86 feet ….People are complaining about 86 feet ? …..Relative to other transit systems in the US ,this station isn’t that deep , on the east coast it’s not uncommon to have underground rail stations that are almost 200 ft underground , that said ,the problem here isn’t the depth of the station , it’s the efficiency of the methods used to transport people from street level to platform level
80 feet isnt bad. Tokyo have OOEDO LINE, deepest train stations around Tokyo. its not one station, all stations are deep underground. need to go down 3 floors to the platform. but in case of mega earthquakes, it supposed to function and protect people, and use as shelter. another good example id metro in Moscow, Russia.
Only 50 steps? Some people are way too lazy and will make up any excuse to cancel something even mildly disruptive or different from what they are used to.
The real story here is they could have bored 2 standard smaller tunnels side-by-side that would have been less deep and more convenient for everyone ...but a few small businesses complained because that would have required more digging and temporary street closures.
They complained they didn’t want cut and cover to disrupt the street above.. so BART & VTA comes up with a single bore tunnel that has to be extremely deep… still complaining 😂 Make up y’all mines. Honestly, they should just do the cut and cover and have different crews working 24/7 to speed up the construction. Use the extra money to pay for all the businesses that will loose money during the construction.
True as the same with L.A. Metro that got 1 billion to speed up the work so that they can have the Olympics. As they same for Bart so that it doesn't go into 2034 for the opening date of service. Just like what happened to the Berryessa and North San Jose line that should have open 2017 but no it open in 2020. Bart should get billions to speed up the work as well of extending further into South San Jose area to for that extra. But no telling how that's going to be in the future.
You still have to cut and cover where the stations are located regardless. As an NHL fan, I have major concerns about Diridon station because it's right next to SAP Center and it's connected to the rest of Diridon (aka the Grand Central of the West). Honestly, I like the idea of BART going through Downtown San Jose for SJSU students to commute by BART like UC Berkley students do now, gives NHL fans (mainly from Oakland, East Bay suburban cities, and Contra Costa County) the option to travel to SAP Center by BART instead of driving the nearly gridlocked freeways.
@@zanemarte9877 The entire route under Downtown San Jose should of remained cut & cover. Businesses and certain groups complained about the construction disrupting daily lives for years. Soo VTA & BART came up with this single bore tunnel to not disturb the streets above, but it came as a cost of smaller platforms and a deeper tunnel. Now other people and groups are complaining the tunnel too deep????? If isn’t one thing, it’s another🤦🏾♂️
@@IGtyi39AL78F56 As much as I like to have BART that far south or even connect to light rail in Winchester, it's not going to happen because capacity can only go so far up, and even with the idea of BART having the ultimate goal of over 1,000 cars to a total of 100 trains with 10 cars the system won't have the capacity to handle all those people.
@@zanemarte9877 San Jose Area isn't that big anyways like L.A. Area is as of L.A. Metro. They talk about having go to Gilroy and Monterey Area way later on as of they will probably go locomotive trains like EBart did of a cheaper capacity.
You guys wanted the single bore so santa clara wouldn't be torn up. This is what you guys chose and honestly 80 feet isn't as deep as the central subway at powell street in SF. Stop complaining 🙄.
In russia stations run up to 250-300 feet deep, in Washington dc theres stations that range up to 150 feet deep, in london all the deep level tube lines average 60-80 feet and some only have stairs and elevators so these ppl literally sound lazy, the chances that all elevators and escalators stop working at once is so low so wtf they sound rediculous
They should make like the downtown Oakland stations for it to be much safer when earthquakes happens and malfunction happens and better evacuation plans.
The escalators, elevators will be filled with human feces, needles and whatever else drug is available. Also, great place for drug addicts to sleep on those long train rides.
Doubtful that would be the case. The Google development is moving forward and another thing too the stations have connections to San Jose State University which would give students another option for commute to the main campus, the rest of Diridon station, SAP Center (home of NHL's San Jose Sharks), ACE, Caltrain, and Amtrak.
@William Hummel lol agreed!! Those escalators spell death if you attempt to slide down that rail 😂😂!! Imagine days where the entire station has no escalators running.
