I'm amazed that multiple different artists developed turntablism independently of each other. This guy was figuring it out all on his own while the hip-hop pioneers were doing the same thing in the Bronx, that's just mad synchronicity.
"the same thing"???... I am sorry but its not "the same thing"!!!... they do scratch but not tape in the records and not using the turntables as an instrument like Marclay!
@@vitorrua Hip-hop DJs were putting tape on records and manipulating them in ways similar to this. The DMC World Championships showcased some of it. Also there are artists like Kid Koala who utilise the turntables as an instrument. It's not just scratching.
can you put a link to see them doing that* I am curious to see the similarities... I never saw nobody else doing things like this! One thing is to do scratch another is to do this in many turntables... first of all they use generally only two turntables... and with a mixer in the middle... this is a thing completely different... but show me an example please...@@finkployd6110
@@vitorruaSorry for the late reply. I've had time to mull this over and I get where you're coming from. I wouldn't say this is completely different, it's certainly different in the ways you described but there were things I saw that reminded me of what some DJs did especially around the later vinyl era in the battle scene (after DVS came along, DJs stopped using real records and hence a lot of the weirder techniques died down). Obviously one major difference is there being no crossfader to act as a killswitch, but there are DJs who can scratch completely without the fader, look up "faderless scratching", it's uncommon but it's been done. Multiple turntables are often used in DJ "bands" like the Invisibl Skratch Piklz, solo DJs not so often but it's happened. There were other experimental techniques I saw here that have been used by scratch DJs, such as drilling a spindle hole off-center to make the record flutter (DJ Qbert did that in his 1991 DMC set), scraping the record with the needle (Qbert also did that in his 1991 DMC set), tape on records to make rhythmic noise (DJ Kentaro at the 2001 DMC World Championships). One thing I realised is that the only examples I myself can think of are from after this performance. It wouldn't shock me at all if it turns out some DJs, especially the Bay Area DJs, saw Christian Marclay on TV and repurposed some of these techniques for their own sets, especially DJ Qbert's 1991 DMC performance. I understand what you mean by this being different, it was an oversimplification of me to call it the "same thing", really what I meant was that it's a cool synchronicity - while Grandmaster Flash and Grandwizzard Theodore were turning the turntables+mixer into a sampling instrument, another young man elsewhere in America was also experimenting with using the turntables as an instrument, and they both did it by "ruining" records in the traditional sense. From what I understand, earlier avant-garde composers who experimented with turntables didn't think of manually moving records, marking them with tape, touching the grooves with their hands. Grandmaster Flash said he got a lot of flak for touching the grooves and marking them with crayon, and Marclay had a similar out of the box thinking approach in that he also didn't care about treating his records delicately. Here's DJ Qbert's 1991 DMC set, this version he messed up a fair bit but you can see what he's doing: th-cam.com/video/8wITk8-7oNU/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared Here's a better executed performance of the same set but the video quality is shite, it's harder to see what he's doing: th-cam.com/video/saWnli51Ix8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
I saw this broadcast live when I was in High School and it blew me away!! I think it shifted my mind in terms of art, music, breaking the rules and inventing new ones.
Truly ingenious dude. Saw one of his original record cut-up creations on display at MOMA and it was absolutely beautiful. Just wish I could've had a chance to give it a spin. He's like the Jimi Hendrix of the turntables and a DEFINITE innovator.
So interesting to watch this in 2021. Ableton Live looping, Autotune, click tracks, sampling, beat mapping, quantizing...this guy is essentially using all of these devices before they even had names
Total genius. Never boring or trite. Does so much that's even interesting visually. Love this brilliant pioneer. This video was selected for my New Musiology vlog.
I think you have to be able to experience ASMR to understand this kind of performance. Very trance-inducing. Love those turntables! They obviously color the sound of the records greatly with the built in amps and EQ, old transistors, etc
Not quite "way before". It was a case of parallel events (something that happens quite a bit in music and other artforms). GMF and the others you mentioned had been doing their thing since the early 70s (Kool Herc was doing his thing in '73). Christian Marclay (as far as I know -- he may have been dabbling w/ the idea much earlier) didn't really start doing his thing until the late 70s. Both are innovators because both came to the idea of "turntable as an instrument" independently but from different angles. I like Christian's approach better because it's more like Punk Rock (in spirit as far as telling the "rules of music" to get lost) and I'm biased toward that style of music.
