@@mauricioochoa4179 he had ptsd from the abuse as a kid and didnt realize how thuggish Jimmy was in the end Jimmy wanted someone to blame and Dave just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time
It really broke my heart how Dave lived a miserable life and then at one point when he killed a pedophile for saving a child who was almost in same situation as he was a kid.. What did he get for that?? Killed by his childhood friend for no reason!!
Bro I really hated Jimmy's wife after this scene. I can't believe she tried to justify him killing Dave even when he knew he was innocent because "he would do anything for Katie"
It's disgusting to justice. To be fair, though... It was the best thing she could do for Jimmy. He was about to self-implode. If she hadn't done that, Jimmy would have shot himself or turned himself in.
I hated Jimmy. Everything bad that happened to him and the rest of them is his own doing, starting when they were kids. Everything. He is the one that started the writing on the side walk, he was the one that was robbing everything that put him in jail, he is the one that killed Harris that left his wife alone to raise her kids, and that in turn caused one of them to kill Katie. Everything is all Jimmy's fault and he never takes responsibility for it.
@@spirittammyk doesn't he say at one point that he was also at fault too somehow for Katie's death and that he just didn't know how he played a hand in it
That's why torture and fear tactics dont work. People will say anything you want to hear to stop the pain. Poor dave admitted to something he didn't do just because he was promised he could go back and see his family.
@@neurodivtries4101 Yep, torture "always" works. If I were to be unlucky to be in a spot where some interrogator is about to start pulling my fingernails and wants me to just admit to something I havent done or tell them something I dont know then I'll tell them whatever they want to hear JUST to avoid the unnecessary pain. 😐 For some just the fear of the pain will make them do or say whatever and therefore it wouldnt be a 100% reliable way of getting information out of people (note that im not saying it absolutely cant be reliable just that it wont be always successful or efficient). Then again people have different definition or views on what torture is and also what (or how far) of a type of torture we are talking about. I dont believe torture as a interrogation works for every scenarios or individuals. However going off topic abit I do believe that there should be torture as a form of punishment for the most vile, evil and disgusting criminals that are out there. (given that there is beyond any doubt that they have the right individual) Sorry for a long and unsolicited reply and for any bad spelling and/or incorrect grammar (english is not my first language).
@@randomtuber7420 I don't know. It really takes proving the point better in the best way possible in my opinion. Tim's character was extremely unconvincing from the start when he had to make it in all his power to prove his innocence. This is the major point of confliction in this scene - the fact that a point of agreement could not be delivered. It's sad when lies, false truths, and emotions get in the way of these situations.
Sadly, it was his best outcome. Sad fact, while there are many programs out there to help children and women face their abuse, when it comes to a full grown man, there is little to help with.
What if Katie Marcus never got in her car as well the night she was murdered? Its something that is brought up in the book, and its a pretty powerful section of prose by Lehane.
Quan Lingwall typical for Hollywood with all the pedophiles, child rapers and father stabbers all collected into one gigantic, sickening city who all think that pedophilia and Satan worshipping is normal.
The moral of the story is not that youre supposed to be okay with what happened. And also not listen to insane people like Eric. However,the story does not paint the city of Boston in a good light in any way. You being upset is like me being upset,it was part of the point.
It pissed me off is that right after Sean Penn's character realizes he fucked up (killing an innocent man), his wife basically tells him that he has nothing to feel sorry about...and then they have sex. WTF...
I think that the wife was happy that he came back to the 'gangstar' business. or maybe she was behind all of this to bring him back in business. Also note that she was well connected to the savages .
They weren't best friends, and barley had spoken to one another since they were kids. Dave even said something to the effect in the movie that it took the death of Jimmy's daughter for them to become friends again. At the end of the movie Jimmy was sitting on the sidewalk drunk. Why was he drunk? Because he killed Dave. You could tell he was upset, but like with his daughter, he couldn't cry.
It was the only way he could get over it and not let it consume him. With the help of his wife, he didnt allow the guilt to eat him up, hence his depiction of being unapologetic for murdering his former good friend
@@antonioconteandhislovelyli1604 nonsense, all three deserved it equally. all played their equally vital roles brilliantly. i would give them all the awards if i could.
I empathized with Dave from the first scene, so I never believed that he had killed Kate. This part was very hard for me. I hate Jimmy really much, he's s a criminal and he shows no remorse when he discovered that he had killed an innocent old friend with an hard childhood. I hope that Sean will incriminate him and make him rot in jail!
I hated Jimmy too. In fact, it was his fault while they were kids that Dave ended up in that car. If he didn't talk them into defacing public property, then the pedophile would never have noticed them.
Well he can't admit it to sean because then he will go to prison not to mention he is drunk when he is told, so I'm not sure its fair to say he showed no remorse. He couldn't really show remorse in that scene, but maybe he really is that much of a scumbag and didn't feel bad about it.
