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Great content...but there are way too many adverts for such a short video. It would be more reasonable to have one at the start and ONE in the middle...no more. Its just fucking annoying otherwise.
What I really like about green dot videos is that he puts light on aviation incidents that are not well known instead of the few who have been talked about in many other documentaries and videos.
Also, ones that are near disasters and not just strictly disasters. It gives the video a bit of mystery instead of knowing that in every video everyone is going to die.
My father retired as a UAL captain flying 747s out of SF to Asia. There are no TH-cam videos about him, but that’s because he never made a dangerous decision in 35 years as a pilot. There are so many like him who studied hard, flew well, and delivered hundreds of thousands of people safely around the world. And that’s a decent legacy. :-)
I could see my kids making this same comment. But there are a couple decisions I'd make differently after 39 years and 30,000 hours. But fortunately, like your dad, nothing bad has ever resulted from my choices. Congrats on his retirement, I'm hoping to join that group soon.
My former father in law was one of the first UAL pilots and the same was true of him. He passed away in the 1990s, after having been retired for over 30 years
8:16 "and the crew declared an emergency to air traffic control" - the rare case where air traffic control will be happy to hear a declaration of emergency - an emergency is still lots better than a crash that has already happened.
I was on that flight. Right after the engine cut out the Captin got on the intercom and said "This version of the 747 is 25% more fuel efficient than any other 747".
Former resident of Avalon Park here. I was 10 at the time. I remember being woken up by the vibrations and my parents screaming. If it got a little higher then it did I probably would of slept through it. You got used to planes going over after a while, it was part of living there. Whenever they were lower then normal we felt uneasy. Me and my little sister slept together that night as we were scared. I live in Dallas now and my sister lives in San Mateo.
@@maggaveli6764 I live in Cincinnati, the greater Cincinnati Airport is right across the ohio River in Northern Kentucky about 2 miles from home the way the crow flies. I grew up hearing aircraft coming and going at all hours of the day and night. 0ne Sunday morning in 66 I outside getting the Sunday morning paper. It was so foggy cars on the road could only creep at walking speed. Just then a 727 flew over lower than any plane I had previously seen.it crossed the river covered by the fog and BOOOOOOM! THE FIRE, THE GROUND SHOOK I Couldn't believe what I had just witnessed. To make matters worse, my neighbors Mr and mrs McAfee were on that plane. She was identified by her ring found on a hand. She was afraid to fly but the family talked her into it. She was killed 2 miles from home, no one could believe it, the guilt everyone had telling her how safe flying is God rest his and her soles..0
I live in San Francisco and pass the airport all the time. The San Bruno mountains are clearly visible from the airport and don't leave much room for error in an incident such as this. Lots of credit to the pilots and very scary.
You've quickly become one of my favorite airtraffic disaster channels. Your narration and quality research paired with excellent visuals make for some amazing educational content!
@@solidfuel0 Are you cracked out? This is quality for TH-cam. If you expect so much maybe you should go watch TV or something. No one asked for your negative opinion.
@@solidfuel0for a youtube video made in under a month with little to no budgets available, these are the best visuals i've ever seen on an air disaster channel.
Airtraffic disaster? Wtf is that supposed to mean. First of all, there was no disaster in this video. It was close to disaster. Also wtf is airtraffic in your context? Do u mean aviation disaster? You’re like 10 years old. Get outta here
Yahahaha... just heard your little segway into the sponsor ad... chuckles.. very smooth indeed. Hehehe... that really did make me chuckle with appreciation for the smarts. Love it
I would be interested in your take on Olympic flight 411 over Athens which seems to have similarities to this incident but on that occasion the pilots were hailed as heroes for ignoring the standard operating procedures and saving the day.
if it crashed it would have been the 3rd deadliest plane crash ever. as there was around 400 people on board. It would have only been behind JAL123 and the Tenerife Airport Collision
The main difference between the crew of this flight and the crew of the Olympic flight is *why* the pilots did not follow their SOPs. For this flight, the pilots didn't follow SOPs because their instincts directed them not to. The Olympic flight's crew didn't exactly ignore the SOPs; rather, they applied their deeper knowledge and reasoning to make the critical decision to override the SOPs. That's the difference. One was negligent, the other was intelligent.
