself that I won’t play Space Marines, because everyone plays them. But with time, getting more and more bits of different fractions, Tau, Tyranids, CSM, Sister, I start to consider actually just stop overthinking and get an SM army. I’m very inconsistent person, one day I think that Psykers are the coolest thing in universe, other day I’m thinking that tanks are. It really drains me mentally….. Nice video! I really do like the fact that you recommended everything but SM. For reason I completely understand
Hey thanks for that! Really appreciate you taking the time to share your insights/experience. I started with orks, eventually worked my way into Space Wolves and multiple other armies. Many of my friends started with SM...but when I was teaching them to play, it was just overwhelming for them to consider all of the SM choices at play. Personally, I preferred the "charge up the field and smash" approach of orks because it was easy to execute lol, but difficult to stay alive at first. It did allow me to focus on being good at charge/melee though, which provided some focus. We actually discussed this topic on our latest podcast if you are interested. Regardless, thanks again for the comments.
I just recently committed and purchased my first minis to eventually make a full Dark Angels army. Don't overthink it is my advice because I was exactly like you. It is a financial commitment but just start with a couple minis and see if you enjoy their look and painting them. If you're not having fun, then what's the point?
I am very new to the hobby, I was intrigued by the Space Marine 2, then it turned out two guys at the office are into WH40K, so the dive into lore spiraled, soon I found myself reading "Lion, Son of the Forest" and I'm hooked. Apparently I won a lottery getting my hands on discounted Dark Angels battle box with the Lion, Deathwing Knights and Inner Circle Companions, the lore and models are absolutely to my liking. Now I'm learning how to paint minis, so I don't mess up that expensive plastic. The thing which worries me now is the fact that I've been to a local tournament to observe and the rules and mechanics seem quite overwhelming to me. This cooled my enthusiasm a bit and I'm not sure what to do next, honestly.
Have kids. Wait for them to grow. Play with them and teach them. Then you dont have to worry about keeping up with competative strangers or trying to find friends to play. Girls wont find the hobby cringe because they see you as a good father who spends quality time with his kids. A win win. I have 4 kids, the eldest is 11. Im thinking of starting this hobby, by the time i get it , they are all old enough. There i would have like 30+ years of game partners until im old. 😂
@DukeJohnny well i was joking a little. Of course. But in my case i already have kids who love nerd stuff. This advice would be good for already parents
@@prico3358 But it's admirable nevertheless! I've recently met a guy at my office, who's 13 y.o. daughter is super into board games (after him) but she doesn't have many friends to play with, because her peers are glued to screens 24/7, so he started bringing her to our board game meetings, and we cherish her. Good dad!
As an AOS player, I really want to start playing 40k as well but it’s just so much more complicated and I’m still adjusting to the rule changes for AOS
As someone brand new thinking of getting into the hobby I have narrowed down the armies I would like between these three Tyranids,Grey Knights,Sisters of Battle. Decisions decisions LOL
Another Suggestion I'd like to add would be Chaos Daemons. Depending on which Daemons you wish to collect, You have an army that can be played In pretty much any Warhammer Setting. With the Combat Patrol, True It's only Khorne Daemons but you already have a good army for not only the 40k chaos daemons but also Blades of Khorne, Including things like the Boarding Patrols. Kill Team and Warcry and with The Old World they released a PDF Online Rules for Chaos Daemons. Not to mention that with Daemons are very easy to paint. Due to their nature you can really be creative. Like with Nurgle Daemons you can afford to make mistakes with them and make them look dirty or with Tzeench you can give them vibrant colors like their contently being wrapped. Also depending on which setting you'd wish to get into. You can Expand your collection of Daemons with the mortal followers at some point, Again blades of Khorne for AOS Or World Eaters for 40k and have the Daemons be allies or just a straight up unit choice in Blades
@dadhammerstudios indeed, while each daemon faction has their playstyle like khorne being hard hitting and nurgle being slow and tanky. The fact that your able go use the models in different settings is the true value and has room to expand
I was going to start with Imperial Knights, but I heard a lot of people say that you don't really learn the game properly as almost all other armies have a lot more models. I think I'll start with Necrons instead, I'm really taking a shine to their lore and aesthetics.
That is true. Knights are huge models that don't give you enough exposure to all the tactics and strategy that inherently come with lots of troops on the board. That said, they are super fun to play...and terrifying to play against lol.
I still love them as both big mechs and knightly things appeal to me, so maybe my 2nd/3rd/4th army. I currently have 3 factions I'm considering for my first army and then Knight after or in the middle of that.
I have a Chaos Knights army because I found myself largely unable to win with my first army (Aeldari). I'd definitely think about just selling my wardogs if I didn't love my paintjob so much.
