I hate to tell you this but Darksiders 1 is a Zelda ocarina of time clone, not a god of war clone. Not to mention God of war is a devil may cry clone. So the entire argument is a mute point.
we should also give the franchise Onimusha and DMC their flowers💯💁🏻♀️💐for inspiring David Jaffe on creating GOW and Kratos bcoz he stated that on the bonus video in GOW1 💁🏻♀️💯
@KingOfLegends23 ya I get that. That's why I said it's sad it was never continued. Whether they were guaranteed or not. Another game in the series would of been awesome.
Purgatorio and Paradiso are better written but maybe not as interesting as Inferno, in fact in the ending cutscene if I am not mistaken Dante reaches Monte Purgatorio before the "to be continued" screen
I'm playing it for the first time ever and it's so much fun, I still haven't finished it yet but I wanted to know if there was a sequel, too sad to find out greedy EA did their thing again 💔
If you weren’t wowed by darksiders 1’s combat but still enjoyed the game as a whole you should totally give darksiders 2 a shot. The combat in ds 2 is fantastic, it’s faster, with better difficulty balance. It also has more great puzzle design, plus some new much better prince of Persia esc platforming, and Diablo esc rpg mechanics. With the exception of maybe story I think ds2 is an phenomenal upgrade/evolution of the first game. Overall it’s the best game in the series imo.
@@crewie94 3 is a good enough game although the shift towards a souls like style of gameplay wasn’t really what I would be hoping for from a darksiders game. At least of the 3 games I’ve played, I believe ds2 is best followed by ds1 and ds3 at the bottom. Not to say it’s bad, just not what I wanted.
@@MrJhwan Sorry yeah, I'm definitely not bashing the game overall, I'm just still salty that they didn't continue with a refinement of the old style. I felt they were getting close to having a truly brilliant combat system in 2, but still weren't quite there. One more game sticking with the direction I felt would've given the team enough experience to really push it to the next level. Hope you have a good weekend! 👊
Honestly my favorite thing about unleashed is how the lowest rank has an unique version of the theme where everyone in the orchestra plays at half-ass quality
At the time I was not a major sonic fan but when the quick time events appeared, I was shocked, like really shocked as it was my first time with quick time events. Not that great under pressure, but I found it weird teh homing attack is a separate button, its very weird.
basically the band went "You suck at this so we're going to put as much effort into the music as you in this level." And that's hilarious how the devs did that on purpose.
@@persomiissleepy Ngl if it was a professional orchestra, it's probably harder to play bad because they practice their entire professional career to playing good
@@drasconboy6349 Yeah, the notion of an entire orchestra intentionally sounding bad but still retaining some essense of the original music sounds tricky.
I adore Darksiders games except for 3, just not a fan of soul-like style. Wish they were more consistent with the genre though, because each game is a different genre altogether, the only one remotely similar was 1 and 2, with the differences being 2 has RPG elements
Darksiders is very beloved as a series to my understanding, but the games themselves are quite divisive between titles. What one person likes, another may hate-- and the inverse. Or you might be more in the "eh" regions of how you consider one of the titles. Nevertheless, i think they're all on the good side of things with interesting things to offer, and I do love the series with all my heart. And I will keep hoping for this series to get new titles, with a worthy end title with all four playable Horsemen in the future.
God of War itself took major inspiration, in terms of gameplay and visual style, from games like Castlevania Lament of Innocence and Devil May Cry which both predate it. So GoW in a way is also a knockoff.
@@TekTheNinja The only thing i saw was him disliking the idea of calling GoW a DMC knockoff but being fine with calling all the other games that came after knockoffs of GoW, even if you could use the exact same reasoning to not call them knockoffs. It's pretty simple, just call GoW a DMC knockoff, or better yet, just don't call any of these games knockoffs of eachother because that's just disrespectful to all the devs of these games, even the GoW devs.
@@gfhhfgZ Can't agree. Even though some of these games are good, most of the ones in this video are really aping GoW at the height of the trend of doing that, it's not really the same.
@@TekTheNinja Right, then let's call all of these games "a cheap and sometimes illegal copy of a popular, more expensive product" because that's what knockoff means. Yeah now i feel great shitting in all the work that was put in those games. Of course i also include GoW on this since it is a DMC knockoff. You want a knockoff of GoW? It would be a game where you control a god of war killing other greek gods while being angry and having the same type of gameplay and also being of worse quality. The moment you change IP, setting, gameplay, story, etc it stops being a "knockoff". A game called "Unearthed: Trail of Ibn Battuta" is a Uncharted knockoff but Uncharted is not a Tomb Raider knockoff, it's inspired by it.
@@SourRobo8364 Alien Force's issue is that there's almost no enemy variety and the level design is ok at best. It still has combos which every game since has abandoned but it gets dull to play really quickly. Vilgax attacks however has great level design, great bosses, decent enemy variety and the added benefit of 10 aliens. No combos tho, unfortunately.
Still blows my mind just how good Castlevania: Lords of Shadow looks to this day. Performance issues aside, it’s probably one of the best looking games of the PS3/360 generation IMO. Holds up really well on PC as well.
Yes thank you. LOS is actually on my top five favorite 360 games. Assassins creed 1, and 2, call of duty modern ware fare 2 and black ops are my other games in my top 5 360 games.
For Sonic Unleashed the ps2 version seems to fix most of the problems you mentioned before. The framerate was pretty fine, hub world was way different, it was more like you clicked on different areas to talk to people in a dialogue window like a visual novel, I also do not remember a skyscraper mission in it. If I also remember sun/moon medals were tied to ranking instead of having to find them.
As someone who didn't even realize there was a ps3/Xbox version until years after they played on ps2 it almost sounds like he's talking about a different but distinctly familiar game lol. Genuinely surprised why I never hear anyone speak of the ps2 version.
@@rockycuro7737eah I feel so nerfed while beating the Wii version I don’t like it and there are hardly any Day stage acts and no DLCs and Werehog way better on Xbox 360 and PS3
The idea of a game just being a knockoff or ripoff of something else is so strange to me. Yes, some games are blatantly trying to cash in on the popularity of something else, but that isn't automatically a bad thing. If it was we would call first person shooters Doom ripoffs instead of, well, first person shooters.
@@TBP Somewhat off topic but I believe Sega should just give up on 3D Sonic. It started off fine with the adventure games but its devolved into a deluge of autism, just look at Sonic Frontiers.
Hold up. Castlevania DID this before god of war, they been trying this since 64. I feel like this is just a disrespect to castlevania when they not only did this first, but also did it WITH a rebbot on thier respective timeline
Yup, even Castlevania Lament of Innocence from 2004 has a really similar combat system and control scheme to that seen in GOW. Maybe Santa Monica stole some ideas from that game
Think your assesment of Unleashed's Daytime Stages are the most legit analysis I've seen of standard Sonic gameplay from a newcomer. Also, as someone who loves Unleashed, no one will blame you for calling it quits in Skyscraper Scamper cause even before that final enemy encounter, falling into instant death was the norm for that level. The saddest part is, Empire City isn't even plot relevant...like at all.