I never empathized with Dave. Lied till his last hour to everyone including his wife. Killed a man by taking the law in his own hands then later killed by a man who took the law into his own hands. Was a demented, burden of a man who died a coward, liar, and a murderer. One of the most relieving endings I’ve seen in cinema quite frankly. Jimmy was my favorite character.
He was forcing Dave to say that he killed Katy so that Jimmy could find peace, his character is so blinded by the lust for revenge that he's ready to kill anyone based on the smallest facts, without thinking through the situation. Basically Celeste gave the go ahead, she betrayed her husband, that's low, she didn't even had a proof, no one did , they just all jumped on poor, troubled Dave. While Jimmy's wife Annabeth backed up her husband even though she knew he killed Dave. Tim's character died for nothing and even more frustrating is the fact that the cop knew that but he lets Jimmy go anyway leaving things for him without consequences, I mean come on , old buddy or not the law is for everyone, the guy just killed someone. Great movie, outstanding prequel and writing the only one of Eastwood movies that I actually like and to me the best one he ever made. Thanks for the upload MOVIECLIPS, I was looking for that particular scene for quite some time now.
bottle1 lack Yeah, he killed someone. But I don´t believe everyone who murders deserves punishment from the law: many people kill in self-defense, out of enormous tension, out of desperation, etc. In his case, Dave had a flashback of a horrible childhood trauma and was astonished when the pedophile slayed him. What's more, he saved that poor prostitute. In my opinion, he should have been left alone.
bottle1 lack Sean knows he killed him. He let him go then because he knew evidence will show up incriminating Jimmy later. That's while at the parade Sean makes a gun with his hand and points at Jimmy. In my opinion this symbolizes he knew's Jimmy did it and that there's only a matter of time before the law catches him.
Yeah, you are right the wife had no proof and the same goes for Sean Penn. But you as a viewer think the same. It is not till the last act that you find out that Tim didn't kill her. I would have seen a happy ending, but then I thought that is not how it is in real life. Just like a similar movie from 2014. The only character that I found stupid was the wife of Penn when she find it normal that Penn killed Robbins.
+Chris S Jimmy went straight for his daughter katie whereas initially he was a gangster. When his daughter got killed that changed everything because she was the thing that had made him change his life. At the end of the movie as his wife said he 's gonna become the king of the city. Jimmy is basically back to the ganster path again and I think sean knows it and when he makes a gun with his hand, it just means he will do everything he can to stop jimmy not just because he killed dave, but because he knows that jimmy has gone back to his old ways.
"You'd rather have her think that than you killed a child molester? People don't care if a child molester dies. Why not tell the truth?" "I don't know. Maybe I thought I was turning into him". Absolutely fantastic depiction of what child abuse survivors go throught in adult life.
One of the most gut wrenching downer endings. There is no catharsis, you just feel unsatisfied and irritated that the situation got resolved like this. Very few movies achieve this. For example when Mel Gibson dies at the end of Braveheart, it's moving, but it doesn't feel unsatisfactory. There's a poignance to the death. This however reminds me of American History X, where the ending is logical considering what happened in the film, but it's so disappointing it leaves a bad taste.
PiCheZvara That’s the best part of cinema. It could leave you gut wrenched, but it’s not a cliffhanger. You know how it plays out. It hurts your heart and soul, but that shows how humans react to situations and sickening consequences. It’s humbling.
It's unresolved but heavily implied that Sean will eventually take Jimmy down for his crimes. Kind of wish Dennis Lehane had written a sequel just so we could finally see them go head to head and possibly see Jimmy in jail for what he did to Dave, but maybe this ending is perfect the way it is and leaving it up to the audience's imagination is better.
This is very unfortunate doubting his oen childhood friend but the writing was absolute genius.. how he turn the the story kind of dark side of human.. brilliant direction from Clint Eastwood
If Dave was going to get out this situation alive, he should have told them where he dumped the body, that way it indicates that he didn't kill Jimmy's daughter. Ah well, still a fantastic film and one of my favourites.
With all that pressure from Jimmy and the fact that he was promised to keep his life, plus the way Dave has been struggling himself, I doubt he was thinking straight at all. There was no way he was getting out of that, Jimmy believed Dave did it, and he wasn't about to accept anything else other than a confession. Poor Dave couldn't even save himself, he only said what needed to be heard by Jimmy. I thought the exact same thing as you at the end, I was screaming at Jimmy hahah
Benton yeah that ruined the whole movie for me. It was good up until that point. He simply could've showed his body and gotten out of it. That went from 10/10 to 3/10
That's what happens to people thinking with their own thinking. Sometimes, it is best to mind your own business. Before you stick your nose in other people's business. Thinking you know anything because you heard a rumor.