@MrMeddled Oh i can hear it now ... coz of the longer resp. shorter distance the sample is faster resp. slower than normal ... cool effect... great musician anyway, he has a really abstract and destructive style... destructive in the sense of a wild animal that wants to destroy every border in what we call music...
@Sololeiperme "Da sempre abbiamo avuto una educazione di tipo letterario per cui, la gente, anche quella colta, di fronte a un quadro astratto (supponiamo) cerca di capirne «il significato», il «cosa vuol dire», vuole il racconto, cerca ancora la letteratura nella pittura. E così cerca la letteratura nel cinema, nella scultura, in ogni tipo di arte visiva. Se l'arte visiva mostra solo se stessa (come fa certa musica) la gente non capisce, perché non ci trova niente da leggere" -Bruno Munari
undeniably one of the first "turntableists" in my semblance of an "opinion" or "perspective"...basically no marclay...no tableism!... ans a contributor to the "noise" or "experimental noise" movement...or at least one of the contributors..Turntable "compositions".. not just "routines"...
@WhiteAfrican78 Haha. The mark of a true artist. Hitting the top 10. Right there with Beyoncé, Justin Bieber, Susan Boyle and all those other geniuses...
David Sanborn at the beginning. Fun story: he came on hard to a girl friend of mine at a hotel shopping area in Oklahoma City in 1987. Literally asked her to come up to his room and hang out with him for a while. It was the day of his concert there and I had asked her to go to the show with me cause I was sick in love with her and had free tickets. She still went but clearly hated it and told me why after we left. Did I mention we were seniors in high school? What a creep.
They look like the portable record players that were used by my grade and high school AV departments. Looking around the 'Net, I think Marclay has 3 Califone 1450A and another model, probably also a Califone. These would all be from the '60s and '70s.
Well, it definitely pushes against the boundary of what is and isn't music and art, and it won't appeal to everybody. At least you're open-minded enough to listen.
Somewhere in time and space, the never ending frequencies of Christian Marclay's night music got sucked into a black hole, caused a super nova and gave birth to the Glitch Mob.
+Jesse Noily - He's using Califone record players. They were heavy-duty-grade machines mostly used in school classrooms and industrial applications... I remember them from my childhood I'm sure they would ruin any of our nice LPs in a second... not that that would be a problem for Mr. Marclay!
I have a bunch of them and audiotronics ones and their fine also have a technics sl1200 and sl 1430 califone won't hurt your records and their solid, with a real astatic power point cartridge it will not hurt records for real those school record player manufacturers knew exactly what they were doing these don't mess up records if you take good care of them.
I'm amazed that multiple different artists developed turntablism independently of each other. This guy was figuring it out all on his own while the hip-hop pioneers were doing the same thing in the Bronx, that's just mad synchronicity.
"the same thing"???... I am sorry but its not "the same thing"!!!... they do scratch but not tape in the records and not using the turntables as an instrument like Marclay!
@@vitorrua Hip-hop DJs were putting tape on records and manipulating them in ways similar to this. The DMC World Championships showcased some of it. Also there are artists like Kid Koala who utilise the turntables as an instrument. It's not just scratching.
can you put a link to see them doing that* I am curious to see the similarities... I never saw nobody else doing things like this! One thing is to do scratch another is to do this in many turntables... first of all they use generally only two turntables... and with a mixer in the middle... this is a thing completely different... but show me an example please...@@finkployd6110
@@vitorruaSorry for the late reply. I've had time to mull this over and I get where you're coming from. I wouldn't say this is completely different, it's certainly different in the ways you described but there were things I saw that reminded me of what some DJs did especially around the later vinyl era in the battle scene (after DVS came along, DJs stopped using real records and hence a lot of the weirder techniques died down). Obviously one major difference is there being no crossfader to act as a killswitch, but there are DJs who can scratch completely without the fader, look up "faderless scratching", it's uncommon but it's been done. Multiple turntables are often used in DJ "bands" like the Invisibl Skratch Piklz, solo DJs not so often but it's happened. There were other experimental techniques I saw here that have been used by scratch DJs, such as drilling a spindle hole off-center to make the record flutter (DJ Qbert did that in his 1991 DMC set), scraping the record with the needle (Qbert also did that in his 1991 DMC set), tape on records to make rhythmic noise (DJ Kentaro at the 2001 DMC World Championships).
