I would say that ff16 has become one of my favorite games ever and that Clive is my most favorite MC throughout ff series and I’m glad that there’s other people who like the aspect that each ff game changes and don’t stay the same. Also it got robbed of GOTY nomination overall great video
Hope we won't have to wait too much longer for a PC port - I'd love to play this. Character action games are my favourite subgenre, so I'm definitely curious.
Great vid! It's been awhile since i've finished the game but it still feel so strongly about it. I have a feeling the Leviathan DLC will provide a new ending with clive being the "perfect vessel", whatever that may entail. Should be interesting.
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Its devil may cry but final fantasy. Literally two goated game franchises merged into one full game. It is really good whether anyone agrees or not. I prefer old school ff games myself but this was very refreshing coming from dogshit like 13 and 15. Fight me.
MOST of the lore in this game is force fed to you by the bad guy between fights... That is why the game is good until the end. When the fight pause for no reason and the bad guy starts speaking 'let me tell you why humans are blah blah blah' Then I wish the main character is not clive but Jack from Stranger of Paradise and just tell the boss to STFU.
The whole story feels like it started as a madlip. Like one writer set up the GOT style intrigue and betrayal plot. Then a different writer came in, didnt like that so he wrapped it up and made it an ff7 style save the world from degredation by destroying the big structures (mother crystsals /reactors) depleting the earth's resources (ether/mako) for convenience (magic/ electricity). Then a third writer decided to abandon that entirely for a ff13 style: Lets kill god by doing exactly what he asks us to, plot.
Yeah…I don’t agree with your take. concepts of predestination, existentialism, and environmentalism were present since beginning to end, the Blight, Clive’s insecurity, and the concept of bearers was present from beginning to end.
I agree with you man, this story has so much going on, and very little actually holds together well. Plus, the themes it goes for aren't well connected. Also, Clives arc ending in the first act was simply dumb and I'm yet to be convinced otherwise. There's good characters, but none of them are built in the main plot. Also, the world is kind of lame, a world that relies heavily on magic for everything sounds cool, but they're also medieval, so that reliance is still quite low. With Cids tech, they could probably readjust within 10 years, maybe 20.
They all tie in together, it's about human resilience in a world full of human sin. Humans attack and kill each other, hurt each other, abuse one another, and suck the life out of the earth. Despite that, Clive and friends want to fight for this world that's full of evil because there is a lot of good in the world that is worth fighting for. The fact that there's GOT style betrayal, FF7 style ecoterrorism tie into the final point of fighting a god. It's not just any god, it's the god that created humans. Última created humans and left them to their devices. You know the quote about how God stays in heaven because he fears what he created? Ultima didn't fear humans, he looked down on them and why wouldn't he? Look at what humans do to each other and their world. You should take some time to reevaluate the story. You say it is disjointed and seems like it has different writers. Look at the story again through the lens of human relience and perseverance. Clive and Jill started the game wanting to die in the battlefield, and it ends with Clive and friends fighting for the lives and wills of humans, the same humans that hurt each other and hurt the world, because they find out that they do want to fight for their loved ones.
@REDEEMERWOLF excellent reply. Personally, I don't see any proper link between themes of practical problems like slavery and environmental destruction and abstract problems such as ones place in the world compared to their creator. Also, the idea of saving the world that hates them could've been very satisfying if it were more deeply involved in the plot. To expand, every mention of slavery after the time jump is typically in one of those forced side quests that don't move the plot forward at all. If you find the themes satisfying, then I partially envy you, and I hope you can enjoy many more replays of FF16 in the future. For a game getting such praise, I expected better from its narrative themes and characters.
