Sean McDowell: Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ | Kirk Cameron on TBN | Easter Special
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- Takeaways: Happy Easter Week! Today, Kirk Cameron is joined by author, speaker, professor, and apologist Sean McDowell to discuss 3 pieces of evidence that point Jesus' resurrection actually happening.
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Sean is an inspiring soul. Keep up the good works!
I really hate the type of reasoning whereby somebody tries to convince you of a fact because "other" people who are well regarded believe the point that you are trying to convince your audience of. Let me give you some examples "99% of scientists agree on the cause of climate change", "all the best doctors agree that the vaccines are safe", "this is the most popular model that all our customers love", "the story of the resurrection is true because some of the most inspiring and intelligent people of our time believe it to be so". If you are going to present something as fact then provide evidence, if you have no evidence then say it's a matter of faith but if you only have circumstantial evidence then present the circumstantial evidence. However do not be ask your audience to believe something as fact because someone else believes it to be fact and therefore by your reasoning then must be true. Give your audience's intellect a little more credit than that. You do more harm to Christianity than good by doing this.
How is it an assumption? U can check historians who never believed JESUS. Don’t be lazy, read these historians account n u will know he birth, his walk on earth, his death and resurrection are all true.
Why is it that we think humans landed on the moon and came back to the Earth? Because we had all the knowledge to do it. Neil Armstrong was the best pilot of jets. Buzz Aldrin had a PhD from MIT in orbital Mechanics. The Scientists and Engineers had the knowledge and money to fly space ships and rockets.
Why do we think that the Stories of Star Trek are not true? Because we don't know anything about warp drive star ships, photon torpedoes', transporters, etc.. We don't have star charts of where there might be beings that are Vulcans and look like Mr Spock.
Anybody that can turn a 3 day old stinky body to new again would know about the human body and medical care for it. Did Jesus of Christianity say anything that we can use about skin, the heart, the lungs, muscles, cells, blood, etc.. Did Jesus tell us about CPR? Did Jesus tell us about how to do Science, so we can learn about the natural world and put that knowledge to good use?
All Jesus gives us is Story Magic. Humans living 2,000 years ago would not be able to create stories about health care in the natural world. Humans creating stories from their minds and imaginations could only create stories about the Gods that can do miracles. Just like Thomas Jefferson wrote, 'Laws of Nature and of Nature's God.' The human created Story Gods just are not true. Jesus of Christianity and the stories of Christianity are more like the stories of Star Trek and not like the stories of humans landing on the moon and coming back to the Earth. The Christian stories use Theme, Plot, Characters, Setting, Conflict, Point of View, Tone and Style.
@@user-tq3ud9zi7wI see this presentation as an informative way of learning whereby in such study tactics the student is not forced the teachers narrative, but rather still has his or her choice to decide what they believe. The same can be said for the LGBTQ community. It's best to calmly and rational discuss the literature, or history of the group, where it's been and where it's headed. Convincing crowds through peaceful, friendly demonstrations of were here, were qu**r, don't mean any harm, just wanted out of the closet, not here to ruffle any feathers or indoctrinate your kids, just minding our own gay business type attitude about it all, because you're absolutely right, a person should never be force fed to believe a narrative or taboo laced agenda down their throats with the threat of being chastised and labeled as some kind of phobia if they don't get on board Sodom and Gomorrah's Love Boat.
@@user-tq3ud9zi7wyour argument falls flat as tire without air as your reasoning is flawed. The idea is “this person investigated and came to faith, why don’t you investigate?” It seems you think Christianity is selling a product on TV. How about this. Free offer! Jesus suffered and died for you to have restored communion with God and eternal life is yours.
I know through all my life experiences that the Lord Jesus Christ is real, He is my Healer, Redeemer and Restorer hallelujah hallelujah Jesus Christ hallelujah 🙌🏻 worthy is the lamb hallelujah hallelujah Jesus Christ hallelujah 🙌🏻
I feel the exact same way about the true Lord, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. My life experiences prove that he, undoubtedly, is the true
Lord and Savior.
I pray that he shows you the truth, heretic! RAMEN!
"I am the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Thou shalt have no other monsters before Me (Afterwards is OK; just use protection). The only Monster who deserves capitalization is Me! Other monsters are false monsters, undeserving of capitalization."
What about the children that Jesus didn’t walk with that were tortured, sexually abused, and killed?
@samirgirgis9941 that’s just not good enough
Using your own experience to prove something’s is literally the worst way to do it
@samirgirgis9941 that sounds awful, to be forced to worship someone I don’t even like
He is Risen! As a bona-fide Born-Again Believer and actual Mr Thomas, I have never doubted it!
Why ? There have been many in history with the same claim I'm sure you haven't researched . All part of very powerful religions at the time before christianity . All of the stories were written after he died so these were people just writing a story not who were actually there. And we can't even begin to verify who even wrote them . And there is much more. But still you never had doubt ? Then your no different from anyone related to all the different religions today with the same type of claims I'm sure you don't believe . Just thought id add a little knowledge and common sense to it
Bingo! You said the magic word.....you are a "believer." You can say that you believe the most preposterous things and still, your statement is always true. However, the first short sentence came unaccompanied by the magic phrase "I believe that" (he is risen), and so stands as a meaningless unsubstantiated claim.
@@MartyHarrison-cx4gu Do some research on Christ. There is only one faith one God and one Saviour. How do you plan on dying for your sins without the perfect Jesus taking your place being the perfect sacrifice. Bible has over 2,000 fulfilled prophecy and shows scientific facts before science proved they were true. Also history shows Jesus lived, died and was seen after his resurrection. No religion can say that.
Nothing said in this video would/should/could be used as _evidence_ .
This is nothing more than comfort food for those who already believe.