Thierry Frémaux, the director of the Cannes Film Festival, said that one of his worst memories of the festival was calling Clint Eastwood to tell him that Mystic River did not win any awards
Just finished watching this movie and my heart breaks for Dave😢 for what happened when be was a kid and again when he was killed for something he didn't do. 😢
I don't know why this movie wasn't nominated for an Oscar for Best Cinematography! None of Clint's movies have been nominated for their camerawork except for Changeling I think.
Im not sure he couldve shown the body...since this is also another plothole,that the body couldnt be found. So surethey made him drunk and confused but its still just bad writing cause we would sense bullshit and so should Jimmy. We can always make the case that jimmy wanted to kill anyone to get engeance but still,that he doesnt belive daves innocence is absurd.
I just watched the movie the 2nd time and realized, that the only thing Dave shouldve told Jimmy is where he buried the body. The death of Dave is a major plothole.
Just....bad writing. And Jimmy desperately needed his vengeance so he looked for any reason to kill dave but your question is valid,its the kinda thing you usually believe.
@@christofferjenzen78 Because A) Dave’s wife thinks he killed Katie and B) as Jimmy points out “you just said you and the boy” as in you just said you and the boy killed her.
Just finished watching this film now and gotta admit it this was a sad scene . Dave was miserable after what happened to him , he didn't do it but still gets killed by jimmy . Tis scene was not only sad but made me rage quit .
This movie suprised me. Much like the talented mr Ripley- and true romance... all movies i sorta knew zero about ( basically pre phone/ internet) days... all three turned out to be awesome...
Jimmy Markum is the quintessential bully, always inflicting wrong and getting away with it while Dave is the poor victim who constantly gets the brick on his head. Story isn’t related to school bullying but the dynamics are awfully similar
Honestly after watching this movie in 2013, for some reason this made me go and straight beat the living thing out of Sean Penn savagely even if he is good actor, i was so much into the movie that i forgot some things are in reality. I don't remember some other scenes like this that make me genuinely destroy someone, there are but, i was so emotional while i was watching the movie and the most while i was watching this scene.
I don't need a damn movie. People are sick bastards. I just don't know who to murder first for what they did to me. And I'd have to kill myself afterward.
The police should have found a reason to hold Dave to keep him safe, at that point they already figured out Jimmy killed Just Ray, and knew how hellbent he was on revenge for his daughter.
If I was in Dave’s position I’d jump in the river and swim for it... it was pitch black at night I doubt the drunk goons would’ve been able to shoot him or swim after him
Esta cena é quase insuportável de ver 😢. Pobre homem. Quando eu era criança, uma vizinha que tinha 2 filhos já adultos, disse que eu tinha tirado dinheiro de casa dela😢 o meu era mentira. Eu era muito frágil emocionalmente. A mulher falou comigo de uma maneira que me levou a admitir que eu tinha de facto tirado o dinheiro! O que era mentira!!! Essa vizinha foi depois contar à minha mãe, que me deu uma grande tareia 😢😢😢esse trauma ficou até hoje. Eu tinha uma família onde só havia violência e infelicidade 😢. Hoje tenho 70 anos e essa dor permanece.
A side point to comment on: female sexuality. Annabeth, deeply sexually attracted to Jimmy, even turned on by his brutal murder of his friend, respects and defends his husband despite of the fact that he is a bad man. Dave's wife on the other hand, we saw little affection between the two, and she became afraid of him, and turned him in based on false feelings. All because Dave is a soft man. The meek will not inherit the world. Great movie.
After watch this movie, I hate Jimmy, I also hate his wife, and Dave's wife, and Savage brothers, and the book authors and the film director and netflix.
Ironically Grant Faraday unintentionally but successfully avenged his father's death. In this case Oliver Lang gets blamed for and killed for a murder Grant committed.
Why? It's nothing more than another episode of Law And Order. It's a good movie, but I kept on thinking why make this kind of story into a movie when it could have been a miniseries on NBC.
@@spirittammyk And even if return of the king won,which is not much more then 150 minutes of awesome CGI,it should never have won 11,they just gave the film those to compensate and reward the trilogy as a whole which is NOT how awards should work,they just punished movies that tried to tell a story and did that the same year. It won soundmixing when it wasnt even nominated for sound,it won best screenplay and the movie is 78 % action....This is bullshit since when it comes to winning and not nominating,everyone gets to vote so knowing a movie should probably win is enough for these people. The first one got robbed and is a masterpiece but to give these awards to a movie that you cant even enjoy if you havent seen the two predecessors is absurd.
The Sad Part About This Is That There Was Not A 1 POLICE OFFICER TO STOP THEM!! AND Maybe Kevin Bacon And Laurence Fishburne Could’ve Talked In The Walkie Talkie Who Did It
well imagine you have a friend accusing you of murdering her daughter, if i was sean i would have knocked jimmys face, seans character is very similar to sy in one hour photo, sean was very messed up in the head, because vampires took him for a ride in the woods for 4 days, sy was very messed up too because he was sexually abused by his dad.
