@@ImDredd4ever Hi Neil, I use MSFS (sometimes XP11) for these videos. Both are fantastic but MSFS is more visually impressive. Glad you're enjoying the videos :)
This reminds me of a driving lesson my mom had taught me when I first started driving. There was a yellow light and I accelerated to go, the hesitated and brakes instead. I over shot the light and stopped a bit into the intersection. My mom said that day “you either commit to stopping or commit to going. Otherwise, you’ll fail at either.”
My CFI drilled it into my head early on... You decide to go around, you go around regardless of improvements in the situation. I try to apply that to all aspects of my life. Love your channel!
The captain and first officer screwed that up royally. Especially the captain trying to take control of an aircraft when he was not in command and not saying he was doing so
Three factors: Qantas had ordered pilots to brake to save fuel instead of using reverse thrust, the runway was wet, and the pilot was distracted by his wife in the cockpit. It cost Qantas more to restore the plane than to replace it, but they wanted to retain their record of never having lost an aircraft.
Thank you for these concise, clearly explained videos. They provide the key technical data at each crucial decision point for the crew, together with the psychological factors colouring the crew’s decision making processes. Personally, I think this channel is superior to its rivals by condensing the most relevant data in order that the critical points of learning are more easily understood and remembered.
Qantas has never actually completely lost a plane and has one of the highest safety ratings of any airline. One of the very few national airlines if not the only one to have never killed anyone. As an Australian do I ever travel on qantas? Hell no, they are super expensive, their service is poor and their food sucks!!
@@timsiragusa9096 yeah you've said that twice without a single source, which I mean.. if its that important to prove otherwise, back it up. Besides that, have they ever lost a plane, has anyone died, you focused on a small fraction of that comment to what, be right twice?
The problem with any Green Dot Aviation video on QANTAS is you know they'll all make it alive to the airport, as to this day QANTAS has never had a major aviation accident, not one!!
The damaged aircraft was a total loss however Qantas chose to repair it so they could keep their perfect record of never having lost an aircraft during an accident.
This channel is by far the best aviation channel on TH-cam…. That’s hard to say since there are so many, yet the animation shows what the crew sees and does, even the part that shows the wiper switch being activated. Such small details add up in the end, showing in almost real time what they were experiencing and doing just before the situation turns critical. That puts this channel way above many out there. Another amazing video…. Great job. Keep up the great work….
It's only a matter of time before Qantas has a major incident. Alan Joyce has absolutely destroyed the company. He keeps getting multimillion dollar bonuses whilst the staff and contractors at all levels are being underpaid, overworked and silenced when they try to speak up about the issues. The safety standards are dropping, and I can foresee a major accident if things don't change. I can highly recommend the ABC (Australian) 4 Corners report on the state of Qantas, it's pretty alarming 😞
Alan Joyce is typical for his ilk. He sings all the correct woke hymns, but he is utterly destroying everything in his wake. It will takes years to rebuild Qantas if, indeed, they find a competent person to lead the company.
After watching many of these videos, I feel like everyone on this flight we're very lucky. Hydroplaning is no joke. I take even driving in the rain very seriously. It's scary watching people recklessly drive or make minor mistakes while the road is wet
The only joke about hydro planing are usually the state of the tires causing it like very little tread or bald, or blokes that drive with the cruise control on in wet weather!
Fantastic presentation as always, very well done. As mentioned in the narration, I was thinking along the same lines, such contrast in CRM with the last vid on flight 32, nice touch.
Reducing engine power to reverse thrust during a NORMAL landing is a good idea, since it reduces fuel consumption, engine wear and structural stress. However, recommendations should never become rules. It is like telling a driver to always brake gently, even when a child runs out into the road.
It's interesting to wonder why this first instinct is to know how to stop a plane on a runway. I drive a 110,000 pound truck and that is always on my mind. Constantly. Perhaps drilling this into the minds of pilots might be a good idea.
@@daftvader4218 Absolutely. It was the captain who was responsible in every way. Firstly by cancelling the go around without clear verbal communication, failing to retard one of the engines and reset the autobrake. Then failing to setup and deploy reverse thrust, while the first officer was concentrating on steering and braking on a wet runway. Was the guy arrogant, or just plane stupid.?
Is the cockpit really that dark (black console) and are the thrust levers really a mid-grey colour? Why do they make the thrust lever positions so hard to see in poor lighting conditions so that it is easy to miss one in an emergency situation? If the software relies on the levers all being in idle for certain crucial operations then surely all the controls should be designed for the settings to be as visible as possible?
Yeah just as the other commenter replied, it's like if you have all the interior lights on in your car at night, it severely reduces your visibility outside of the car due to both your eyes automatically adjusting to the bright lights inside and to the light reflections on the inside of the windows.
