My first pinball machine I bought 1978 from a gentleman in Gothenburg, Sweden. He was a retired circus worker who set up machines during travel around to different city's and 1978 started selling out the whole inventory, picked up 6-7 old Williams pinball machines, some working and others not so much...but learned after awhile how to fix, read schematics, clean contacts & more. Lived in a apartment on third floor..no elevator..yes taking the glass top off and legs at the parking spot and carry each one up the steps with help of friends each time I bought one. Of course my neighbors was not impressed after awhile... complained to the management. I never forget the letter they sent by mail. "Your neighbors tells us you have pinball machines inside the apartment, is that correct ? ? ? " He He.... I moved pretty soon after that to a big old house instead. Where one room become a pinball machine heaven, all the noisy bells was turned on, great fun on the weekends with friends drinking beer and playing these Williams Joe. Good memories !
When I was really young, my great uncle had a Bally 1976 "Freedom" 4-player machine which I was obsessed with. Over the years it ran into problems, and I was handed the schematic. He had whatever tools I needed and we went and grabbed fuses or Eiko bulbs when necessary. When I was about 14, I saw a seemingly broken EM in an antique store being sold for $500 (Gottlieb 1974 "Sky Jump" 1-player wedgehead and I just wanted an EM pinball machine for the sake of having one). Haggled with the shop worker a little bit and got it down to $400. Over my high school years I added all-new rubber, new flipper coils, replaced Eiko bulbs and fuses as needed, bumper switches bent to be a little more "sensitive", table waxed, and replaced the replay count coil. The 7-target bank had zero issues surprisingly. I probably threw down less than $100 in parts. Now I'm 25. Had some rough patches in young adulthood (screw it, I'm still pretty young), started working in software/IT, and now I have enough space to take that Sky Jump with me. If you spend enough time staring at a schematic with the lockbar removed and table lifted, you just might learn something.
My Dad was an appliance repair tech for 40 years. Way back in the day they used an automotive points file to clean all the contacts. It was 5 or 6 thousands of an inch and mildly abrasive on both sides, just hold in the actuator and make a couple strokes. Took half the time to do a switch.
@@LyonsArcade Not sure if you ever mentioned it before in your earlier videos, but did you go to school for all this or did you learn as you went? I wish I would've stuck with electronics in high school, but I was off messing around lol! Cool to learn here with your videos brother.
In answer to your question in the title, *Hell yeah, you can get it working again!* I'm always very impressed as to how much engineering goes into these older games, where modern pinballs have the majority done by a few chips, possibly a computer, but the ingenuity in these original units is pretty mind-blowing. Oh, and I had to look up _Mud Dauber_ after you mentioned them twice 🤣
I would really love it if you could film the actual restoration part of the stepper motor builds and other things. even if it's just a timelapse on a tripod.
@@LyonsArcade eh maybe not all of them but yeah some more details of the actual techniques... i was looking at the later videos and it seems like you are doing more of it. i know it's a lot more work but one of the best channels out there is this old tony if you want to get a little inspiration. in any event i appreciate what you have been posting quite a bit!
Yeah it's really genius hardware, and it does lots of little tricks in the way the rules work if you think about it, like on this one, one thing happens after you get the 5 roll overs... and then the next time you get them, soemthing completely different happens. I'ts 'thinking' but they did it all with switches and 1 motor.
Score cams seem easier to work on than my Gottlieb score motor with 4 stacks of switches around the cams. All those layers of switches are rather intimidating!
The Lock relay is put in so that a player that has a good game going doesn't unplug the game and try to finish it later. Remember these games were and are made to provide some one a living. A game that is unplugged earns nothing!!!
u can find small stick sandpaper use to clean rough off nails n can use it clean pin at 18:54 easy i hope this help ya out it just same size business card or credit card size soo thin
Pat Hand :1 : a hand in draw poker on which one stands pat. 2 : a dealt hand in draw poker (as a straight, flush, or full house) that usually cannot be materially improved by drawing one or two cards.
