The number one most important thing that's overlooked about set-pieces is training. Typically I am always training Delivery and Set Piece Defending on the last two days before matchday. The bonus you get is quite noticeable and very time efficient.
my first problem with Set Pieces is that I rotate my team all the time... there should be an automatic option to always put the taller/"jumppier" players inside the area... :p
But that's exactly how it works in real life too, teams dont rehearse set pieces for every possible line-up. Most teams send central defenders forward on attacking corners & task full-backs with throw-ins, evaluating team shape over individual skill. Regarding free-kick takers, I've found that the AI usualy picks the right man if you leave it to it. An informative and entertaining video, as always! More of the same, please!
You just helped me win a title, I watched your video literally before the last match of the season which I had to win and put in your 1 threat routine and scored two goals of it, the second one was the 2-1 in the 89th minute. Thanks a lot!
Near post corners to a player with good heading and jumping are seriously OP. When I have my striker going through one on one with the keeper, I genuinely get more excited at the prospect of scoring from the resulting corner than I do from the intricate play that’s created the chance in the first instance. Sort it out, SI!
Just have to say that this video has changed my life! My FM life that is. Before this is didn’t score much from corners and conceded a lot. Now I score a few goals from corners using a player on the near post and now don’t concede so many at dead ball situations. With a tweak in my tactic (help from another video) I’ve now won the Dutch title in early March with 27 wins and 1 draw. So many thanks.
David it’s was a tactics video. Before it I changed my entire tactic to defend more and kept losing. So decided not to do that and stick with my tactic but move my AM to AP in midfield. I went unbeaten in the league with it.
David I still play 4-2-3-1 but used to change to a 4-1-2-2-1 (drop AM to DM) against any team I didn’t think I was better than. And only playing positive. Now it’s attacking and if I find a decent team I drop my AM to AP and play 4-3-2-1. The video was by Zealand
You're an awesome man. You don't do to much comics but enough and you're interesting listen to. And you speak clearly so it is easy to understand. Thank you for your good work! #keepitup
Meanwhile the AI will have an out of form, declining player, with 7 agility, performing 3 scissor kick goal line clearances in a cup final as if he were the Goddamn spirit child of Bruce Lee and Anderson Silva.
I accidently had my GK as third thwor-in choice on right side. One game I was "hmm that name isn't that my goakeeper?", and we scored from that thro-in so he was promoted to first thro-in taker rest of the season, leaves more boddies up front, more boddies higher chance to score, flawless.
Ngl I have tried loads of different set piece tactics and in my experience its far more important how good your players are in the air. As long as you roughly have the big guys in the right areas it doesn't make a huge difference. Except I like having a player up the field because you get so many counters.
In my short corner routine (at least the ones that are add-on highlights rather than the start of the highlight) around half the time the taker passes short the team mate passes back to the taker who is off side. They never seem to learn from it.
The majority of the goals I score are free kick / corner headers. When defending against those sweaty set piece goals, I put Håland near post. Have a man mountain who can head it away. Leave your rapid AML or AMR upfront to counter attack.
If you keep one player ahead to counterattack, the AI would put two defenders to mark him. I always do this to have more men than the opposition in my own penalty area. It's a good way to take two good players with good heading away from your goal as well.
If you want the pulling defender away effect to be alot more effective, try finding a player with 'Winds opponents up' Player trait (can't be coached only mentored sadly) Winding them up will make the defender more prone to aggression mistakes (several times a defender has just red card lunged in on my coming-short player 😂) Even if you don't play it short, the defender that you pulled will be temporarily 'Frustrated' by your jackass
IMO set pieces are the icing on the cake - at least the offensive one's. If you're constantly conceding goals and/or losing games because of a certain set piece (corners f.e.) go and try to fix it in your set piece routine(s). Sure, scoring goals obviously due to whatever you did in set pieces is super nice and gives you that "I'm a great manager" feeling but it's more often than not not the reason why you won a game. Also training good set piece takers is such a PITA - a player either got it or hasn't, don't bother much with anything else. Now some tipps regarding set pieces that Zealand might have already covered - just take it as an emphasis then. - Have your best (means strong, good jumping reach/tall) headers covering the 6-yard box for defense, good heading striker or tallest player (not covering the 6y box) on man mark tall player - The more you're afraid of conceding/losing due to set pieces, the more players you assemble in your penalty area - feeling comfortable, have your best vision & passing player covering the edge of the box, and a fast dribbler staying forward (you can go + on players staying forward) - Covering the far post is 9/10 not needed... and that one time you concede a goal on your far past you'll still feel dumb, but who cares. I'd rather have that one additional player doing stuff other than standing around - EVERYTIME YOU CHANGE YOUR FORMATION YOUR SET PIECES ARE F'ed UP! So don't forget to check and fix them if needed. This might not happen if you always load existing tactics (then any set piece routines should come along) but I don't do that, so...yeah... ;-) - For attacking corners I like to have my best header on the near post, a strong good header (mostly a striker) running into the box, and another good header on the far post - When playing it short on corners have your worst(! - means "not needed for anything else") player taking the corner - If you want to go more into opposition analysis: short corners or taking long shots (if you have a decent player) when your opposition beats you in regards to height and heading - Also every sub can screw up your set pieces, so check it if you care about it, if not, don't bother - I always have my FB/WB taking throw ins on their respective side, even if they are terrible at it. Don't play with FB/WB, take whoever is farthest back playing on that side. You can score through direct long throw ins but it's very rare so I wouldn't go for that option on a regular basis
Thank you, really enjoy your vids, recently started playing fm20 - my first since 2012 and you're really helping me get to grips with the massive changes! I always liked short corners then and am trying it now but my guys are just hoofing it into the box. Any notions why this is occurring?