One thing I realised is that the only examples I myself can think of are from after this performance. It wouldn't shock me at all if it turns out some DJs, especially the Bay Area DJs, saw Christian Marclay on TV and repurposed some of these techniques for their own sets, especially DJ Qbert's 1991 DMC performance.
I understand what you mean by this being different, it was an oversimplification of me to call it the "same thing", really what I meant was that it's a cool synchronicity - while Grandmaster Flash and Grandwizzard Theodore were turning the turntables+mixer into a sampling instrument, another young man elsewhere in America was also experimenting with using the turntables as an instrument, and they both did it by "ruining" records in the traditional sense. From what I understand, earlier avant-garde composers who experimented with turntables didn't think of manually moving records, marking them with tape, touching the grooves with their hands. Grandmaster Flash said he got a lot of flak for touching the grooves and marking them with crayon, and Marclay had a similar out of the box thinking approach in that he also didn't care about treating his records delicately.
Here's DJ Qbert's 1991 DMC set, this version he messed up a fair bit but you can see what he's doing: th-cam.com/video/8wITk8-7oNU/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Here's a better executed performance of the same set but the video quality is shite, it's harder to see what he's doing: th-cam.com/video/saWnli51Ix8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
I love the way he carelessly discards the records when he's done with them!
Kodanshi Helcarver Does this look like a person who cares about the condition of his records? Just look at 3:47 -4:00
You guys don't get it at all. Look at how carefully he sliced up records and put them back together. That's not a characteristic of a careless person.
I saw this broadcast live when I was in High School and it blew me away!! I think it shifted my mind in terms of art, music, breaking the rules and inventing new ones.
Truly ingenious dude. Saw one of his original record cut-up creations on display at MOMA and it was absolutely beautiful. Just wish I could've had a chance to give it a spin. He's like the Jimi Hendrix of the turntables and a DEFINITE innovator.
So interesting to watch this in 2021. Ableton Live looping, Autotune, click tracks, sampling, beat mapping, quantizing...this guy is essentially using all of these devices before they even had names
Total genius. Never boring or trite. Does so much that's even interesting visually. Love this brilliant pioneer. This video was selected for my New Musiology vlog.
I saw this when it aired. So awesome!!!
I think you have to be able to experience ASMR to understand this kind of performance. Very trance-inducing. Love those turntables! They obviously color the sound of the records greatly with the built in amps and EQ, old transistors, etc
Got to see him in a garage on Mott St. in the the mid 80's. Been hooked since.
that is fucking awesome tbh
This is amazing! Talent where others may not see it.
本当に素晴らしい！
John Cage meets Invisibl Skratch Piklz.
Never has there been a better way to describe this.
This is mind blowing stuff!
Brilliant. Thanks for posting.
Reminds me of something Negativland would put out...although done entirely with vinyl...awesome video!
best music show ever....
Groundbreaking. Too good for TV which is why it didn't last. Loved watching Conway Twitty perform with The Residents.
fantastic= total influence on my own work
Magnificent racket! Love 3:27 when the drum solo kicks in.
This is actually beautiful!
Kinda sounds a lil like R2D2 having some hand to droid time at the start!
EPIC!
THANKYOU!
this music is excellent
amazing
Now we see where DJ Qbert got some of his inspiration from!
Sick!
これは素晴らしい演奏です！
like music to my ears!
amazing!
Excellent!
My hero!
Wow what a legend ...way before Grandmaster Flash , Theodore and Kool Herc ...true skills !!
Not quite "way before". It was a case of parallel events (something that happens quite a bit in music and other artforms). GMF and the others you mentioned had been doing their thing since the early 70s (Kool Herc was doing his thing in '73). Christian Marclay (as far as I know -- he may have been dabbling w/ the idea much earlier) didn't really start doing his thing until the late 70s. Both are innovators because both came to the idea of "turntable as an instrument" independently but from different angles. I like Christian's approach better because it's more like Punk Rock (in spirit as far as telling the "rules of music" to get lost) and I'm biased toward that style of music.
BTW, dope channel. Subbed.
@romeosdistress Oh yes, you're right! I just saw this mix hit the top 10 !
this made my cat go crazy. great music!
cooooool!
salve!!!!
blimey!!
@Kaischoosi I'm sure he used a record where he made his own off-center hole.
Good for you.
good stuff
Take that DJ Shadow!
banger
AMAZING
sounds very reminiscent of Oval
He's got four turntables, cant hold a microphone.