Looking forward to number 2. If I lived nearby I would be changing tables every 2 or 3 years. Unless I got a 70s star trek I suppose. Funny enough I really like my old Gottlieb Funland, even more than my Big brave. Used my Big Brave schematic for the first time, bonus light went out, traced it back to a soldered wire broken loose on the double point relay. Would have taken much longer than a few minutes to find without the schematic. So your instructions and tips have helped me a lot.
@@LyonsArcade Mines a bit beat up...a player machine. The thing I like is the random nature of spotting the numbers and chasing the special around the playfield as it moves. I don't have a schematic for it, but I think I've mostly figured out how it does it. Apart from why sometimes you can spot a special with the spinner and at other times the centre spinner special light goes out and you have to get the special on a target, or rollover?
Good question! They are special blinker bulbs, the filament is kind of a spring so when the filament heats up, it moves slightly which pops it away from it's contact and disconnects it, which turns it off. It then cools down, and the spring snaps it back to it's original position... which connects the filament to voltage again and it turns back on.... but begins heating up again too :) They will blink in anything that applies voltage to it. Bulb #455.
That's a good point, I never thought about that... the club is kind of suggested on the playfield, if you look at the art in the center it's shaped like 1 big club with 4 circles...
My friend used to have a Pat Hand not sure if he still does. He doe's not keep pins for very long he always is getting them in playing them a little then selling them for another pin.
I have 2 of these Pat Hands and both aren't working how they supposed to and couldn't make heads or tales out of the schematics. But after watching this video I see a spark in the darkness.....So if I understand correct the schematics are in the power off state of the pinpall. Then the schematics state the switches are normally open or closed. If I'm correct on this, this could make me a step closer to finally understand how my pinballs works. Hope you (or anyone else) is willing to answer this response.
Yes, the schematics are how they are if the power is off. It shows you how each switch would be in that position (normally open, or normally closed).... then when you turn the power on, if you look you can see by looking at the schematic what that would turn on. You can see if you press the credit button what that would send power to.... etc. If you watch any of our videos on Williams pinball machines and watch what we do to go through one, you can fix yours, I guarantee it. Thanks for watching Ronald, my name is Ronald too! If you need anything email us.
@@LyonsArcade Hi Ronald. Thank you for your reply and for your help. It all makes (reasonable) sense now. I managed to get it going again after 3 years !!. 1 contact didn't make contact and therefore it wouldn't start. The only thing now is I can't select 4 players through the credit button but if I throw in a coin it will select the 4th player. And the second thing is I want to find out is ... I want it to up the credits when a coin is put in instead of starting the game. But I think I need a new door for this, because mine has been tempered with by the previous owner.
Ahhhh, I didn't know that :) I'm going to do a video about something Yuge and Masonic here in Rock Hill one of these days I just haven't gotten around to filming it yet...
Yes Contact Cleaner or WD40 would be fine for cleaning it up... you have to be careful though that you remove all of the WD40 because it's flammable, so if you specifically use that on anything you have to get it all off or the contacts will arc and sometimes they will catch the bakelite board on fire. I run into burnt stepper boards on every couple machines I do....
The business card (or dollar bill) trick for cleaning switches is best for gold plated contacts for low voltage switches as found on solid state games. The tungsten switches are fine to sand or file
Thanks for showing the un-glassing of the play field. I was the one who asked. Can't get enough of these pinball restoration videos!
Oh cool Michael glad you saw it! Little stuff like that a lot of times people forget to show...
@@LyonsArcade The king lives!!! th-cam.com/video/K9NhVvAvY1A/w-d-xo.html
My first pinball machine I bought 1978 from a gentleman in Gothenburg, Sweden.
He was a retired circus worker who set up machines during travel around to different city's and 1978 started selling out the whole inventory, picked up 6-7 old Williams pinball machines, some working and others not so much...but learned after awhile how to fix, read schematics, clean contacts & more. Lived in a apartment on third floor..no elevator..yes taking the glass top off and legs at the parking spot and carry each one up the steps with help of friends each time I bought one. Of course my neighbors was not impressed after awhile... complained to the management.