I was totally heartbroken seeing this scene, when Dave admitted the crime he actually didn't commit. Tim Robbins played this miserable role so well.
vnloya He wasn’t miserable. He was railroaded by a bunch of thugs. What else could he say at that point?
Right. It looks like he was basically forced to say he killed Katy.
I almost cried for the dude like seriously in my feelings when I first saw this movie. I wanted sean pen arrested after the bedroom scene.
@@mauricioochoa4179 he had ptsd from the abuse as a kid and didnt realize how thuggish Jimmy was in the end Jimmy wanted someone to blame and Dave just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time
Patrick Gogan Jimmy was a no good thug who gets away with it-and plays the hero. Classic American tale
It really broke my heart how Dave lived a miserable life and then at one point when he killed a pedophile for saving a child who was almost in same situation as he was a kid..
What did he get for that??
Killed by his childhood friend for no reason!!
They weren't his friends
@velCROhashthey made him drunk on purpose. So that he can spell truth, but he didnt kill her for real
@@matias5817 exactly
@@Berserk096-z6vHe was acting weird before getting drunk.
Bro I really hated Jimmy's wife after this scene. I can't believe she tried to justify him killing Dave even when he knew he was innocent because "he would do anything for Katie"
It's disgusting to justice. To be fair, though... It was the best thing she could do for Jimmy. He was about to self-implode. If she hadn't done that, Jimmy would have shot himself or turned himself in.
I hated Jimmy. Everything bad that happened to him and the rest of them is his own doing, starting when they were kids. Everything. He is the one that started the writing on the side walk, he was the one that was robbing everything that put him in jail, he is the one that killed Harris that left his wife alone to raise her kids, and that in turn caused one of them to kill Katie. Everything is all Jimmy's fault and he never takes responsibility for it.
@@spirittammyk All facts!
@@lycan-zp9xf you are sick
@@spirittammyk doesn't he say at one point that he was also at fault too somehow for Katie's death and that he just didn't know how he played a hand in it
That's why torture and fear tactics dont work. People will say anything you want to hear to stop the pain. Poor dave admitted to something he didn't do just because he was promised he could go back and see his family.
@@neurodivtries4101 Yep, torture "always" works. If I were to be unlucky to be in a spot where some interrogator is about to start pulling my fingernails and wants me to just admit to something I havent done or tell them something I dont know then I'll tell them whatever they want to hear JUST to avoid the unnecessary pain. 😐 For some just the fear of the pain will make them do or say whatever and therefore it wouldnt be a 100% reliable way of getting information out of people (note that im not saying it absolutely cant be reliable just that it wont be always successful or efficient). Then again people have different definition or views on what torture is and also what (or how far) of a type of torture we are talking about.
I dont believe torture as a interrogation works for every scenarios or individuals. However going off topic abit I do believe that there should be torture as a form of punishment for the most vile, evil and disgusting criminals that are out there. (given that there is beyond any doubt that they have the right individual)
Sorry for a long and unsolicited reply and for any bad spelling and/or incorrect grammar (english is not my first language).
Jimmy had made up his mind to kill Dave from the moment he had his boys pick him up, nothing was going to change that
@Mikhail I spoke to Theon Greyjoy last week and that's exactly what he told me.
@@neurodivtries4101
"Torture always works"
*No signs of intelligent life*
@@randomtuber7420 I don't know. It really takes proving the point better in the best way possible in my opinion. Tim's character was extremely unconvincing from the start when he had to make it in all his power to prove his innocence. This is the major point of confliction in this scene - the fact that a point of agreement could not be delivered. It's sad when lies, false truths, and emotions get in the way of these situations.
And that was the 2nd time he got in the car when he wasn't supposed to! I felt so sad when he got in the car with the Savage brothers.
Sadly, it was his best outcome. Sad fact, while there are many programs out there to help children and women face their abuse, when it comes to a full grown man, there is little to help with.
@@spirittammyk so true, men are usually dismissed and told to just deal with it basically.
@@spirittammyk His best outcome? What a laughably stupid comment.
Tee. I was already crying by the time he went in the car, I knew what was about to happen
What if Katie Marcus never got in her car as well the night she was murdered? Its something that is brought up in the book, and its a pretty powerful section of prose by Lehane.
I knew he was innocent when i recognized him as Tim Robbins from Shawshank Redemption.
Hah yeah
Haha ya poor Andy Dufrene always getting it while being innocent
Everyone in there is innocent
He didnt make it this time though...
@@thacryinggame NEVER !!!!
so the guy that got molested and killed a child molester is the one that gets killed while jimmy gets away with two murders
Quan Lingwall typical for Hollywood with all the pedophiles, child rapers and father stabbers all collected into one gigantic, sickening city who all think that pedophilia and Satan worshipping is normal.
Quan Lingwall w
@@ericboyles7208 i dont think eastwood is part of that not saying it dosent go on, it probably does
The moral of the story is not that youre supposed to be okay with what happened. And also not listen to insane people like Eric. However,the story does not paint the city of Boston in a good light in any way. You being upset is like me being upset,it was part of the point.
