ZipFit Workhorse and Gara LV Ski Boot Liner Review with SkiEssentials.com

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  • @tyfanuzzi5431
    @tyfanuzzi5431 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

    finally pulled the trigger on gara lv this season worth every single penny they’re phenomenal

  • @DroveTheGreen
    @DroveTheGreen 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

    Really happy that Zipfit and Fischer partnered up and made these available as a stock liner on the RC4 Pro models. The liners have become an essentials piece of my skiing gear now and I don't think I'll ever go skiing without my them again.

    • @comesatime123
      @comesatime123 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      I got RC4 Pro MV Boa, it includes the zipfit and it doesn’t increase the boot price too much so it a good value. So if you are in the market for new boots, they are worth a look.

    • @skyshade9106
      @skyshade9106 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Unfortunately its not the same liner as their real models its a dumbed down cheaper made more simple version but its still better then stock liners.

    • @FabioSiverino
      @FabioSiverino 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@skyshade9106its not really cheaper made. Zipfit has a comparison in their page. They just removed the power strap.
      Zipfit even included designs from fischer (laces for the worldcop and the sole design)

    • @993ts
      @993ts 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@skyshade9106that’s not close to being true.

    • @Skiptoomyl0u
      @Skiptoomyl0u 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Best boot I have ever owned. To me this model of a zipfit made for a specific boot just makes complete sense. And adds more value. ​@@comesatime123

  • @karlmiller7841
    @karlmiller7841 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Purchased my Zipfit GARA in 2006. It looks a little worn on the outside from world cupping the boot on and off for 19 years. A hot bootbag definitely makes a easier entry. Exit after skiing can be some work but very doable when you get used to it, As mentioned in the video, comfort and control every day, year after year!!!! This liner has seen 4 shells. Buy shell, make a few punches then drop in the Zipfit and go. I have been skiing 60 + days for the last 10 years post retirement. Twenty to thirty when I was working. Highly recommend!!!

    • @darlondevera735
      @darlondevera735 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Does anyone sell shells only or have you just been throwing out the stock liners?

    • @karlmiller7841
      @karlmiller7841 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@darlondevera735 I throw out the liner.

  • @zipfit9691
    @zipfit9691 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

    Just commenting in here on microwaves, they vary in power significantly.
    To avoid melting your liners or causing damage - seeing a professional bootfitter like Allison at Inner Bootworks is great. We also recommend a hair dryer, you could fill some nalgene bottles with boiling water and placing them in the liner to warm up the cork, the hot dry rice in the ski sock method... plenty of options.

    • @SkiEssentials
      @SkiEssentials  12 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you for this and great info. Anyone putting a boot anything in a microwave needs to go about it with common sense!

  • @RobertYoderTruckee
    @RobertYoderTruckee 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Heated boot bag solves all of the cold issues Jeff mentions. I even use mine in my house which makes it very easy to get on. Used my first zipfit for 500 days, still had life but I liken it to snow tires. Last 4,000 miles on snow tires are not that great. New liner was immediately better. Have about 300 days on this one. Buy extra cork. So easy to put in. Most important is to just put in a little at a time as it is more difficult to get it out if you put too much in.

  • @keevmulqois2484
    @keevmulqois2484 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    First time in ZipFit ever this season. Amazing. Never going back!

  • @lorenroot7667
    @lorenroot7667 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    2nd season in my Gara - truly amazing what an upgrade these are. Take these guys’ advice-if you’re considering them just do it. Worth every penny

  • @DevinGT350R
    @DevinGT350R 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Just wanted to add on a few thoughts from my endeavor as well. Heated boot bags are amazing for these. Makes slipping into the shells much easier (in addition with the zipfit boot horn but not necessary), and you start your day off with a warm boot. I also used the boot bag to do the first molding of my boots. Left the zipfits by themselves in the bag for a few hours, then before putting them on I threw in a microwaved sock filled with rice to heat the inside more as well.
    Zipfit also has an online 'quiz' where you put in your boot model, size, and additional information and it will tell you the recommended liner for your use. I'd say it is accurate in recommending the correct liner for ones use. And I think when people say packing out it's more so meaning the first few days on the boot where you may have pressure points in areas where the cork hasn't yet moved away from. Typically if you do the molding that movement of the cork will be greatly accelerated.