Before watching the entire video, if i had to pick one army for begginers i would say that me most suitable armys are: Dark Angels, Necrons, maybe orks and both sort of knights ( heretics and imperial) and last custodes, i guess custodes are the most friendly use for begginers, easy paint, easy rules and you can screw up without pay it with a lost.
Spot on. Funny you list these armies above as all of them were first army choices for several of the Dadhammer Team. No Custodes yet, but to your point, they are budget and beginner friendly.
@@dadhammerstudios I think that within the Warhammer community there is a consensus about which armies are the most optimal for beginners, the Custodes are an army with simple rules and quite strong in combat, it also allows errors that do not cost you the game, such as the Drukhari or the Aeldari. Added to the fact that there are few miniatures and their painting is very similar to the schemes to follow in Necrons, I think it is an optimal option for combat, for me the first army in 40K was World Eaters, I wish I had known more and had bought Custodes or imperial knights hehe
This is a really interesting analysis on the armies a player could start with. At first, I wanted to start with the Tau Empire because I was a fan of the futuristic military aesthetic (and I suppose mecha, too) but I was worried that they wouldn’t be flexible of the table top due to their laser focus on ranged combat. I later tried to pivot to Aeldari for their mobility until I learned that their models were kinda old and the instructions to put them together aren’t always intuitive. Also, their lore kinda stinks ATM. In the end, I feel like I should follow your recommendation and go back to the Tau and sell the Aeldari models I already have (which I never even assembled). Thanks for your recommendations.
I ran into the same situation with orks when I first started. They were pretty easy to learn, a little more difficult to master (since they are mainly just charge and melee), and even then I couldn't remember all the rules so it didn't matter 🤣. Eventually, I got bored with the same thing over and over...and bought another army. Now I have six 40k armies that all play differently. Soy advice would be to stick with Tau for now and expand later if you run into that flexibility issue. That said, Tau are getting a ton of Kroot models soon, which will bring a completely new melee dynamic to the army. I think you're in great hands with the Tau, especially if you like the look of them! Good luck, and thanks for watching!
Id personally add price as a huge + point for custodes. You can more or less get a functioning army for 300€> and get into the hobby, find out what you like and maybe start a second army if you are looking for something in particular that custodes can not do well.
Great video. My friend got me into Warhammer 40k and I've been struggling to find a good starter army. I was thinking Tyranids because I always like the swarming alien race in other games (Zerg and Flood).
Thanks for watching! Tyranids are great, and definitely give the feel of a zerg rush. For the Flood, maybe look into Death Guard as your second army...they are more zombie like. Also, combat patrol is a great place to start.
Thanks for the comment and for watching. Glad it was helpful! Necrons are always a good choice, plus their newer kits are really good looking and there's good versatility in the new codex that just came out! Good luck 🤖
i feel like with 10th edition the game's become beginner friendly enough for you to be able to grab whatever you think looks cool. especially with the combat patrol game mode etc
With the expansion of Kroot, The Tau will also have a pretty unique anti burnout feature. A feature that is already preasent in only Orks and Demons really. So one issue with Warhammer, at least in my opinion is once you settle on an army, and a paint scheme, your going to be doing a lot of minis in that paint and mini look. Everything looks like your chosen chapter or whatever faction equivalent, and uses mostly the same painting techniques. Space Marines? all your minis are blue and gold walking tanks, and vehicles. Eldar? All your minis are yellow and blue guys and vehicles. Tyrnids? Hope you like painting red and black bugs, because this is your life now. The only armies that really break this monotony are Orks with their junkyard aesthetics and the squigs. The two sides of their atmy can feel completely different. Its even more drastic with Demons eho straight up feel like 4 different armies stuck together. Now Tau will have this too. Tired of painting those tan spacesuits? Grab a giant bird man.
I disagree with painting Tyranids you can pretty much do anything you wish this is what appeals to me for Tyranids you can add spots, stripes, two tone carapace the whole colour pallet is your oyster. Also to add to this as long as they have the same colours the spots and stripes don't have to be exact think of it as a breed of dog or cat not everyone has the exact same.
I picked the Ynnari as I love the lore and I love elves, best of all elves mixed together.. yes please. But apparently GW hate them and never update their lore haha
I'm starting my first army and getting to Warhammer and i don't know if it was good decision to buy black templars combat patrol i am probably gonna create two armies tyranids and black templars main focus being black templars because i tried to paint some nids and it looked like someone puked on them
Potentially stupid question from a potential new gamer...been looking at the game the last few years but wanted to make sure I had a regular place, fairly close to where I live to play it regularly, otherwise what's the point of investing in something that will gather dust, right? So I have that now. When it comes to acquiring the minis they are of course in color on the box, am I only allowed to paint them that color or can I do more custom type of stuff.