You almost make it sound like killing a child molester is an accomplishment.
It pissed me off is that right after Sean Penn's character realizes he fucked up (killing an innocent man), his wife basically tells him that he has nothing to feel sorry about...and then they have sex. WTF...
Rochelle Cast-A-Spell Kings always make right decision
One way I see is Sean Penn's character freed him from this undying pain....
I think that the wife was happy that he came back to the 'gangstar' business. or maybe she was behind all of this to bring him back in business. Also note that she was well connected to the savages .
That is actually realistic.
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They killed Dave twice. That is so fking heartbreaking man.
I hate how he shows no remorse after killing his best friend for something he didn't do.
They weren't best friends, and barley had spoken to one another since they were kids. Dave even said something to the effect in the movie that it took the death of Jimmy's daughter for them to become friends again. At the end of the movie Jimmy was sitting on the sidewalk drunk. Why was he drunk? Because he killed Dave. You could tell he was upset, but like with his daughter, he couldn't cry.
Sugga Cubez he a gangsta
In the book he does struggle with guilt, but just puts it aside and his wife convinces him it was Dave's own fault
It was the only way he could get over it and not let it consume him. With the help of his wife, he didnt allow the guilt to eat him up, hence his depiction of being unapologetic for murdering his former good friend
He insulted his shinebox a little bit, and there wasn’t nothing they could do about it
The way Sean Penn inches toward Dave while continuing to demand Dave to "admit" what he did is pretty scary. Felt realism in his acting
When he stabbed Dave it felt so real man.
@@thacryinggame trolly troll guarding the bridge patrol
@@thacryinggame haha yeah no wonder how he won a Globe Award for Best Actor. dumbass
But what’s really sad- he really didn’t do anything
Both Tim and Sean did deserve the Oscars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vdnkvndsk00 Kevin Bacon was tremendous as well
Bacon and Penn nailed the accents too
Tim deserves it better..
@@antonioconteandhislovelyli1604 nonsense, all three deserved it equally. all played their equally vital roles brilliantly. i would give them all the awards if i could.
@@zachrizzo6525 they use the accents very often. Boston. New York. Etc.
They both won Academy Awards for this performance. That says all about how amazing this dialogue is
Dave was screwed literally as a child and then by society and again by a so called friend, talk about a hard knock life.
He shoulda gotten help a long time ago
@@joewhitehead3 stop victim blaming
@@itsleetv935 What are you talking about? I wasn’t. & why are you saying this like I’ve been doing it?
@@joewhitehead3 you saying he should of got help like it’s that easy? He hasn’t even told his wife…
@@itsleetv935 I didn’t say he shoulda gotten himself help. The people closest to him, his parents or somebody, shoulda helped him
I empathized with Dave from the first scene, so I never believed that he had killed Kate. This part was very hard for me.
I hate Jimmy really much, he's s a criminal and he shows no remorse when he discovered that he had killed an innocent old friend with an hard childhood.
I hope that Sean will incriminate him and make him rot in jail!
I hated Jimmy too. In fact, it was his fault while they were kids that Dave ended up in that car. If he didn't talk them into defacing public property, then the pedophile would never have noticed them.
Well he can't admit it to sean because then he will go to prison not to mention he is drunk when he is told, so I'm not sure its fair to say he showed no remorse. He couldn't really show remorse in that scene, but maybe he really is that much of a scumbag and didn't feel bad about it.
I never empathized with Dave. Lied till his last hour to everyone including his wife. Killed a man by taking the law in his own hands then later killed by a man who took the law into his own hands. Was a demented, burden of a man who died a coward, liar, and a murderer. One of the most relieving endings I’ve seen in cinema quite frankly. Jimmy was my favorite character.
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@@Bananaman11309 nice sarcasm
The movie is not about Katie and her murderer. Its about three friends and how two of those friends killed the 3rd innocent friend.
Exactly.
Yeah that’s what they called a theme
This is so messed up, R.I.P Dave
He was forcing Dave to say that he killed Katy so that Jimmy could find peace, his character is so blinded by the lust for revenge that he's ready to kill anyone based on the smallest facts, without thinking through the situation. Basically Celeste gave the go ahead, she betrayed her husband, that's low, she didn't even had a proof, no one did , they just all jumped on poor, troubled Dave. While Jimmy's wife Annabeth backed up her husband even though she knew he killed Dave. Tim's character died for nothing and even more frustrating is the fact that the cop knew that but he lets Jimmy go anyway leaving things for him without consequences, I mean come on , old buddy or not the law is for everyone, the guy just killed someone. Great movie, outstanding prequel and writing the only one of Eastwood movies that I actually like and to me the best one he ever made. Thanks for the upload MOVIECLIPS, I was looking for that particular scene for quite some time now.
bottle1 lack
Yeah, he killed someone. But I don´t believe everyone who murders deserves punishment from the law: many people kill in self-defense, out of enormous tension, out of desperation, etc.