"god of war is more about graceful combat and precision" 7 year old me spamming square 4 times and triangle once and spamming dodges against bosses and dangerous enemies:
I loved Dante's Inferno. Both the game and the "Animated Epic" as they called it which I saw first. Maybe that's why I enjoyed it a bit more. This deserves a well done live action movie, that would be an actual epic! Live action mixed with good CG. 🙌
@@JakeWesker358That's a great question. Someone who would do it justice. Not afraid of how dark and mature the material is. I hate when awesome movies get neutered because they want to get extra money from kids seeing it. James Wan would slay it imo. There are heavy horror elements to the story, he also does gore very well. Dante's inferno directed by James Wan.. yeee
Since you asked for the Tiamat Boss you actually can just melee her after the bombs are gone, her stun state is triggered by damage in general you don't have to use the crossblade, it's safe but slow whereas stick and moving with melee is risky but fast. Silitha actually doesn't have that much health it's just she has a lot of poorly communicated phase transitions that make it seem like she has more health than she really does. Roughly one combo not even a full one will progress one phase and once that damage quota is met she seems to become immune until you hookshot her again, which is why she seems to have a lot of health but really doesn't. I've consistently been able to kill her quickly with only a small handful of basic attacks on multiple playthroughs but landing the more damaging stuff doesn't make the fight go any faster. Also for as intimidating as her attacks are you actually have more time than it appears to dodge so long as you don't succumb to deer in headlights syndrome and or dodge in the wrong direction, I.E. don't dodge directly backwards for her lunging attack dodge to the side. Think of her as less fo a boss and more of a timing/pattern puzzle, that simple change in mentality takes her from very hard to cakewalk. I know you probably won't replay the game but you asked if you were doing anything wrong so I figured I'd at least try to answer that to the best of my ability, since I've played through the game multiple times.
Yeah, that happened to me too in Unleashed, the whole shock wave knocking you off the building. Best way to avoid that is to simply get away from it as it's preparing to jump instead of just continuing to whale on it. Then just jump over the incoming shockwave, get back in and continue attacking. You technically can block the jump but not without enough shield meter as it'll just eat through the shield if that's the case. You'll also probably still get hit by his jumping while doing aerial combos, further solidifying that the best tactic against that move is just to simply back off. Yes, Sonic Unleashed is one of my favorite games of all time and no, I don't intend to criticize how you play or feel about the game. I just wanted to point it out. I absolute love Chip for the reasons you say you hate him for as a character so I just disagree in that regard and that's great! I do agree in that the game could've used more revising as I didn't even consider how much it would've benefitted or not from excluding the lives system! I completely respect and appreciate your opinion.
Ngl the part where he rage quit was the most avoidable attack too It straight up has a long ass charge up before jumping so I’m confused why he had so much trouble with it
I basically skipped all the way to the mystery game. I won’t spoil it here but it’s from a franchise I truly love still to this day. And personally you could say the whole trilogy is a god of war ripoff.
@@crewie94 I’m gonna take a look at them eventually. I’m especially interested in the sonic unleashed comparison. One of my personal favourite sonic games.
I love DotD and it upsets me it gets overlooked just because it's part of a trilogy. It has its issues with jank animations and not good voice aching, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't love it. Edit: Spelling. The story, characters, soundtrack, and gameplay more than make up for the cons the game has
@@crewie94 I never said I wouldn't spoil it, but I will abbreviated it to DotD. That should be good enough. I can gush about the game all day, because I believe it to genuinely be good and underrated
lords of shadow 1 is incredible; when you're good at the game, everything comes together to make you feel like a basadd that will beat the absoute shit out of anything in your way. The presentation reinforces this through body language and the Heart of Darkness flavored narrative and i think it is masterfully done. I honestly felt more like doomguy with a whip than any of the previous Belmonts. Also, my thoughts on the blocking and dodging mechanic avoiding the right stick is that it ensures that your thumb is always on an attack button to incentivize aggressive play.
Ngl Dante's Inferno's combat is the love child of GoW and DmC, the combat is as fluid and grotesques as GoW but it has the Sword and Gun buttons which is the Scythe and Cross respectively like DmC.
Darksiders combos can mix and matched. The fact that you just spammed the air spin shows your lack of imagination to fully use the sandbox that is given to the player
Great video, Lords of Shadow is my personal favorite due to its amazing sense of adventure, the gameplay is sadly not on GoW's level though. The sequel has great combat so hopefully you cover that on part 2.
god of war is by definition a DMC knock-off as god of war is a character action game and DMC invented the character action genre its dumbed down but still a knock-off just like how Bayo is a DMC knock-off however that's not to say that's a bad thing imitation is the highest form of flattery but you cant deny that its the truth
I have news for you, DMC is a Onimusha knock off, and if you play Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden Black you'll see that those two games were the base for GOW combat mechanics not DMC. Also the first ever character action was Strider and that game was also an inspiration for DMC. Overall hack and slash is a really old genre that started in 2D action games and evolved to 3D action-adventure. But no, DMC didn't invent the wheel
@@killyridols72826 yes it did it you said it yourself "started in 2D action games and evolved to 3D" DMC was the first character action game this is not argued as character action in itself is a genera defined by DMC by your logic wolfinstine 3D was not the first FPS because asteroid was a game where you shoot things and wolfinstine just made it first person therefore asteroid was the "real" original FPS also check your facts it would be kinda hard for GOW to be inspired by a game that came out 6 months after GOW
@@elapidpython4378 First 3D character action was Onimusha there's even older 3D character action games/hack and slash like Berserk for Dreamcast, Dynasty Warriors 2 and Nightmare Creatures. And og Ninja Gaiden was first released in march 2004, exactly a year before GOW 1
@@elapidpython4378Ninja Gaiden from 2004 is the same as Ninja Gaiden Black bruh. It came a year before and it has the exact same control scheme as God of War 1. DMC1 has no air juggles, parrys, counters, blocking, grabs, magic, finishers, and all of those combat mechanics come from Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden. DMC 1 and 2 are 60% shooting even the final boss in DMC1 is a bullet hell. DMC invented "shooter slashers" but 3D hack and slash dates from Soul Reaver, Nightmare Creatures, Onimusha and Dynasty Warriors 2. And before 3D hack and slash existed we had 2D hack and slash, Strider's DNA is present in every single hack and slash game to date, from GOW, to MGR to DMC, to NG etc. But even then the first 3D hack and slash would be Soul Reaver which inspired Onimusha. Do a little research dude, Kamiya himself admitted he took inspirations both from Strider and Onimusha, he even said that the High Time attack was a copy of the uppercut slash in Onimusha, they only added shooting to an already existing formula
Lord's of Shadow was fantastic! One of my favorite games ever. It tells the story of a man who gave up everything to save the woman he loves, only to be bitterly deceived in the end. Also, the pencil sketch style of artwork in the beastiary is mind blowing. Epic game.
Did you know God of war is a knockoff of Ninja gaiden/black from og Xbox? It's true, the devs said it in an old interview for game informer, IIRC, that ninja gaiden was their biggest inspiration and they tried to do things as well as team ninja did. Turns out they far surpassed team ninja and my favorite action game of all time. And they did an awesome job at it.
Finally someone who actually knows about GOW influences. Yes GOW combat is based on Ninja Gaiden and Onimusha. But a lot of Hideki Kamiya fanboys still think that DMC was the biggest inspiration, but DMC and GOW have completely different combat systems lmao
Dispite them being knockoffs or took huge inspiration of God of war. I gotta say I love the games. Specially castlevania lords of shadow series. It's a series that actually got me into castlevania in general and helps with the fact it's a hack n slash with deep story and characters, lore. Definitely what got me into it. Also love darksiders. All I gotta say. Still waiting on strife stand alone game. With him being a gunslinger character. I wonder if it be a first person shooter game lol. Would make sense. But thing is. I feel if they did that for strife they probably be taking inspiration from doom and shadow warrior alot. Though regardless I think they need to bring the game series back to hack n slash genre like darksiders 1 or 2. I loved 3. But I like the hack n slash style gameplay in 1 and 2. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they took inspiration from devil may cry to extent. Like God of War. Devil may cry also defined the hack n slash genre.