Or miss one engine still in full throttle. The captain had no business touching the throttles while not taking control. And not cancelling the go around verbally!
Unless you are professional pilots, your comments make you look like a FOOL. It's easy to be a "Monday morning quarterback" when you've never even played in one football game. IF tou are S-O-O-O Smart, then get a job training airline pilots.
What I was thinking. As a passenger I’m very cognizant of the engines screaming upon landing in full reverse thrusts. How a pilot with 15,000 hrs of flying experience missed this is beyond me.
Great video Green Dot. As always a very well researched and reported incident. On a side note, the graphics of sims are just amazing these days. Thank goodness no one killed or seriously injured.
I don’t understand that Airlines have different regulations anf procedures when it comes to aircraft types, like the mentioned flaps etc. Shouldn’t this be independent from the Airline?Meaning a specific Aircraft type like the 747 should have the same procedures with every airline? For example landing in rain?
Usually the manufacturer's reccomended procedures are the baseline of safety in operation, and companies will further tighten procedures within those boundries to meet their own preffered safety margins.
“Landing in the rain” This summary of weather and a 152 ton to 220 ton chunk of mass is a good example of why you “don’t understand”. You honestly haven’t even tried to understand or even do the slightest bit of research for yourself. You really can’t fathom why not only would it be impossible to have one standard for all of the various types of “rain” and how to land in it for every model of aircraft for every possibly weight configuration, but not also see how stupid it would be to do that when allowing companies who have been operating 1000s of planes for over 100 years can maybe decide how to do it themselves? Seriously wtf?! (Edit) Also what powers do the builders of aircrafts exclusively wield that allow only them to understand the science behind stoping planes? Why also would other builders of aircrafts, in order to out compete the competition not only sell planes but the unwieldy science behind how to stop them? Also have you noticed how long the vast majority of planes have manage to stop even though each company has different procedures? Wtf?!
@@williamwinstrop3918 Its not just stopping the aircraft, but how pilots operate them. For example, an AirCanada A320 once crashed into a power line, because their standard operating procedures did not specify the requirement to check the vertical path during final descent against the chart on a non precision approach. This is absolutely ridiculous, obviously you have to check that on a NPA in complete fog-soup. One more example: Starting engines. Different Airlines have the pilots start different engines first. Why? If there was any inherent reason whatsoever to start a specific enginge first, wouldn't the manufacturer be the best to specify that, rather than the airline?
@@williamwinstrop3918 always that ONE guy. What he's trying to say is: if two companies fly the same plane, why do they fly it differently? Obviously the logic behind the question being that it's the same plane, it should be flown the same way, depending on the variables. You sound like this guy I work with. He thinks you need an engineering degree in order to identify rust, because he's one, and did his calculations. Or something. SeRiOuSlY, mY GuY. WTF? Get laid. You'll feel better.
Okay, I can understand about the reverse thrust, since the captain had switched it to level 4 just before touchdown. But when the plane touched down much farther down And it wasn't decelerating enough, the captain should have ordered full reverse thrust, which in his mind would be a change from the current position of idle reverse thrust and hence would be in line with his logic.
The captain shouldn't have pulled back the throttles without notifying his co-pilot. In fact: the captain should have either done nothing, as his co-pilot was in control of the landing and already was committed to go-around, or he should have called out "my plane" and fully taken over control to continue the landing.
I'm also thinking that since Qantas promoted the Capt to Check Captain, he was leery of doing anything against Qantas SOP. That's all well and good in normal conditions, but he more than anyone should know that the priority is to protect lives as well as the plane. He wouldve went outside of Co policy on some shit...but the plane would have safely stopped!! That's was the objective.
@@tjroelsma BINGO! this is all on the captain from what I've seen. And The pilot flying/ landing is the only person who should have hands on throttles. They were lucky it did not catch fire and kill many ppl.
Mental confusion when too much is happening. This is all a lack of training which costs lots of money because you take pilots out of revenue generating mode and they become an expense. Penny wise, pound foolish.
@@captaindunsell8568 Agreed, this was a situation where training is meant for. For well-trained pilots a situation like this is the proverbial walk in the park, yet it ended in disaster.
The old saying, 'Too many cooks spoil the broth', comes to mind here. The Captain threw in some salt, and didn't tell first officer, who added some more salt without tasting it first, and it all went to s**t! They're very lucky that didn't end up much worse.
Great video. Love the graphics. What happened to the crew after this incident. It would be great to know what happened to the pilots involved in your episodes. How were they disciplined, did it end their career or were they awarded if they did well etc? Seems like the captain was very negligent and hold much of the blame for this plane overshooting the runway.
I heard that the cost of repairs was $96 million. That was very likely more than the residual value of a nine-year-old aircraft. I would assume that the simple solution to getting above the glideslope, that is, overshooting, would be to pop up the spoilers. I don't know whether this would breach standard operating procedures.