If you ride on Bart ,the Majority of the time the escalators are broken down for days .. Not only does it takes days and weeks to repair them in my 45 yrs of riding Bart I’ve never seen all running escalators at any station good luck 👍🏻
The new LIRR stations (8 tracks) under Grand Central Station NYC, are an average 140' below grade. Because there are two different platform levels, this distance varies. What's wrong with you people, have you not heard of escalators and elevators?
@@da9856 well you're complaining about something off-topic on a video about VTA/Bart. So any gripes about what San Jose needs to fix can be directed to San Jose's virtual city hall meetings during public commenting and NOT on a video about VTA/Bart because as i said, IT'S NOT THEIR JOB!!!
First off why isn’t this a dual bore system with cut and cover stations. Like every other modern system in this country and the rest of Bart’s underground tracks.
If they think that’s deep, wait until they go to Forest Glen station and Wheaton station here on the DC metro Red Line. Forest Glen is 196 ft deep, and it only has high speed elevators. And Wheaton is 145 and contains the longest set of escalators in the Western Hemisphere. They go straight from the surface to the mezzanine. So stop complaining about 86 ft.
Rosslyn station on DC Metro is 103 ft below street level. It’s not a big deal. Commuters adapt. They’ve done it for 45 years…even if there’s an escalator/elevator outage.
Good point. I've been riding BART for decades and can never remember an escalator being broken ...then again people tell me I don't have a very good memory 😂
Um, once you get on this train in SJ how many days will it take you to get to SF? And, given that this train stops in that sh*thole of a city called Oakland, how many people will actually make it to SF alive?
The green line goes from North San Jose to Daly City. If you're on the orange line instead, the transfer station (blue, green and orange lines) is Bay View in San Leandro. The last time I took BART, it was 45 minutes to get from Fremont to San Francisco in January 2020. Bring ear plugs. BART trains are LOUD.
@@CDReimer I suggest you review a BART map. The Green line does not go “directly” to Daly City. It makes multiple stops along the way, including Oakland. Hence, my tongue-in-cheek posting.
@@TheLIRRFrenchie... Sorry, but I am correct. The green line does not go “directly “ to DC. It makes multiple stops along the way. “Directly” implies zero stops. And, have you ever taken BART from SJ to SF? It takes forever.
There are some things you gonna have to put up with because Bart is doing something that they've never done before with the approval of boring machines and a overunder station platform design this has never be done before in United States let alone Bart so put up with it don't complain about it there's nothing you can do it's out of people's control and whining about it it's not gonna help
there are "automatic lifter" that one can install at the staircase for wheelchair people (it is slower than the elevator of course), so this is not really an issue.
They complain about 86ft? thats nothing. to get to the subway i have to walk 5 city blocks. not to mention getting down all this "tiresome" steps. thats WAY more than 86ft for me. and i walk with a fricking cane!!!
They have to. There's geologic standards that contractors have to follow to withstand a big earthquake. We don't know how big the next earthquake will be nor when it will take place, but the important thing to think about when it comes to construction is the structural integrity of the stations.
@@zanemarte9877 True if people don't get barricade all that concrete in which that is going to happen and fires and being crush. Safety is very important.
wow... whining about that??! be GRATEFUL you're even getting a BART station! dang. smh. And, like they pointed out- we been doing that in SF for decades no prob. deal with it, "Silicon Valley."
They need to add air trees water and creek and water authority trails and bike trails. Its not difficult if you know how to build more than walls and doorways.
Let’s hope to gosh it’s able to shake rattle and roll when the big one comes... 2028?!? 2030?!? What will the world even be like then?! Will a world even still exist? Will we even still exist??? Yikes!
I guess you can thank trump for those bonds budgets that stretched twenty years so our country can build and grow without debt and loans and infighting and organized crime.
Wow...85ft, God forbid you have to use your legs and take 50 steps. Outrageous! And this is how progress gets impeded.
86 feet ….People are complaining about 86 feet ? …..Relative to other transit systems in the US ,this station isn’t that deep , on the east coast it’s not uncommon to have underground rail stations that are almost 200 ft underground , that said ,the problem here isn’t the depth of the station , it’s the efficiency of the methods used to transport people from street level to platform level
yup. Forest Glen Station is so deep you need to take an high speed elevator to get to the platforms.