I never forget the letter they sent by mail. "Your neighbors tells us you have pinball machines inside the apartment, is that correct ? ? ? " He He.... I moved pretty soon after that to a big old house instead. Where one room become a pinball machine heaven, all the noisy bells was turned on, great fun on the weekends with friends drinking beer and playing these Williams Joe. Good memories !
Wow that sounds like heaven! You folks were really living it up :) You should have saved that note, that's pretty epic, LOL
@@LyonsArcade Thanks, it was fun times Joe. Apartment complex was happy when I moved out.. (and neighbors too) :)
Beautiful looking back glass and lights!
Yes it's very good looking, Christian Marche did the artwork!
When I was really young, my great uncle had a Bally 1976 "Freedom" 4-player machine which I was obsessed with. Over the years it ran into problems, and I was handed the schematic. He had whatever tools I needed and we went and grabbed fuses or Eiko bulbs when necessary.
When I was about 14, I saw a seemingly broken EM in an antique store being sold for $500 (Gottlieb 1974 "Sky Jump" 1-player wedgehead and I just wanted an EM pinball machine for the sake of having one). Haggled with the shop worker a little bit and got it down to $400. Over my high school years I added all-new rubber, new flipper coils, replaced Eiko bulbs and fuses as needed, bumper switches bent to be a little more "sensitive", table waxed, and replaced the replay count coil. The 7-target bank had zero issues surprisingly. I probably threw down less than $100 in parts.
Now I'm 25. Had some rough patches in young adulthood (screw it, I'm still pretty young), started working in software/IT, and now I have enough space to take that Sky Jump with me. If you spend enough time staring at a schematic with the lockbar removed and table lifted, you just might learn something.
It's all there in the schematics if you look at it long enough, I agree :) Thanks for watching BadDoomGuy!
Deal with it people! 🤣🤣🤣
They really should learn to Deal With It
@@LyonsArcade 🤣🤣 lmao!
@@LyonsArcade - Considering what's going on right now... that would work pretty well on a T-shirt.
Those flashing lights are cool looking
Yeah I like them! There may be too many though :)
Spades and hearts are the major suits
Very fun and informative!!
Thanks Bob glad you enjoyed it!
GREAT VIDEO..i am loving this!!!! great detail on switches!!!! :)
Thanks Elvis!
Never tire of seeing Minges Printing Company note pads lol. He'd do a roaring trade selling them on UK ebay :)
I'm trying to figure out how to tell him....
@@LyonsArcade oh in that case it might be better not to lol
My Dad was an appliance repair tech for 40 years. Way back in the day they used an automotive points file to clean all the contacts. It was 5 or 6 thousands of an inch and mildly abrasive on both sides, just hold in the actuator and make a couple strokes. Took half the time to do a switch.
I'm gonna have to track some of those down, thanks!
@@LyonsArcade Pss.. you can find one at Napa (point-file)
Another EM repair! You just keep on making my day!
Glad you found it :)
Great way to start off this Monday!
Here we go!
@@LyonsArcade Not sure if you ever mentioned it before in your earlier videos, but did you go to school for all this or did you learn as you went?
I wish I would've stuck with electronics in high school, but I was off messing around lol!
Cool to learn here with your videos brother.
Awesome start, and a good explanation of the process of adjustment of switches. Looking forward to following this one....again.
Thanks Pez, we appreciate you hanging out with us!
I must have missed it ? Where is the chime box ? Gotta love those EM'S.
You're getting ahead of us :)
I’ve watched a lot of your EM repair videos and this was even the best of them. Nicely done. Watching the play field one now. 👍
In answer to your question in the title, *Hell yeah, you can get it working again!*
I'm always very impressed as to how much engineering goes into these older games, where modern pinballs have the majority done by a few chips, possibly a computer, but the ingenuity in these original units is pretty mind-blowing.