  • @glennc3570
    @glennc3570 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Spot on review, Gents! Skied them yesterday for the first time (day before your review) and I experienced every single thing you mentioned. Sweet comfort. Unbelievable connection to the skis/responsiveness. Shock at the price. However, all worth it, especially when considering 500+ future days in them vs. (what?) about 100 in a stock liner.

  • @nicholas5396
    @nicholas5396 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    YESSSS! The review we've all been waiting for!🎉

  • @azbob2759
    @azbob2759 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    I've had Zipfits for 10 years, had a pair of garas which lasted for 7 years and 3 different boots Rossi, daebello and rc4 's.(Ski 20-30 days/yr). Tongue leather at toe wore out so bought a pair of corsa's
    Going from one shell to another may require more or less cork so having the plunger and couple of tubes of cork make sense if you switch shells. Cork can be reused once removed just stuff it back into tube for next time. Things I've learned: adjusting fit from one boot shell to another isn't difficult, adding or removing cork is a breeze so get the plunger and tubes of cork, world cupping takes a bit to get comfortable with but works the best, don't use the bottom eyelet, more comfort in the toe box and easier to tighten, use the corsa speed laces as the never loosen, it has a different clasp which is less intrusive and make it easy to tighten and they come in 3 lengths. Last trick is to warm the shells(car or boot heater)makes "world cupping" a breeze.

  • @mikehoffman7131
    @mikehoffman7131 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Couldn’t be better timing. Waiting for this.
    Coming to Stowe in a few weeks. Would love to stop by and say hi

  • @kennethzasada8605
    @kennethzasada8605 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Using an Adnee Ski Horn makes for easier entry. You can make one out of a piece of crazy carpet. Purchased my zip fits at the begining of the season. Had a good fitter set them up. After a few skis a small adjustment was made. I love the heel lock and the room around the front of the foot. I can now actually feel the balls of my feet and using shuttle weight transfer my skiing has improved. I love the easy weight transfer and how simple it is to skate on the flats. I have them in a pair of delbello Lupa 120's and I am happy I purchased the zip fits instead of new boots. If you are serious about skiing better do not hesitate to upgrade to these liners. I am over seventy , love to ski hard, and I am enjoying skiing more than any time in my life. Thanks zip fits.
    Ken Z.

  • @richard_ford
    @richard_ford 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Im using the touring liner with a head raptor WCR and boy oh boy getting in and out of those is a challenge. I have to sit in the car after skiing to bring the shell temperature up before I can take them off. 😂

  • @robelsby9487
    @robelsby9487 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    4 days in Gara LV’s, never going back to a stock liner. A little silicone spray in the shell makes them slide in much easier.

  • @strobliss
    @strobliss 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Tbh considering how in depth you guys understand ski construction, and Bob's bootfitting background, I'm actually kinda amazed you never got into zipfits.. they're lifechanging. maybe only the closest thing I've found similar in terms of fit is the atomic foam injection liners. Just a heads up, if you're in a LV boot, and reasonably stocky build, the gara LV (a mid volume liner) takes up too much room in your boot. Consider the corsa, or sidewinder, a low volume liner, especially if you don't have a thin lower leg. That or if you want a mid volume zip fit, get a mid volume last shell.
    Jeff: try a booster strap inside the shell at the top, mimics the effect of the zipfit strap, realllllly locks in the upper cuff, I didn't like the zipfit strap either

  • @digvt
    @digvt 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    on the matter of boot upgrades, no love for the much cheaper booster strap?