I always felt like Darksiders 1 and 3 are in some form insipired by Devil May Cry. Also to that Strife game, I can see it as a 3rd person over the shoulder shooter more likely. Because even though Strife is a Gunslinger, in DS Genesis we can see that Strife is capable of holding on his own with melees
Games are so interesting like this. Devil May Cry was a big genre defining game that got a lot of its own knockoffs, but it also led to unique games that simply took inspiration while creating something unique, like God of War, and then GoW in turn got it's own set of knock-offs, that in some sense, can still be traced back to DMC. It's a weird sort of pipeline. Also it's funny to me that Castlevania had a DMC game (Lament of Innocence) and a GoW game.
Darksiders is one of my favorite series of all time I love the first two so much I haven’t put enough time into the third game to have an opinion on it and haven’t played genesis yet but the lore is also incredible
I like this series. I'm an old 50something gamer. Every decade or so, a game shapes all the other games to come after. The 80s were Space Invaders/Galaxian and Pac-Man clones. The 90s were Final Fight/Street fighter clones. God of War was that game. I played Dante's Inferno once. I remember enjoying it at the time, but it was missing that something that made me want to play it again. Some of it was that an hour into it, my first thought was "this is just Baby God of War"... and GOW still was releasing sequels regularly. And I liked GOW more. Although its existence as a shameless GOW clone is what people remember, I appreciate how you revisit it (and the other games) with care and depth...explicating all it's strengths and shortcomings. Well done.
@@killyridols72826 Literally doesn't matter. Onimusha came out only a few months before the first DMC so let's not grasp at straws here, bot games were in development at the same time. DMC ultimately popularized the genre and put it on the map, not Onimusha. That's the difference.
@@trainofthough0242 The genre was still niche in the early 2000s dude, back then ppl just called those games brawlers/beat em' ups, DMC1 didn't popularize it, DMC3 and GOW1 did
And let's say you're right GOW is a DMC ripoff, why GOW combat is completely different to DMC then? idk if you ever played other games but GOW combat is a carbon copy of Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden. There's no block, counter, two input combos, omnidirectional dodge or air juggle in DMC1, but you can do all of that in Ninja Gaiden. Only combat mechanic GOW took from DMC was the High Time attack and that's all, everything else is completely different
22:00 Not really, the most fondly remembered Sonic stories, dialogue and scenes come from stuff like the Adventure games and Black Knight, which makes you go "damn, they didn't need to go so hard for a family friendly mascot game but they did", i find Unleashed's story to be OK, but not nearly as high as the bar the series set for itself previously
@@SomeoneThatIsHappyTowards the end of the game sonic tells merlina (The girl u help through the game) that "Every world has its end, I know that's kinda sad but...that's why you gotta live life in the time we have, at least thats what I figure." Moments like these in the "dark age" sonic games are what made the fans miss that serious tone they to it. Nowadays sonic calling eggman bald mcnose hair and laughing about fart jokes...speaks for itself. Also earlier in that game knuckles was about to commit seppuku
Castlevania has a long history of 3D games dating back to the Nintendo 64. In fact, one of my favorites, lament of Innocence, was in production and released before the first God of war. God of war took a lot of liberties with that game's combat system. And Lords of shadows combat system is way deeper than any God of war game. And people always tend to forget about devil May cry being years ahead of any god of war game. God of war was not the first one to do in over the top action game and it's quite annoying that every third person action game gets compared to it. It's a fantastic IP but it's the Duke nukem of third person action games. Kratos is comically over the top.
I love the Lords of Shadow trilogy. I do agree that there were a couple levels in the early to mid game that could've been cut for time, but on the whole it was a great experience to come back to every few years. Edit: On God I FEEL you on that complaint about the lives system. Games with these super long levels with super finicky parts absolutely DO NOT need a lives system, and in fact are actively hindered by its inclusion (Star Wars: Bounty Hunter is a huge offender for this)
I think Bayonetta is the combination of both DMC and GoW. The game act like GoW with wider hitbox wider range attack, heavy and light attack combo and QTE and platformer, but the feel almost like DMC because some move designed to air combo opener, dodge offset that act like cancels similar to Jump cancels etc.
Ironically the sonic unleashed last Gen ports don’t have the sun and moon medal requirement but split the night levels into thirds so the night time levels are even more abundant and have a less conventional combat system as it was designed to be used with the Wiimoat and nunchuck
For Tiamat, the only good aspect about her fight is her intro cutscene. That entire scene has amazing atmosphere. The lack of music with the sounds of rain on top of a church with Tiamat's thunderous leaps and wing flaps. Then top off her speech is War's one liner.
honestly, lords of shadow is top tier imo... tho that could be the nostalgia talking since i played this at such a young age. either way, still love it to this day, heck, even the sequel too.
Bro what in the fuck….i never knew that game existed nor did i expect it to be a dmc clone lol. PS. DMC started that style of hack n slash gameplay mixed in with puzzle solving. Even God of War should be considered a clone of it
As much as I love GoW, it is a knockoff of another series involving a Dante. GoW is a complete knockoff of Devil May Cry. If you are familiar with both series and deny it, I would contend that you are just a bit biased. That being said, they are both fantastic franchises.
I can't seem to get where these titles are supposed to be a knock off? If these are a knock off from GoW then everything said at the beginning of the video about GoW not being a DMC clone is invalid.
30:08 honestly as someone who absolutely loves this game, I will admit that it is sonic teams fault for not properly optimizing that enemy. The trick to beating that part is to wait for the purple slam ring (I guess) to disappear and then spam x to get back up again, trust me I was just as frustrated as you when I got to that part on my first playthrough
Can’t believe they made a Belmont into Dracula. How insulting. At least the DmC Reboot game still respect the game’s original lore by following the characters’ originality.
I find Belmont turning into Dracula more tragic than insulting, with all the flaws that 2 may have it didn't shy away on how Gabriel pretty much suffered and keeps suffering in the sequel. I personally think this kinda storytelling is a bit more refreshing than the same song and dance we were used to in the past Castlevania games.
I mean, they made DmC Dante the offspring of a Demon and an Angel which is a very massive departure from mainline Dante which is the offspring of a Human and a Demon, and that change affected some of the themes and relatability of the original lore.
I honestly love every game on this list and i think they are beyond a knockoff, just like every game with an open world, cars and guns is a ''knockoff'' of GTA. Lords of Shadow is the best 3DVania i've played. Though i prefer LOS2 combat, but the story can go fuck itself. A 2010 game that holds up till this day in graphics and environment, while the story is one of the fell Castlevania games that they actually cared about it (Not that Castlevania needs to have a complex story, but the anime proved it can be good). Dante's Inferno i would say is more similar to LOS than God of War. A holy warrior on a personal crusade to get back the women he loves while going through different realms to face Lucifer. The difference is that while Dante goes on a path of redemption, Gabriel goes on a path of darkness. Unleashed depends on your mood to play. Day stages is the best part, fun as hell and everyone agrees, but the hub and night stages you'll have to be pacient, be invested to take some fun out of it. Story and characters are simple but it works, could be an Adventure 3 if they invested it more, but from what it is, it's not the best game but far from being the worse on the series
Personally, (and since LA Noire is from Rockstar as well), other than the earlier Saint's Row games, you can't really call open world games with vehicles and guns knockoffs of GTA. Nor is Mafia a knockoff of LA Noire, or vice versa.