Ok. Why should the evidence presented not be accepted as such?
@dane947 Can't agree any more 👍👍
@@user-ch1bh6kc9g There isn't any evidence. You cannot use what it says in the Bible to prove that what it says in the Bible is true. It's called a circular argument.
Thanks Kirk & Sean - great video as always. Kirk, thanks for speaking at the Mosaic Gayla a couple years ago. HE IS RISEN! 🙂
I enjoy all the conversations with the guests on your show. Very intelligent questions being posed with awesome answers that give insight into controversial topics.
Frank Turek has a terrific presentation about this. Thanks gentlemen for spreading the great news about Jesus.
Thank you so much for this! Really appreciate it!
I am grateful to be able to have access to this content.
Thank God for Kirk love for Jesus and for Dr Sean explain the resurrection evidence may God give them both wisdom and bless them in all areas of life
Thank you for this message it gives me hope. I want to give up! But I will continue to trust God! Having faith even in my time of deep despair. I lost my job as a social worker because I refused the vaccine. I refused due to my already failing health. Heart disease and lupus. I’m on a ton of medications already. Including blood thinners. I was denied my medical/religious exemption from Forsyth hospital. Since losing my job I’ve been struggling to provide for myself and my two children. I’m so overwhelmed because both of my boys are autistic. So they require a lot out of me. My husband passed away three years ago so I’m all alone. I’m so down and depressed. I have been called horrible names and mocked because of my circumstances. It’s crazy ppl are denying that this is happening. This month me and my boys are facing homelessness. Every month is a struggle. But I have so much faith that God will provide for me and my children FAITH OVER FEAR.
Praying for you sister in Christ. Indeed, God is our only hope in this life
May you be Blessed in the name of Christ Yeshua!!!
This is what was amazing, they set up that "religious exemption" clause and yet they ignored it completely, never actually giving a religious exemption, always turned down. The coach of the Wash St cougars football team, they denied his religious exemption and fired him, ruing his life, many police and firemen were cut, same thing for simply not wanting to take an unproven vaccine. Can you get into some nurse training program? I would think you would qualify for free tuition. During the pandemic there was a sign I saw on the side of the road which said the same thing you said about faith instead of fear, yet we let fear rule us for those years.
I’m reading the new evidence that demands a verdict right now. And I am watching this so I get these answers down very solid.
Very insightful! Never thot that b4! God bless y'all
Well done!
Madness!
Go forth with all you are , seeking salvation from Jesus. After you have been Saved this will no longer be a question to you , you will know He has risen 🙌
I needed to hear this info. Also, if you read between the lines it is written that Jesus had brother in his family
Thank you so much for this !
Luv ya Kirk Cameron may God keep blessing you and your family !! 🙏🏼✝️🙌🏼
God always does the unexpected. Just like when He sent Jesus as Savior, He wasn't a violent Savior but One full of love. The women discovering the empty tombs. God has the reasons He does what He does. If we think it is hard to be a follower now of Jesus Christ, it was so difficult to be in the Roman Empire and be a follower of the Lord. He is strategic and things happen for a reason. That is why after 2,000 years we still talk about Jesus and his ministry, death, and resurrection. There is still proof to back everything up 2,000 years later. I have never seen any other proof last so long. Praise God! Thank you Jesus for your saving power!
but the prophets prophecied a violent savior who would eventually do away with all weapons and make them farming equipment, he would give the whole world the knowledge of god & had to be from the line of david on his FATHERS side. Jesus didnt do any of this
Amen!!
Kirk!!!!!!👍👍👍👍
thanks kirk
Great video
I love the argument about Jerusalem. Not sure if I ever heard that one presented as Sean did it this time. I’ve read his dad and his books Evidence for the Resurrection and not sure, as I said, ever heard it this way. As Christians we need to hone our apologetics from time to time so we can not only give our testimony but we can point to others who have published work evidencing the Truth. Shalom
His tomb is empty!! Haleluiah!!!
Halleluiah!!
so that automatically means hes risen right lmfao
Love this.. Christ is Lord ❤..also interesting how the non believers always want to trot out the same old comments, as though this will make any difference to those of us saved by Grace in Jesus name. Praying for all x
💕❤ this channel
"Christ IN you. The hope of glory". The NEW BIRTH by the Holy Spirit.
Good video!
This channel should have 400+ trillion and infinitely likes! 😇🙏❤
Great show today hallelujah hallelujah Jesus Christ hallelujah 🙌🏻 worthy is the lamb hallelujah hallelujah Jesus Christ hallelujah 🙌🏻
The anonymous writers of the Gospels were writing from HEARSAY about a tale that the first author heard. They are not individual eyewitness accounts.
Lies. But atheists don't care about lying since there's no God to judge them for lying.
This is all logically fallacious. This is called circular reasoning. Using the text of the new testament to prove the truth of the new testament is ridiculous.
thank you smh
Kirk, Please do a talk with Gary DeMar. Thank you Brother
Jesus is the only hope we have.
Maybe for you. I am the only one I have for me. I don't believe ghosts, goblins, black magic, praying, or any other hocus pocus. I am 81 years old and everything I accomplished I did on my own.
He is risen.
We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are. For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, in His grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when He freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed His life, shedding His blood.
This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when He held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for He was looking ahead and including them in what He would do in this present time.
God did this to demonstrate His righteousness, for He Himself is fair and just, and He makes sinners right in His sight when they believe in Jesus.
There is only one God, and He makes people right with Himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.”