@@GreenDotAviation you'll definitely do the OA411/Captain Migadis flight justice. Mentour and a couple others did it and your treatment will be excellent.
There was a flight in Athens Greece that faced a similar incident where they'd lost engine power on their (I believe) No 3 engine on take off, and only just managed to avoid a terrain collision into Pan's Hill before slowly recovering and returning to the airport.
to elaborate here for people who don't know that one: the weather was very hot, making their engines less efficient on top of having lost one. and another engine had recently been repaired and was supposed to be on reduced power. with how slow they were, them flying very low and and the pilots doing a fabulous job was what kept them from stalling.
Mini Air Crash Investigation covered this one a while ago but your video is perfectly complementary. Your graphics and animations are superb as well as your camera angles!
I am a new but avid binge watcher of your videos and it’s been my release for quitting smoking (I know it’s odd but I love them so much). Though this one was a close call I’d love to know how the engine failed but also what shocked me was that the captain openly said and even apologised that he made a mistake not helping the first officer. A lot of the time you hear of captains being arrogant so props to him. Love from the land of Cornwall 😂😂
Idk if it was included in the final report or not, but it would have been interesting to know what happened to the engine to fail at TO. I would have appreciated this info in your video, but none the less great content, and visuals, as always 😉
i cannot find anything about this on any report, just how some regulations were changed regarding pilot training as an aftermath. coupled with the design of an engine to detach itself in case of massive structural failure without damaging the plane, as well as planes not being over reliant on just one engine to be able to fly and land safely to the nearest runway, my guess is that it is expected that an engine can potentially fail during flight, even with proper maintenance. conclusion... the engine simply malfunctioned and it was nothing worth reporting. what was important was that pilot training has been upped for such an eventuality to properly respond. but that's my 2 cents. yes, i am also curious what exactly happened to the engine.
I lived in the bay area and remembered this on the news. Planes taking off runway 28R and 28L heading straight out will be well clear of the San Bruno mountain. They seriously drifted off course and got lucky there was no collision.
The production quality of your channel is absolutely incredible. One thing I think could possibly make your production quality even better, is to take into account what things look like for your viewers who are watching your videos zoomed in on their phones (like on an S21 Ultra with a 20:9 aspect ratio). An example of this would be to make it so the graphic at 0:47 isn't cutoff for these viewers. Just an idea though, you're killing it regardless.
@@GreenDotAviation I'm watching on a 32" screen and everything's fine. Why would somebody watch such a beautiful video on a phone??? It's one step above radio.
United Flight No. 863 is still used for this route; in fact, another UAL 863 (this time a 787) was on the taxiway when Air Canada 759 nearly crashed into it along with four other planes on a taxiway. Nearly meaning about 10-20 feet of separation.
omg. I made almost that same flight in a United 747-400 out of SFO a year later but to Manilla instead of Sydney. Besides San Bruno mountain, there is a tall-ish north-south 'coastal range' that all north or west bound planes have to cross. Watching a jumbo climb up out of SFO has always been a little breathtaking.
"dead foot dead engine". Yes propper rudder control was vital here. Crucially important to note is that adverse yaw will no longer occur. You do not want to induce even more drag. Additionally with impropper rudder or no rudder, you will have sidelsip. Unfortunately all went wrong. Thank god they recovered
Amusingly, from watching so many of these videos on TH-cam, I actually knew one should use the rudder rather than the control column for an engine failure course correction.
The switch of aircraft meaning of course that following correct procedures even more vital since an engine failure at the same moment on one of those would leave you half your normal thrust, not three quarters....
Somehow I'd never heard of this incident, despite having taken United 863 over 20 times. Some of my best childhood memories are on a 747 from SFO to Sydney! Slightly unnerving to see a flight number I know from heart in the title of an airplane crash video.
That's why pre-departure safety briefing is crucial. You discuss potential emergencies and their mitigation. In this case, focusing on the rising terrain in the flight path, an immediate right urn out to sea would have helped, along with a radio call to the tower to clear the path. Better think ahead than think stressfully on the spot.
This is how GA pilots frequently die to stall/spin crashes. It's shockingly bad that a commercial pilot would fail to use the ruder properly in a situation like this.