Those are interesting games you discuss when they have God of War's influence. Quite surprising you have a rough time with Sonic Unleashed as I don't blame ya, I may enjoy the game myself but it was really hard with it's trial and error and for new comers, I have did the impossible and 100% it, even gotten it's Platinum Trophy (for my PS Account) for the game's 10th Anniversary (yes, I have did that.....) I also enjoy your surprise game too, as funny that both I mention came out the same year of 2008. Tbh I never played God of War but know of it's gaming importance. Maybe I should try one day.
The main issue with Unleashed is that it came right after and during the time of 06 where they were allergic to just making a straight forward Sonic Game where you go from level to level. The Night and Day mechanics lend great to the Open World in theory but in practice they should've just done it like Generations. Where the Hub World other than some secrets and side stuff is just made to get into the missions. Sonic Unleashed gets a bad rap but I think it's good for what it is. The God of War sections also weren't bad and were genuinely enjoyable. The difficulty though was definitely spiked. I think the reason for this is because 06 main Gripe with a lot of things to an extent is that they made it too slow. Everything in Sonic 06 is either a glitchy mess, slow and almost unplayable or both. So for Unleashed Day Sections they overcompensated massively by making you have to use Ultra Instinct for it. This does give the game a extremely high Devil May Cry like style and Gameplay Satisfaction to it, but unlike Devil May Cry even with a ton of practice it never gets to that point of just pure styling and clowning you can do with high levels of mastery. Which I think is kinda a shame, the Werehog sections are pretty good but I feel as though it relies a lot on the shallow open world and more punishing nature not pissing you off later.
@@pn2294 Well to be fair the Werehog sections are blatantly taking influence from God of War. Long winding attacks that are made to reach across the stage and hit other enemies. Quick time events that extend the combat further in a viscerally satisfying way. Long levels with some type of Puzzle element and making it almost an art of combat? That's God Of War for you, it's a different style than Devil May Cry but unfortunately falls in the same type of combat. Unleashed in the Day plays like Devil May Cry Sonic Version. Unleashed at Night plays like God Of War to a T but both styles are at strict odds with each other. That's what makes Unleashed both interesting and very disconnected and the Open World hurts it worse due to that. It's kinda like having an RPG and a Shooter in the same Game together. The RPG prioritizes thinking and understanding of combat types and moves, which you'd think would work with a Shooter. The issue is that the Shooter is too snappy and aggressive, so much so that the RPG ends up being used for it's concepts not it's gameplay. It's both a theoretical Match made in Heaven and in Hell at the same time. Imagine playing like Apex Legends then it abruptly turns into Final Fantasy, or Halo but it becomes Kingdom Hearts the next minute. That's the kinda problem that Unleashed has as a Game. Taking two Genres of Game that share a lot of elements combining them but leaving them constantly at odds with each other, purely on the grounds of them sharing those elements as a reason their Fusion works.
It wasn't, both GOW and DMC are Onimusha knock offs, if you actually play Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden you'll see that those two games were the base for GOW combat mechanics
@@MILDMONSTER1234he said it was the feeling of power they were ripping off from DMC not the combat, combat system is completely different in both games
Lords of Shadow is awesome. About the powerscaling, I played it on all the harder difficulties on my road to platinum. It's definitely not hard on Normal. Just requires a bit of caution.
Oh Look, someone who wants Sonic games to be on baby mode because he doesn’t wanna put in the work to get good. Play Sonic Colors or Generations, they’re more your speed.
About Dante's Inferno: How can you make a "dignified" depiction of hell? It's hell. People go there to atone for their sins. I can't imagine a place with less dignity. It's basically Edgy™️ - The Place.
I'm actually very surprised that you enjoyed the Werehog. Also not all Sonic 3D games are foresight based It's mostly just the boost formula style games (pretty much every game after generations). The adventure series was much less reaction based and more open. You should try those out sometime.
@Screen Play Jose I mean the games were literally designed that way so you can play them over and over again. Like going through world 1-1 in Super Mario Bros.
@Screen Play Jose I'm not sure what you're talking about, I never encountered a single enemy In couldn't see coming during the speed stages in adventure 2. Although Tails had some extreme enemy placements during his stages.
To think he sort of got what he asked for a couple of months after with Sonic Frontiers (without the werehog, but still with a combat system), although it's not really a GoW knockoff like Unleased was... Like really isn't, it's a daytime Unleashed game (sort of) being put into an open zone (sort of) filled with bosses and enemies. It also has way more mature tone than its predecessors, thanks for a having a writer who actually likes and knows the series rather than just watching the cutscenes and not caring whatsoever, and has an actually post release support. But it was refreshing to actually see a point of view of a non sonic fan which doesn't automatically hate to game just because it's the cool thing to do, very level headed, not to mention to Fandom which can create really good stuff, but most of the times is borderline insane (speaking of polarizing views). Very well done, I greatly appreciate that. *For the record: never played Unleashed myself, never owned a console for it and it was never released for PC, I did play Generations, which is basically a more polished version of the daytime levels without the hub worlds, so I can sort of get thegl gripes you had with this part of the game.
Dante’s inferno hands down has the best counter system for any game I have ever played. I can’t tell you how satisfying it is when you time your block right and time slowed down after stunning your enemy and you start just fucking folks up. It looks bad ass too. I got so good at it that I would go entire levels without being touched.
Yikes on the PS3 version of Unleashed lol since it has the 60fps boost on series x. Also great fun vid. Gotta love when youtube randomly recommends vids that interest you.
Biggest tip i can give you on skycramper.... just don't stand up inmmediatly after being hit by the enemy, that way the monster won't push you to the pit.
I've never played any of the Devil May Cry series, but I have played Bayonetta, and in my experience, the combat in Bayonetta feels a lot like how the combat feels in God of War. As for the knockoffs shown here, I've not played any of them...well, I do play Sonic every now and then, but I'm playing the original 2D games, so, it's not quite the same, but the thing is, even in 3D, Sonic is still platforming on hyperspeed, so it's the same feel. Or maybe I'm just projecting, beans if I know, lolz
I mostly liked Sonic Unleashed, but bounced off the final boss hard. Darksiders (and Darksiders 2) isn't a bad game IMO, just aggressively average. And while I do like Dante's Inferno, it's again kind of average. Fun, but nothing special.
On Spyro's Saga, only played Dawn of the Dragon, man, what a great game. Still remember how awesome to destroy the Destroyer. The dragon Citadel underground was awesome too. Great game.
Darksiders is a joke on anything below apocalyptic. Add "get hit 2-3 times by any of these 40 enemies and you'll die" to the combat, those extra skills really become useful. You can beat the bosses without getting hit pretty easily still, but there's little room for error. You never have enough health to tank anything. I have no idea why the hardest difficulty is an entirely different beast compared to normal. It's still easy, but it does become way more fun when the bosses themselves become puzzles in the way you have to actually fight them, and not just the puzzles they were intended to be.
Being similar or inspired by other games doesn't make you a knockoff, that's usually just how art is. There's usually inspiration from something. GOW didn't create the hack and slash subgenre.