Romans 3:22-26, 30 …
BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD, YOU CAN HAVE …
A LIVING SAVIOR - “If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Romans 10:9
A DIVINE MEDIATOR - “Christ that died … is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” Romans 8:34
AN UNDYING PROMISE - “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.” John 11:25
Amen in The Name of Lord Jesus Christ forever. Amen! 🙏♥️🙏😊♥️🙏🙏🙏
You seem unable to discern the difference between claims and statements of truth. What you have written are unsubstantiated claims which require evidence for corroboration. They are exactly like a witness at a trial who says, "Jehrica is guilty; this is true because I believe it." Not the testimony you want, is it?
@Sam-in9dy Sorry, evidence is evidence, and being open or closed minded is not a factor. There is no evidence at all for the existence of any god, and none whatsoever for any of the biblical claims of supernatural occurrences.
@Sam-in9dy I would be satisfied if there were a single shred of evidence that in all history a virgin woman ever gave birth or that a global flood happened or that a dead person ever came back to life.
Just as convincing as experience in your sleeping dreams.same situation in your waking times going on
Convincing.reality itself is very convincing too,yet reality has no reality to it.the kingdom of God is within you said jesus.so is all of reality,in all ways
Blessed are those who believe without seeing. (John 20:29) That also means without having proof.
The second statement you made is entirely speculative and added on, that is an assumption on your behalf. Paul gave people arguments and individuals to talk to, evidence. That IS known
As Jesus said to the woman at the well, “Go. Thy FAITH has made thee whole.” The substance of the unseen, Belief.
:Sadly some doubters and disbelievers don’t realize the Peace of God, which passes ALL understanding. Their eyes and ears are closed, as are their hearts. They merely live to argue. Pity them.
@@e.conboy4286 Faith is established by the encounter which convinced the woman in that case, Jesus told her her life story. Not a very good passage to point to for a evidence absence
My man has some fresh J's on. Good stuff.
Excellent interview! These just keep getting better and better! Great job Kirk!
Father God, my prayer is for those who struggle to believe in the risen Jesus. Please nurture their minds and hearts to see the truth in order that they may be saved and our Lord may be glorified! In Jesus name I pray, Amen.
Prayer has been shown not to work - search for "The Great Prayer Experiment" by the Templeton Foundation. Also, here in England, thousands of believers pray every Sunday for the health of the Royal Family, yet they're no healthier than the rest of us. (Two of them currently have cancer.) So you're wasting your time.
You are the infinite incarnating in to the dreamstate always
Thank you for this episode brother.
It is amazing how God made sure that resurrection of Our Lord is verifiable. Glory be to God for He is good and He loves us.
Keep up your good work for Our Lord Jesus.
Romans 5:8
God is sooooooo good and kind and loving :)
Have a great day and God bless you.
Thank you for your kind and encouraging words!
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No, It is not, how are you verifying information with the religions own holy book. 😂
That’s like saying prophet muahammed existed and was a prophet because the Quran said so, and because the Quran says he also had the ability to do miracles he was also a prophet, open you minds
He uses the bible to prove itself. Brilliant.
It might help if you watch the video before commenting. He gave multiple sources OUTSIDE the Bible.
@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962- Nope. Josephus made passing mention of Jesus but did not talk about him rising from the dead. The other "extra biblical" thing he mentions from Tacitus was a retelling of the origins of a new religion. It was a report made more than a century later and the sources of its information are not known. Moreover, he mentions the execution but not any resurrection. As history goes, this kind of stuff is dismissible. You still have nothing to present other than gospels.
@@jerometaperman7102 Did I or this video claim Josephus mentioned the resurrection? Nope. Josephus did mention that he was crucified and was called the Christ (Messiah), significant non-Biblical evidence for his existence (life), his crucifixion (death), and what people thought of him. If people called him the Messiah, it stands to reason they believed he was resurrected.
@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962- The video purports to offer evidence of the resurrection from sources other than bible, then goes on to cite Josephus and Tacitus, neither of whom say anything about a resurrection. Even if one or both of them reported what people were saying at the time about a miracle, it would be nothing more than hearsay. True, people then and now believed and believe in the resurrection. Their belief in something does not come close to rising to the level of evidence. Believe it if you wish but to expect others to believe it without evidence is presumptive at best.
That's how it's supposed to be. Always go back to the Bible 😊
Matthew 12:26
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
I am continually amazed by what absurd mental gymnastics people will employ to hang on to ancient fairy tales.
In this age of science it is so difficult to fathom that so many people still cling to these insane stories. I could understand it in the 1600s, but today it is insane.
And they shant be persuaded, scary
Because as a scientist myself, I know that 1) except for math, no science is exact, 2) science didn’t create the world; it only tries to understand it, 3) science doesn’t teach you to love your enemy and be an ethical person, 4) I will very likely find out the Truth before science does, and 5) in the meantime, i.e. while still on earth, I’d rather put my faith in the creator of science rather than in a group of individuals trying to make sense of the world through conflicting theories.
Sadly, they've all been brainwashed from an early age. Criminal really.
I had read this before in C.S. Lewis, not only about the women, but the fact that the apostles all were depressed and left thinking it was all over and what do we do now? Possibly afraid that they would be next but nobody cared about the women so they wondered on over and discovered the empty tomb. Also did not know really how many eye witnesses there were of his appearances after he died on the cross. In my mind I thought it was one or two with a handfull of people but no it was many times in front of hundreds of people. Yet even today they try to explain it as some mass hallucination. Sure, everybody saw the same thing so they must all be hallucinating. Right
Those who claim JESUS did not exist tell you more about them than anything useful about JESUS, for some there will NEVER be enough evidence to overthrow the god they worship in the mirror
Good Morning
If anyone would like to know some Historicity of the New Testament and Jesus, please reply yes and I will detail some unbiased scholarship that 99% of believers don't know. It actually very fascinating. Thank You
Romans 10:9 acts 2:21 Amen 🏴🌹🙏
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The Oxford Dictionary defines Evidence as "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid" and Oxford defines Belief as "an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists". How is anything presented in this video actually evidence? I would suggest perhaps conjecture (Oxford: "an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information") or more honestly "it is assumed" or "hoped for" to be true. But actual Evidence is a stretch at best.