@@mattappl3119 if I can offer my perspective on that, FF16 begins with themes like slavery, betrayal, war and murder. We see a lot in the first few hours of FF16. When Clive sees Jill again I can imagine that he thinks on how downhill his life has gotten because his memories of Jill are those of happy times, and now they're both in the same battlefield. That's why when the iron kingdom surround him and Jill he just gives up. Jill also is the same, she says "let this be the end" then when she is defeated she says "at last". Clive and Jill both want to die. That's sad man. Throughout the story we witness more atrocities such as Anabella purging bearers just because she hates them like they're nothing, anabella executing those that sympathize with them, the iron kingdom slaughtering and defiling women for holy rituals, the treatment of bearers especially in the empire of sanbreque where bearers are considered playthings for the amusement of humans, as well as the mechanations of the government's of the different lands and regions like when Sanbreque invaded and took over the crystalline dominion and he wanted to continue taking over more land for greed and Anabella's greed. Sorry I'm just pointing out a lot of heinous shit from FF16 lmao, but with all that nasty stuff you would think Clive would just give up and say fuck it última just kill us all. But Clive's story begins when he is at his lowest, finds a second chance with Cid, learns to accept his mistakes from the past and embrace who he is now and what he will fight for with Jill. That's just the start, he reunites with joshua, finds a lifelong friend in Gav, and makes connections throughout the realm of Valisthea. The Clive at the beginning of the game is different from the Clive at the end of the game who despite being witness to the bad stuff in the game, chooses to fight for the same humans that enslave and kill each other, because there is still good in humans that can win out. The faith in Clive and the lack of faith within Ultima is a strong thing when you think about it. He did get new Eikon powers, but his experiences with each of them isn't necessarily good. Example, Clive hates Kupka's guts but he still embraces his Titan Eikon because he learns to embrace the bad with the good because they make him who he is. My point is that the game starts with grounded themes like slavery and environment destruction so that we can first discuss the morality of human intervention, then we can move onto a grander discussion about the morality of human existence. FF16 takes the stance that life can be cruel and deal you a shit hand sometimes, and that humans can be shitty to each other and the world around them, but the life you have will always be a life that's worth living and fighting for, even in a world that can be cruel it can also be beautiful Btw I didn't immediately like FF16, it's just that the more I thought about it and rewatch ed the scenes the more I realized that everything does tie in together. The more I think about the story the more I appreciate it
Ngl i was a lil disappointed w/ the story...very good and detailed world building but I felt like the main plot was super thin...once the main antagonist is revealed we get next to no information about him or his orgins or really his motivations aside from he needs Clive to reincarnate physically....I felt like the whole game I was waiting for reveals and lore dumps that are signature to all FF games and it never came...as the type of player who likes to complete every piece of side content before finishing the game, for me it ended up feeling like 97% world building and 3% of the story involved the actual main conflict between antagonist & protagonist...i still have no idea who Logos is, where Ultima came from, why he had to cast off his physical form, and it took til one of the very last side quest to get an explanation to why the whole world hates people who can use magic but simultaneously worships magic crystals and cant even figure out how to light a fire w/o using magic😂😂 just too many loose ends and things that weren't properly fleshed in replace of just way too much world building and politico stuff that no real effect on the main plot
Overall liked the vid, but you definitely illustrated the quest complaint to a way I finally understand it. If you never followed through on the larger quest arcs and only did the little fetch quests - I imagine you're not alone and you can just really tell who didn't do them. The quests bloom up and to just cut them off and be like "none worth it" while also appreciating the character and story of the game just blows my mind. Outside a few quests, the only real reward for most of the quests were story and character building - so for people skipping everything I get not doing them (don't agree, but I get it) but to appreciate the story and still skip them - crazy. Too bad because you nailed the love for the grounded -to-batshit ratio this game balances perfect, but doing a review without at least finishing the 'main' side quests is a dropped ball for the review. Overall 8/10 review.
@KoNekoNoUta 11 is my top. Bottom 3 is ff15,ff16, mystic quest. Problem with these newer ff games is that they are becoming less and less like rpgs and more of single player action games where you just spam a few buttons
Only once the mobs becomes trash. Everything in these action ff games is mindless. It caters to the casual crowd that just wants pretty graphics, simple game play, and story.
@@Sassarai916 Nah, FFVI was pretty mindless too. There are just a few mainline FF games where random encounters are actually engaging, and honestly FFXVI is indeed among them. Combo potential and build variety coupled with smooth VFX and great sound design make playing better than average feel rewarding, even when it's unnecessary.
I would say that ff16 has become one of my favorite games ever and that Clive is my most favorite MC throughout ff series and I’m glad that there’s other people who like the aspect that each ff game changes and don’t stay the same. Also it got robbed of GOTY nomination overall great video
Top 3 FF game
Yep. A GOATed action game too
lol no
Hope we won't have to wait too much longer for a PC port - I'd love to play this. Character action games are my favourite subgenre, so I'm definitely curious.
Hey man, great video! You summed up why I love this game perfectly.