@@kevinhoward9593 Ik …it never ceases to amaze me
80 feet isnt bad. Tokyo have OOEDO LINE, deepest train stations around Tokyo. its not one station, all stations are deep underground. need to go down 3 floors to the platform. but in case of mega earthquakes, it supposed to function and protect people, and use as shelter. another good example id metro in Moscow, Russia.
This is America. We die of heart failure. As in our heart dies of too much cholesterol.
The Washington Metro has Forest Glen station, located at 196 feet (60 meters) below the surface
and 150+ feet is pretty much a NORM in Moscow & St. Petersburg, especially in central districts
Complain, whine, gripe...American past time of the purposeless.
86 feet isnt deep at all. There are stations in NY and London that go down 150 feet
any metro station in the former soviet union average 200 ft deep
It's not deep. It's pretty common in Asia that subway platforms are several stories down from the ground level.
Not to mention that in Portland, there’s a light-rail station that is approx. 250 ft underground. So 80 is nothing
Only 50 steps? Some people are way too lazy and will make up any excuse to cancel something even mildly disruptive or different from what they are used to.
Peachtree Center MARTA station in Atlanta is 120 feet down. It's also one of the busiest stations in town. San Jose will be just fine.
You are going too deep!
That is what she said.
🤣🤣🤣
In this case, it's more like "that's what he said" 😂
The real story here is they could have bored 2 standard smaller tunnels side-by-side that would have been less deep and more convenient for everyone ...but a few small businesses complained because that would have required more digging and temporary street closures.
They complained they didn’t want cut and cover to disrupt the street above.. so BART & VTA comes up with a single bore tunnel that has to be extremely deep… still complaining 😂 Make up y’all mines. Honestly, they should just do the cut and cover and have different crews working 24/7 to speed up the construction. Use the extra money to pay for all the businesses that will loose money during the construction.
True as the same with L.A. Metro that got 1 billion to speed up the work so that they can have the Olympics. As they same for Bart so that it doesn't go into 2034 for the opening date of service. Just like what happened to the Berryessa and North San Jose line that should have open 2017 but no it open in 2020. Bart should get billions to speed up the work as well of extending further into South San Jose area to for that extra. But no telling how that's going to be in the future.
You still have to cut and cover where the stations are located regardless. As an NHL fan, I have major concerns about Diridon station because it's right next to SAP Center and it's connected to the rest of Diridon (aka the Grand Central of the West). Honestly, I like the idea of BART going through Downtown San Jose for SJSU students to commute by BART like UC Berkley students do now, gives NHL fans (mainly from Oakland, East Bay suburban cities, and Contra Costa County) the option to travel to SAP Center by BART instead of driving the nearly gridlocked freeways.
@@zanemarte9877 The entire route under Downtown San Jose should of remained cut & cover. Businesses and certain groups complained about the construction disrupting daily lives for years. Soo VTA & BART came up with this single bore tunnel to not disturb the streets above, but it came as a cost of smaller platforms and a deeper tunnel. Now other people and groups are complaining the tunnel too deep????? If isn’t one thing, it’s another🤦🏾♂️
@@IGtyi39AL78F56 As much as I like to have BART that far south or even connect to light rail in Winchester, it's not going to happen because capacity can only go so far up, and even with the idea of BART having the ultimate goal of over 1,000 cars to a total of 100 trains with 10 cars the system won't have the capacity to handle all those people.
@@zanemarte9877 San Jose Area isn't that big anyways like L.A. Area is as of L.A. Metro. They talk about having go to Gilroy and Monterey Area way later on as of they will probably go locomotive trains like EBart did of a cheaper capacity.
You guys wanted the single bore so santa clara wouldn't be torn up. This is what you guys chose and honestly 80 feet isn't as deep as the central subway at powell street in SF. Stop complaining 🙄.
Construction for the new BART station will be finished between 2028-2030.
China could finish this station in 2 months and 100x cheaper.
That's because in china they don't pay good wages and have no environmental standards and much less safety standards for construction workers.