Do you realize that your statement are _unsubstantiated_ claims? Yes or no.
@@Theo_Skeptomai
Do you realize that your statement is syntactically incorrect?
Study the Shroud of Turin! Maranatha!
Hoaxes according to science, which I bet you have no use for.
Here is the difficulty we face as Christians -
this video, as often happens, is using the Bible to try and prove the resurrection of Christ.
But many of those we are trying to prove it to do not accept the Bible as a reliable source of information. So they immediately reject any proofs you present based on the Bible because they do not believe the Bible is true about anything.
So how do we provide "proof" to those who don't accept what the Bible says?
Here are a few ideas -
- since many don't even believe that Jesus even existed we can use references from outside the Bible that confirm the existence of Jesus - such as the writings of Josephus who was not a Christian.
- we can use the examples of the Apostles who were martyred for their trust in Christ
- as Ray Comfort likes to do, we can use the law to show people they are sinners in need of a Savior and let God's Spirit work on their hearts to convince they of the truth
- we can show them compassion in their time of need and God may use that to reach them
- we can try to live a life of example that they notice and God uses that to help reach them
- we can pray for them
I must say, I'm impressed that you've really taken an introspection here.
As for extrabiblical sources on the ressurrection, it's unfortunate that there isn't any. While there are some Roman sources indicating Jesus of Nazareth was perhaps a real person, no sources outside of the NT (which had been written 30 to 40 years after his death) claim Jesus of Nazareth rose from his grave.
Considering belief in the Son of God Rising from the Dead is perhaps the most important doctrine in Christianity, it's ironic that not even Roman records talk about a Jewish peasant that was executed and came back to life, walking about Jerusalem for 40 days along with others who allegedy rose from their tombs and were seen by many.
This is why skeptics have a hard time accepting the claim that he is Risen.
Nope, it's ALL just hearsay.
Here are why as an atheist its not convincing to me:
With Josephus its very ambiguous to which Christ he is referring to and to go from a few (possibly added later) sentences mentioning a local small cult following to a believing in a ressurection would take a leap of faith.
Matyrdom doesnt equal evidence if that is the case than the 9/11 terrorists or Japanese kamikaze pilots would be correct about their belief of America.
I am sorry Ray Comfort has a lot of sin in his life, but I dont believe sin is an actual concept as I dont believe in a god to sin against.
You can pray if you need to it is your time.
I agree we should all live with compassion and live our best life. We only get one after all.
@@LDrosophila Atheism is not about trying to convince anyone about anything, it's imply a lack of belief in god\gods. Also, atheism does not claim there are no gods, it is based on what is considered a lack of convincing evidence that there are gods while at the same time acknowleging there might be gods after all.
Josephus, like all the other numerous writers about jesus, was not a contemporary to jesus and like all the others only writes about jesus from the position of hearsay. In fact, there are no contemporaneous accounts of jesus in the bible or anywhere else, nothing from jesus himself, everything '' jesus said '' comes from people who never knew him, no artifacts, drawings, paintings, etc. -- seems to me jesus as man\god '' savior '' , considered the most important, influential person in history, should be supported by a lot better '' evidence '' than that.
Unfortunately there is only very little evidence that you could actually show to a skeptic.
-Proving the existence of Jesus doesn’t help you… because the vast majority of non-Christians already accept that Jesus existed.
-The Martyrdom also doesn’t help… because according to Sean himself there is only good evidence that 4 of the apostles actually died as martyrs… the accounts for the remaining apostles mostly consist of contradicting legends.
-Telling them that they are sinners is worthless because they don’t believe in the concept of sin.
So what is left is being a good example and helping them in time of need.
That’s all you can do.
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Jesus lives!
Point three. You definitely would say to your teacher that your dog ate the homework when you have it in your backpack. Not a powerful case. Doesn’t support a redirection.
Resurrection *
Nobody would say that
@@robshighlights6431 You are lying if, your claim is that people don’t lie… Is that what your claiming?
@mariataneo3640 The most clear explanation I have heard is that they didn’t lie, but rather truly believed in something that wasn’t true. meaning there were mistaken. Another note on your point is that we can’t say for sure if they did die in the manor you described. you and I don’t know any of the people in the Bible from Adam.
@mariataneo3640 Totally fair. Unfortunately, you have made the mistake of assuming I haven’t.
You haven’t assumed You would have been better to ask.
LOVE LOVE LOVE this! May God continue to bless your efforts for His Kingdom! Thank you for sharing this information.
My Jesus is alive! He walks with me and has seen me through it all! My hope is in Christ alone! Thank you Bros. Kirk and Sean. You are a blessing to the Christian community. I am loving and seeking apologetics more and more. Christians need to stand for truth and stand firm in our faith because Jesus is real! The more we learn and understand, the more we can share this! Keep up the great work Bros. 🙏❤
The proof of the resurrection of Yahshua is all around us, the seasons show a death, burial and resurrection.
They call this evidence???
Indeed.
Yup, or you could time travel 2000 years ago or find video clips of the events that happened to get your evidence
Jesus say if you believe in god
Bless are those who dont see but believe..amen..
I’ve begun to doubt the claim that women were looked down upon in their time. Proverbs echos again and again that wisdom is what you want in life. Wisdom and good sense is what matters most. Wisdom is also personified as a woman. Why would you portray something you esteem at the highest level as a class of people you esteem lowly? It doesn’t make sense.
had me in tears in the first few seconds of Sean talking
As a Christian I don't need any proof that my saviour rose from the dead. That's what faith is all about.