My question about this, is, exactly why did the number 3 engine overheat in the first place, I mean the plane was only getting started on its jorreny, I get some of the training stuff but why did it heat up in the first place?
I've been through it all with these big corporations. They often lose their focus and that shows up here. Like our government, without true leadership, it will fail.
Also about SFO: During winter storms, planes fly over my area on a weather diversion for {reasons}. two weeks ago when we had our 'bomb cyclone' I saw a 777 coming in quite near, flying almost sideways to its path of travel... No worries.
I couldn't find any info on why the engine had problems during that flight, nor this video covers it compared to others on this channel. Does anybody know what was the cause of the problem?
Although it would have been asymmetrical thrust the F/O should have went to full throttle to gain air speed and apply left rudder to counter act the thrust imbalance and climb out of a near stall
When I took a lifeguard class, we spent 90% of class time, learning the things that would happen 10% of time... i.e. the saving of people, and knowing our responsibilities as lifeguards. I am surprised to hear that many airline pilots don't know how to really fly a plane.
Excellent production, research and explanation of this incident!! Thank you -- and, as always, it's good to know they returned safely to the ground after such a harrowing experience. 👍✈✈👍
Similar flight profile to the astonishing Olympic Airways incident in 1978. Flight OA411 Boeing 747-200 Athens - Ellinikon International to New York - JFK The fuel/pax load heavy aircraft was unable to climb, and remained near stall speed due to issues including errors made by the F/E complicated further by the summer day's high heat radiating off the city, with high terrain profile directly ahead. The aircraft could not turn away, knocked TV antennae off apartment buildings and only cleared the outer city hills by metres. The captain did an unbelievable job. The flight attendants could appreciate their low altitude and expected the worst, while the excited American tourists onboard were snapping photographs thinking it was a special sightseeing departure route!
I love your videos. Please could you tell me, at the knife-edge of stalling and proximity to the ground, why didn't the crew temporarily increase the power on the faulty engine just enough to get past the "knife edge"?
I am a pilot on small aircraft. I have no autopilot. Erg, I fly my plane 100% of the time, so 1,000 hours flying time means that I've flown my plane 1,000 hours. However, for airline pilots who have, say, 10,000 hours flying time, they have, in my opinion, perhaps, 200 actual hours flying time as they are really passengers once they engage the autopilot. I well remember my time under the hood flying by instruments alone with no visual references. which saved my butt on 2 occasions. I firmly believe that a certain percentage of the time a pilot should fly VFR to maintain flying skills.
That's an interesting point. Larry. From what I've learned from these videos ( Green dot and Mentour especially) even if a plane is on autopilot the pilots are monitoring their controls, even when cruising on autopilot, so a percentage of the pilots' time is performing as a technician, I guess. Intersrestingly, speaking with a friend who works for Airbus, her job is to work on future systems that cncel out more of the potential errors of the pilot, which must be a good thing, though ultimately she says that technically there may be one day systems in place that mean a pilot need not be flying the plane.....scary ! Technician or pilot, l for one feel we need skilled human input at the helm
@@matthewcoldicutt5951 Yes, they are "monitoring" their controls. However, they have buzzers, bells and voices to alert them to any malfunction or abnormality. Altogether, too many pilots become complacent and rely on their gadgets. I agree that we should have a human being at the controls. Even the military fighters have computers that will not allow pilots to do certain things.
1:10 "There were no smart phones, so none of the passengers had access to this weeks sponsor!" Hot dog, that's my greatest fear, it keeps me up at night, the idea of being cut off from sponsors before getting squashed, like a bug... on a windshield.
Interesting video. What went wrong with the plane? Your thumbnail displayed what looked like a hydraulic line coupling, but you failed to address that in the video. Is Green Dot becoming just like those other flight disaster review channels?
Terrible link to your sponsor but otherwise up to your usual high standard of video! Why is it that before I am due to take a flight somewhere I am absolutely hooked on these type of things??
Tell you what it would be invaluable having had started your aviation career as a glider pilot if you wanted to be an airline pilot. You are always keenly aware of pitch and roll and you know to primarily use the rudder to steer. That’s why so many of these seem so ridiculous to me having flown gliders at age 14. Granted it was always in the daytime, but knowing the attitude, especially relative to your speed of your aircraft, becomes second nature flying gliders. Now if I wasn’t mentally handicapped when it came to radio communications.