And it would cave in a week later. No, thank you! It needs to be built right once and last centuries!
If people do research , they will know some stations in Metro DC have same elevations.
And ones way deeper, up to 196 feet below the surface
In russia stations run up to 250-300 feet deep, in Washington dc theres stations that range up to 150 feet deep, in london all the deep level tube lines average 60-80 feet and some only have stairs and elevators so these ppl literally sound lazy, the chances that all elevators and escalators stop working at once is so low so wtf they sound rediculous
In DC it’s up to 196
They should make like the downtown Oakland stations for it to be much safer when earthquakes happens and malfunction happens and better evacuation plans.
Downtown Oakland isn't safe because of the potential for earthquakes...it's because of other humans.
The escalators, elevators will be filled with human feces, needles and whatever else drug is available. Also, great place for drug addicts to sleep on those long train rides.
The new homeless housing looks amazing!!
Those upper steps will go quick!
The problem with this station is that after 10+ years of claiming they'll make it, it still doesn't exist.
Doubtful that would be the case. The Google development is moving forward and another thing too the stations have connections to San Jose State University which would give students another option for commute to the main campus, the rest of Diridon station, SAP Center (home of NHL's San Jose Sharks), ACE, Caltrain, and Amtrak.
I mean they can also install those automatic stairs as well I dont see whats the problem is to be honest!
Clearly they've never ridden the washington metro that has stations twice as deep than this lol.
Most people are familiar with escalators at the malls. Those are slower than the escalators at BART stations.
@William Hummel lol agreed!! Those escalators spell death if you attempt to slide down that rail 😂😂!! Imagine days where the entire station has no escalators running.
@@CDReimer Agreed. They could totally make that work for a puny 86 feet.
If you ride on Bart ,the Majority of the time the escalators are broken down for days .. Not only does it takes days and weeks to repair them in my 45 yrs of riding Bart I’ve never seen all running escalators at any station good luck 👍🏻
The new LIRR stations (8 tracks) under Grand Central Station NYC, are an average 140' below grade. Because there are two different platform levels, this distance varies. What's wrong with you people, have you not heard of escalators and elevators?
only 85 feet, thats nothing
Maybe fix other issues in San Jose first rather than building a underground Bart station
But its going to turn into new homeless housing!!!
It's not VTA or Bart's job nor the FTA's job to "fix issues in San Jose". It's San Jose's JOB to fix it's own problems, NOT transit.
@@TheLIRRFrenchie... I never said VTA or Bart
@@da9856 well you're complaining about something off-topic on a video about VTA/Bart. So any gripes about what San Jose needs to fix can be directed to San Jose's virtual city hall meetings during public commenting and NOT on a video about VTA/Bart because as i said, IT'S NOT THEIR JOB!!!
@@TheLIRRFrenchie... who said I was complaining?!?!, I simply put MY opinion on this video
First off why isn’t this a dual bore system with cut and cover stations. Like every other modern system in this country and the rest of Bart’s underground tracks.
If they think that’s deep, wait until they go to Forest Glen station and Wheaton station here on the DC metro Red Line. Forest Glen is 196 ft deep, and it only has high speed elevators. And Wheaton is 145 and contains the longest set of escalators in the Western Hemisphere. They go straight from the surface to the mezzanine. So stop complaining about 86 ft.
80 Feet?!?!? Haha... that's light for most of the Red Line in DC
Y'all want it safely built underground or nah?
"Greater Good?!" "I am your Greater Good" - Incredibles... lol 🤣
It's all good until the escalators start breaking down.
Job security.
Those people who are turned off by the depth should see Muni's new Union Square Station or Atlanta's MARTA Peachtree Station..
Rosslyn station on DC Metro is 103 ft below street level. It’s not a big deal. Commuters adapt. They’ve done it for 45 years…even if there’s an escalator/elevator outage.
Wow offended by escalators, that’s a new achievement
Good point. I've been riding BART for decades and can never remember an escalator being broken ...then again people tell me I don't have a very good memory 😂
Good for San Jose! They deserve the connection.
Maybe it can make the fare evaders to reconsider doing their stuff with a 85 feet deep underground station.