Please don’t talk like that. Not only is that not accurate, but it gives Christian’s the bad rep everyone loves to give us… just stop
@@timothyvenable3336 On the contrary, Christians and other religious people hold on to their beliefs DESPITE the lack of any evidence and contrary to common sense or logic. That's what faith is all about and why it's so hard to have a logical discussion with them. It's like showing somebody a blue stone and saying "this stone is blue", only for them to reply: "Yes, I can see that, but I truly believe it's really red." You then question them as to why they think it's red and the only answer is "that's what I believe". End of rational discussion.
I am a believer, but he never answered the question: What evidence do we have today. The Shroud of Turin is the greatest evidence we have today because, at the very least, the way the image was created cannot be duplicated today. In 2017 when the British Museum was finally compelled to release the raw data from the carbon dating, many scientists have proven the carbon dating was seriously flawed. Most recently 9 scientists from Los Alamos National Laboratory have proven the Shroud is 2000 years old.
What if Jesus had been cremated? Would there have been a resurrection?
@@Sebastian_SnufflepussYES!!!! They could have cremated Him scattered his ashes in the Jordan river and He still would have come back in 3 days. He's only The Son of The One True Living God. But cremation is not the way the prophets interpreted what Our Father in Heaven told them told them to say. No matter the way it happened you wouldn't believe anyway.
I have been to Turin and seen the Shroud (actually a replica) and it's very impressive. However, carbon dating puts its age at about 1000 years old, not 2000 years. Whilst there is some controversy over this, for example, some say it might have been contaminated, there is no evidence that says it is really about 2000 years old. So is it the greatest evidence as you claim? No - absolutely not. Had, the carbon dating shown it was about 2000 years old, then as an atheist, I would have been totally shocked, since that would have been the first actual evidence, albeit circumstantial, that there might be some truth in what Christians say. So, we atheists are still waiting for some evidence that might possibly convince us that what Christians believe in is anything more than fairytales. Should such convincing evidence eventually materialise, then fine, I will no longer be an atheist, but I'm not expecting that to happen anytime soon. (It would take more than a 2000 year old shroud to convince me.)
@@Chris-hf2sl You are WRONG! The carbon dating has been proven, by scientists, to be flawed. In 2017 when the British Museum was finally COMPELLED to release the raw data, it immediately became apparent that something fishy had been going on and several experiments have disproved the nearly 40 year old results. More recently, in 2023 9 scientists from the Los Alamos National Laboratory have testing results that prove it is 2000 years old. If you don't want to believe, then stop saying there is no proof. Just say you are too lazy to do the research and that you don't want to believe the truth.
@@Chris-hf2sl You are WRONG....and apparently lazy. Since 2017, when the The British Museum was compelled to release the raw data, there have been tons of scientific reports dating the Shroud to 2000 years old. Most recently in 2023, 9 scientists from Los Alamos National Laboratory have performed tests that date it to 2000 year old. Just admit you don't want the truth and want to live your hedonistic lifestyle.
If the story is invented, then particular details, like an empty tomb , can also be invented. Consequently there would be no Joseph of Arimathea to interrogate and no empty tomb to examine. Sean's arguments contain assumptions that should be made explicit. Furthermore his arguments depend almost wholly upon the reliability of the New Testament texts. Nothing here to convince a skeptic.
Nothing here to convince anyone with a modicum of critical thinking skills.
@@jerrylanglois7892 Absolutely agree. Just the internal conflicts among the various NT accounts provides ample reason to doubt any of this hocus-pocus. No thinking adult (anyone who knows how to evaluate arguments and evidence) should believe any of the Christian message.
@@hellonewman5855 Yes, I would think because so many historians consider jesus christ the '' savior, the son of god '' , the most important, influential person ever, should be awash is sound evidence, the exact opposite is true.
@@jerrylanglois7892 And when Sean talks about non-Christian "witnesses", he speaks of Josephus in the 90s, but no one in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Jesus comes to prominence only when the church comes to social and political power. Jesus is the most overrated person in history.
How do you feel about slavery? The same as the bible??? Just a quick question: if you knew God was evil would you still follow him?
Slavery. You will never be more free with Jesus. Hes not a burden hes a savior and a king and a lord a healer
There may not be a historical record outside of the Gospels of the Resurrection. But there's something even better than that that has intrigued non-believing scientists today. These are people who don't care whether Jesus rose from the dead or died like everyone else. That something is a 3D image made on a piece of cloth that wrapped the body of a man who sustained wounds similar to the crucified Christ in the Gospels. That image is the most puzzling piece of photography of the modern era. It was made from an intense burst of light that no one has been able to reproduce to this day. Radiologists and nuclear scientists around the world have tried but have failed repeatedly.
Yes and carbon dating has shown it's only 1000 years old, not 2000 years, so whilst the origin of the Turin Shroud remains a mystery, it definitely isn't Jesus's burial shroud.
Almost all theologians will agree that the historian, Josephus, did NOT write that Jesus was the messiah and was resurrected. That passage was added to his writing centuries later by Christian monks. The fact that you feel you need to include a falsity to support your argument really discredits your case.
The point was that Josephus talked about Jesus, in terms of his existence, not necessarily about Jesus being the Messiah. We all understand there are different debates surrounding the Testimonium Flavianim, but you have to understand the argument that is being made in the video, versus this “discredits his case” ridiculous comment you are making like you know more.
Is there a 2nd part for this video? I didn't hear any evidence in this one just this guys assumptions.
He appeared to people but was it important his body was alive? Is gender, family, biology, freewill, and life important to be worshipped in God?
Am I the only one who noticed the switch from evidence of resurrection to evidence of existence?