I probably wouldn't have included Tau. There are 2 reasons. They don't play half the game, and painting the can be difficult for newbies. The painting part is especially bad if they try to match the box art. White is difficult to get right without an airbrush. CSM is the better choice. Their rules aren't too hard to grasp and they don't typically have extremely difficult paint schemes. Black Legion and Alpha Legion are both easy to paint. Also, when the start to build up to 2k points, CSM have more options and most stores have better stock of CSM.
I have a CSM army and they are a good broad army that can do lots of things well. Tau has lots of nuance of course, but I mainly picked them since they are shooty and gives the new player time to learn positioning.
True, and I wish there were more elite armies like Custodes in general. Horde armies are cool to look at for sure, and have a ton of tactical options, but sometimes it's nice to just have something straight forward.
I disagree with nearly everything on your lists save for Necrons as everything else is either difficult to pilot or requires extensive knowledge of not only your faction but everyone else’s as well. Also space marines may have a large range but something like 80% of it is a dude in power armour making it the easiest faction to proxy or kitbash on top of being easy to paint and pilot making them the best starter faction.
Yea... I don't see the complexity of the SM options. I find a chapter I like most thematically/visually and then I build a thematic army around it. Only need to look into the thematic choices that make sense that way.
So back in 1996 when i first heard about 40k I decided on Space Wolves for my army of choice but like you said they are just mediocre after accumilating 1000 point army I was bored, think it was about a year later I decided on a fresh start and I chose Tyranids at absolutly enjoyed every part of gaming and painting them I ended my 40k career at a 14k point Tyranid army and sold it all on ebay I havent played or collected since then that was about 17 years ago but i enjoy the lore and always watch 40k videos on just about anything I am very tempted to get back into it would love to collect Tyranids again.
Wow, really cool story! Thanks for sharing this. Yeah I mean it's a great time to come back in, and you don't HAVE to build a huge force to play. I would look into Combat Patrol if you're wanting to dip your toe in. That said, since you collected 14k pts, you know what you're getting into lol.
@dadhammerstudios Cheers, I had a look at the combat patrol they're a pretty good idea to get you started but I think first before I commit to anything I'm going to purchase the codex because I don't think my 1997 Tyranids Codex is going to cut it anymore I saw online the new codex is huge and it's a hard back book so I will have a gander cheers for the content.
You can also download the Combat Patrol rules for free on the Warhammer Community website. Those are abbreviated rules/stats, but gives you an idea of what you're looking at for Tyranids. It doesn't replace the codex, but it's something. Good luck!
@carbinewolf I'm not a Guard player myself, but I don't think they would be any more difficult to paint than other armies. Lots of militarum green and whatnot. Might be a little challenging if you want to paint a camo pattern on the uniforms, but there are a ton of tutorials out there for that. As for playing, from what I've seen they aren't an elite army, so expect to field a lot of units that die quickly (similar to any other horde army). Their tanks though are pretty powerful, just depends on strategy and support units.
Guard aren't particularly hard to paint, but it depends. If you're painting up cadians or even kriegers, they're not so hard. Catachan get harder because they have a lot of exposed skin, but not that bad. Most vehicles except for the valkyrie, basilisk, wyvern, hydra, and Scout Sentinel are easy to paint. The difficulty painting guard is that they're a horde army, so you're painting a lot. Guard armies can have more models than ork armies. My tournament list has 6 shock trooper squads and an infantry squad. In addition to 8 vehicles and a smattering of character support. As for difficulty play, guard are one the highest skill floor armies out there. Target acquisition, order placement, officer support, screening, and sacrificial units all must be mastered to play guard with any degree of competency. If you do it well, you are a nightmare to stop, if you do it poorly you get steamrolled. It's why guard have one of the higher tournament wins out there, but have an average winrate of 46% for most players.
currently i'm building Tyranids from the Levi Box. I find them really hard to build, because of their small/fine details and already broke a couple pieces. Don't know if beginners would enjoy building them
Yeah some armies just have smaller bits that are difficult to assemble. I had this problem with Necrons when I started on a second army with them after orks, but the older Necron kits were terrible for this. The newer ones are much more builder friendly. Orks were easier for me because they are chunkier/stockier builds. Less small arms to break off. The tyranids in the Leviathan box didn't always fit together the best, at least the larger models. End of the day, they are still models, and some will be easier to assemble than others. Have you had success with other armies? Just curious. Thanks for watching!