In his case, Dave had a flashback of a horrible childhood trauma and was astonished when the pedophile slayed him. What's more, he saved that poor prostitute. In my opinion, he should have been left alone.
bottle1 lack Sean knows he killed him. He let him go then because he knew evidence will show up incriminating Jimmy later. That's while at the parade Sean makes a gun with his hand and points at Jimmy. In my opinion this symbolizes he knew's Jimmy did it and that there's only a matter of time before the law catches him.
Yeah, you are right the wife had no proof and the same goes for Sean Penn.
But you as a viewer think the same. It is not till the last act that you find out that Tim didn't kill her.
I would have seen a happy ending, but then I thought that is not how it is in real life. Just like a similar movie from 2014.
The only character that I found stupid was the wife of Penn when she find it normal that Penn killed Robbins.
+Chris S Jimmy went straight for his daughter katie whereas initially he was a gangster. When his daughter got killed that changed everything because she was the thing that had made him change his life. At the end of the movie as his wife said he 's gonna become the king of the city. Jimmy is basically back to the ganster path again and I think sean knows it and when he makes a gun with his hand, it just means he will do everything he can to stop jimmy not just because he killed dave, but because he knows that jimmy has gone back to his old ways.
I agree with all of that except, come on, Eastwood has made countless great films. Just look at his Oscar wins.
I think I've never felt so much for a character like for Dave (Tim Robbins). Such a tragic film, really good.
Jimmy killed Just Ray, and now his daughter Katie was killed by Ray Junior
why is Tim Robbins always wrongly accused? :/
Hahahaha
In Nothing To Lose, he wrongly accused someone
Point is, a goon is always a goon in mentality, whether he leaves his ways of hooliganism or not.
That's definitely true of Jimmy.
@@marsha-madness-super-badness yeah
you see this coming the whole movie yet you desperately hope it doesn't happen
00:30 the crew don't really care, they just wanna see Jimmy in his old ways and they miss him. They even said so earlier.
"You'd rather have her think that than you killed a child molester? People don't care if a child molester dies. Why not tell the truth?" "I don't know. Maybe I thought I was turning into him".
Absolutely fantastic depiction of what child abuse survivors go throught in adult life.
the novel subtly hints Dave is thinking about it
@@kerryman8281 about becoming one?
It's like a vampire,once it's in you...
One of the most gut wrenching downer endings. There is no catharsis, you just feel unsatisfied and irritated that the situation got resolved like this.
Very few movies achieve this. For example when Mel Gibson dies at the end of Braveheart, it's moving, but it doesn't feel unsatisfactory. There's a poignance to the death.
This however reminds me of American History X, where the ending is logical considering what happened in the film, but it's so disappointing it leaves a bad taste.
PiCheZvara That’s the best part of cinema. It could leave you gut wrenched, but it’s not a cliffhanger. You know how it plays out. It hurts your heart and soul, but that shows how humans react to situations and sickening consequences. It’s humbling.
This true
American history x's ending was at least poetic this movie's the most horrible ending i've ever seen
It's unresolved but heavily implied that Sean will eventually take Jimmy down for his crimes. Kind of wish Dennis Lehane had written a sequel just so we could finally see them go head to head and possibly see Jimmy in jail for what he did to Dave, but maybe this ending is perfect the way it is and leaving it up to the audience's imagination is better.
I felt so sorry for dave, he was totally forgotten
Jimmy is a devil tbh, I wish that cop arrested him
:( Daves fate is really sad.he was abused and got killed by his old friend.
Poor dave got betrayal in every way, his childhood, wife, friends, everything 😢
Jimmy doesn't have a ball to take the consequeces of what he did to Dave. Jimmy betrayed dave, so did sean.
This is very unfortunate doubting his oen childhood friend but the writing was absolute genius.. how he turn the the story kind of dark side of human.. brilliant direction from Clint Eastwood
I feel sad for Tim Robbins. First, he was betrayed by his wife in Shawshanks Redemption. Here, he's betrayed by his wife Celeste. Poor guy he is...
Tim is an innocent man
Had a great ending in Shawshank tho..
Extraordinary acting from Sean penn
This movie makes me realise how.miserable the universe is
Sean penn became a legend with this performance. He'd been amazing in dead man walking etc but this was his finest moment in my opinion
Not even close.Tim Robbin's performance was much better.
Yeah he was brilliant
If Dave was going to get out this situation alive, he should have told them where he dumped the body, that way it indicates that he didn't kill Jimmy's daughter. Ah well, still a fantastic film and one of my favourites.
It wouldn't matter, Jimmy is a pos and had already made his mind up the second Dave'e wife decided to not stand by her man.