This is why weather reports and no-fly conditions are so imperative to keep safety a top priority for aviation. This includes turbulence, snowy weather, and such. Proper training on normal conditions and especially emergencies for all aviation occupations [captain, FO, and engineer included], high experience on all aircraft types with the captain, FO, and FE , routine and accurate maintenance and inspections for trained and certified ground crew, and preflight checks WAY before taxi and takeoff at the hanger and gate are all crucial to providing the safest and most efficient aviation ever. Consistent updates between other aircraft and especially ATC and radar with all avionics fully operational and safely checked. No chances taken from the front to back, left to right of the aircraft and everything around it.
Another excellent video but there was an interesting point you missed in QF's efforts to protect their brand. They spent many thousands of dollars painting out the logos on the plane whilst the recovery was underway.
I thought the plane looked different from a 747-400 and I was also curious why a second officer would be required...as always thanx for these amazing videos and your narration and visuals..U and Mentour Pilot are my two favorite aviation channels on here no doubt
What the F was that captain thinking messing with the throttle like that, without communicating AND missing one engine... my God that is so frustrating.
I'd have thought that cancelling a go-around was always a high-risk procedure, and should not be done just because a captain thinks they can land OK after all.
Remember one very important thing, Qantas has never ever crashed. Not even domestically. Qantas has gone downhill since that little gnome became CEO. It has been a slow decline.
Wow that's really something that you claim to know the entire history of Qantas and their what, millions of flights logged, must be quite the plane/flight enthusiast. Might be a sliiiight bit weird that you claim to know the inner workings of a company and who the sole problem is tho lol. Dunno who the CEO is cuz like.. who cares, but damn bro he got you sour.
@@CyPhaSaRin every Aussie knows the flying kangaroo. We also know that Qantas has had near misses to. The ceo is Alan Joyce less said about him the better. Yes we Aussies are very sour about what has happened to our pride and joy.
@@titchlilly1294 brother I'm a queenslander. Pretty bloody Aussie. Couldn't give a shit about a CEO of any plans company across the globe tho. Last time I flew was Jetstar and I have zero complaints. But yeah I dunno mate last time I remember getting that heated about something is when they dogged Rudd. But politics effect me, whos running Qantas, not so much.
The Captain and the Crews (1st Officers) need to start remedial training immediately. I’m talking about starting back out with a Cessna 172, and working their way back.
I have no respect whatsoever for Qantas's current CEO Allen Joyce. But I have total respect for every Qantas pilot and crew. Despite the airline's greedy CEO Qantas still has the best safety record of any airline.
Sorry if this has been asked before but what spec computer is being run that shows these simulations? The graphics are amazing and very smooth. Also what software is it? Thanks.
Digging into mud will stop a plane if nothing else will, that's true. Qantas dodged a passenger fatality bullet with this, though the aircraft presumably gave its all, the first for a Qantas jumbo jet. The blessing on Qantas' jumbo jet passengers did not fail. But the starkest lesson is not even that they came in too high and hot, but that if you're going to abort a go around, for God's sake at least tell the other pilots, who can then all concentrate on getting the aircraft to stop, just as they would in a normal landing. This plane could presumably have stopped, if perilously close to the end of the runway, with the reverse thrust going. Passengers must have been like dog our cats, this is a strangely quiet touchdown... OH! OH! OH! That roar after touchdown is a very assuring sound to me. Thank goodness again that nobody was badly injured or killed. One shouldn't presume on luck. I'd still overall rather fly Qantas if there was a choice. Qantas doesn't do domestic US routes, of course.
You're saying that after literally watching a show about a QANTAS plane crashing 🤣 They've crashed, alright. They just have killed anyone in a commercial airline crash and they pay for repairs rather than write off the planes so they can keep their 'never having had a total loss of a passenger jet' reputation.
Important counterpoint to the stereotype of pilots in developing countries being poorly trained. These guys did a great job of remaining cool under what must've been a terrible shock. Same goes for the cabin crew, too.
With all the computer processing power available today, why isn’t more automation being made to detect and augment pilot actions in adverse weather during landing. Simple rate of speed reduction calculations could step up the application of more flaps and thrust reversers
thanks reply @@djplayzyt1234 why tho? just seems like weird attempt at influence? why do first comments matter? they all get buried eventually if you see what i mean?
Great A.I. Visuals! But some wrong choices were noted. For example, the latest Gen of Long-Range747s was used, which were not available in the 1990's. Also, an interior cabin shot showed a 2-4-2 Seating Configuration which looked like an A330 instead of a 747's 3-4-3 Seating. But except for such minor details, it was a very well well putv together video, and I'll be watching more! :)
@@novacat5037 Depends on what you interpret as a Flight Simulator. Airlines use them to train Pilots, but they only ever show a view that Pilots would see from the Flight Deck (Cockpit). But THIS Flight Simulator shows scenes from all angles, which could only be created by AI
Roughly speaking, if you scale down a 747 to a meter, the skin would be 0.4 of what an aluminum soda can is. People think of planes as solid hunks of metal, but actually, they are very fragile.