I've always struggled to feel like "Rule of Cool" didn't bait me when I started. 1 year and 20+ games into the hobby I think me and my beloved Aeldari are still at like a 20% win rate? When I was also, apparently, the 'best army in the game'. Elves that die to a stiff breeze be hard yo. That being said, I'll always love these space elves the most.
I always though that the Aeldari had great sculpts and the Windriders looked awesome. So I went ahead and purchased the Combat Patrol to try them out. After a couple of games I changed my mind and decided to stick with the other armies that I had.
Tau are not forgiving to beginners, they're very sensitive to positioning and sequencing and there are a lot of unsynergistic pitfalls in army building as well as one of the hardest armies to balance how aggressive you play. To really excel with Tau you need to push with seemingly defensive units to play the objective or you'll lose, and use nuisance charges OFTEN. That's not intuitive at all, there are even veterans that by now still refuse to nuisance charge with their stealth suits and ghostkeels. Also, battleline is the worst way to play Tau so the whole "shoot from a distance" meme isn't even correct anymore.
I am still new in regards to playing Tyranids. But I have experienced the power of the Screamer Killer in close combat. It made a quick meal out of Votann bikers.
If you (or anyone) love the look of Aeldari or any other army...rule of cool always makes up for how complex an army is. If you love how they look, you'll actually love the complexity of whatever army you choose!
I dunno, man. I'm a T'au player, and I think that in 10th Edition they are pretty nuanced. You gotta work and strategize to get your firepower, pick correct targets, choose who gets shooting buffs, and know where to place your army on the table. If you don't know what you are doing, then your army can easily underperform. Units are diverse but each is good at one specific thing and not so good at doing anything else. You need to know who to pick, for what role, and who needs to support them, so the army composition can get pretty complex. Not to mention, that as a range only faction, you are basically playing only half of the game, which is maybe not the best introduction for begginners. (Also T'au don't have any psychic abilities just as Necrons) I don't want to disincourage anybody from playing T'au; they are deffinately an interesting way to play the game. If you are into nuanced, tactical way to play, centered around min maxing, and planning, then go for it. If you are not sure, then I suggest taking T'au as a second army, and the first being something more balanced in melee/shooting. Also if you are going to paint them white, then prepare to suffer. (you'll become a pro at painting, though)
I hear you, and honestly, every army has nuance and details that make them more complicated. They are just range heavy which gives them an extra vote (in my opinion) for new players since they can still roll dice at a distance.
What should the first army be? Well, that's quite simple, ORKS. Why ? Well, the orcs are forgiving of many painting mistakes. And you can be super creative with them. For example, you can build a whole orc base out of rubbish, and make super easy kitbashs.
Agreed! Orks were my first army for this very reason.
Orks are my 1st army.. so far a huntherd box and zodgrod
Orks were my first army too until I got tired of watching 40 boyz get wasted by like 3 space marines.
I would swap tau for world eaters for the “one phase army” slot , as i think tau can be harder to pilot for beginners you need to know movement and positioning to to decent with them
One of the guys on the Dadhammer team started with World Eaters, and they are indeed a good "one phase army". Plenty of great army options for sure.
I would say Ultramarines specifically, especially if you like vanilla armies and characters.
1. You will never need any water transfers.
2. Even in game lore they are the most vanilla so they can “do” pretty much anything, melee army, ranged, vehicle-heavy, psyker, etc.
3. Wide range of named characters.
I’m actually in a very weird position right now…. Where when I started out with minies I said to myself that I won’t play Space Marines, because everyone plays them.
But with time, getting more and more bits of different fractions, Tau, Tyranids, CSM, Sister, I start to consider actually just stop overthinking and get an SM army.
I’m very inconsistent person, one day I think that Psykers are the coolest thing in universe, other day I’m thinking that tanks are.
It really drains me mentally…..
Nice video! I really do like the fact that you recommended everything but SM. For reason I completely understand
Hey thanks for that! Really appreciate you taking the time to share your insights/experience. I started with orks, eventually worked my way into Space Wolves and multiple other armies. Many of my friends started with SM...but when I was teaching them to play, it was just overwhelming for them to consider all of the SM choices at play.
Personally, I preferred the "charge up the field and smash" approach of orks because it was easy to execute lol, but difficult to stay alive at first. It did allow me to focus on being good at charge/melee though, which provided some focus.
We actually discussed this topic on our latest podcast if you are interested. Regardless, thanks again for the comments.
I just recently committed and purchased my first minis to eventually make a full Dark Angels army. Don't overthink it is my advice because I was exactly like you. It is a financial commitment but just start with a couple minis and see if you enjoy their look and painting them. If you're not having fun, then what's the point?