Some not all stations
These folks would hate Atlanta's 120-foot-deep Peachtree Center station...
meanwhile Russia and Ukraine are combined for over 100 stations 150 feet underground or deeper...
Um, once you get on this train in SJ how many days will it take you to get to SF? And, given that this train stops in that sh*thole of a city called Oakland, how many people will actually make it to SF alive?
The green line goes from North San Jose to Daly City. If you're on the orange line instead, the transfer station (blue, green and orange lines) is Bay View in San Leandro. The last time I took BART, it was 45 minutes to get from Fremont to San Francisco in January 2020. Bring ear plugs. BART trains are LOUD.
@@CDReimer I suggest you review a BART map. The Green line does not go “directly” to Daly City. It makes multiple stops along the way, including Oakland. Hence, my tongue-in-cheek posting.
@@kennethtennysfan6101 he obviously meant that as the last stop.
@@TheLIRRFrenchie... Sorry, but I am correct. The green line does not go “directly “ to DC. It makes multiple stops along the way. “Directly” implies zero stops. And, have you ever taken BART from SJ to SF? It takes forever.
Why don’t you just leave ca if you hate it so much. So hateful.
stop complaining people.
Grandma
It will turn into a homeless shelter in no time.
There are some things you gonna have to put up with because Bart is doing something that they've never done before with the approval of boring machines and a overunder station platform design this has never be done before in United States let alone Bart so put up with it don't complain about it there's nothing you can do it's out of people's control and whining about it it's not gonna help
Wilshire/Vermont Station in LA is 152 feet lol ridiculous
Whoever thinks this is too deep or not necessarily needed you are on drugs or just move down south. I love the idea! also a great work out 👍🏻
Ever been to Mexico City?
there are "automatic lifter" that one can install at the staircase for wheelchair people (it is slower than the elevator of course), so this is not really an issue.
Have you ever used BART? The escalators, elevators & 'lifters' are broken 50% of the time.
They complain about 86ft? thats nothing. to get to the subway i have to walk 5 city blocks. not to mention getting down all this "tiresome" steps. thats WAY more than 86ft for me. and i walk with a fricking cane!!!
The greater good! But, that's way too not deep enough. Should double it.
Lmfaoo the fact they put Twitter roast and said them 😭😭😂
i can't wait
Build it in the earth's mantle.
By the time the station opens, teleportation will be standard so 86' won't even be an issue! Enjoy your trip to the center of the earth! 🤣
Gotta do Exercise 😂
Forest Hill Station or the new Chinatown station are better examples of deep stations and are fine
It can handle the next big quake, right?
Nope.
They have to. There's geologic standards that contractors have to follow to withstand a big earthquake. We don't know how big the next earthquake will be nor when it will take place, but the important thing to think about when it comes to construction is the structural integrity of the stations.
@@zanemarte9877 True if people don't get barricade all that concrete in which that is going to happen and fires and being crush. Safety is very important.
wow... whining about that??! be GRATEFUL you're even getting a BART station! dang. smh. And, like they pointed out- we been doing that in SF for decades no prob. deal with it, "Silicon Valley."
Easily 10 year project
Oh yeah leave some open architecture to the sky and sunlight not just walls and closed structure.
If they strike oil, that would pay for the project...
Yeah right!
Conflict of interest? mayor liccardo owns the properties near by?
People need to lose weight anyway
Who cares what they say on social media 😅
Russia does it deeper.
They need to add air trees water and creek and water authority trails and bike trails. Its not difficult if you know how to build more than walls and doorways.
It will be a great bomb shelter ..and the rest of the time it will be homeless shelter 😁
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Critics: Downtown San Jose BART Station Is Too Deep
Me: That's what she said
First world problems.
Dang they are about to steal more land from more small business owners..
No save the flea market........
Let’s hope to gosh it’s able to shake rattle and roll when the big one comes... 2028?!? 2030?!? What will the world even be like then?! Will a world even still exist? Will we even still exist??? Yikes!
What a pretty safe injection site
I guess you can thank trump for those bonds budgets that stretched twenty years so our country can build and grow without debt and loans and infighting and organized crime.