I taught on light twins and 4 engine heavies. It's the same drill. Dead foot, dead engine. If you lose thrust on the left, you'll need right rudder. If you apply and hold the correct amount the control wheel or stick will be centered. If not, the control wheel will be pointing to the direction that you need more rudder.
28R has an Special EFP to steer you away from the terrain in case of an engine failure. We have it published for my company's 747-400 aircraft. Why didnt the FO follow the EFP? Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.
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And great production 👌🏽
Really man, the sly way you introduce your publicity is extremely annoying. Insert it at the start or at the end of your program.
What caused the engine failure?
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Great content...but there are way too many adverts for such a short video. It would be more reasonable to have one at the start and ONE in the middle...no more. Its just fucking annoying otherwise.
What I really like about green dot videos is that he puts light on aviation incidents that are not well known instead of the few who have been talked about in many other documentaries and videos.
Excerpt every time I’m on a plane and something weird happens I’m gonna think “are the pilots panicking up there and everything just looks fine?”
I like that he doesn't repeat the same facts over and over to stretch 15 minutes out to an hour like all modern documentaries
Yes, I like it coz it is very technical that I can relate to
Agreed. When he does do one on a well known event he finds new nuggets of info that wasn't in the others.
Also, ones that are near disasters and not just strictly disasters. It gives the video a bit of mystery instead of knowing that in every video everyone is going to die.
“So unfortunately, none of the passengers had access to this week’s sponsor” 😂😂😂
Savage words before sponsors lol
Flawless transition
My father retired as a UAL captain flying 747s out of SF to Asia. There are no TH-cam videos about him, but that’s because he never made a dangerous decision in 35 years as a pilot. There are so many like him who studied hard, flew well, and delivered hundreds of thousands of people safely around the world. And that’s a decent legacy. :-)
He did well, but sometimes its a confluence of circumstances that can doom even the best
I could see my kids making this same comment. But there are a couple decisions I'd make differently after 39 years and 30,000 hours. But fortunately, like your dad, nothing bad has ever resulted from my choices. Congrats on his retirement, I'm hoping to join that group soon.
My former father in law was one of the first UAL pilots and the same was true of him. He passed away in the 1990s, after having been retired for over 30 years
He would of had to of had others flying alongside him over them years have any of them ever lost a plane & souls ?
Such a weird comment to leave on a video where 300 people nearly died
8:16 "and the crew declared an emergency to air traffic control" - the rare case where air traffic control will be happy to hear a declaration of emergency - an emergency is still lots better than a crash that has already happened.
I was on that flight. Right after the engine cut out the Captin got on the intercom and said "This version of the 747 is 25% more fuel efficient than any other 747".
Are you serious??? That's insanely random if so and I guess would slightly distract me from the Rhine failure depending on how he said it.
Former resident of Avalon Park here. I was 10 at the time. I remember being woken up by the vibrations and my parents screaming. If it got a little higher then it did I probably would of slept through it. You got used to planes going over after a while, it was part of living there. Whenever they were lower then normal we felt uneasy. Me and my little sister slept together that night as we were scared. I live in Dallas now and my sister lives in San Mateo.
Interesting story! I'm just confused by the fact that a plane passes over a place in less than 10 seconds, so how were y'all so scared?
How was the tension around the neighborhood after this?
Had I lived there, I would surely have been looking for ways to gtfo
@@hazikaiyan5903 usually you're accustomed to normal plane sounds, however you can tell when a plane sounds abnormal
@@maggaveli6764 I live in Cincinnati, the greater Cincinnati Airport is right across the ohio River in Northern Kentucky about 2 miles from home the way the crow flies. I grew up hearing aircraft coming and going at all hours of the day and night. 0ne Sunday morning in 66 I outside getting the Sunday morning paper. It was so foggy cars on the road could only creep at walking speed. Just then a 727 flew over lower than any plane I had previously seen.it crossed the river covered by the fog and BOOOOOOM! THE FIRE, THE GROUND SHOOK I Couldn't believe what I had just witnessed. To make matters worse, my neighbors Mr and mrs McAfee were on that plane. She was identified by her ring found on a hand. She was afraid to fly but the family talked her into it. She was killed 2 miles from home, no one could believe it, the guilt everyone had telling her how safe flying is God rest his and her soles..0
So where do your cousins live??🤭
I live in San Francisco and pass the airport all the time. The San Bruno mountains are clearly visible from the airport and don't leave much room for error in an incident such as this. Lots of credit to the pilots and very scary.