Exactly! If you love the army, just build and paint those regardless what anyone else says.
My first army was Space Wolves. Just loved the aesthetic of them
Love SW! Have an army myself, and it's the only space marine army I own. Old viking guys in the snow is just awesome.
Great video man. My first army was imperial guard. About 20 years ago. I liked the different unit factions within.
I am very new to the hobby, I was intrigued by the Space Marine 2, then it turned out two guys at the office are into WH40K, so the dive into lore spiraled, soon I found myself reading "Lion, Son of the Forest" and I'm hooked. Apparently I won a lottery getting my hands on discounted Dark Angels battle box with the Lion, Deathwing Knights and Inner Circle Companions, the lore and models are absolutely to my liking. Now I'm learning how to paint minis, so I don't mess up that expensive plastic. The thing which worries me now is the fact that I've been to a local tournament to observe and the rules and mechanics seem quite overwhelming to me. This cooled my enthusiasm a bit and I'm not sure what to do next, honestly.
Have kids. Wait for them to grow. Play with them and teach them. Then you dont have to worry about keeping up with competative strangers or trying to find friends to play. Girls wont find the hobby cringe because they see you as a good father who spends quality time with his kids. A win win.
I have 4 kids, the eldest is 11.
Im thinking of starting this hobby, by the time i get it , they are all old enough.
There i would have like 30+ years of game partners until im old. 😂
@@prico3358 That's an interesting thought, but not for me. Hope it works for you though!
@DukeJohnny well i was joking a little. Of course. But in my case i already have kids who love nerd stuff. This advice would be good for already parents
@@prico3358 But it's admirable nevertheless! I've recently met a guy at my office, who's 13 y.o. daughter is super into board games (after him) but she doesn't have many friends to play with, because her peers are glued to screens 24/7, so he started bringing her to our board game meetings, and we cherish her. Good dad!
As an AOS player, I really want to start playing 40k as well but it’s just so much more complicated and I’m still adjusting to the rule changes for AOS
As someone brand new thinking of getting into the hobby I have narrowed down the armies I would like between these three Tyranids,Grey Knights,Sisters of Battle. Decisions decisions LOL
Another Suggestion I'd like to add would be Chaos Daemons. Depending on which Daemons you wish to collect, You have an army that can be played In pretty much any Warhammer Setting. With the Combat Patrol, True It's only Khorne Daemons but you already have a good army for not only the 40k chaos daemons but also Blades of Khorne, Including things like the Boarding Patrols. Kill Team and Warcry and with The Old World they released a PDF Online Rules for Chaos Daemons. Not to mention that with Daemons are very easy to paint. Due to their nature you can really be creative. Like with Nurgle Daemons you can afford to make mistakes with them and make them look dirty or with Tzeench you can give them vibrant colors like their contently being wrapped.
Also depending on which setting you'd wish to get into. You can Expand your collection of Daemons with the mortal followers at some point, Again blades of Khorne for AOS Or World Eaters for 40k and have the Daemons be allies or just a straight up unit choice in Blades
Great suggestion! I've never played daemons but I really like the cross over aspect between games. Creates an extra value add. 👍
@dadhammerstudios indeed, while each daemon faction has their playstyle like khorne being hard hitting and nurgle being slow and tanky. The fact that your able go use the models in different settings is the true value and has room to expand
I was going to start with Imperial Knights, but I heard a lot of people say that you don't really learn the game properly as almost all other armies have a lot more models. I think I'll start with Necrons instead, I'm really taking a shine to their lore and aesthetics.
That is true. Knights are huge models that don't give you enough exposure to all the tactics and strategy that inherently come with lots of troops on the board. That said, they are super fun to play...and terrifying to play against lol.
I still love them as both big mechs and knightly things appeal to me, so maybe my 2nd/3rd/4th army. I currently have 3 factions I'm considering for my first army and then Knight after or in the middle of that.
@@Wineblood sounds awesome! Great thing about this game/hobby is there's always something else to collect and build. Good luck!
I have a Chaos Knights army because I found myself largely unable to win with my first army (Aeldari). I'd definitely think about just selling my wardogs if I didn't love my paintjob so much.
Before watching the entire video, if i had to pick one army for begginers i would say that me most suitable armys are: Dark Angels, Necrons, maybe orks and both sort of knights ( heretics and imperial) and last custodes, i guess custodes are the most friendly use for begginers, easy paint, easy rules and you can screw up without pay it with a lost.
Spot on. Funny you list these armies above as all of them were first army choices for several of the Dadhammer Team. No Custodes yet, but to your point, they are budget and beginner friendly.