Great vid! It's been awhile since i've finished the game but it still feel so strongly about it.
I have a feeling the Leviathan DLC will provide a new ending with clive being the "perfect vessel", whatever that may entail. Should be interesting.
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Its devil may cry but final fantasy. Literally two goated game franchises merged into one full game. It is really good whether anyone agrees or not. I prefer old school ff games myself but this was very refreshing coming from dogshit like 13 and 15. Fight me.
Very good review of a GOATed game, best since DMC5 imo
MOST of the lore in this game is force fed to you by the bad guy between fights...
That is why the game is good until the end.
When the fight pause for no reason and the bad guy starts speaking 'let me tell you why humans are blah blah blah'
Then I wish the main character is not clive but Jack from Stranger of Paradise and just tell the boss to STFU.
Fantastic video
The whole story feels like it started as a madlip. Like one writer set up the GOT style intrigue and betrayal plot.
Then a different writer came in, didnt like that so he wrapped it up and made it an ff7 style save the world from degredation by destroying the big structures (mother crystsals /reactors) depleting the earth's resources (ether/mako) for convenience (magic/ electricity).
Then a third writer decided to abandon that entirely for a ff13 style: Lets kill god by doing exactly what he asks us to, plot.
Yeah…I don’t agree with your take. concepts of predestination, existentialism, and environmentalism were present since beginning to end, the Blight, Clive’s insecurity, and the concept of bearers was present from beginning to end.
I agree with you man, this story has so much going on, and very little actually holds together well. Plus, the themes it goes for aren't well connected. Also, Clives arc ending in the first act was simply dumb and I'm yet to be convinced otherwise. There's good characters, but none of them are built in the main plot. Also, the world is kind of lame, a world that relies heavily on magic for everything sounds cool, but they're also medieval, so that reliance is still quite low. With Cids tech, they could probably readjust within 10 years, maybe 20.
They all tie in together, it's about human resilience in a world full of human sin. Humans attack and kill each other, hurt each other, abuse one another, and suck the life out of the earth. Despite that, Clive and friends want to fight for this world that's full of evil because there is a lot of good in the world that is worth fighting for. The fact that there's GOT style betrayal, FF7 style ecoterrorism tie into the final point of fighting a god. It's not just any god, it's the god that created humans. Última created humans and left them to their devices.
You know the quote about how God stays in heaven because he fears what he created? Ultima didn't fear humans, he looked down on them and why wouldn't he? Look at what humans do to each other and their world.
You should take some time to reevaluate the story. You say it is disjointed and seems like it has different writers. Look at the story again through the lens of human relience and perseverance. Clive and Jill started the game wanting to die in the battlefield, and it ends with Clive and friends fighting for the lives and wills of humans, the same humans that hurt each other and hurt the world, because they find out that they do want to fight for their loved ones.
@REDEEMERWOLF excellent reply. Personally, I don't see any proper link between themes of practical problems like slavery and environmental destruction and abstract problems such as ones place in the world compared to their creator.
Also, the idea of saving the world that hates them could've been very satisfying if it were more deeply involved in the plot. To expand, every mention of slavery after the time jump is typically in one of those forced side quests that don't move the plot forward at all.
If you find the themes satisfying, then I partially envy you, and I hope you can enjoy many more replays of FF16 in the future.
For a game getting such praise, I expected better from its narrative themes and characters.
@@mattappl3119 if I can offer my perspective on that, FF16 begins with themes like slavery, betrayal, war and murder. We see a lot in the first few hours of FF16. When Clive sees Jill again I can imagine that he thinks on how downhill his life has gotten because his memories of Jill are those of happy times, and now they're both in the same battlefield. That's why when the iron kingdom surround him and Jill he just gives up. Jill also is the same, she says "let this be the end" then when she is defeated she says "at last". Clive and Jill both want to die. That's sad man.
Throughout the story we witness more atrocities such as Anabella purging bearers just because she hates them like they're nothing, anabella executing those that sympathize with them, the iron kingdom slaughtering and defiling women for holy rituals, the treatment of bearers especially in the empire of sanbreque where bearers are considered playthings for the amusement of humans, as well as the mechanations of the government's of the different lands and regions like when Sanbreque invaded and took over the crystalline dominion and he wanted to continue taking over more land for greed and Anabella's greed.