I was hoping, let down again.
My evidence is they Jesus & God holy spirit answered my cry my prayer!
Well, you've not said what you prayed for, but it's only evidence that you got what you needed through prayer if you can somehow demonstrate that you wouldn't have got it without praying. Otherwise it's just random luck. Think about it - lots of people pray for things and don't get what they pray for, so how's this prayer thing supposed to work?
@Chris-hf2sl they must be real they ain't fooling Noone but themselves! Jesus is was the Real deal up on that Cross and only they can prove to a person that they be!
The body of Yahshua was consumed by fire of Yahweh since Yahweh is a consuming fire, this is fulfillment of scriptures, because the sacrifice was to be burnt with fire, Yahshua is the resurrection and he was raised a quickening spirit.
It is way more probable that the Romans emptied the tomb. They alone had the ability along with tons of motivation to do it. They wanted Jesus’ extremely pro-Roman message to continue, plus they wanted to exact revenge on the religious leaders for forcing Pilate to murder an innocent man.
"Jesus's pro-Roman message"?🤣🤣That's the most absurd thing I've heard all week.
Why does Cameron NEVER have guests with an opposing point of view?
Is he so afraid that he might learn something which will shatter his Christian bubble?
Wow, illiterate goat farmers said something 2000 years ago. Must be true. Josephus, 100+ years later mentioned it, along with his other fairy tales. Must be true. Absolutely.
Nobody cares about your trolling littlechip......come and call upon the Lord while He is still near, whilst you still can. Those who have heard will be without excuse.
Wait, why are all my congregants leaving my church?! 😨
You all are without excuse on the day of judgement
@@brianmendenhall8387 Are you a modern day goat farmer? Why do you believe this crap? Seriously.
My lack of belief because of the lack of credible evidence in this story shouldn't theraten you. In fact, I strongly feel that believing in this fairy tale actually helps the USA at large, even though it's basically just another made up story, now.
So tell me, please, oh learned one. What were the nature of other "books" by Josephus? Any other, completely disregarded now tales? Did he write about any other "supernatural events," outside of his religious fairy-tales?
@@brianmendenhall8387 Its not like we have a choice in what we believe. Gods gonna send me to hell for giving my logical reasoning that I had no choice in.
I encourage everyone to dig deep and study the Resurrection. After having studied the topic (to a small degree compared to so many others), I have come to the conclusion that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is the only rational answer for what occurred. If we didn't have the Bible and didn't have faith - but were simply presented with the arguments for and against the Resurrection at their face value, the Resurrection is the only thing that is truly common sense. Every argument the atheists propose lacks simple common sense and crumbles when brought under scrutiny. Yet, the Resurrection has undergone vigorous scrutiny and still remains unscathed in its assessment.
Do you have any evidence at all as to why anyone should think it's real? There was none in this video. I'm an atheist, so feel free to crumble our position for bonus points which is: I don't know.
@@CalebScott1991 I think the bigger question is why you are an atheist. Is it that you simply don't want to acknowledge the supernatural/miracles? Is it because you sought for an answer and didn't get result you wanted? Is your motivation for commenting on here to seek out the truth, or just to argue?
@@richardcarrier9536 No, I just wanted to point out that you were wrong. And seeing you dodge the position that you said would "crumble" is confirmation of just that. So thanks for your time :)
@@CalebScott1991 I figured you were just here to argue - which is why I didn't engage your question. Nevertheless, there are three facts that confirm the Resurrection. 1. The Empty Tomb. 2. The overnight change in the Disciples turning from being cowards to being willing to accept torture and death to not deny witnessing the Resurrection. 3. The immediate spread of Christianity and growth of the early church beginning in Jerusalem, where it should've been easiest to put down the movement altogether.
Each of these arguments by themselves are strong on their own merit, but when all three facts are combined together, there isn't any argument that would satisfy all three simultaneously. So, I stand on what I've said.
@@richardcarrier9536 Unfortunately, these 3 facts can be used to prove other religions also, so It's baseless. Not to mention they aren't facts, they are more claims, that require more evidence. You shouldn't try to prove claims with claims, it doesn't assist anyone trying to determine if a position is true. How do you know the tomb was empty? from a claim? How do you know there was even a tomb? How does the spread of a religion prove the religion is true? If other religions spread, does that make their religion the correct one? In Jonestown, hundreds of people committed suicide, does that make them right? These are all fallacies, and comically enough, fallacies commonly used by cults.
What’s more likely: A man rose from the dead or the disciples disposed of the body to keep up the charade?
What's more likely, they all told the truth or they went to their executions refusing to admit they lied?
@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962 how are you going to admit to a lie that you framed your entire life around. That you vowed to keep knowing that people needed what you were hiding.
@@drewstand5055 Huh? 😂 If you're faced with a brutal execution, and all you have to do is tell the truth that you lied to avoid a brutal death, the vast majority of people would tell the truth and admit the lie. However almost all the apostles refused to do so and were executed. (Not all were executed, but NONE ever recanted their original testimony.
It's called evidence, not proof, evidence. And claiming it's not evidence is either willful denial or ignorance.
@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962 give me one tiny shred of evidence or proof that all of this isn’t some made up fairy tale. Don’t worry I know you can’t. History is like the game of telephone, the sooner you figure that out the smarter you become.
@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962who said they had a chance to recant and say they lied? who says they didnt and they still killed them? you werent there lmfao
1st Corinthians is undisputed to be written by Paul and is one of the first books written. It's early, authentic and in chapter 13 Paul gives an eyewitness testimony of seeing the risen savior and that he was seen by 500 others including the disciples
500 of which not one does he name. And to be clear, Paul never seen Jesus, rather, he heard his voice on the Road to Damascus.