Did you watch the video…
@@SamFarley098lmao obviously not
That sponsorship insert was sooo smooth
Concise, straightforward, and insightful. Excellent job! You've earned a sub.
Great channel.
You've quickly become one of my favorite airtraffic disaster channels.
Your narration and quality research paired with excellent visuals make for some amazing educational content!
true that very educational
What excellent visuals... have you seen a documentary before in your life? So easily impressed
@@solidfuel0 Are you cracked out? This is quality for TH-cam. If you expect so much maybe you should go watch TV or something. No one asked for your negative opinion.
@@solidfuel0for a youtube video made in under a month with little to no budgets available, these are the best visuals i've ever seen on an air disaster channel.
Airtraffic disaster? Wtf is that supposed to mean. First of all, there was no disaster in this video. It was close to disaster. Also wtf is airtraffic in your context? Do u mean aviation disaster? You’re like 10 years old. Get outta here
These graphics are unbelievable. Excellent job all around. Thumbs up and share.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This channel makes me wanna become a pilot at the same time giving me a phobia of flying.
Omg I've been feeling the same wayyyyy
Exactly what I’m feeling lol
I used to live in South San Francisco, directly beneath the typical climbout path...the sound of a 747 or A380 at TOGA power is pretty crazy.
Yahahaha... just heard your little segway into the sponsor ad... chuckles.. very smooth indeed. Hehehe... that really did make me chuckle with appreciation for the smarts. Love it
I would be interested in your take on Olympic flight 411 over Athens which seems to have similarities to this incident but on that occasion the pilots were hailed as heroes for ignoring the standard operating procedures and saving the day.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into this one!
if it crashed it would have been the 3rd deadliest plane crash ever. as there was around 400 people on board. It would have only been behind JAL123 and the Tenerife Airport Collision
The main difference between the crew of this flight and the crew of the Olympic flight is *why* the pilots did not follow their SOPs. For this flight, the pilots didn't follow SOPs because their instincts directed them not to. The Olympic flight's crew didn't exactly ignore the SOPs; rather, they applied their deeper knowledge and reasoning to make the critical decision to override the SOPs. That's the difference. One was negligent, the other was intelligent.
@@GreenDotAviation you'll definitely do the OA411/Captain Migadis flight justice. Mentour and a couple others did it and your treatment will be excellent.
@@potato1907 TIL: 288 passengers + 19 crew = "around 400 people"
There was a flight in Athens Greece that faced a similar incident where they'd lost engine power on their (I believe) No 3 engine on take off, and only just managed to avoid a terrain collision into Pan's Hill before slowly recovering and returning to the airport.
one of four that is scary so heavy at take off is the risk it appears?
Olympic airways flight 411 great story!
@@mrlinguini83 The Olympic Airlines pilot & first officer displayed superb airmanship in that incident.
to elaborate here for people who don't know that one:
the weather was very hot, making their engines less efficient on top of having lost one. and another engine had recently been repaired and was supposed to be on reduced power.
with how slow they were, them flying very low and and the pilots doing a fabulous job was what kept them from stalling.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Mini Air Crash Investigation covered this one a while ago but your video is perfectly complementary. Your graphics and animations are superb as well as your camera angles!
Green Dot is one of the best aviation channels! You deserve many more subs, and you will get them!
You really have a knack for story telling. Another exceptional video dude!
Thank you very much!
I love your Chanel, I’m an airport employee and binge watching these. Crazy how much content there is to be made…
Is his Chanel number 5? 😛
I love the way all these aviation channels transmit their programs: very professional, well documented and most of all well informed!
1:09 - 1:16. I thought that was smooth 😄👍.
Nice video.