Over the years Qantas has had 2 747 SPs, 747-200, 747-300 & 747-400. According to Wikipedia Qantas has bought 60 747s, 57 new & 3 second hand. Five other 747s had also been leased.
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No thanks. Just want to say Thankyou for telling the story, instead of trying to read and see the videos.👏👏
@@suzieaustin.5905 give into the snail
Love your content. What software or game do you use to make the animation of the aircraft? Thanks for your Time, Neil
@@ImDredd4ever Hi Neil, I use MSFS (sometimes XP11) for these videos. Both are fantastic but MSFS is more visually impressive. Glad you're enjoying the videos :)
What flight sim do you use???
This reminds me of a driving lesson my mom had taught me when I first started driving. There was a yellow light and I accelerated to go, the hesitated and brakes instead. I over shot the light and stopped a bit into the intersection. My mom said that day “you either commit to stopping or commit to going. Otherwise, you’ll fail at either.”
It was on that advice, you were conceived by her.
@@onepalproductions Holy shit! You killed him
commit to stopping when in a car for fucks sake
In my country I don't think you're allowed to accelerate at yellow
@@onepalproductions
🤣😂🤣
You're a cunny funt!
My CFI drilled it into my head early on... You decide to go around, you go around regardless of improvements in the situation. I try to apply that to all aspects of my life. Love your channel!
Good advice! And thank you :)
@Garnet Holman Yep, I ignored that advice for 11 years myself 😀
That struck me as the cardinal sin here.
❤ LIFE advice!
The captain and first officer screwed that up royally. Especially the captain trying to take control of an aircraft when he was not in command and not saying he was doing so
Yeah and not only that. If you are going around touching the ground shouldn't mean you suddenly need to abort it.
Mostly the captain. FO didn’t do a great job but oh well go around. The captain just completely dicked it up.
to be clear, he was in command, but he was not the pilot flying
Three factors: Qantas had ordered pilots to brake to save fuel instead of using reverse thrust, the runway was wet, and the pilot was distracted by his wife in the cockpit. It cost Qantas more to restore the plane than to replace it, but they wanted to retain their record of never having lost an aircraft.
This is crazy. But its amazing what a bit of body bog will do, to get rid of those panel dents......
Thank you for these concise, clearly explained videos. They provide the key technical data at each crucial decision point for the crew, together with the psychological factors colouring the crew’s decision making processes. Personally, I think this channel is superior to its rivals by condensing the most relevant data in order that the critical points of learning are more easily understood and remembered.
Right on. Superior channel indeed.
And no ridiculous engine roar throughout whole video
This too is what caught my eye, the addition of psychological principles and how they are just as important than any physical component.
Qantas has never actually completely lost a plane and has one of the highest safety ratings of any airline. One of the very few national airlines if not the only one to have never killed anyone. As an Australian do I ever travel on qantas? Hell no, they are super expensive, their service is poor and their food sucks!!
They lost a few propeller powered planes
Bangkok aircraft written off by insurance but cost twice as much to build 747
@@timsiragusa9096 yeah you've said that twice without a single source, which I mean.. if its that important to prove otherwise, back it up. Besides that, have they ever lost a plane, has anyone died, you focused on a small fraction of that comment to what, be right twice?
Hmmm I find their food court at every airport to be the best. Guess you just choose a meal that didn't suit your taste buds.
@@CyPhaSaRin just for you since you don't know how to use Google en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qantas_fatal_accidents
The problem with any Green Dot Aviation video on QANTAS is you know they'll all make it alive to the airport,
as to this day QANTAS has never had a major aviation accident, not one!!
Rainman told me that too.
Why though ??? Please tell someone has atleast had a heartattack on the plane and died😂
@@moizfarhat3513Even on 32, no one died from injuries
Well this one didn't end too well 😂😂😂
Yay! Green Dot! Highlight of my day when you upload. Always such excellence.
The damaged aircraft was a total loss however Qantas chose to repair it so they could keep their perfect record of never having lost an aircraft during an accident.
Thanks Capt Obvious
This channel is by far the best aviation channel on TH-cam…. That’s hard to say since there are so many, yet the animation shows what the crew sees and does, even the part that shows the wiper switch being activated. Such small details add up in the end, showing in almost real time what they were experiencing and doing just before the situation turns critical. That puts this channel way above many out there.
Another amazing video…. Great job. Keep up the great work….
Thank you!