    • @Sck519
      @Sck519 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      It's the best upgrade that anyone can and everyone should do

    • @SkiEssentials
      @SkiEssentials  22 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      I used to be a big Booster strap fan but have largely moved on. I am fully aware that many skiers swear by them and love them and that's great, but I now prefer the stock straps on most boots these days as I've found they're more predictable in transmitting energy consistently. I'd get a World Cup Booster, though!

  • @neilburrows6670
    @neilburrows6670 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great review!! Picked up some leather lined Zipfits around '04 from Le Ski Lab, Winter Park with a Dalbello 3 piece Cabrio. Bucket volume shell allowed a nice wide footbed but didn't know about 'World Cupping' so binned them when the ankle pocket became irretrievably wrinkled :( Had the original Gara in San Marco TR2 and switched to LV Gara in Garmont Shaman. Best fit outside of foamed liners! Wife still happy with orrignal higher volume Gara in her Garmont Astras but had heel pressure issues for a couple of weeks whilst breaking them in. Most comparable to the feel of the sport foam Boot Doctor foam liners but those had some foam leak under the heel during fitting. World Cupping with a quick burst of spray silicon inside the shell allows a sublime fit. Seriously, do try it. Without using the silicon, liner sometimes just doesn't seat right :/ Perhaps it's the grippy rubber bootboard? Never been happier. Love how the Zipfits never stop molding during the day. Particularly those warm afternoons when feet tend to swell. They really work well with stupidly thin silk ski socks. Have now bought some Work Horse with the thinner leather liner (& 20% more OMFit) but haven't tried them yet. Daughter loves the 26.5 Work Horse in her 25.5 Salomon Shift Alpha BOA 115 with added cork in the tongues and needs the 'ski boot horn' as sold by Zipfit to 'World Cup' past the walk mode mechanism. Will also be getting the GFT touring version for the Technica Guide Zero G. Can't say enough good things about the Zipfits :) Plus one for use with a Hotgear Bag.

  • @mikesandydotnet
    @mikesandydotnet 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I am on only my fourth day with ZipFit Freeride liners. Despite all the good reviews I had read prior to purchasing, I was still surprised by how great they have been. Aside from the precise fit around the heel and ankle, two other features appealed to me: the flexible neoprene toe box and the flexible fluted cuff. I have a wide forefoot, and skiing with the stock liners caused pain. I was pretty sure I would need to stretch my shells to add width a second time. But the flexible neoprene forefoot has eliminated any painful forefoot compression compared to skiing with the stock liner, which is relatively narrow and full of thick foam around the forefoot. I also have large calves, and the flexible fluted cuff accommodates my calves better than other liners I have used.

  • @coreyjohnson526
    @coreyjohnson526 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m guessing that these would be the best liners for those of us who wear Vivobarefoot and/or fivefingers on a regular bases? Is there a difference in toe box width between the different models?

  • @lorenroot7667
    @lorenroot7667 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    On and off assist? Spray a bit of silicon to the back of your boots. And warm shells work wonders to slip in to get on

  • @davidcourcelle3461
    @davidcourcelle3461 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    What about compared to a sure-footed injected liner?

    • @SkiEssentials
      @SkiEssentials  นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Not sure! I feel that any foam-injected liner is going to have a similar end result when it comes to performance. The neoprene forefoot of the Zip, on the other hand, may not be a Surefoot thing.

  • @delriv5238
    @delriv5238 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great video. Thanks for the information, I have been thinking about a pair. Are they any warmer?

  • @htpm325
    @htpm325 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Hello gents. Will a Gara HV fit into a Pro Machine 130 size 29.5?
    I know you can add more cork to the LV but I'm scared it won't be enough. My boot fitter was amazed how much he added to the stock liners and I still have the buckles clamped to the max.
    Thank you.

  • @realityczar5739
    @realityczar5739 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for this!