As a Sonic fan who LOVES Unleashed u sir have prob given the most fair review of the game I've EVER seen on TH-cam and I thank u for that. Also it seems u fell into the TH-camr plays PS version of the game and comes to regret it in review stating to 'DEF play the Xbox version' curse no-one who reviews the game seem to get out of which is odd lol
I'm gonna put it out right here, the first Spyro games I played was the Legend trilogy I pretty much grew up with them and never touched the original games as I never had a PS1, I played them all from the first to the last, and I loved every second of it, sadly the only one I can play is the first since I owned all 3 on separate consoles, the first for PS2, the second on the Wii, and the third on the Xbox, and sadly my Wii and Xbox died while my PS2 still is healthy to do this day Also, Darksiders 1 and 2 is among my favourites, biggest memories I have of both is being scared shitless of the platform section where you have to track the sandworm in 1 and slowly whittling away on the Scribe boss in 2 for like an hour and not knowing to use the portals to kill the boss quicker, ahhh. sweet childhood
Watch the next edition of The God Of War Knockoff collection right now here.
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Strange, that you can hold weak or strong attack at leveled up Combat in Empire City Night stage in the end to easily beat the boss
@@godzillazfrictionlol called out, aren't you?
I hate to tell you this but Darksiders 1 is a Zelda ocarina of time clone, not a god of war clone.
Not to mention God of war is a devil may cry clone. So the entire argument is a mute point.
we should also give the franchise Onimusha and DMC their flowers💯💁🏻♀️💐for inspiring David Jaffe on creating GOW and Kratos bcoz he stated that on the bonus video in GOW1 💁🏻♀️💯
"Knock - Off Collection" sounds like something they should be selling in the Play Store.
Dantes inferno was phenomenal and im so beyond upset it was never continued.
Yeah, it was pretty entertaining.
Me too
@KingOfLegends23 did you not play the ending of the game? It literally says to be continued as the snake slithers away.
@KingOfLegends23 their game developers they could create any story they wanted after it. And visceral was damn good at it till dead space 3 flopped.
@KingOfLegends23 ya I get that. That's why I said it's sad it was never continued. Whether they were guaranteed or not. Another game in the series would of been awesome.
Dantes Inferno is a hidden gem that I wish it got a sequel. Truly a great game on the 360/PS3 era
There is PSP version as well btw
Purgatorio and Paradiso are better written but maybe not as interesting as Inferno, in fact in the ending cutscene if I am not mistaken Dante reaches Monte Purgatorio before the "to be continued" screen
Wouldn't say a hidden gem, it's a pretty widely beloved and relatively well known franchise. It's gotten quite a cult following in recent years
I'm playing it for the first time ever and it's so much fun, I still haven't finished it yet but I wanted to know if there was a sequel, too sad to find out greedy EA did their thing again 💔
If you weren’t wowed by darksiders 1’s combat but still enjoyed the game as a whole you should totally give darksiders 2 a shot. The combat in ds 2 is fantastic, it’s faster, with better difficulty balance. It also has more great puzzle design, plus some new much better prince of Persia esc platforming, and Diablo esc rpg mechanics. With the exception of maybe story I think ds2 is an phenomenal upgrade/evolution of the first game. Overall it’s the best game in the series imo.
the better of the series by far, I agree
3 is best imo
This is actually true....but what happened to 3!? 😥
@@crewie94 3 is a good enough game although the shift towards a souls like style of gameplay wasn’t really what I would be hoping for from a darksiders game. At least of the 3 games I’ve played, I believe ds2 is best followed by ds1 and ds3 at the bottom. Not to say it’s bad, just not what I wanted.
@@MrJhwan Sorry yeah, I'm definitely not bashing the game overall, I'm just still salty that they didn't continue with a refinement of the old style. I felt they were getting close to having a truly brilliant combat system in 2, but still weren't quite there. One more game sticking with the direction I felt would've given the team enough experience to really push it to the next level. Hope you have a good weekend! 👊
Hearing Darksiders be called a god of war "Knock off" hurts my soul
I don't think these games are knock offs, they are merely the same genre
Honestly my favorite thing about unleashed is how the lowest rank has an unique version of the theme where everyone in the orchestra plays at half-ass quality
my favorite thing is how in the last level i took 43 minutes to beat it and still got a B rank
At the time I was not a major sonic fan but when the quick time events appeared, I was shocked, like really shocked as it was my first time with quick time events. Not that great under pressure, but I found it weird teh homing attack is a separate button, its very weird.
basically the band went "You suck at this so we're going to put as much effort into the music as you in this level." And that's hilarious how the devs did that on purpose.
@@persomiissleepy Ngl if it was a professional orchestra, it's probably harder to play bad because they practice their entire professional career to playing good
@@drasconboy6349 Yeah, the notion of an entire orchestra intentionally sounding bad but still retaining some essense of the original music sounds tricky.
Ah, Darksiders. I just replayed the Warmastered Edition a couple days ago. I've always really admired it, but I wasn't sure if anyone else liked it.
I adore Darksiders games except for 3, just not a fan of soul-like style. Wish they were more consistent with the genre though, because each game is a different genre altogether, the only one remotely similar was 1 and 2, with the differences being 2 has RPG elements
2 has to be my favourite
@@suspiciousbacon same 2 was A great game i found it to be much better than the witcher 3
Darksiders is very beloved as a series to my understanding, but the games themselves are quite divisive between titles. What one person likes, another may hate-- and the inverse.
Or you might be more in the "eh" regions of how you consider one of the titles.
Nevertheless, i think they're all on the good side of things with interesting things to offer, and I do love the series with all my heart. And I will keep hoping for this series to get new titles, with a worthy end title with all four playable Horsemen in the future.
@@jurtheorc8117 i really wish
God of War itself took major inspiration, in terms of gameplay and visual style, from games like Castlevania Lament of Innocence and Devil May Cry which both predate it. So GoW in a way is also a knockoff.
This is acknowledged right at the beginning of the video
@@TekTheNinja The only thing i saw was him disliking the idea of calling GoW a DMC knockoff but being fine with calling all the other games that came after knockoffs of GoW, even if you could use the exact same reasoning to not call them knockoffs. It's pretty simple, just call GoW a DMC knockoff, or better yet, just don't call any of these games knockoffs of eachother because that's just disrespectful to all the devs of these games, even the GoW devs.
@@gfhhfgZ Can't agree. Even though some of these games are good, most of the ones in this video are really aping GoW at the height of the trend of doing that, it's not really the same.
@@TekTheNinja Right, then let's call all of these games "a cheap and sometimes illegal copy of a popular, more expensive product" because that's what knockoff means. Yeah now i feel great shitting in all the work that was put in those games. Of course i also include GoW on this since it is a DMC knockoff.
You want a knockoff of GoW? It would be a game where you control a god of war killing other greek gods while being angry and having the same type of gameplay and also being of worse quality. The moment you change IP, setting, gameplay, story, etc it stops being a "knockoff". A game called "Unearthed: Trail of Ibn Battuta" is a Uncharted knockoff but Uncharted is not a Tomb Raider knockoff, it's inspired by it.
Santa Monica Studio said that Capcom's Onimusha was a big inspiration.
My favorite GoW clone is Ben 10: Protector of earth. It's still the franchise's best game.
Debatablely yeah, depending on how you feel about Vilgax Attacks
@@NeiyonSpyder Never played that one actually. Alien Force was such a step down to me.