You are so right!!
Try Mentour Pilot as well. You'll be instantly hooked.
@@desertstar223 thanks
Yeah he's great but what you described is pretty much the norm, anyone not doing it at at least this level needs to pack their shit up and quit.
It's only a matter of time before Qantas has a major incident. Alan Joyce has absolutely destroyed the company. He keeps getting multimillion dollar bonuses whilst the staff and contractors at all levels are being underpaid, overworked and silenced when they try to speak up about the issues. The safety standards are dropping, and I can foresee a major accident if things don't change. I can highly recommend the ABC (Australian) 4 Corners report on the state of Qantas, it's pretty alarming 😞
Was just going to recommend the same documentary, made for scary watching
At least he’s finally getting pushed out this November.
Alan Joyce is typical for his ilk. He sings all the correct woke hymns, but he is utterly destroying everything in his wake. It will takes years to rebuild Qantas if, indeed, they find a competent person to lead the company.
Alan Joyce has left recently. The Irish Gnome's tenure is over. He wrecked Ryanair before he hit Qantas. I hope we have an Aussie next as CEO....
The longer you go without incident the greater it generally is, touch wood thats wrong
Great work as always
Thanks for your hard work it’s very much appreciated
20:49 Use of the word "relatedly" deserves a like all on its own.
After watching many of these videos, I feel like everyone on this flight we're very lucky. Hydroplaning is no joke. I take even driving in the rain very seriously. It's scary watching people recklessly drive or make minor mistakes while the road is wet
The only joke about hydro planing are usually the state of the tires causing it like very little tread or bald, or blokes that drive with the cruise control on in wet weather!
More of an issue in two wheelers, than 4 wheelers.
Whatever program he’s using to make those videos is freaking amazing. Those night shots look so good, almost like real life
Fantastic presentation as always, very well done. As mentioned in the narration, I was thinking along the same lines, such contrast in CRM with the last vid on flight 32, nice touch.
What is missed is that the reason for the reverse thrust policy was a company desire to reduce fuel use/cost too.
Reducing engine power to reverse thrust during a NORMAL landing is a good idea, since it reduces fuel consumption, engine wear and structural stress. However, recommendations should never become rules. It is like telling a driver to always brake gently, even when a child runs out into the road.
Yeah but the pilots really should have noticed that they weren't stopping and that they had engine power available to stop them.
I’d imagine air plane brakes to be not cheap. Youd think a bit more fuel burn would be cheaper. And less risky/hard on the brakes. 🤷♂️
I find it amusing that all the pilots in your videos have Irish accents! 😉
The famous Aussie brogue!
It's interesting to wonder why this first instinct is to know how to stop a plane on a runway. I drive a 110,000 pound truck and that is always on my mind. Constantly. Perhaps drilling this into the minds of pilots might be a good idea.
Appreciate your videos dude, they always turn out spectacular. Keep up your good work. 👍
Thank you! More on the way ✈️
NEVER let a bean-counter tell you how to fly.
Well done, thank you.
Ultimately, the captain has full control and responsibility for the aircraft, not the company.
@@daftvader4218 Absolutely. It was the captain who was responsible in every way. Firstly by cancelling the go around without clear verbal communication, failing to retard one of the engines and reset the autobrake. Then failing to setup and deploy reverse thrust, while the first officer was concentrating on steering and braking on a wet runway.
Was the guy arrogant, or just plane stupid.?
Plane stupid, good one lol
the 747-8 looks great in Qantas livery
Such a great channel
A landing that you can walk away from is a good landing.
A landing where you can use the plane again is a great landing.
GOOD LANDING.
Is the cockpit really that dark (black console) and are the thrust levers really a mid-grey colour? Why do they make the thrust lever positions so hard to see in poor lighting conditions so that it is easy to miss one in an emergency situation? If the software relies on the levers all being in idle for certain crucial operations then surely all the controls should be designed for the settings to be as visible as possible?
A well lit cockpit would make it much harder to see outside.
Yeah just as the other commenter replied, it's like if you have all the interior lights on in your car at night, it severely reduces your visibility outside of the car due to both your eyes automatically adjusting to the bright lights inside and to the light reflections on the inside of the windows.
"The crew watched helplessly ...". GOOD! I'M OFF THIS FLIGHT!
1:24 was there an a380 in the 1999 msfs mod. As far as I know, the Airbus a380 entered service officially in 2007
❤️💛 Qantas 747-8i is mesmerisingly beautiful
I just subscribed to your channel and Boom! new video appears! ✨
Thank you for your videos.
How can you forget the reverse thrust is beyond me
Or miss one engine still in full throttle. The captain had no business touching the throttles while not taking control. And not cancelling the go around verbally!
Unless you are professional pilots, your comments make you look like a FOOL.