I am a new but avid binge watcher of your videos and it’s been my release for quitting smoking (I know it’s odd but I love them so much). Though this one was a close call I’d love to know how the engine failed but also what shocked me was that the captain openly said and even apologised that he made a mistake not helping the first officer. A lot of the time you hear of captains being arrogant so props to him. Love from the land of Cornwall 😂😂
Idk if it was included in the final report or not, but it would have been interesting to know what happened to the engine to fail at TO. I would have appreciated this info in your video, but none the less great content, and visuals, as always 😉
i cannot find anything about this on any report, just how some regulations were changed regarding pilot training as an aftermath. coupled with the design of an engine to detach itself in case of massive structural failure without damaging the plane, as well as planes not being over reliant on just one engine to be able to fly and land safely to the nearest runway, my guess is that it is expected that an engine can potentially fail during flight, even with proper maintenance. conclusion... the engine simply malfunctioned and it was nothing worth reporting. what was important was that pilot training has been upped for such an eventuality to properly respond. but that's my 2 cents. yes, i am also curious what exactly happened to the engine.
I lived in the bay area and remembered this on the news. Planes taking off runway 28R and 28L heading straight out will be well clear of the San Bruno mountain. They seriously drifted off course and got lucky there was no collision.
The production quality of your channel is absolutely incredible. One thing I think could possibly make your production quality even better, is to take into account what things look like for your viewers who are watching your videos zoomed in on their phones (like on an S21 Ultra with a 20:9 aspect ratio). An example of this would be to make it so the graphic at 0:47 isn't cutoff for these viewers. Just an idea though, you're killing it regardless.
Thank you for the kind words and for this suggestion! It’s a good idea, I’ll see if I can incorporate this 🙏🏼
@@GreenDotAviation I'm watching on a 32" screen and everything's fine. Why would somebody watch such a beautiful video on a phone??? It's one step above radio.
@@alext8828 63% of TH-cam watch time is done on mobile devices.
@@LunaticTheCat The indiscriminate viewers using the wrong aspect ratio. Hey, let's watch Gone With the Wind on a 3-inch screen. Where's the popcorn?
@@LunaticTheCat Yes, like iPads or even iPad minis. Or even iPhone 10 and up. Not old iPhone 7s 😂.
United Flight No. 863 is still used for this route; in fact, another UAL 863 (this time a 787) was on the taxiway when Air Canada 759 nearly crashed into it along with four other planes on a taxiway. Nearly meaning about 10-20 feet of separation.
omg. I made almost that same flight in a United 747-400 out of SFO a year later but to Manilla instead of Sydney. Besides San Bruno mountain, there is a tall-ish north-south 'coastal range' that all north or west bound planes have to cross. Watching a jumbo climb up out of SFO has always been a little breathtaking.
"dead foot dead engine". Yes propper rudder control was vital here. Crucially important to note is that adverse yaw will no longer occur.
You do not want to induce even more drag. Additionally with impropper rudder or no rudder, you will have sidelsip.
Unfortunately all went wrong. Thank god they recovered
Amusingly, from watching so many of these videos on TH-cam, I actually knew one should use the rudder rather than the control column for an engine failure course correction.
This channel is pure gold. Great work, thank you.
Thank you 😊
He's the best.Just wish he could bring out one a week...
that transition to sponsor tho, A+
Smoothest ad transition this side of the Mississippi
The switch of aircraft meaning of course that following correct procedures even more vital since an engine failure at the same moment on one of those would leave you half your normal thrust, not three quarters....
That first officer responded exactly how I would have responded in this situation. I’ve never been in a cockpit in my life!
You're a good teacher! As soon as I heard he used the control stick to maintain straight attitude, straight away I thought 'should be rudder?'. 👍
Somehow I'd never heard of this incident, despite having taken United 863 over 20 times. Some of my best childhood memories are on a 747 from SFO to Sydney! Slightly unnerving to see a flight number I know from heart in the title of an airplane crash video.
" Too low, terrain! Too low, terrain!!". " Ahhh, finally some ground effect to keep me afloat"
Always stoked when I see another one of your vids pop up. Great work again!
Thank you!
i've now watched every one of your videos. excellent series.
Another amazing video, Honestly !.. As for the incident, its about as close as it gets
This is the only channel i have notifications on for because it's so good! Thanks for your efforts!