  • @carterfan80
    @carterfan80 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Interesting that you felt they made the boots stiffer. Would you recommend against switching liners if your boot Flex is already on the stiff side? I'm considering going down to a 120 Flex on my next boot. I'm glad you made a direct comparison to the technica Mach 1 130. That's what I own.

  • @Jarequis2
    @Jarequis2 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great review, have you guys tried booster straps? Looking to upgrade my boots will more then likely be getting some zipfits but have heard good things about the booster straps as well.

  • @chrisj6688
    @chrisj6688 42 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Reading a lot of comments online, it seems a good amount of people had to tinker around with adding/removing/moving around the cork material over the course of time to dial in the fit (though it also sounded like most everyone was quite happy with the results).
    If I'm a casual who will probably only get around 10 days at most a season, will I be better off with the stock liner if it's working fine for me? I can still ski hard, it's just my days are limited these days to having kids who are going to be learning for the next few seasons...

  • @jamesspadaro1996
    @jamesspadaro1996 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Any thoughts on how these compare to Surefoot liners?

  • @LB-kg2xh
    @LB-kg2xh 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    think i need to finally pull the trigger. From what i have heard these are just as important as look pivots and booster straps for the expert skier. On a side note can we see the kore 106ti and their new hybrid attack binding next please!

  • @donkeyracer6551
    @donkeyracer6551 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks guys. So you think one could go down a flex in the boot since liners are stiff and lockin fitting? Thanks

    • @weridebikes1000
      @weridebikes1000 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I would not, I don't find the liners exceptionally still. I had intuitions that were stiffer.

  • @nvrluki7608
    @nvrluki7608 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Does the workhorse work with snowboard boots?

  • @donkeyracer6551
    @donkeyracer6551 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Jeff-can’t you put liner in boot then snug laces then boa? Thanks

  • @JohnKiger-c9i
    @JohnKiger-c9i 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Second the endorsement of heated boot bags. Not only makes sliding the Zipfits into the shell easy, it also keeps your feet warmer for longer than anything short of toe warmers or heated socks/footbeds. I have also used waterproof shoe covers over the Zipfits for driving up to the mountain in the Zipfits (and even walking around grocery stores after skiing), so you're ready to slip into the (heated) shells right out of the car.

    • @SkiEssentials
      @SkiEssentials  8 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Next level with the galoshes! Definitely forwarding this to Jeff.

  • @steffanadams936
    @steffanadams936 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think if performance is awesome with double BOA +zipfit it’s worth taking an extra minute to get them on. I’m sold.

  • @JabroniJimmy
    @JabroniJimmy 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think given my smaller calves I should be in the market for the Gara.
    Would the gara high volume be better suited for a 100mm last boot shell?

    • @bobsmith4126
      @bobsmith4126 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Bootfitter here. Depends how tight a 100mm boot fits on you. The only difference between lv and hv is the amount of cork that they have. If the 100mm boot is a tight performance fit get the gara LV. Adding cork to the zip fit is easier than taking it out so if the lv is loose you can always add more cork.

    • @SkiEssentials
      @SkiEssentials  14 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      This is a great question, and we'll defer to professional boot fitters and ZipFit experts for the proper answer.

  • @toddstein3561
    @toddstein3561 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Bob, do you use the laces and velcro strap on the Workhorse, just the laces or neither?

    • @bobsmith4126
      @bobsmith4126 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Advice from someone who fits zip fits regularly, use the liner as intended. Don’t go ripping the powerstrap or the laces off as quick as these guys did. Also putting it on correctly is essential. If you can’t or don’t want to World Cup into your boot don’t buy a zip fit. You are ruining the liner if you don’t and you won’t get the best fit.

    • @SkiEssentials
      @SkiEssentials  4 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Currently I use neither in the Workhorse and it works great. For any re-molding that I do, I lace it up and then go into the shell.

  • @scb67
    @scb67 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Oem liners last 150 days at most! There are skiers (Ski Patrollers for example) that have 700 plus days and still working . The cork does not really pack out and you can always add or subtract cork. In the long run…it may be cheaper to pay for ZipFits

  • @rmnley
    @rmnley 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    They're not cheap, but they will last a decade of serious use which is crazy.