With all that pressure from Jimmy and the fact that he was promised to keep his life, plus the way Dave has been struggling himself, I doubt he was thinking straight at all. There was no way he was getting out of that, Jimmy believed Dave did it, and he wasn't about to accept anything else other than a confession. Poor Dave couldn't even save himself, he only said what needed to be heard by Jimmy. I thought the exact same thing as you at the end, I was screaming at Jimmy hahah
Benton yeah that ruined the whole movie for me. It was good up until that point. He simply could've showed his body and gotten out of it. That went from 10/10 to 3/10
Yeah good idea, I really don't know why he didn't do that. I guess he was too stressed to think straight
Penn, De Niro, Denzel and Hanks my all time fave
You dont mention Tim Robbins outstanding performance in this?
Its crazy how old this film is now great acting all around
It is terrible when one is trying to find out who committed such an evil act.
That's what happens to people thinking with their own thinking. Sometimes, it is best to mind your own business. Before you stick your nose in other people's business. Thinking you know anything because you heard a rumor.
This film is immoral
as is life...
This film is one of the greatest pieces of neo-noir ever made.
GOD LOVES YOU MAN ! start your relationship with him ! before its too late
reality is immoral, this film merely reflects that
The characters are immoral but that doesn't make the film itself immoral.
the best part is Movieclips still cutting the best part of the clip out
I'm supposed to perform that great scene as part of the show of my theater class. Hopefully I can fit in that character. great acting though!
how did it go?
Oh that's heavy
How'd it go??
How'd it go!??
Thierry Frémaux, the director of the Cannes Film Festival, said that one of his worst memories of the festival was calling Clint Eastwood to tell him that Mystic River did not win any awards
This movie is and always will be an epic movie. In 2023 ...still!
Penn and Robbins are ridiculously good in this movie.
Just finished watching this movie and my heart breaks for Dave😢 for what happened when be was a kid and again when he was killed for something he didn't do. 😢
the further you go the more you understand that Jimmy is practically the villain of the film....timeless masterpiece
I don't know why this movie wasn't nominated for an Oscar for Best Cinematography!
None of Clint's movies have been nominated for their camerawork except for Changeling I think.
The ending was lame
This is a huge flaw with the movie: Dave could have simply shown them the body of the freak that he killed to prove his innocence.
He was also drunk as a skunk here and confused
Agreed. Hated the ending
Im not sure he couldve shown the body...since this is also another plothole,that the body couldnt be found. So surethey made him drunk and confused but its still just bad writing cause we would sense bullshit and so should Jimmy. We can always make the case that jimmy wanted to kill anyone to get engeance but still,that he doesnt belive daves innocence is absurd.
I watched this movie yesterday and i found a hidden gem.
They dont make movies like this no more, shame
I just watched the movie the 2nd time and realized, that the only thing Dave shouldve told Jimmy is where he buried the body. The death of Dave is a major plothole.
dave couldn't think straight though
He was three sheets to the wind here and terrified Jimmy was only interested in a confession so he had an excuse to kill imo
Jimmy was killing Dave no matter what at that point. Even if he told them where it was straight up.
@@lycan-zp9xf Yep, and this is why taking supposed justice in your hands is not a good idea.
The word plothole isnt meant to be used to describe something in the narrative that you dont like. Thats not what that word means.
How could he not believe him when he said he killed a pedophile?
Just....bad writing. And Jimmy desperately needed his vengeance so he looked for any reason to kill dave but your question is valid,its the kinda thing you usually believe.
@@christofferjenzen78
Because A) Dave’s wife thinks he killed Katie and B) as Jimmy points out “you just said you and the boy” as in you just said you and the boy killed her.
Just finished watching this film now and gotta admit it this was a sad scene . Dave was miserable after what happened to him , he didn't do it but still gets killed by jimmy .
Tis scene was not only sad but made me rage quit .
It's a shame every good scene in this movie is hindered by odd editing choices
Why not bring to trial the person who killed unjustly. And when the officer knew the murderer, why did he leave him?
Lots of bastards around the world are.not in jail. That's life
The saddest death.. The Dave death!
19yrs old Smh
The actress who played katie was actually 17 at that time.
This movie suprised me. Much like the talented mr Ripley- and true romance... all movies i sorta knew zero about ( basically pre phone/ internet) days... all three turned out to be awesome...
That bar they were drinking in was not a real one down by the water. Just built from the outside while the scene was shot in another bar.
Jimmy Markum is the quintessential bully, always inflicting wrong and getting away with it while Dave is the poor victim who constantly gets the brick on his head. Story isn’t related to school bullying but the dynamics are awfully similar
Honestly after watching this movie in 2013, for some reason this made me go and straight beat the living thing out of Sean Penn savagely even if he is good actor, i was so much into the movie that i forgot some things are in reality. I don't remember some other scenes like this that make me genuinely destroy someone, there are but, i was so emotional while i was watching the movie and the most while i was watching this scene.