@@dadhammerstudios I think that within the Warhammer community there is a consensus about which armies are the most optimal for beginners, the Custodes are an army with simple rules and quite strong in combat, it also allows errors that do not cost you the game, such as the Drukhari or the Aeldari. Added to the fact that there are few miniatures and their painting is very similar to the schemes to follow in Necrons, I think it is an optimal option for combat, for me the first army in 40K was World Eaters, I wish I had known more and had bought Custodes or imperial knights hehe
This is a really interesting analysis on the armies a player could start with. At first, I wanted to start with the Tau Empire because I was a fan of the futuristic military aesthetic (and I suppose mecha, too) but I was worried that they wouldn’t be flexible of the table top due to their laser focus on ranged combat. I later tried to pivot to Aeldari for their mobility until I learned that their models were kinda old and the instructions to put them together aren’t always intuitive. Also, their lore kinda stinks ATM.
In the end, I feel like I should follow your recommendation and go back to the Tau and sell the Aeldari models I already have (which I never even assembled). Thanks for your recommendations.
I ran into the same situation with orks when I first started. They were pretty easy to learn, a little more difficult to master (since they are mainly just charge and melee), and even then I couldn't remember all the rules so it didn't matter 🤣. Eventually, I got bored with the same thing over and over...and bought another army. Now I have six 40k armies that all play differently.
Soy advice would be to stick with Tau for now and expand later if you run into that flexibility issue. That said, Tau are getting a ton of Kroot models soon, which will bring a completely new melee dynamic to the army. I think you're in great hands with the Tau, especially if you like the look of them!
Good luck, and thanks for watching!
@@dadhammerstudios Thanks. I gotta get back into the hobby at some point. Good luck with your own endeavours.
are the farsight enclave a good start? considering the tau were considered good
Id personally add price as a huge + point for custodes. You can more or less get a functioning army for 300€> and get into the hobby, find out what you like and maybe start a second army if you are looking for something in particular that custodes can not do well.
just started today. spent 100 bucks and immediately realized i want more haha
Great video. My friend got me into Warhammer 40k and I've been struggling to find a good starter army. I was thinking Tyranids because I always like the swarming alien race in other games (Zerg and Flood).
Thanks for watching! Tyranids are great, and definitely give the feel of a zerg rush. For the Flood, maybe look into Death Guard as your second army...they are more zombie like.
Also, combat patrol is a great place to start.
As a new player looking to start I found this really helpful as I was contemplating starting with a necron army 😊
Thanks for the comment and for watching. Glad it was helpful! Necrons are always a good choice, plus their newer kits are really good looking and there's good versatility in the new codex that just came out! Good luck 🤖
i feel like with 10th edition the game's become beginner friendly enough for you to be able to grab whatever you think looks cool. especially with the combat patrol game mode etc
With the expansion of Kroot, The Tau will also have a pretty unique anti burnout feature. A feature that is already preasent in only Orks and Demons really.
So one issue with Warhammer, at least in my opinion is once you settle on an army, and a paint scheme, your going to be doing a lot of minis in that paint and mini look. Everything looks like your chosen chapter or whatever faction equivalent, and uses mostly the same painting techniques.
Space Marines? all your minis are blue and gold walking tanks, and vehicles.
Eldar? All your minis are yellow and blue guys and vehicles.
Tyrnids? Hope you like painting red and black bugs, because this is your life now.
The only armies that really break this monotony are Orks with their junkyard aesthetics and the squigs. The two sides of their atmy can feel completely different. Its even more drastic with Demons eho straight up feel like 4 different armies stuck together.
Now Tau will have this too. Tired of painting those tan spacesuits? Grab a giant bird man.
Yup. Also why I have multiple armies, but new players won't have that. Either way it's an investment.
I disagree with painting Tyranids you can pretty much do anything you wish this is what appeals to me for Tyranids you can add spots, stripes, two tone carapace the whole colour pallet is your oyster.
Also to add to this as long as they have the same colours the spots and stripes don't have to be exact think of it as a breed of dog or cat not everyone has the exact same.
I picked the Ynnari as I love the lore and I love elves, best of all elves mixed together.. yes please. But apparently GW hate them and never update their lore haha
I'm starting my first army and getting to Warhammer and i don't know if it was good decision to buy black templars combat patrol i am probably gonna create two armies tyranids and black templars main focus being black templars because i tried to paint some nids and it looked like someone puked on them
Potentially stupid question from a potential new gamer...been looking at the game the last few years but wanted to make sure I had a regular place, fairly close to where I live to play it regularly, otherwise what's the point of investing in something that will gather dust, right? So I have that now.
When it comes to acquiring the minis they are of course in color on the box, am I only allowed to paint them that color or can I do more custom type of stuff.