How nice to hear! Glad you're enjoying the vids :)
The best aviation channel ❤️
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More to come!
That's why pre-departure safety briefing is crucial. You discuss potential emergencies and their mitigation. In this case, focusing on the rising terrain in the flight path, an immediate right urn out to sea would have helped, along with a radio call to the tower to clear the path.
Better think ahead than think stressfully on the spot.
This is how GA pilots frequently die to stall/spin crashes. It's shockingly bad that a commercial pilot would fail to use the ruder properly in a situation like this.
Captain Sifis Migadis watching this: I’ve seen this one, it’s a classic. Great job boys, I see I’ve trained you well.
the part when he said they didnt have mobile phones was a good start to advertise the sponser😅
Woo Green Dot is a welcome surprise to end the work week
That sponsor ad was sooooo smooth.. 😂
Great work on this one. I have one question. What caused the engine failure in the first place?
Yeah I was wondering that too.
Compressor stall according to media reports at the time.
Another fantastic video. Keep em coming 👍
Thank you, more on the way!
Just found your channel and I’ve been binge watching all day 😂
My question about this, is, exactly why did the number 3 engine overheat in the first place, I mean the plane was only getting started on its jorreny, I get some of the training stuff but why did it heat up in the first place?
Really can’t believe United didn’t allow a pilot to properly practice and fly, I’m very glad that’s long since changed!
I've been through it all with these big corporations. They often lose their focus and that shows up here. Like our government, without true leadership, it will fail.
Also about SFO: During winter storms, planes fly over my area on a weather diversion for {reasons}. two weeks ago when we had our 'bomb cyclone' I saw a 777 coming in quite near, flying almost sideways to its path of travel... No worries.
Probably a crosswind landing
I couldn't find any info on why the engine had problems during that flight, nor this video covers it compared to others on this channel. Does anybody know what was the cause of the problem?
I’m going with thrust asymmetry in imc. Let’s see if I’m right
Green dot aviation notification on TH-cam? Yes please! Keep it up, i love your content
Thank you! More on the way 😎
Although it would have been asymmetrical thrust the F/O should have went to full throttle to gain air speed and apply left rudder to counter act the thrust imbalance and climb out of a near stall
Agreed David but at the heat of the moment,, who can blame him?
@@UV0023 Everyone can blame him. This is unbelievably poor airmanship.
one of the best parts of this video is your advert Segway. lol
😂😂
a 15:00 min video.with more than 20 ads?
GFY
When I took a lifeguard class, we spent 90% of class time, learning the things that would happen 10% of time... i.e. the saving of people, and knowing our responsibilities as lifeguards. I am surprised to hear that many airline pilots don't know how to really fly a plane.
They are very trained and know how to fly a plane
This happened in my area, have never heard of it though! Sounds really intense. Awesome Video GreenDot.
Thank you!
Me too! I never heard of this case before!
Thank you Joey!!
Excellent production, research and explanation of this incident!! Thank you -- and, as always, it's good to know they returned safely to the ground after such a harrowing experience. 👍✈✈👍
Thank you! 🙏🏼
but... i don't need endel to relax me.
air crash investigation relaxes me lololol
My go-to air crash investigation channel now. Please consider making videos for Lockerbie, Air India and Tenerife 1977! Thank you.
Your sponsor transition was pretty funny!
Thx 4 sharing
bro you are the best
Can’t count how many times I used to board United 747s with that old livery and at night too (usually prefer to fly at night).
Similar flight profile to the astonishing Olympic Airways incident in 1978.
Flight OA411 Boeing 747-200 Athens - Ellinikon International to New York - JFK
The fuel/pax load heavy aircraft was unable to climb, and remained near stall speed due to issues including errors made by the F/E complicated further by the summer day's high heat radiating off the city, with high terrain profile directly ahead. The aircraft could not turn away, knocked TV antennae off apartment buildings and only cleared the outer city hills by metres.
The captain did an unbelievable job. The flight attendants could appreciate their low altitude and expected the worst, while the excited American tourists onboard were snapping photographs thinking it was a special sightseeing departure route!
I'm a new sub to Green Dot and love the content. But why so many adverts?