It's easy to be a "Monday morning quarterback"
when you've never even played in one football game.
IF tou are S-O-O-O Smart, then get a job training airline pilots.
@@ArtCurator2020 Do you forget to step the brakes while using a car and wanting to brake?
What I was thinking. As a passenger I’m very cognizant of the engines screaming upon landing in full reverse thrusts. How a pilot with 15,000 hrs of flying experience missed this is beyond me.
Be in their situation, I bet you'll forget the landing gear in normal clear weather conditions😅
Great video Green Dot.
As always a very well researched and reported incident.
On a side note, the graphics of sims are just amazing these days.
Thank goodness no one killed or seriously injured.
I don’t understand that Airlines have different regulations anf procedures when it comes to aircraft types, like the mentioned flaps etc. Shouldn’t this be independent from the Airline?Meaning a specific Aircraft type like the 747 should have the same procedures with every airline? For example landing in rain?
This is indeed a major flaw of commercial aviation. Obviously stupid, honestly.
Usually the manufacturer's reccomended procedures are the baseline of safety in operation, and companies will further tighten procedures within those boundries to meet their own preffered safety margins.
“Landing in the rain”
This summary of weather and a 152 ton to 220 ton chunk of mass is a good example of why you “don’t understand”.
You honestly haven’t even tried to understand or even do the slightest bit of research for yourself.
You really can’t fathom why not only would it be impossible to have one standard for all of the various types of “rain” and how to land in it for every model of aircraft for every possibly weight configuration, but not also see how stupid it would be to do that when allowing companies who have been operating 1000s of planes for over 100 years can maybe decide how to do it themselves?
Seriously wtf?!
(Edit) Also what powers do the builders of aircrafts exclusively wield that allow only them to understand the science behind stoping planes?
Why also would other builders of aircrafts, in order to out compete the competition not only sell planes but the unwieldy science behind how to stop them?
Also have you noticed how long the vast majority of planes have manage to stop even though each company has different procedures?
Wtf?!
@@williamwinstrop3918 Its not just stopping the aircraft, but how pilots operate them. For example, an AirCanada A320 once crashed into a power line, because their standard operating procedures did not specify the requirement to check the vertical path during final descent against the chart on a non precision approach. This is absolutely ridiculous, obviously you have to check that on a NPA in complete fog-soup.
One more example: Starting engines. Different Airlines have the pilots start different engines first. Why? If there was any inherent reason whatsoever to start a specific enginge first, wouldn't the manufacturer be the best to specify that, rather than the airline?
@@williamwinstrop3918 always that ONE guy. What he's trying to say is: if two companies fly the same plane, why do they fly it differently? Obviously the logic behind the question being that it's the same plane, it should be flown the same way, depending on the variables. You sound like this guy I work with. He thinks you need an engineering degree in order to identify rust, because he's one, and did his calculations. Or something. SeRiOuSlY, mY GuY. WTF? Get laid. You'll feel better.
Okay, I can understand about the reverse thrust, since the captain had switched it to level 4 just before touchdown. But when the plane touched down much farther down And it wasn't decelerating enough, the captain should have ordered full reverse thrust, which in his mind would be a change from the current position of idle reverse thrust and hence would be in line with his logic.
The captain shouldn't have pulled back the throttles without notifying his co-pilot.
In fact: the captain should have either done nothing, as his co-pilot was in control of the landing and already was committed to go-around, or he should have called out "my plane" and fully taken over control to continue the landing.
I'm also thinking that since Qantas promoted the Capt to Check Captain, he was leery of doing anything against Qantas SOP. That's all well and good in normal conditions, but he more than anyone should know that the priority is to protect lives as well as the plane. He wouldve went outside of Co policy on some shit...but the plane would have safely stopped!! That's was the objective.
@@tjroelsma BINGO! this is all on the captain from what I've seen. And The pilot flying/ landing is the only person who should have hands on throttles. They were lucky it did not catch fire and kill many ppl.
Mental confusion when too much is happening. This is all a lack of training which costs lots of money because you take pilots out of revenue generating mode and they become an expense. Penny wise, pound foolish.
@@captaindunsell8568 Agreed, this was a situation where training is meant for. For well-trained pilots a situation like this is the proverbial walk in the park, yet it ended in disaster.
For some reason i never considered hydroplaning in a plane itself.
It's very fortunate that everyone survived this.
ha nice shot at 4:42... I'm sure this same exact frame was used in Qantas advertising back in the day
The old saying, 'Too many cooks spoil the broth', comes to mind here. The Captain threw in some salt, and didn't tell first officer, who added some more salt without tasting it first, and it all went to s**t! They're very lucky that didn't end up much worse.