Statistically players on the post concede more goals than not marking post, at least in FM18 & 19. I will play 4 across the back. Tall CB marks tall. Fullbacks man mark. DM, & CM zone mark. 1 to close down area. 1 to close down short corners, & fastest player/best dribbler up top to provide an outlet. That routinely gives me one of, if not the, best corner defenses in league. I never, in any set piece defending setup, use "stay back." Because automatic settings assume your players can read a match state. This is never wise.
One thing I would appreciate more information on is how the players familiarity vs competence vs ability vs links with other players affect their in game atributes, its difficult to tell which I should be prioritising to get the best out of my team... i started out just trying to get the fullest green circle i could but then realising its not always what the player is most comfortable with which doesnt really make sense
Literally, I think over 50% if the goals I concede are from set peices😭. It's so annoying. One time an opposition CB scored a hat trick of headers from corners😠😠😭
Biggest problem in game are not corners so much as are long Fk from them.i concede almost all goals just from long range Fk into box. I tried everything to stop it not helping
Im using FM20. In set piece takers the drag and drop player doesn't work. When ever I drag a player to take the set piece it selects my coach instead, Anyone know how to fix the drag and drop ? Thanks.
love the content and the streams! i would really benefit from a video showing how to make the most of the offseason, especially when you qualify for European football with a not so big club for the first time, might be some good content for you as well.
I don't bother with putting men on posts, ball always passes them into net. So I'd rather have them mark, and I stick tallest best header marking front 6 yard. He always attacks ball and clears it
Does anybody know why when I set my MCR to sit near post on a corner he is always drifting outside the box during the corner? He is 100% set to attack near post
No matter how much I arrange my set pieces and change positions, work on my players specifically, fix every piece of aspect. My fucking 1,91m high 15 aerial reach 15 header forward stays out of the fucking box... it’s infuriating
Not much different from corners - ball's coming from somewhere on the pitch that's not the corner. For attacking: same logic applies to free kicks as to corners (best headers, long shots, etc.) For defending: more dedicated man marking, 2-4/5ish players forming a wall (depending on how far out the FK is), fast players for counter attacks
The number one most important thing that's overlooked about set-pieces is training. Typically I am always training Delivery and Set Piece Defending on the last two days before matchday. The bonus you get is quite noticeable and very time efficient.
my first problem with Set Pieces is that I rotate my team all the time... there should be an automatic option to always put the taller/"jumppier" players inside the area... :p
But that's exactly how it works in real life too, teams dont rehearse set pieces for every possible line-up. Most teams send central defenders forward on attacking corners & task full-backs with throw-ins, evaluating team shape over individual skill.
Regarding free-kick takers, I've found that the AI usualy picks the right man if you leave it to it.
An informative and entertaining video, as always! More of the same, please!
@ph af - voce tambem eh da zoeira??? :D
Br brabo
You just helped me win a title, I watched your video literally before the last match of the season which I had to win and put in your 1 threat routine and scored two goals of it, the second one was the 2-1 in the 89th minute. Thanks a lot!
Near post corners to a player with good heading and jumping are seriously OP.
When I have my striker going through one on one with the keeper, I genuinely get more excited at the prospect of scoring from the resulting corner than I do from the intricate play that’s created the chance in the first instance.
Sort it out, SI!
Just have to say that this video has changed my life! My FM life that is. Before this is didn’t score much from corners and conceded a lot. Now I score a few goals from corners using a player on the near post and now don’t concede so many at dead ball situations. With a tweak in my tactic (help from another video) I’ve now won the Dutch title in early March with 27 wins and 1 draw. So many thanks.
What was the other video?
David it’s was a tactics video. Before it I changed my entire tactic to defend more and kept losing. So decided not to do that and stick with my tactic but move my AM to AP in midfield. I went unbeaten in the league with it.