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@@SourRobo8364 Alien Force's issue is that there's almost no enemy variety and the level design is ok at best. It still has combos which every game since has abandoned but it gets dull to play really quickly. Vilgax attacks however has great level design, great bosses, decent enemy variety and the added benefit of 10 aliens. No combos tho, unfortunately.
Still blows my mind just how good Castlevania: Lords of Shadow looks to this day. Performance issues aside, it’s probably one of the best looking games of the PS3/360 generation IMO. Holds up really well on PC as well.
Great game.
Yes thank you. LOS is actually on my top five favorite 360 games. Assassins creed 1, and 2, call of duty modern ware fare 2 and black ops are my other games in my top 5 360 games.
Like it even had Patrick Stewart in it
@@tobiaskadachi literally the worst in the castlevania franchise
@@grifcheese1076 For me it's is easily best but I guess that's because I dislike all the other castlevania games.
Dante’s inferno was so underrated
Screw you EA
Dante's Inferno is absolutely incredible, I love it ♥️
For Sonic Unleashed the ps2 version seems to fix most of the problems you mentioned before. The framerate was pretty fine, hub world was way different, it was more like you clicked on different areas to talk to people in a dialogue window like a visual novel, I also do not remember a skyscraper mission in it. If I also remember sun/moon medals were tied to ranking instead of having to find them.
As someone who didn't even realize there was a ps3/Xbox version until years after they played on ps2 it almost sounds like he's talking about a different but distinctly familiar game lol. Genuinely surprised why I never hear anyone speak of the ps2 version.
That version is the same as the Wii note. And it sucked
@@rockycuro7737eah I feel so nerfed while beating the Wii version I don’t like it and there are hardly any Day stage acts and no DLCs and Werehog way better on Xbox 360 and PS3
I love playing both the PS3 and Wii versions.
The ps2 version is even worse. Worst controls and the combat is even more basic lmao
Dante's Inferno and the first Darksiders were so good man
Is the second one worse? Been wanting to try out these games for a long time
@@jerrysmith8814The second is better than the first in every way IMO
Man, I am one of the few Darksiders fan. So many good memories.
The idea of a game just being a knockoff or ripoff of something else is so strange to me. Yes, some games are blatantly trying to cash in on the popularity of something else, but that isn't automatically a bad thing. If it was we would call first person shooters Doom ripoffs instead of, well, first person shooters.
I never said it was a bad thing, as matter fact in my first knock offs video, I outright said that.
@@TBP Somewhat off topic but I believe Sega should just give up on 3D Sonic. It started off fine with the adventure games but its devolved into a deluge of autism, just look at Sonic Frontiers.
Funnily enough everyone did called FPS games Doom knockoffs/clones at the early stage.
Doom is a ripoff of Wolfenstein! LOL!
@@kylecrofts8740 Sonic frontiers is the most interesting sonic game in a while
Hold up. Castlevania DID this before god of war, they been trying this since 64. I feel like this is just a disrespect to castlevania when they not only did this first, but also did it WITH a rebbot on thier respective timeline
Facts
Yup, even Castlevania Lament of Innocence from 2004 has a really similar combat system and control scheme to that seen in GOW. Maybe Santa Monica stole some ideas from that game
@@killyridols72826 Santa Monica confirmed that DMC and Onimusha were big inspirations.
Think your assesment of Unleashed's Daytime Stages are the most legit analysis I've seen of standard Sonic gameplay from a newcomer. Also, as someone who loves Unleashed, no one will blame you for calling it quits in Skyscraper Scamper cause even before that final enemy encounter, falling into instant death was the norm for that level. The saddest part is, Empire City isn't even plot relevant...like at all.
"god of war is more about graceful combat and precision" 7 year old me spamming square 4 times and triangle once and spamming dodges against bosses and dangerous enemies:
I loved Dante's Inferno. Both the game and the "Animated Epic" as they called it which I saw first. Maybe that's why I enjoyed it a bit more. This deserves a well done live action movie, that would be an actual epic! Live action mixed with good CG. 🙌
Yeah watching the Animated Epic first helps you follow the story in the game better. Still waiting on the sequel :'(
@@JakeWesker358That's a great question. Someone who would do it justice. Not afraid of how dark and mature the material is. I hate when awesome movies get neutered because they want to get extra money from kids seeing it. James Wan would slay it imo. There are heavy horror elements to the story, he also does gore very well. Dante's inferno directed by James Wan.. yeee
@@JakeWesker358 Dude honestly, I feel like G. del Toro would be absolutely amazing for it. His monster design is godly
They have an anime out of y'all don't know.
Since you asked for the Tiamat Boss you actually can just melee her after the bombs are gone, her stun state is triggered by damage in general you don't have to use the crossblade, it's safe but slow whereas stick and moving with melee is risky but fast.
Silitha actually doesn't have that much health it's just she has a lot of poorly communicated phase transitions that make it seem like she has more health than she really does. Roughly one combo not even a full one will progress one phase and once that damage quota is met she seems to become immune until you hookshot her again, which is why she seems to have a lot of health but really doesn't. I've consistently been able to kill her quickly with only a small handful of basic attacks on multiple playthroughs but landing the more damaging stuff doesn't make the fight go any faster. Also for as intimidating as her attacks are you actually have more time than it appears to dodge so long as you don't succumb to deer in headlights syndrome and or dodge in the wrong direction, I.E. don't dodge directly backwards for her lunging attack dodge to the side. Think of her as less fo a boss and more of a timing/pattern puzzle, that simple change in mentality takes her from very hard to cakewalk.
I know you probably won't replay the game but you asked if you were doing anything wrong so I figured I'd at least try to answer that to the best of my ability, since I've played through the game multiple times.
now, god of war is a knock-off of the "3rd person over the shoulder immersive cinematic story" focused games,how the turn-tables lol
Yeah, that happened to me too in Unleashed, the whole shock wave knocking you off the building. Best way to avoid that is to simply get away from it as it's preparing to jump instead of just continuing to whale on it. Then just jump over the incoming shockwave, get back in and continue attacking.
You technically can block the jump but not without enough shield meter as it'll just eat through the shield if that's the case. You'll also probably still get hit by his jumping while doing aerial combos, further solidifying that the best tactic against that move is just to simply back off.
Yes, Sonic Unleashed is one of my favorite games of all time and no, I don't intend to criticize how you play or feel about the game. I just wanted to point it out. I absolute love Chip for the reasons you say you hate him for as a character so I just disagree in that regard and that's great! I do agree in that the game could've used more revising as I didn't even consider how much it would've benefitted or not from excluding the lives system!
I completely respect and appreciate your opinion.
Ngl the part where he rage quit was the most avoidable attack too
It straight up has a long ass charge up before jumping so I’m confused why he had so much trouble with it
Just be thankful he quit at Empire City.
Eggmanland and the endgame bosses would’ve broken him…
Castlevania had already been doing that 3d hack and slash since Lament of Innocence back in 2003 before GOW.
just because something is a beat em up doesnt mean its a god of war knock off
And this video implies it when?
I basically skipped all the way to the mystery game. I won’t spoil it here but it’s from a franchise I truly love still to this day. And personally you could say the whole trilogy is a god of war ripoff.
Honestly I'd recommend running it back, the points he covers are well fleshed out and it's an intriguing watch. 👊
@@crewie94 I’m gonna take a look at them eventually. I’m especially interested in the sonic unleashed comparison. One of my personal favourite sonic games.