Great video. Love the graphics. What happened to the crew after this incident. It would be great to know what happened to the pilots involved in your episodes. How were they disciplined, did it end their career or were they awarded if they did well etc? Seems like the captain was very negligent and hold much of the blame for this plane overshooting the runway.
Like all good(!!) Corporate businesses, they obviously covered up all the information. Probably.
"Any landing you can walk away from is a good one."
22:11 WOAH no wonder they had so many problems, they had lightning inside the cockpit!
Wait lol that’s actually so funny
Gold
Great work, thank you for this.
I love all the Air crash channels. The flight channel is also very good.
I wish the flight Channel was narrated.
Nice to slip in chem trail briefly at 5:50 mark, added to outboard engine
mr green: “in a few moments, the aircraft became airborne” me:”at 220kts?!”
I heard that the cost of repairs was $96 million. That was very likely more than the residual value of a nine-year-old aircraft. I would assume that the simple solution to getting above the glideslope, that is, overshooting, would be to pop up the spoilers. I don't know whether this would breach standard operating procedures.
This is why weather reports and no-fly conditions are so imperative to keep safety a top priority for aviation. This includes turbulence, snowy weather, and such. Proper training on normal conditions and especially emergencies for all aviation occupations [captain, FO, and engineer included], high experience on all aircraft types with the captain, FO, and FE , routine and accurate maintenance and inspections for trained and certified ground crew, and preflight checks WAY before taxi and takeoff at the hanger and gate are all crucial to providing the safest and most efficient aviation ever. Consistent updates between other aircraft and especially ATC and radar with all avionics fully operational and safely checked. No chances taken from the front to back, left to right of the aircraft and everything around it.
Another excellent video but there was an interesting point you missed in QF's efforts to protect their brand. They spent many thousands of dollars painting out the logos on the plane whilst the recovery was underway.
I thought the plane looked different from a 747-400 and I was also curious why a second officer would be required...as always thanx for these amazing videos and your narration and visuals..U and Mentour Pilot are my two favorite aviation channels on here no doubt
Thanks so much for sharing. 😉👌🏻
I love the music too 😃😃
Qantas would’ve looked so good with a 747-8i such as the one portrayed in this video. Too bad they didn’t purchase any.😕
I heartly laughed at the end. Anyway, good for Qantas
Qantas had many disasters, but no one had died! Good job from Melbourne, Qantas!
Qantas has had fatal accidents, the last was in 1951.
In heavy rain full reverse thrust should be standard when and breaks not great when wet
Such a good video, did justice to the accident.
However, just the sheer stupidity in this accident is infuriating.
Just came across your channel. Great videos. Working my way through them all. Keep up the great work 👍
Thanks, will do! 😁
Cool Video
VH- OJA , that was the 747-400 in the BKK QF , is now respectfully resting at Wollongong Airport NSW as part of the aviation museum 🙏
What the F was that captain thinking messing with the throttle like that, without communicating AND missing one engine... my God that is so frustrating.
It happens
Love this channel! ❤
Very suprising considering qantas is the safest airline in the world with not one fatal accident and they’ve been flying since the 50s!!
I'd have thought that cancelling a go-around was always a high-risk procedure, and should not be done just because a captain thinks they can land OK after all.
After binge watching all these videos, even I know that. Dont know why a pilot wouldn't know that.
Brilliant video. Though it's not "Thigh" it's said like " Tie " love your story telling style. ❤️
It is a good channel indeed. A few incorrectly pronounced words/letters and the use of "however" too much are things I'm sure he'll get better at.
@@RickL_was_here IT'S his Irish accent.
Thank you got my recommendation again!
And this all happened on my birthday 😮
Good stuff-subbed.
Remember one very important thing, Qantas has never ever crashed. Not even domestically. Qantas has gone downhill since that little gnome became CEO. It has been a slow decline.
Not in the jet age. Quite a few propeller powered Qantas flights crashed
Wow that's really something that you claim to know the entire history of Qantas and their what, millions of flights logged, must be quite the plane/flight enthusiast. Might be a sliiiight bit weird that you claim to know the inner workings of a company and who the sole problem is tho lol. Dunno who the CEO is cuz like.. who cares, but damn bro he got you sour.
@@CyPhaSaRin every Aussie knows the flying kangaroo. We also know that Qantas has had near misses to. The ceo is Alan Joyce less said about him the better. Yes we Aussies are very sour about what has happened to our pride and joy.
@@titchlilly1294 brother I'm a queenslander. Pretty bloody Aussie. Couldn't give a shit about a CEO of any plans company across the globe tho. Last time I flew was Jetstar and I have zero complaints. But yeah I dunno mate last time I remember getting that heated about something is when they dogged Rudd. But politics effect me, whos running Qantas, not so much.
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The Captain and the Crews (1st Officers) need to start remedial training immediately. I’m talking about starting back out with a Cessna 172, and working their way back.