@@Dansco195 sounds interesting. Which tactics video? What's the formation?
David I still play 4-2-3-1 but used to change to a 4-1-2-2-1 (drop AM to DM) against any team I didn’t think I was better than. And only playing positive. Now it’s attacking and if I find a decent team I drop my AM to AP and play 4-3-2-1. The video was by Zealand
I was just thinking today what to do of my set-piece and thought no worries, you'll be making a video soon!! 😂
first game i scored using your corner setup. after no goals in 82 games... insane man
@@ZealandonYT was painful to say the least
@@ZealandonYT 3 in 9 now!! Wow
You're an awesome man. You don't do to much comics but enough and you're interesting listen to. And you speak clearly so it is easy to understand. Thank you for your good work! #keepitup
I've literally never seen a player on the post stop a goal
Meanwhile the AI will have an out of form, declining player, with 7 agility, performing 3 scissor kick goal line clearances in a cup final as if he were the Goddamn spirit child of Bruce Lee and Anderson Silva.
I have seen it in every edition of FM from 13 to 20, which is coincidentally how many FMs I own.
Not set piece tweaking in game has cost me many times! Top video lad keep it up 👍
I accidently had my GK as third thwor-in choice on right side. One game I was "hmm that name isn't that my goakeeper?", and we scored from that thro-in so he was promoted to first thro-in taker rest of the season, leaves more boddies up front, more boddies higher chance to score, flawless.
LMAO. Surely you must have conceded some goals because of that though. Or maybe the game isn't smart enough to realize 😂😂😂
Ngl I have tried loads of different set piece tactics and in my experience its far more important how good your players are in the air. As long as you roughly have the big guys in the right areas it doesn't make a huge difference. Except I like having a player up the field because you get so many counters.
When managing Chelsea, my CBs Zouma and Rudiger had 6 and 5 goals from 11 and 13 appearances just from corners. Tomori and Christensen also had some.
In my short corner routine (at least the ones that are add-on highlights rather than the start of the highlight) around half the time the taker passes short the team mate passes back to the taker who is off side. They never seem to learn from it.
The majority of the goals I score are free kick / corner headers.
When defending against those sweaty set piece goals, I put Håland near post. Have a man mountain who can head it away. Leave your rapid AML or AMR upfront to counter attack.
If you keep one player ahead to counterattack, the AI would put two defenders to mark him. I always do this to have more men than the opposition in my own penalty area. It's a good way to take two good players with good heading away from your goal as well.
"It's a good way to take two good players with good heading away from your goal as well."
That's... not how it works...
Thank you for the advice that a guy should come short even if I go for a corner shot in the small box.
He pulls a defender most of the time.
If you want the pulling defender away effect to be alot more effective, try finding a player with 'Winds opponents up' Player trait (can't be coached only mentored sadly)
Winding them up will make the defender more prone to aggression mistakes (several times a defender has just red card lunged in on my coming-short player 😂) Even if you don't play it short, the defender that you pulled will be temporarily 'Frustrated' by your jackass
I use tactic i download from fmbase.
The long throw set piece really work. A few goals from it.
@MRC Haaland is incredible for long throws, I put him and one of my CBs up for them
IMO set pieces are the icing on the cake - at least the offensive one's. If you're constantly conceding goals and/or losing games because of a certain set piece (corners f.e.) go and try to fix it in your set piece routine(s). Sure, scoring goals obviously due to whatever you did in set pieces is super nice and gives you that "I'm a great manager" feeling but it's more often than not not the reason why you won a game.
Also training good set piece takers is such a PITA - a player either got it or hasn't, don't bother much with anything else.
Now some tipps regarding set pieces that Zealand might have already covered - just take it as an emphasis then.
- Have your best (means strong, good jumping reach/tall) headers covering the 6-yard box for defense, good heading striker or tallest player (not covering the 6y box) on man mark tall player
- The more you're afraid of conceding/losing due to set pieces, the more players you assemble in your penalty area - feeling comfortable, have your best vision & passing player covering the edge of the box, and a fast dribbler staying forward (you can go + on players staying forward)
- Covering the far post is 9/10 not needed... and that one time you concede a goal on your far past you'll still feel dumb, but who cares. I'd rather have that one additional player doing stuff other than standing around
- EVERYTIME YOU CHANGE YOUR FORMATION YOUR SET PIECES ARE F'ed UP! So don't forget to check and fix them if needed. This might not happen if you always load existing tactics (then any set piece routines should come along) but I don't do that, so...yeah... ;-)
- For attacking corners I like to have my best header on the near post, a strong good header (mostly a striker) running into the box, and another good header on the far post
- When playing it short on corners have your worst(! - means "not needed for anything else") player taking the corner
- If you want to go more into opposition analysis: short corners or taking long shots (if you have a decent player) when your opposition beats you in regards to height and heading
- Also every sub can screw up your set pieces, so check it if you care about it, if not, don't bother
- I always have my FB/WB taking throw ins on their respective side, even if they are terrible at it. Don't play with FB/WB, take whoever is farthest back playing on that side. You can score through direct long throw ins but it's very rare so I wouldn't go for that option on a regular basis
Welp, sleep schedule delayed for another 20 minutes! And totally worth it
Great stuff Mr. S.