I love your videos. Please could you tell me, at the knife-edge of stalling and proximity to the ground, why didn't the crew temporarily increase the power on the faulty engine just enough to get past the "knife edge"?
It was shut off it seams
I am a pilot on small aircraft. I have no autopilot. Erg, I fly my plane 100% of the time, so 1,000 hours flying time means that I've flown my plane 1,000 hours. However, for airline pilots who have, say, 10,000 hours flying time, they have, in my opinion, perhaps, 200 actual hours flying time as they are really passengers once they engage the autopilot. I well remember my time under the hood flying by instruments alone with no visual references. which saved my butt on 2 occasions. I firmly believe that a certain percentage of the time a pilot should fly VFR to maintain flying skills.
That's an interesting point. Larry. From what I've learned from these videos ( Green dot and Mentour especially) even if a plane is on autopilot the pilots are monitoring their controls, even when cruising on autopilot, so a percentage of the pilots' time is performing as a technician, I guess. Intersrestingly, speaking with a friend who works for Airbus, her job is to work on future systems that cncel out more of the potential errors of the pilot, which must be a good thing, though ultimately she says that technically there may be one day systems in place that mean a pilot need not be flying the plane.....scary ! Technician or pilot, l for one feel we need skilled human input at the helm
@@matthewcoldicutt5951 Yes, they are "monitoring" their controls. However, they have buzzers, bells and voices to alert them to any malfunction or abnormality. Altogether, too many pilots become complacent and rely on their gadgets. I agree that we should have a human being at the controls. Even the military fighters have computers that will not allow pilots to do certain things.
Did I miss the part of the video about why the engine failed? I was interested in that too.
Hey, love your videos! Just a piece of advice, try muting your mic when you take pauses. Otherwise we can hear you swallowing :)
Had the FO kept the nose down, would they have hit the mountain?
can you control the thrust for each engine on a 747 individually?
Yes
Nice video. But what actually caused the engine problem at the first place?
Thanks! There is no info about the original cause that I could find online.
@@GreenDotAviation Oh wow. Unusual... Hopefully someone can dig that up.
1:10 "There were no smart phones, so none of the passengers had access to this weeks sponsor!" Hot dog, that's my greatest fear, it keeps me up at night, the idea of being cut off from sponsors before getting squashed, like a bug... on a windshield.
Interesting video. What went wrong with the plane? Your thumbnail displayed what looked like a hydraulic line coupling, but you failed to address that in the video. Is Green Dot becoming just like those other flight disaster review channels?
Thank god everybody is ok.
Nice Vid!
Second
Terrible link to your sponsor but otherwise up to your usual high standard of video! Why is it that before I am due to take a flight somewhere I am absolutely hooked on these type of things??
Can you do a video on the 737 max crashes
Tell you what it would be invaluable having had started your aviation career as a glider pilot if you wanted to be an airline pilot. You are always keenly aware of pitch and roll and you know to primarily use the rudder to steer. That’s why so many of these seem so ridiculous to me having flown gliders at age 14. Granted it was always in the daytime, but knowing the attitude, especially relative to your speed of your aircraft, becomes second nature flying gliders. Now if I wasn’t mentally handicapped when it came to radio communications.
Do you use Microsoft flight simulator for your video?
Stupid question but is the video made using a 747-8 vs a 747-400? Not trying to point out faults just curious..
We need more close call stories
Is using the rudder to correct asymmetric thrust standard practice on all large commercials jets?
I taught on light twins and 4 engine heavies. It's the same drill. Dead foot, dead engine. If you lose thrust on the left, you'll need right rudder. If you apply and hold the correct amount the control wheel or stick will be centered. If not, the control wheel will be pointing to the direction that you need more rudder.
Oh wow…. ❤
New Microsoft Flight Simulator has incredible graphics!
Absolutely!
28R has an Special EFP to steer you away from the terrain in case of an engine failure. We have it published for my company's 747-400 aircraft. Why didnt the FO follow the EFP? Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.
Any plans on doing videos on the Max8's or MH 370?
The 747 depicted was a 747-800 with its wings with raked tips. That is not the case in a 747-400 which has winglets.
I was gonna say that!
That's right Sheldon!
It seems like all airports were built around mountains.