Oh, and I had to look up _Mud Dauber_ after you mentioned them twice 🤣
You gotta look out for those suckers!
People think EM's are magic, they really are more straight forward than solid state in my opinion.
Great video as always man!
Yeah once you 'get them' they are so simple and logical....
@@LyonsArcade Simple and logical if that's how your brain ticks.
As always man appreciate the time you take with videos and responses.
I would really love it if you could film the actual restoration part of the stepper motor builds and other things. even if it's just a timelapse on a tripod.
You want to see me sanding the points?
@@LyonsArcade eh maybe not all of them but yeah some more details of the actual techniques... i was looking at the later videos and it seems like you are doing more of it. i know it's a lot more work but one of the best channels out there is this old tony if you want to get a little inspiration. in any event i appreciate what you have been posting quite a bit!
Amazing how they made these. So many wires and moving parts.
Yeah it's really genius hardware, and it does lots of little tricks in the way the rules work if you think about it, like on this one, one thing happens after you get the 5 roll overs... and then the next time you get them, soemthing completely different happens. I'ts 'thinking' but they did it all with switches and 1 motor.
This comes from the electro-mechanical _dark ages_
Cool playfield and artwork. Should be a "go-er".
Cheers,
It's a fun game, we're getting there!
Score cams seem easier to work on than my Gottlieb score motor with 4 stacks of switches around the cams. All those layers of switches are rather intimidating!
this was the last design Williams did, so they had it about figured out by then :)
"Pat hands are a straight, full house, flush, four of a kind" she has a flush... I was curious!
Thanks Mike!
Of course you can! According to IPDB they made 6500 units of this machine.
Thanks Matthias you always give us confidence :)
William's "Satin Doll" had a similar playfield layout.
I want to get one of those in too
The Lock relay is put in so that a player that has a good game going doesn't unplug the game and try to finish it later. Remember these games were and are made to provide some one a living. A game that is unplugged earns nothing!!!
That makes sense, I didn't realize good players wanted to do that but I wouldn't know because I've never had a good game, HAHA
Copulation affirmative!
(F#*k yeah)
(I love this pinball machine. Get the top rollovers lit and then use the top left flipper to make lots of loops)
Yeah it seems like the whole game is really that top left flipper!
u can find small stick sandpaper use to clean rough off nails n can use it clean pin at 18:54 easy i hope this help ya out it just same size business card or credit card size soo thin
I'll have to find some of those, thanks K Z !
@@LyonsArcade ur welcome
Pat Hand :1 : a hand in draw poker on which one stands pat. 2 : a dealt hand in draw poker (as a straight, flush, or full house) that usually cannot be materially improved by drawing one or two cards.
Looking forward to number 2. If I lived nearby I would be changing tables every 2 or 3 years. Unless I got a 70s star trek I suppose. Funny enough I really like my old Gottlieb Funland, even more than my Big brave. Used my Big Brave schematic for the first time, bonus light went out, traced it back to a soldered wire broken loose on the double point relay. Would have taken much longer than a few minutes to find without the schematic. So your instructions and tips have helped me a lot.
Very cool Dave, that Funland is a great game, those wedgeheads are very cool, I like the artwork too. We worked on one for a guy many years ago!
@@LyonsArcade Mines a bit beat up...a player machine. The thing I like is the random nature of spotting the numbers and chasing the special around the playfield as it moves. I don't have a schematic for it, but I think I've mostly figured out how it does it. Apart from why sometimes you can spot a special with the spinner and at other times the centre spinner special light goes out and you have to get the special on a target, or rollover?
Odd looking machine, super interesting !...cheers.
It's got that weird 70's vibe! Like a Velvet Elvis!
@@LyonsArcade Hahaha!
How about a tour of potential repairs so folks could commission a repair that they want to buy!
Was wondering when you would attack a crazy EM pinball. Think I spent more time on my Aztec pin than any. Nice work
We've done a few of them! Thanks for watching TheDad!
I'm just going to have to find and old pin and fix'er up now.
You can do it!