Where its at.
This is what the future sounds like...
Night Music DVD set
please
Agree!
epic
Birdy Nam Nam. LOL
I wonder if he ever saved up enough money for a mixer..
Aw, where's the fun in that?? ;^)
@MrMeddled
Oh i can hear it now ... coz of the longer resp. shorter distance the sample is faster resp. slower than normal ... cool effect...
great musician anyway, he has a really abstract and destructive style... destructive in the sense of a wild animal that wants to destroy every border in what we call music...
@Sololeiperme "Da sempre abbiamo avuto una educazione di tipo letterario per cui, la gente, anche quella colta, di fronte a un quadro astratto (supponiamo) cerca di capirne «il significato», il «cosa vuol dire», vuole il racconto, cerca ancora la letteratura nella pittura. E così cerca la letteratura nel cinema, nella scultura, in ogni tipo di arte visiva. Se l'arte visiva mostra solo se stessa (come fa certa musica) la gente non capisce, perché non ci trova niente da leggere" -Bruno Munari
the future was back then
genius
космос
undeniably one of the first "turntableists" in my semblance of an "opinion" or "perspective"...basically no marclay...no tableism!... ans a contributor to the "noise" or "experimental noise" movement...or at least one of the contributors..Turntable "compositions".. not just "routines"...
@WhiteAfrican78 Haha. The mark of a true artist. Hitting the top 10. Right there with Beyoncé, Justin Bieber, Susan Boyle and all those other geniuses...
Does anyone know what key or BPM he's playing in... :)
mind fucked dig it
David Sanborn at the beginning. Fun story: he came on hard to a girl friend of mine at a hotel shopping area in Oklahoma City in 1987. Literally asked her to come up to his room and hang out with him for a while. It was the day of his concert there and I had asked her to go to the show with me cause I was sick in love with her and had free tickets. She still went but clearly hated it and told me why after we left. Did I mention we were seniors in high school? What a creep.
yo what the fuck thats awful
Does anyone have any idea what kind of turntables he’s using? I’ve seen a lot of artists use them but I can’t find them anywhere online
They look like the portable record players that were used by my grade and high school AV departments. Looking around the 'Net, I think Marclay has 3 Califone 1450A and another model, probably also a Califone. These would all be from the '60s and '70s.
this guy needs to chek out the DMC'S. haha
1:48
this is really weird, but in a good way.
For The Art Channel review of the Christian Marclay at White Cube see th-cam.com/video/bSGsiJiXulk/w-d-xo.html
Well, it definitely pushes against the boundary of what is and isn't music and art, and it won't appeal to everybody. At least you're open-minded enough to listen.
3:11 sounds like a sad robot.
Extraterrestrial!cool!
Play that broken music !
th-cam.com/play/PLH93iInXKrCBJu4ovY6wp8CaJxWmMRHdm.html
no, this is what the past sounds like.
Whats that strange turning record he puts on on 2:28 ?
nature boy - Enoch Light
Somewhere in time and space, the never ending frequencies of Christian Marclay's night music got sucked into a black hole, caused a super nova and gave birth to the Glitch Mob.
Mike G Don't you dare compare Christian Marclay to the glitch mob.
Track ID?!
3.08 bwad
Does anybody know what turntables he's using?
+Jesse Noily - He's using Califone record players. They were heavy-duty-grade machines mostly used in school classrooms and industrial applications... I remember them from my childhood I'm sure they would ruin any of our nice LPs in a second... not that that would be a problem for Mr. Marclay!
I have a bunch of them and audiotronics ones and their fine also have a technics sl1200 and sl 1430 califone won't hurt your records and their solid, with a real astatic power point cartridge it will not hurt records for real those school record player manufacturers knew exactly what they were doing these don't mess up records if you take good care of them.
@MrMeddled
Cool thank ya, so this has some particular effect on the sample ?
"All this needs is some bad example nursery rhymes over top and we could really get the kids on the hook."
Don't hate. It wasn't that bad.
Shit i could do this lol
spoiler: he couldn't
He invented scratching.
Are the sounds on each record produced by him? or are they collected from different artists?
They are old records from thrift shops, so not his
Desenvolveu o Scratching com nada haver ao hip hop
worse than that murderous moment in Psycho
me dolio la cabesa con escuchar esta mamada de sonido yo toco mejor es enserio
I'd rather watch musician playing synthesizers, samplers, and drum machines.