I love DotD and it upsets me it gets overlooked just because it's part of a trilogy. It has its issues with jank animations and not good voice aching, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't love it. Edit: Spelling. The story, characters, soundtrack, and gameplay more than make up for the cons the game has
@@dillanschmidt7459 Hey, how many times the guy gotta ask for no Schmoilers? 😅
@@crewie94 I never said I wouldn't spoil it, but I will abbreviated it to DotD. That should be good enough. I can gush about the game all day, because I believe it to genuinely be good and underrated
lords of shadow 1 is incredible; when you're good at the game, everything comes together to make you feel like a basadd that will beat the absoute shit out of anything in your way. The presentation reinforces this through body language and the Heart of Darkness flavored narrative and i think it is masterfully done. I honestly felt more like doomguy with a whip than any of the previous Belmonts.
Also, my thoughts on the blocking and dodging mechanic avoiding the right stick is that it ensures that your thumb is always on an attack button to incentivize aggressive play.
Spot on!
It's much better than dantes inferno.
Lords of shadows will always be one of my favorites. All 3
Agreed, I don’t really agreed with most of the points he says
Ngl Dante's Inferno's combat is the love child of GoW and DmC, the combat is as fluid and grotesques as GoW but it has the Sword and Gun buttons which is the Scythe and Cross respectively like DmC.
Darksiders combos can mix and matched. The fact that you just spammed the air spin shows your lack of imagination to fully use the sandbox that is given to the player
Great video, Lords of Shadow is my personal favorite due to its amazing sense of adventure, the gameplay is sadly not on GoW's level though. The sequel has great combat so hopefully you cover that on part 2.
@Mobile Gaming Town M.G.T. that gameplay is simply incredible. Hopefully he covers it in part 2
I felt fucking powerless as Dracula lol. Was getting my ass handed to me by fodder Demons
The sense of adventure for sure. And the amazing soundtrack to go along with it.
god of war is by definition a DMC knock-off as god of war is a character action game and DMC invented the character action genre its dumbed down but still a knock-off just like how Bayo is a DMC knock-off however that's not to say that's a bad thing imitation is the highest form of flattery but you cant deny that its the truth
this is the doom clone situation all over again
I have news for you, DMC is a Onimusha knock off, and if you play Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden Black you'll see that those two games were the base for GOW combat mechanics not DMC. Also the first ever character action was Strider and that game was also an inspiration for DMC. Overall hack and slash is a really old genre that started in 2D action games and evolved to 3D action-adventure. But no, DMC didn't invent the wheel
@@killyridols72826 yes it did it you said it yourself "started in 2D action games and evolved to 3D" DMC was the first character action game this is not argued as character action in itself is a genera defined by DMC
by your logic wolfinstine 3D was not the first FPS because asteroid was a game where you shoot things and wolfinstine just made it first person therefore asteroid was the "real" original FPS
also check your facts it would be kinda hard for GOW to be inspired by a game that came out 6 months after GOW
@@elapidpython4378 First 3D character action was Onimusha there's even older 3D character action games/hack and slash like Berserk for Dreamcast, Dynasty Warriors 2 and Nightmare Creatures. And og Ninja Gaiden was first released in march 2004, exactly a year before GOW 1
@@elapidpython4378Ninja Gaiden from 2004 is the same as Ninja Gaiden Black bruh. It came a year before and it has the exact same control scheme as God of War 1. DMC1 has no air juggles, parrys, counters, blocking, grabs, magic, finishers, and all of those combat mechanics come from Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden. DMC 1 and 2 are 60% shooting even the final boss in DMC1 is a bullet hell. DMC invented "shooter slashers" but 3D hack and slash dates from Soul Reaver, Nightmare Creatures, Onimusha and Dynasty Warriors 2. And before 3D hack and slash existed we had 2D hack and slash, Strider's DNA is present in every single hack and slash game to date, from GOW, to MGR to DMC, to NG etc.
But even then the first 3D hack and slash would be Soul Reaver which inspired Onimusha. Do a little research dude, Kamiya himself admitted he took inspirations both from Strider and Onimusha, he even said that the High Time attack was a copy of the uppercut slash in Onimusha, they only added shooting to an already existing formula
Lord's of Shadow was fantastic! One of my favorite games ever. It tells the story of a man who gave up everything to save the woman he loves, only to be bitterly deceived in the end. Also, the pencil sketch style of artwork in the beastiary is mind blowing. Epic game.
Epic, yes. The soundtrack alone is godlike.
Did you know God of war is a knockoff of Ninja gaiden/black from og Xbox? It's true, the devs said it in an old interview for game informer, IIRC, that ninja gaiden was their biggest inspiration and they tried to do things as well as team ninja did. Turns out they far surpassed team ninja and my favorite action game of all time. And they did an awesome job at it.
Finally someone who actually knows about GOW influences. Yes GOW combat is based on Ninja Gaiden and Onimusha. But a lot of Hideki Kamiya fanboys still think that DMC was the biggest inspiration, but DMC and GOW have completely different combat systems lmao
Dispite them being knockoffs or took huge inspiration of God of war. I gotta say I love the games. Specially castlevania lords of shadow series. It's a series that actually got me into castlevania in general and helps with the fact it's a hack n slash with deep story and characters, lore. Definitely what got me into it. Also love darksiders. All I gotta say. Still waiting on strife stand alone game.
With him being a gunslinger character. I wonder if it be a first person shooter game lol. Would make sense. But thing is. I feel if they did that for strife they probably be taking inspiration from doom and shadow warrior alot. Though regardless I think they need to bring the game series back to hack n slash genre like darksiders 1 or 2. I loved 3. But I like the hack n slash style gameplay in 1 and 2. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they took inspiration from devil may cry to extent. Like God of War. Devil may cry also defined the hack n slash genre.
I always felt like Darksiders 1 and 3 are in some form insipired by Devil May Cry.
Also to that Strife game, I can see it as a 3rd person over the shoulder shooter more likely.
Because even though Strife is a Gunslinger, in DS Genesis we can see that Strife is capable of holding on his own with melees
The rest I understand but I still don't get unleashed
I think Strife would have to loose his guns at some point, if you know what I mean. xD
As has been stated I'd love to see the sequels/special editions of Dante's Inferno (St Lucia), Darksiders 2/3, and Lords of Shadow
Games are so interesting like this. Devil May Cry was a big genre defining game that got a lot of its own knockoffs, but it also led to unique games that simply took inspiration while creating something unique, like God of War, and then GoW in turn got it's own set of knock-offs, that in some sense, can still be traced back to DMC. It's a weird sort of pipeline. Also it's funny to me that Castlevania had a DMC game (Lament of Innocence) and a GoW game.
Darksiders 1 and 2 were my favorites man, they were fun games imo
Ahhh yes. A blue hedgehog is definitely a God of War knock off.
And Animal Crossing is a Devil May Cry knock off
Darksiders is one of my favorite series of all time I love the first two so much I haven’t put enough time into the third game to have an opinion on it and haven’t played genesis yet but the lore is also incredible
I like this series. I'm an old 50something gamer. Every decade or so, a game shapes all the other games to come after. The 80s were Space Invaders/Galaxian and Pac-Man clones. The 90s were Final Fight/Street fighter clones. God of War was that game.
I played Dante's Inferno once. I remember enjoying it at the time, but it was missing that something that made me want to play it again. Some of it was that an hour into it, my first thought was "this is just Baby God of War"... and GOW still was releasing sequels regularly. And I liked GOW more.