Thank you, really enjoy your vids, recently started playing fm20 - my first since 2012 and you're really helping me get to grips with the massive changes! I always liked short corners then and am trying it now but my guys are just hoofing it into the box. Any notions why this is occurring?
6:42 hurt me to hear you say Carmarthen, but mad love for the channel!
Statistically players on the post concede more goals than not marking post, at least in FM18 & 19. I will play 4 across the back. Tall CB marks tall. Fullbacks man mark. DM, & CM zone mark. 1 to close down area. 1 to close down short corners, & fastest player/best dribbler up top to provide an outlet.
That routinely gives me one of, if not the, best corner defenses in league. I never, in any set piece defending setup, use "stay back." Because automatic settings assume your players can read a match state. This is never wise.
One thing I would appreciate more information on is how the players familiarity vs competence vs ability vs links with other players affect their in game atributes, its difficult to tell which I should be prioritising to get the best out of my team... i started out just trying to get the fullest green circle i could but then realising its not always what the player is most comfortable with which doesnt really make sense
Literally, I think over 50% if the goals I concede are from set peices😭. It's so annoying. One time an opposition CB scored a hat trick of headers from corners😠😠😭
@MRC 6"2, 6"3, 5"9, and I'm in league one (England)
r/thingsthatneverhappened
@@haydencrook1945 idiot, you're an idiot
Dynamic_Angrytiger28 5”9 CB? Bloody hell
Dynamic_Angrytiger28 i feel your pain
Biggest problem in game are not corners so much as are long Fk from them.i concede almost all goals just from long range Fk into box. I tried everything to stop it not helping
What do you do when you bring in substitutions and they're different enough in height or whatever to need be in a different spot for set pieces?
If my best corner kick taker has 11 at corners, should I just play it short? Also great video, very helpful, keep up the good work.
Zealand is playing corners with 10 field players and 0 corner takers. That's not how it works, which position should leave its spot for the taker?
Fm treq needs this in his save
Very intersting !!! Thanksss ! Next topic --> a shorter video on affiliated club ?
Zealand do you know any way the strikers don't score so many times being offside? My team is constantly scoring in offside.
@@ZealandonYT don't think I can do it on FM15
can i use fm19 set pieces on fm20 are they convertable in the folder?
Finally🥰
You played with Dortmund?
Im using FM20. In set piece takers the drag and drop player doesn't work. When ever I drag a player to take the set piece it selects my coach instead, Anyone know how to fix the drag and drop ? Thanks.
love the content and the streams! i would really benefit from a video showing how to make the most of the offseason, especially when you qualify for European football with a not so big club for the first time, might be some good content for you as well.
8:11 It's okay
I don't bother with putting men on posts, ball always passes them into net. So I'd rather have them mark, and I stick tallest best header marking front 6 yard. He always attacks ball and clears it
Can you do a video on how to get a son in fm20? Been trying for ages! Mastered set pieces thanks to your help
Does anybody know why when I set my MCR to sit near post on a corner he is always drifting outside the box during the corner? He is 100% set to attack near post
So training set-pieces doesn't help at all?
Where is the set piece menu?
Hey Zealand, love your vids, just a quick question.. Does this apply to FM19 as well?
I think it does. Since this vid doesn't use exploits. Look at your strong players for the roles in set pieces and put them in the correct places!
No matter how much I arrange my set pieces and change positions, work on my players specifically, fix every piece of aspect. My fucking 1,91m high 15 aerial reach 15 header forward stays out of the fucking box... it’s infuriating
What about freekicks Zealand?
Not much different from corners - ball's coming from somewhere on the pitch that's not the corner.
For attacking: same logic applies to free kicks as to corners (best headers, long shots, etc.)
For defending: more dedicated man marking, 2-4/5ish players forming a wall (depending on how far out the FK is), fast players for counter attacks
Set Piece FC
3:11
i think you need to do a youtube series like some of the other fm youtubers do
He could probably just chop up his streaming videos and post them here for now, if he doesn't get enough time otherwise.
Constructive criticism: Your head is kinda blocking the players instructions, Zealand.
I wanna know who is that dislike?
I make the best intro I swe
Just feels wrong to listen to an American about football 😂
Same