Sorry I'm just pointing out a lot of heinous shit from FF16 lmao, but with all that nasty stuff you would think Clive would just give up and say fuck it última just kill us all. But Clive's story begins when he is at his lowest, finds a second chance with Cid, learns to accept his mistakes from the past and embrace who he is now and what he will fight for with Jill. That's just the start, he reunites with joshua, finds a lifelong friend in Gav, and makes connections throughout the realm of Valisthea.
The Clive at the beginning of the game is different from the Clive at the end of the game who despite being witness to the bad stuff in the game, chooses to fight for the same humans that enslave and kill each other, because there is still good in humans that can win out. The faith in Clive and the lack of faith within Ultima is a strong thing when you think about it. He did get new Eikon powers, but his experiences with each of them isn't necessarily good. Example, Clive hates Kupka's guts but he still embraces his Titan Eikon because he learns to embrace the bad with the good because they make him who he is.
My point is that the game starts with grounded themes like slavery and environment destruction so that we can first discuss the morality of human intervention, then we can move onto a grander discussion about the morality of human existence. FF16 takes the stance that life can be cruel and deal you a shit hand sometimes, and that humans can be shitty to each other and the world around them, but the life you have will always be a life that's worth living and fighting for, even in a world that can be cruel it can also be beautiful
Btw I didn't immediately like FF16, it's just that the more I thought about it and rewatch ed the scenes the more I realized that everything does tie in together. The more I think about the story the more I appreciate it
pizza dad, yeah!!!
Thanks for telling the whole damn story smh
Ngl i was a lil disappointed w/ the story...very good and detailed world building but I felt like the main plot was super thin...once the main antagonist is revealed we get next to no information about him or his orgins or really his motivations aside from he needs Clive to reincarnate physically....I felt like the whole game I was waiting for reveals and lore dumps that are signature to all FF games and it never came...as the type of player who likes to complete every piece of side content before finishing the game, for me it ended up feeling like 97% world building and 3% of the story involved the actual main conflict between antagonist & protagonist...i still have no idea who Logos is, where Ultima came from, why he had to cast off his physical form, and it took til one of the very last side quest to get an explanation to why the whole world hates people who can use magic but simultaneously worships magic crystals and cant even figure out how to light a fire w/o using magic😂😂 just too many loose ends and things that weren't properly fleshed in replace of just way too much world building and politico stuff that no real effect on the main plot
See you on next video
Overall liked the vid, but you definitely illustrated the quest complaint to a way I finally understand it. If you never followed through on the larger quest arcs and only did the little fetch quests - I imagine you're not alone and you can just really tell who didn't do them. The quests bloom up and to just cut them off and be like "none worth it" while also appreciating the character and story of the game just blows my mind. Outside a few quests, the only real reward for most of the quests were story and character building - so for people skipping everything I get not doing them (don't agree, but I get it) but to appreciate the story and still skip them - crazy.
Too bad because you nailed the love for the grounded -to-batshit ratio this game balances perfect, but doing a review without at least finishing the 'main' side quests is a dropped ball for the review.
Overall 8/10 review.
Ff16 is my bottom 3 ff game.
Its not my top, but definetly not bottom 3.
and i played every single one include 11 and 14.
@KoNekoNoUta 11 is my top. Bottom 3 is ff15,ff16, mystic quest. Problem with these newer ff games is that they are becoming less and less like rpgs and more of single player action games where you just spam a few buttons
@@Sassarai916 There is much more button spamming in beloved entries like FFVI and FFVII, if you ask me.
Only once the mobs becomes trash. Everything in these action ff games is mindless. It caters to the casual crowd that just wants pretty graphics, simple game play, and story.
@@Sassarai916 Nah, FFVI was pretty mindless too. There are just a few mainline FF games where random encounters are actually engaging, and honestly FFXVI is indeed among them. Combo potential and build variety coupled with smooth VFX and great sound design make playing better than average feel rewarding, even when it's unnecessary.
You saved to finish this boring game, thx for telling the plot lol
Ngl the battle system is ass, falls short from dmc
No.
16 is probably the worst Final Fantasy game.
Its barely an RPG and not even a JRPG.
it has a serious identity crisis. Combat was so easy it was sad.
@@AlecFortescue And you have to beat the game twice if you want to play the game's true difficulty.
Beat a 60 hour RPG with terrible side quests twice