I probably wouldn't have included Tau. There are 2 reasons. They don't play half the game, and painting the can be difficult for newbies. The painting part is especially bad if they try to match the box art. White is difficult to get right without an airbrush. CSM is the better choice. Their rules aren't too hard to grasp and they don't typically have extremely difficult paint schemes. Black Legion and Alpha Legion are both easy to paint. Also, when the start to build up to 2k points, CSM have more options and most stores have better stock of CSM.
I have a CSM army and they are a good broad army that can do lots of things well. Tau has lots of nuance of course, but I mainly picked them since they are shooty and gives the new player time to learn positioning.
I think Death Guard would be also a great starting army, only the painting could be a little harder.
I've never played Death Guard personally, but they do have a ton of models/variety. I just can't get past how gross they are 🤣
I'd suggest Custodes for a 1st army every time.
Cheap, easy to paint, easy to play.
True, and I wish there were more elite armies like Custodes in general. Horde armies are cool to look at for sure, and have a ton of tactical options, but sometimes it's nice to just have something straight forward.
I disagree with nearly everything on your lists save for Necrons as everything else is either difficult to pilot or requires extensive knowledge of not only your faction but everyone else’s as well.
Also space marines may have a large range but something like 80% of it is a dude in power armour making it the easiest faction to proxy or kitbash on top of being easy to paint and pilot making them the best starter faction.
Nearly everything... "so you're telling me there's a chance" 🙌
Yea... I don't see the complexity of the SM options. I find a chapter I like most thematically/visually and then I build a thematic army around it. Only need to look into the thematic choices that make sense that way.
So back in 1996 when i first heard about 40k I decided on Space Wolves for my army of choice but like you said they are just mediocre after accumilating 1000 point army I was bored, think it was about a year later I decided on a fresh start and I chose Tyranids at absolutly enjoyed every part of gaming and painting them I ended my 40k career at a 14k point Tyranid army and sold it all on ebay I havent played or collected since then that was about 17 years ago but i enjoy the lore and always watch 40k videos on just about anything I am very tempted to get back into it would love to collect Tyranids again.
Wow, really cool story! Thanks for sharing this. Yeah I mean it's a great time to come back in, and you don't HAVE to build a huge force to play. I would look into Combat Patrol if you're wanting to dip your toe in. That said, since you collected 14k pts, you know what you're getting into lol.
@dadhammerstudios Cheers, I had a look at the combat patrol they're a pretty good idea to get you started but I think first before I commit to anything I'm going to purchase the codex because I don't think my 1997 Tyranids Codex is going to cut it anymore I saw online the new codex is huge and it's a hard back book so I will have a gander cheers for the content.
You can also download the Combat Patrol rules for free on the Warhammer Community website. Those are abbreviated rules/stats, but gives you an idea of what you're looking at for Tyranids. It doesn't replace the codex, but it's something. Good luck!
Any Astra Militarum players? I've always been fascinated by the tanks that supplement the grunts. Are they hard to paint/play?
@carbinewolf I'm not a Guard player myself, but I don't think they would be any more difficult to paint than other armies. Lots of militarum green and whatnot. Might be a little challenging if you want to paint a camo pattern on the uniforms, but there are a ton of tutorials out there for that.
As for playing, from what I've seen they aren't an elite army, so expect to field a lot of units that die quickly (similar to any other horde army). Their tanks though are pretty powerful, just depends on strategy and support units.
Guard aren't particularly hard to paint, but it depends. If you're painting up cadians or even kriegers, they're not so hard. Catachan get harder because they have a lot of exposed skin, but not that bad. Most vehicles except for the valkyrie, basilisk, wyvern, hydra, and Scout Sentinel are easy to paint. The difficulty painting guard is that they're a horde army, so you're painting a lot. Guard armies can have more models than ork armies. My tournament list has 6 shock trooper squads and an infantry squad. In addition to 8 vehicles and a smattering of character support.
As for difficulty play, guard are one the highest skill floor armies out there. Target acquisition, order placement, officer support, screening, and sacrificial units all must be mastered to play guard with any degree of competency. If you do it well, you are a nightmare to stop, if you do it poorly you get steamrolled. It's why guard have one of the higher tournament wins out there, but have an average winrate of 46% for most players.
currently i'm building Tyranids from the Levi Box. I find them really hard to build, because of their small/fine details and already broke a couple pieces. Don't know if beginners would enjoy building them
Yeah some armies just have smaller bits that are difficult to assemble. I had this problem with Necrons when I started on a second army with them after orks, but the older Necron kits were terrible for this. The newer ones are much more builder friendly. Orks were easier for me because they are chunkier/stockier builds. Less small arms to break off.