Nope, paul was not an eyewitness, the '' 500 '' or anyone else.
Paul never met Jesus… he had a vision.
And everything else he says is just hearsay… literally just stories he heard.
Ever since I left the Christian faith, it all sounds so childish now.
Because the devil is covering your ears, come back brother your faith is being tested.
It’s not that you left the Christian faith, you were never part of it in the first place.
So sad that you lost your faith. My prayers are with you that the Holy Spirit restores your faith.
2000+ year's ago if you died because you'd been scourged & then crucified, that was it, game over. I don't believe he was resurrected, all the "Miracles" were just fairy dust to sprinkle on the Gospels. Here we are in 2024 & there's been nothing to suggest that a God resurrected a dead man. We're still in the dark whether a God truly exists.
Tell me, did you know, that for example Matthew did look what Mark wrote and then also wrote it? And this shall be an Evidence for the empty tomb and the resurection of Jesus? 😀And today it´s no secret anymore, that some things at Josephus about Jesus were added by Christians!
Oh snap. Just realized it’s Mike Seaver.
Why was Jesus arrested with a naked young man in mark 14:51-52
Plenty of evidence for the resurrection, much of which isn't even covered in this video. In addition, there's the Shroud of Turin, which is compelling to say the least.
Couple this with evidences of miracles, it’s awesome: Barbara Snyder (Barbara Cummiskey Snyder) - healed from multiple sclerosis
Published by 1c15 on 14th March 2020
It comes down to want to, if you want to believe he’s real he is , if you don’t want to he ain’t. Same with any one of the gods. It’s a choice nothing more.
You are that called God.go within
In other words, in their desperation to prove that the resurrection actually took place, they find no evidence (in the true sense of the word) whatsoever.
It may be a good idea to look up the definition of true evidence before making bold proclamations.
Federal Jury Instructions:
EVIDENCE - DIRECT AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL Evidence may be direct or circumstantial. Direct evidence is direct proof of a fact, such as testimony by a witness about what that witness personally saw or heard or did. Circumstantial evidence is proof of one or more facts from which you could find another fact. You should consider both kinds of evidence. The law makes no distinction between the weight to be given to either direct or circumstantial evidence. It is for you to decide how much weight to give to any evidence.
Josephus mentions Jesus just twice in book 18, in just a few sentences. Historical scholars have argued that these couple of sentences were added hundreds of years AFTER the Äntiquities of the Jews" was written. I really saw ZERO evidence here of the ressurection. Did Jesus exist?, probably there was a wandering Rabbi that some of the stories were based upon, but many claimed they were a deity. As for Jesus being the actual son of a god?, nope, again there's zero evidence for such a claim.
There's far too much evidence at present for you to say "zero evidence". You make yourself look like a fool by doing so.
Do your homework. Holy cow! The apologetics folks have done a crap-ton of the homework for you. Check their evidence, then check their sources. You'll see that even if you stubbornly dismiss all the evidence (cuz believing you're right may be more important to you than knowing the truth. IDK), even your own reasoning mind can work out that saying it's untrue is foolish, illogical, irrational, and pointless, unless you have trouble admitting when you're wrong or desperately love your depravity and looking for an excuse to reject the fact that you are accountable for you sins.
Let's compare the ways the Resurrected Jesus is said to have been experienced according to the documents arranged in chronological order. As you're reading, ask yourself is this data more expected under the hypothesis of reliable eyewitness testimony vs the hypothesis of an evolving legend. The scholarly consensus dates the documents as follows:
- Paul c. 50 CE - is the only firsthand report. He says the Risen Jesus "appeared" ὤφθη (1 Cor 15:5-8) and was experienced through "visions" and "revelations" - 2 Cor 12:1. The appearance to Paul was a vision/revelation *from heaven* - Gal. 1:12-16, Acts 26:19 (not a physical encounter with a revived corpse) and he makes no distinction between what he "saw" and what the others "saw" in 1 Cor 15:5-8 nor does he mention an intervening ascension between the appearances. This shows that early Christians accepted claims of "visions" (experiences that don't necessarily have anything to do with reality) as "Resurrection appearances." Paul nowhere gives any evidence of the Risen Christ being experienced in a more "physical" way which means you have to necessarily read in the *assumption* that the appearances were physical, from a later source that Paul nowhere corroborates. What Paul says in Phillipians 2:8-9, Rom. 8:34, and the sequential tradition preserved in Eph. 1:20 is consistent with the belief that Jesus went straight to heaven after the resurrection leaving no room for any physical earthly appearances. If this was the earliest belief then it follows that *all* of the "appearances" were believed to have been of the Exalted Christ in heaven and not physical earthly interactions with a revived corpse. He had a chance to mention the empty tomb in 1 Cor 15 when it would have greatly helped his argument but doesn't. Paul's order of appearances: Peter, the twelve, the 500, James, all the apostles, Paul. No location is mentioned.
- Mark c. 70 CE - introduces the empty tomb but has no appearance report. Predicts Jesus will be "seen" in Galilee. The original ends at 16:8 where the women leave and tell no one. Mark's order of appearances: Not applicable.
- Matthew c. 80 CE - has the women tell the disciples, contradicting Mark's ending, has some women grab Jesus' feet, then has an appearance in Galilee which "some doubt" - Mt. 28:17. Matthew also adds a descending angel, great earthquake, and a zombie apocalypse to spice things up. If these things actually happened then it's hard to believe the other gospel authors left them out, let alone any other contemporary source from the time period. Matthew's order of appearances: Two women, eleven disciples. The appearance to the women takes place near the tomb in Jerusalem while the appearance to the disciples happens on a mountain in Galilee.