It's a good job no one was playing golf ⛳
I have no respect whatsoever for Qantas's current CEO Allen Joyce. But I have total respect for every Qantas pilot and crew. Despite the airline's greedy CEO Qantas still has the best safety record of any airline.
Great channel
Incredible… After all the training…
The words “ I’ve got control” seem to be a trend in some incidents .
The Qantas never crashes.
I was a passenger on this flight. Really scary
your videos are incredibly amazing!!!
Thanks!!
Sorry if this has been asked before but what spec computer is being run that shows these simulations? The graphics are amazing and very smooth. Also what software is it? Thanks.
Glad you enjoy them! I use Microsoft Flight Simulator, and my PC specs are a 2080Ti GPU, i9700k CPU @ 4.8, and 32Gb RAM.
Yes it could
Digging into mud will stop a plane if nothing else will, that's true. Qantas dodged a passenger fatality bullet with this, though the aircraft presumably gave its all, the first for a Qantas jumbo jet. The blessing on Qantas' jumbo jet passengers did not fail. But the starkest lesson is not even that they came in too high and hot, but that if you're going to abort a go around, for God's sake at least tell the other pilots, who can then all concentrate on getting the aircraft to stop, just as they would in a normal landing. This plane could presumably have stopped, if perilously close to the end of the runway, with the reverse thrust going. Passengers must have been like dog our cats, this is a strangely quiet touchdown... OH! OH! OH! That roar after touchdown is a very assuring sound to me.
Thank goodness again that nobody was badly injured or killed. One shouldn't presume on luck. I'd still overall rather fly Qantas if there was a choice. Qantas doesn't do domestic US routes, of course.
TH-cam offering me flying adverts in the midst of these is not appropriate 😂
Remember one very important thing, Qantas has never ever crashed. Not even domestically.
You're saying that after literally watching a show about a QANTAS plane crashing 🤣
They've crashed, alright. They just have killed anyone in a commercial airline crash and they pay for repairs rather than write off the planes so they can keep their 'never having had a total loss of a passenger jet' reputation.
Important counterpoint to the stereotype of pilots in developing countries being poorly trained. These guys did a great job of remaining cool under what must've been a terrible shock. Same goes for the cabin crew, too.
What does the 001 one mean in terms of flight number? Do these number get recycled?
Where does he get these airplane clips? Microsoft flight?
Don't ask questions. Just go with it.
Always remember Rain Man ,Qantas
A classic example of how to not operate an aircraft that pilots learn about in flight school.
Him: this flight was in 1999.
The plane having all the updated logos and text of qantas that became official in 2016
Me: lol 👋🤣👌
With all the computer processing power available today, why isn’t more automation being made to detect and augment pilot actions in adverse weather during landing. Simple rate of speed reduction calculations could step up the application of more flaps and thrust reversers
The *H* in Thailand is silent 🙏
I thought it was mandatory to go around if either pilot calls to go around regardless of improvements in the situation??
As a pilot , once you commit you stay committed any change causes problems.
Rain Man - Quantas - repair the plane
Dope Video
at the time of writing this comment. the video is 23:55 mins long. yet you comment at 6 mins, after only it being available for 8 mins. hmm.
@@Palmit_ people do that to get first
thanks reply @@djplayzyt1234 why tho? just seems like weird attempt at influence? why do first comments matter? they all get buried eventually if you see what i mean?
@@Palmit_ yeah ik
All his/they/her/she/he videos are Dope!
Great A.I. Visuals! But some wrong choices were noted. For example, the latest Gen of Long-Range747s was used, which were not available in the 1990's. Also, an interior cabin shot showed a 2-4-2 Seating Configuration which looked like an A330 instead of a 747's 3-4-3 Seating. But except for such minor details, it was a very well well putv together video, and I'll be watching more! :)
I think we all noticed the Dreamliner engines from the - 800 but chose to ignore a minor graphics glitch as Green Dot Aviation videos are top notch.
I'm pretty sure it's a flight simulator not AI
@@novacat5037 Depends on what you interpret as a Flight Simulator. Airlines use them to train Pilots, but they only ever show a view that Pilots would see from the Flight Deck (Cockpit). But THIS Flight Simulator shows scenes from all angles, which could only be created by AI
Roughly speaking, if you scale down a 747 to a meter, the skin would be 0.4 of what an aluminum soda can is. People think of planes as solid hunks of metal, but actually, they are very fragile.
Tell me how this channel only had 65k subs
Just subscribed this guy is great
yes sir
Great video! Though the aircraft in your model is a -8. Qantas never had any. Only -400s
Over the years Qantas has had 2 747 SPs, 747-200, 747-300 & 747-400. According to Wikipedia Qantas has bought 60 747s, 57 new & 3 second hand. Five other 747s had also been leased.