The tyranids in the Leviathan box didn't always fit together the best, at least the larger models. End of the day, they are still models, and some will be easier to assemble than others. Have you had success with other armies? Just curious. Thanks for watching!
My other army is Slamander Marines. The only kit I hated building so far was the redemptor dreadnought
SM are chunkier guys for sure, making it easy to pick up and whatnot. You might find Knights easier to assemble too since they are big boys.
What is wrong to start with the Death Guard? They are forgiving in all aspects.
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Me Ill get into the Guard they seem cool now I am drowning in Russes and Infratry models
The struggle is real. I bought 2 Leviathan boxes, yet still have a ton of Tyranids sitting on a shelf assembled, but only sprayed in Wraithbone. 🫣
I've always struggled to feel like "Rule of Cool" didn't bait me when I started.
1 year and 20+ games into the hobby I think me and my beloved Aeldari are still at like a 20% win rate? When I was also, apparently, the 'best army in the game'.
Elves that die to a stiff breeze be hard yo.
That being said, I'll always love these space elves the most.
I always though that the Aeldari had great sculpts and the Windriders looked awesome. So I went ahead and purchased the Combat Patrol to try them out. After a couple of games I changed my mind and decided to stick with the other armies that I had.
Very interesting choices, I think they are good choices.
Too many rules and too many models aren’t good to begin with.
Thanks for watching! Lots of options for sure, and these are just one persons opinion 😁
Watching this video very intently despite owning 2 armies
There's always room for one more 😉
@@dadhammerstudios don't tempt me lmaooo
I went with the Orks because I saw there was a unit that are a bunch of lads that have strapped ACME rockets to their back and that was rad as hell
The amount of shenanigans the orks have in their army is truly amazing.
All the reasons you listed (especially Rule of Cool and the lore) are why I went for Necrons. I’m painting up a Void Dragon as I watch this!
Awesome! That's a cool model indeed. Thanks for watching 😎
Tau are not forgiving to beginners, they're very sensitive to positioning and sequencing and there are a lot of unsynergistic pitfalls in army building as well as one of the hardest armies to balance how aggressive you play. To really excel with Tau you need to push with seemingly defensive units to play the objective or you'll lose, and use nuisance charges OFTEN. That's not intuitive at all, there are even veterans that by now still refuse to nuisance charge with their stealth suits and ghostkeels. Also, battleline is the worst way to play Tau so the whole "shoot from a distance" meme isn't even correct anymore.
What about guardmens
Blood for the blood god for me.
The Commissar on the Dadhammer Team started with World Eaters...great choice! He loves them, and he's a beginner in 40k. So many good options.
Expect $500-$1000 usd for an army.
Admech players that can currently spend $2,400 on an army with popular troops.
Gee, wouldn't that be nice.
Yeah, I was taking averages. Depends on which army you pick of course, but fair point...some armies are pricier than others.
@@dadhammerstudios it's more a lamentation than a correction. Admech are priced and built like an elite army, but pointed like a horde. It hurts.
Tyranids really do not excel at close combat anymore.
I am still new in regards to playing Tyranids. But I have experienced the power of the Screamer Killer in close combat. It made a quick meal out of Votann bikers.
I atarted getting into Warhammer 40k and my first army is ORKS cuz there da biggest and da baddest and lots of WAAAAGH
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No play Aeldari?? Sad...
If you (or anyone) love the look of Aeldari or any other army...rule of cool always makes up for how complex an army is. If you love how they look, you'll actually love the complexity of whatever army you choose!
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I dunno, man. I'm a T'au player, and I think that in 10th Edition they are pretty nuanced. You gotta work and strategize to get your firepower, pick correct targets, choose who gets shooting buffs, and know where to place your army on the table. If you don't know what you are doing, then your army can easily underperform.
Units are diverse but each is good at one specific thing and not so good at doing anything else. You need to know who to pick, for what role, and who needs to support them, so the army composition can get pretty complex.
Not to mention, that as a range only faction, you are basically playing only half of the game, which is maybe not the best introduction for begginners. (Also T'au don't have any psychic abilities just as Necrons)
I don't want to disincourage anybody from playing T'au; they are deffinately an interesting way to play the game. If you are into nuanced, tactical way to play, centered around min maxing, and planning, then go for it. If you are not sure, then I suggest taking T'au as a second army, and the first being something more balanced in melee/shooting.
Also if you are going to paint them white, then prepare to suffer. (you'll become a pro at painting, though)
I hear you, and honestly, every army has nuance and details that make them more complicated. They are just range heavy which gives them an extra vote (in my opinion) for new players since they can still roll dice at a distance.
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