- Luke 85-95 CE - has the women immediately tell the disciples, contradicting Mark. Jesus appears in Jerusalem, not Galilee, contradicting Matthew's depiction and Mark's prediction. He appears to two people on the Emmaus Road who don't recognize him at first. Jesus then vanishes and suddenly appears to the disciples. This time Jesus is "not a spirit" but a "flesh and bone" body that gets inspected, eats fish, then floats to heaven while all the disciples watch - conspicuously missing from all the earlier reports. Luke omits any appearance to the women. Acts 1:3 adds the otherwise unattested claim that Jesus appeared over a period of 40 days and says Jesus provided "many convincing proofs he was alive" which shows the stories were apologetically motivated. Luke's order of appearances: Two on the Emmaus Road, Peter, rest of the eleven disciples. All appearances happen in Jerusalem.
- John 90-110 CE - Jesus can now teleport through locked doors and we get the Doubting Thomas story where Jesus invites Thomas to poke him. This story has the apologetic purpose that if you just "believe without seeing" then you will be blessed. Jesus is also basically God in this gospel which represents another astonishing development. John's order of appearances: Mary Magdalene, eleven disciples, the disciples again plus Thomas, then to seven disciples. In John 20 the appearances happen in Jerusalem and in John 21 they happen near the Sea of Galilee on a fishing trip.
As you can see, these reports are inconsistent with one another and represent growth that's better explained as legendary accretion rather than actual history. If these were actual historical reports that were based on eyewitness testimony then we would expect more consistency than we actually get. None of the resurrection reports in the gospels even match Paul's appearance chronology in 1 Cor 15:5-8 and the later sources have amazing stories that are drastically different from and nowhere even mentioned in the earliest reports. The story evolves from Paul's spiritual/mystical Christ all the way up to literally touching a resurrected corpse that flies to heaven! Moreover, in Luke and John the stories have obvious apologetic motivations. So upon critically examining the evidence we can see the clear linear development that Christianity started with spiritual visionary experiences and evolved to the ever-changing physical encounters in the gospels (which are not firsthand reports).
If apologists want to claim this data is consistent with reliable eyewitness testimony then they need to provide other examples about the same event from history that grow in fantastic detail like the gospels do, yet are still regarded to be reliable historical documents. I maintain that this cannot be done. If attempted, they will immediately realize any other historical documents that grow like the gospels do will be legends.
Paul never had any '' firsthand account '' with jesus, never knew him in the flesh and only writes about him in the '' spiritual sense ''... the gospels are only after the fact, hearsay accounts, so where is the TRUE evidence ?
@@jerrylanglois7892 1 Cor 9:1, Gal. 1:16 and 1 Cor 15:8 are all written in first person by Paul, claiming Jesus he "saw" Jesus, that Jesus "appeared" or was "revealed" to him. The gospels, in contrast, are all written in third person by anonymous authors. If you actually read my post, I'm not arguing for the Resurrection. I'm using Paul's firsthand testimony to argue _against_ it given that Paul's experience was most likely spiritual in nature and he seems to equate this experience with that of the others in 1 Cor 15.
@@resurrectionnerd Paul never knew jesus in the flesh and only writes about jesus in the spiritual sense... none are contemporary, just hearsay like everything else. Not good enough for me. '' Believe nothing without equal evidence '' -- Buddhist proverb.
@@jerrylanglois7892 Again, "Jesus appeared to me" is a firsthand claim by Paul himself. That's, by definition, not hearsay. I agree with you about the "spiritual sense" part which was the entire point of my argument. Try reading before knee jerk responding please.
@@resurrectionnerd How gullible are you ! Someone claims jesus appeared to them and you just take it literally ? That claim is a huge one, a supernatural, extraordinary one that certainly requires more evidence than an empty claim. Try getting some critical thinking skills before knee jerk responding, please.
The term Christian is only in scriptures 3 times because it was a derogatory term used in those days to disrespect those that believed in Yahshua the messiah, research exposes the adversary from his deception.
There is ONLY ONE important reason and that is to RETURN BACK TO HEAVEN
It is through faith that we believe. Do you really need physical evidence? His Holy Spirit is the proof.
He dwells within the heart and mind of the believer, upon becoming Born Again.
His Spirit then shows us that the Word of God proclaimed it. I don't need to see a shroud or the tomb to believe. His Spirit reveals it to me in The Word.
John 20:29 Jesus said unto him, “Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed.”
+ER asks _"It is through faith that we believe. Do you really need physical evidence?"_
Yes, yes you do. That's how we tell the difference between real things and imaginary things.
Jesus did rise, but he never spoke to anyone, after his death. You may have been able to get a glimpse of Jesus before he rose to his kingdom.
Please read the new testament, he spoke to many people after he rose.
@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962 no...writers wrote stories of him.
The Book of Acts and historical records tell us that 500 witnesses who witnessed Jesus' death also saw him resurrected. If you don't believe historical records - you don't believe anything! Historical records contain direct and indirect evidence - which is used in court. See this th-cam.com/users/shortsH0B-kaLyCPE
Any physical evidence?
Shroud of Turin
It was radio carbon dated by three different labs. Each dated the fabric to circa the 14th century.@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962
@@robertlight5227 Absolutely false information. The 3 labs that tested it all came up with differing dates, and the dates were averaged to place it in the 14th century. One of the men who oversaw the testing later verified that the piece of cloth was tested by the labs was a patch, not a piece of the original cloth. If you research thoroughly with an open mind, you will discover the truth.
You are aware the Catholic church, owner of the fabric, does not claim it is JC's burial cloth. AND, that the Catholic official who accepted the fabric as a replica and had a local artist tried and convicted for fraudulently claim the fabric was original.
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So, what is your physical evidence for your allegedly physical JC?@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962
Matthew and John knew Jesus. They didn't "hear" about it.