I don't need a damn movie. People are sick bastards. I just don't know who to murder first for what they did to me. And I'd have to kill myself afterward.
*"We bury our sins here Dave, We wash them clean"*
He killed an innocent man i feel sorry for dave
you see this is why torture is not an effective interrogation technique - the prisoner will just say whatever they think their captor wants to hear
The police should have found a reason to hold Dave to keep him safe, at that point they already figured out Jimmy killed Just Ray, and knew how hellbent he was on revenge for his daughter.
I always found the Savage Brothers insufferable
No wonder the dude cracked in War of the Worlds.
Trust your family, if you can trust your family ...
If I was in Dave’s position I’d jump in the river and swim for it... it was pitch black at night I doubt the drunk goons would’ve been able to shoot him or swim after him
poor Dave :((
sad thing is he could have told the truth and been straight with the detectives earlier. i guess he was too damaged and it was too personal for him.
And go to jail for murder?
@@GigaChadh976 true possibility. at least he would be alive and his son wouldn't be fatherless
I crying for this scene
Poor Dave smh
Don’t admit it Dave. Please.
He did & was still killed
@@joewhitehead3 Yea, he could've said where he put the other guy's body.
@@kenji4861 Mmh, I didn’t of that
You got Chapo caught Spicoli..
Why did Dave admit the thing he didn't do?
Cus Jimmy said he’d let him live
Because he’s a stupid coward.
To Boston natives: was their accents accurate?
Charles De Rosas everyone did a bang up job but Laurence Fishburne went a little over the top imo
Yea he did Lol
His wife killed him.....
Esta cena é quase insuportável de ver 😢. Pobre homem. Quando eu era criança, uma vizinha que tinha 2 filhos já adultos, disse que eu tinha tirado dinheiro de casa dela😢 o meu era mentira. Eu era muito frágil emocionalmente.
A mulher falou comigo de uma maneira que me levou a admitir que eu tinha de facto tirado o dinheiro! O que era mentira!!! Essa vizinha foi depois contar à minha mãe, que me deu uma grande tareia 😢😢😢esse trauma ficou até hoje. Eu tinha uma família onde só havia violência e infelicidade 😢.
Hoje tenho 70 anos e essa dor permanece.
One of the greatest scenes in all of American moviemaking, if you ask me.
sean penn was so gangsta ruthless best movie
A side point to comment on: female sexuality.
Annabeth, deeply sexually attracted to Jimmy, even turned on by his brutal murder of his friend, respects and defends his husband despite of the fact that he is a bad man.
Dave's wife on the other hand, we saw little affection between the two, and she became afraid of him, and turned him in based on false feelings. All because Dave is a soft man.
The meek will not inherit the world.
Great movie.
After watch this movie, I hate Jimmy, I also hate his wife, and Dave's wife, and Savage brothers, and the book authors and the film director and netflix.
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He should’ve just said I’ll take you to the body if it’s not there you can kill me.
Dave could have just said I'll take you to the body
Ironically Grant Faraday unintentionally but successfully avenged his father's death. In this case Oliver Lang gets blamed for and killed for a murder Grant committed.
great scene look on Jimmys face
That line was stone cold
Tim Robbins accent is masterful
It’s weird how the guy who made this also made 15:17 to Paris. 😄
Nagyon jó film volt Nagyon tetszett Éva
Sean Penn Sounds Like Tom Hanks Voice.
This would have won Best Picture any other year if it wasn’t against Return Of the King
Why? It's nothing more than another episode of Law And Order. It's a good movie, but I kept on thinking why make this kind of story into a movie when it could have been a miniseries on NBC.
@@spirittammyk And even if return of the king won,which is not much more then 150 minutes of awesome CGI,it should never have won 11,they just gave the film those to compensate and reward the trilogy as a whole which is NOT how awards should work,they just punished movies that tried to tell a story and did that the same year.
It won soundmixing when it wasnt even nominated for sound,it won best screenplay and the movie is 78 % action....This is bullshit since when it comes to winning and not nominating,everyone gets to vote so knowing a movie should probably win is enough for these people.
The first one got robbed and is a masterpiece but to give these awards to a movie that you cant even enjoy if you havent seen the two predecessors is absurd.
The Sad Part About This Is That There Was Not A 1 POLICE OFFICER TO STOP THEM!! AND Maybe Kevin Bacon And Laurence Fishburne Could’ve Talked In The Walkie Talkie Who Did It
well imagine you have a friend accusing you of murdering her daughter, if i was sean i would have knocked jimmys face, seans character is very similar to sy in one hour photo, sean was very messed up in the head, because vampires took him for a ride in the woods for 4 days, sy was very messed up too because he was sexually abused by his dad.
You’re thinking of Dave not Sean, Sean was the detective
Ugh ı really hate this scene, it's so sad
no
I would not have admitted to anything I didn’t do especially killing someone
Who else thinks jimmy looks like Leo from a way out the game