  • @OCDlafsen
    @OCDlafsen 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Conclusion: Give feedback = Give Feet Back. Got it!

  • @ericmehling3620
    @ericmehling3620 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Zip fit vs atomic hawx professional liner?

  • @TheRetiredGuy
    @TheRetiredGuy 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    How would you compare this to a Mimic professional liner? You should get very good heal lock with the foam and they are less costly.

    • @weridebikes1000
      @weridebikes1000 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I had the Atomic mimic liner, packed out in 45 days. I'm on my 2nd season, 70ish days in ZF's with minimal packing, remedied by adding more cork.

    • @SkiEssentials
      @SkiEssentials  10 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Probably similar end results, especially with this foam injection liner. The thing about the ZipFit is the ease of use and if the Mimic doesn't have a soft and supple forefoot zone, then there's that.

  • @Triple7vn
    @Triple7vn 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Speaking of Tecnica and stock liners in general. I have the Cochise 130 from a few seasons ago. The liner is fantastic, but it has packed out. The shell is still great though. I am on my 4th season with these, how long do stock liners last? I do 20-40 days each season, is my liner technically shot?

    • @TheHambrglr
      @TheHambrglr 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah safe bet that your liner is either fully packed out or very close to it skiing 20-40 days/season. You’ll be able to feel it as well, for example if you notice your heel starting to lift/move or other areas of slop. Most stock liners can last anywhere from 60-100 days depending on how aggressive you are. As a bootfitter, once that liners packed out theres no solution. I can always make a boot bigger but never smaller. If you have a lot of slop you can try jbars/heel locks/foam in other areas to compensate and maybe get you through the rest of the season

    • @samkingston8999
      @samkingston8999 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Liners last 1-2 seasons your liners are almost definitely shot at this point.

    • @rmnley
      @rmnley 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I packed out my stock liner in 70 days of solid skiing, bought a zipfit after doing some research and have 60 days in them now. I can suggest them 100%. They will last you 1000 days if you take care of them, some have done even more

    • @Triple7vn
      @Triple7vn 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks guys. What do you think: ZipFits or Surefoots?

    • @scb67
      @scb67 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Zip fits for the win! Surefoot liners still pack out.

  • @antoineozaneaux6881
    @antoineozaneaux6881 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    i lace mine up real tight , that way it creates even more void spaces in the shell .

  • @donkeyracer6551
    @donkeyracer6551 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m going to buy a garbage bag for a jacket for these badass liners😂

  • @SigurorHalldorsson
    @SigurorHalldorsson 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Used the laces from my Hoka running shoes after the original broke. like it much better :)

    • @SkiEssentials
      @SkiEssentials  21 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      This is a nice idea!

  • @ClemsonJohnson
    @ClemsonJohnson 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The website says the workhorse is good for 150 days, not 500. Regardless, great review. I have been wondering about how a perfect fit liner might bring me to the next level.

    • @bobsmith4126
      @bobsmith4126 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The workhorse will last way more than 500 days. Trust me.

    • @993ts
      @993ts 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      They’re made to be worn 150 days a season, season after season. Not 150 days total.

  • @mnms1101
    @mnms1101 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Ever try out Sidas CRT liner?

  • @Sck519
    @Sck519 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Does anyone have experience with zipfits in a cabrio style boot?

    • @bobsmith4126
      @bobsmith4126 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Will be just as good performance wise as it would be in a 4 buckle 2 piece boot. Honestly awesome in a cabrio because putting it on first and then stepping into the shell is so much easier with the folding tongue.

  • @vashusan1984
    @vashusan1984 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    My next set of boots will have these liners installed immediately. I'm already saving the pennies for a full custom boot fit.

  • @ericdur2108
    @ericdur2108 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Zipfit makes a boot horn to solve the sliding in issue