Take your time and you'll get it! There are a couple in depth e.m. guides online.
1 goes very in depth on what to do prior to even plugging it in.
Great video! How are those lights blinking without relays in this mechanical machine??
Transistors, tubes, bimetals??
Good question! They are special blinker bulbs, the filament is kind of a spring so when the filament heats up, it moves slightly which pops it away from it's contact and disconnects it, which turns it off. It then cools down, and the spring snaps it back to it's original position... which connects the filament to voltage again and it turns back on.... but begins heating up again too :) They will blink in anything that applies voltage to it. Bulb #455.
Only spades and hearts: they could be playing a separated-only-by-color card-game ... EG: _Spider_ can be played this way.
That's a good point, I never thought about that... the club is kind of suggested on the playfield, if you look at the art in the center it's shaped like 1 big club with 4 circles...
Pat hands in draw poker are those hands that are unlikely to be improved upon by drawing cards.
There you go, that makes sense, thank you!
My friend used to have a Pat Hand not sure if he still does.
He doe's not keep pins for very long he always is getting them in playing them a little then selling them for another pin.
Japanese and cards theme makes me think hanafuda.
And hanafuda makes me think Nintendo :)
I have 2 of these Pat Hands and both aren't working how they supposed to and couldn't make heads or tales out of the schematics. But after watching this video I see a spark in the darkness.....So if I understand correct the schematics are in the power off state of the pinpall. Then the schematics state the switches are normally open or closed. If I'm correct on this, this could make me a step closer to finally understand how my pinballs works. Hope you (or anyone else) is willing to answer this response.
Yes, the schematics are how they are if the power is off. It shows you how each switch would be in that position (normally open, or normally closed).... then when you turn the power on, if you look you can see by looking at the schematic what that would turn on. You can see if you press the credit button what that would send power to.... etc.
If you watch any of our videos on Williams pinball machines and watch what we do to go through one, you can fix yours, I guarantee it. Thanks for watching Ronald, my name is Ronald too! If you need anything email us.
@@LyonsArcade Hi Ronald. Thank you for your reply and for your help. It all makes (reasonable) sense now. I managed to get it going again after 3 years !!. 1 contact didn't make contact and therefore it wouldn't start. The only thing now is I can't select 4 players through the credit button but if I throw in a coin it will select the 4th player. And the second thing is I want to find out is ... I want it to up the credits when a coin is put in instead of starting the game. But I think I need a new door for this, because mine has been tempered with by the previous owner.
i would leave this in all original condition!! just fix it ..and polish up the playfield!!! DECENT original!!!
It's pretty nice!
Older gentleman? He's probably younger than me! 😜
hahaha you're young at heart!
looks like its gonna be another cool series, thanx Ron. Question - Do you ever get Amiga CD32 stuff into the shop? Let me know im always buying.
Unfortunately I've never had any Amiga stuff in!
The CD32 stuff is pretty rare in the states but worth a shot, no harm in asking,
That hand gesture she is doing with the left hand is called the Marrano hand. It goes back centuries in art and is supposedly Masonic.
Ahhhh, I didn't know that :) I'm going to do a video about something Yuge and Masonic here in Rock Hill one of these days I just haven't gotten around to filming it yet...
@@LyonsArcade You can teach us the secret handshakes Ron 😏
Do you ever use contact cleaner or even wd40 for badly corroded stuff? Or should the "filing" be enough?
Yes Contact Cleaner or WD40 would be fine for cleaning it up... you have to be careful though that you remove all of the WD40 because it's flammable, so if you specifically use that on anything you have to get it all off or the contacts will arc and sometimes they will catch the bakelite board on fire. I run into burnt stepper boards on every couple machines I do....
I tried going to Donny's channel and it said it's private
We were playing around earlier and uploaded a video that was only live for 30 minutes :)
The business card (or dollar bill) trick for cleaning switches is best for gold plated contacts for low voltage switches as found on solid state games. The tungsten switches are fine to sand or file
That's good to know, thanks Ray!