Although its existence as a shameless GOW clone is what people remember, I appreciate how you revisit it (and the other games) with care and depth...explicating all it's strengths and shortcomings. Well done.
The irony considering God of War itself is pretty much a ripoff of Devil May Cry.
Yeah, because it's not like this is one of the first things he clarifies in this very video or something...
Actually DMC and GOW are both Onimusha ripoffs, DMC wasn't the first hack and slash to exist lmao
@@killyridols72826 Literally doesn't matter. Onimusha came out only a few months before the first DMC so let's not grasp at straws here, bot games were in development at the same time. DMC ultimately popularized the genre and put it on the map, not Onimusha. That's the difference.
@@trainofthough0242 The genre was still niche in the early 2000s dude, back then ppl just called those games brawlers/beat em' ups, DMC1 didn't popularize it, DMC3 and GOW1 did
And let's say you're right GOW is a DMC ripoff, why GOW combat is completely different to DMC then? idk if you ever played other games but GOW combat is a carbon copy of Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden. There's no block, counter, two input combos, omnidirectional dodge or air juggle in DMC1, but you can do all of that in Ninja Gaiden. Only combat mechanic GOW took from DMC was the High Time attack and that's all, everything else is completely different
God of War is a Devil May Cry knockoff. Change my mind
Counterpoint, it's not, change my mind.
God Of War doesn't have a style system
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Not really, the most fondly remembered Sonic stories, dialogue and scenes come from stuff like the Adventure games and Black Knight, which makes you go "damn, they didn't need to go so hard for a family friendly mascot game but they did", i find Unleashed's story to be OK, but not nearly as high as the bar the series set for itself previously
Agreed, The Dialogue and Characterization of Sonic in Unleashed is just “Good” for me. Not Great but not Bad.
I’d say it’s at its best in Adventure 2 and Black Knight, SA1 is too goofy and kinda stupid imo.
I agree about the Adventure games but Black Knight?
@@SomeoneThatIsHappyTowards the end of the game sonic tells merlina (The girl u help through the game) that "Every world has its end, I know that's kinda sad but...that's why you gotta live life in the time we have, at least thats what I figure." Moments like these in the "dark age" sonic games are what made the fans miss that serious tone they to it. Nowadays sonic calling eggman bald mcnose hair and laughing about fart jokes...speaks for itself. Also earlier in that game knuckles was about to commit seppuku
I think you meant 21:43
Castlevania has a long history of 3D games dating back to the Nintendo 64. In fact, one of my favorites, lament of Innocence, was in production and released before the first God of war. God of war took a lot of liberties with that game's combat system. And Lords of shadows combat system is way deeper than any God of war game. And people always tend to forget about devil May cry being years ahead of any god of war game. God of war was not the first one to do in over the top action game and it's quite annoying that every third person action game gets compared to it. It's a fantastic IP but it's the Duke nukem of third person action games. Kratos is comically over the top.
And people always forget Onimusha is older than Devil May Cry, both GOW and DMC are Onimusha ripoffs
@@killyridols72826 You see my friend? You're doing what this fanboy does calling a game on the same Genre a ripoff for the game that before it.
TBH I think GOW itself is a knock off of devil may cry
Both DMC and GOW are Onimusha knock offs
I love the Lords of Shadow trilogy. I do agree that there were a couple levels in the early to mid game that could've been cut for time, but on the whole it was a great experience to come back to every few years.
Edit: On God I FEEL you on that complaint about the lives system. Games with these super long levels with super finicky parts absolutely DO NOT need a lives system, and in fact are actively hindered by its inclusion (Star Wars: Bounty Hunter is a huge offender for this)
Darksiders is my absolute favorite franchise! So awesome. I love all games.
I think Bayonetta is the combination of both DMC and GoW. The game act like GoW with wider hitbox wider range attack, heavy and light attack combo and QTE and platformer, but the feel almost like DMC because some move designed to air combo opener, dodge offset that act like cancels similar to Jump cancels etc.
Ironically the sonic unleashed last Gen ports don’t have the sun and moon medal requirement but split the night levels into thirds so the night time levels are even more abundant and have a less conventional combat system as it was designed to be used with the Wiimoat and nunchuck
For Tiamat, the only good aspect about her fight is her intro cutscene. That entire scene has amazing atmosphere. The lack of music with the sounds of rain on top of a church with Tiamat's thunderous leaps and wing flaps. Then top off her speech is War's one liner.
Hack and slash game = GOW clone apparently
just going through Darksiders, loving the combat especially bouncing enemies off the floor
Darksiders needs way more recognition. It's strange how unknown it is despite how good it is at the same time, particularly the second game.
Darksiders was a great game and far from a knock off
I was like ugh darksiders isn't really a knock off, and you agreed .....so great
Dante's inferno was a very fun game to play. I wish they would've made a 2nd one. One if my all time favorite games
honestly, lords of shadow is top tier imo... tho that could be the nostalgia talking since i played this at such a young age. either way, still love it to this day, heck, even the sequel too.
I like how he said “Oh man, he sounds like Mark Hamill’s The Joker.” while I was thinking the EXACT same thing.
Dante's inferno was a truly excellent game with a fantastic story and cool boss fights such a shame EA didn't do more.
Bro what in the fuck….i never knew that game existed nor did i expect it to be a dmc clone lol. PS. DMC started that style of hack n slash gameplay mixed in with puzzle solving. Even God of War should be considered a clone of it
Been looking for a comment like this
As much as I love GoW, it is a knockoff of another series involving a Dante. GoW is a complete knockoff of Devil May Cry. If you are familiar with both series and deny it, I would contend that you are just a bit biased. That being said, they are both fantastic franchises.
I can't seem to get where these titles are supposed to be a knock off? If these are a knock off from GoW then everything said at the beginning of the video about GoW not being a DMC clone is invalid.
Bruh...come on.
he need those clicks
I almost never play games like these but damn Darksiders 2 is great
30:08 honestly as someone who absolutely loves this game, I will admit that it is sonic teams fault for not properly optimizing that enemy. The trick to beating that part is to wait for the purple slam ring (I guess) to disappear and then spam x to get back up again, trust me I was just as frustrated as you when I got to that part on my first playthrough
Can’t believe they made a Belmont into Dracula. How insulting. At least the DmC Reboot game still respect the game’s original lore by following the characters’ originality.
I find Belmont turning into Dracula more tragic than insulting, with all the flaws that 2 may have it didn't shy away on how Gabriel pretty much suffered and keeps suffering in the sequel.
I personally think this kinda storytelling is a bit more refreshing than the same song and dance we were used to in the past Castlevania games.
I mean, they made DmC Dante the offspring of a Demon and an Angel which is a very massive departure from mainline Dante which is the offspring of a Human and a Demon, and that change affected some of the themes and relatability of the original lore.
I honestly love every game on this list and i think they are beyond a knockoff, just like every game with an open world, cars and guns is a ''knockoff'' of GTA.
Lords of Shadow is the best 3DVania i've played. Though i prefer LOS2 combat, but the story can go fuck itself. A 2010 game that holds up till this day in graphics and environment, while the story is one of the fell Castlevania games that they actually cared about it (Not that Castlevania needs to have a complex story, but the anime proved it can be good).
Dante's Inferno i would say is more similar to LOS than God of War. A holy warrior on a personal crusade to get back the women he loves while going through different realms to face Lucifer. The difference is that while Dante goes on a path of redemption, Gabriel goes on a path of darkness.
Unleashed depends on your mood to play. Day stages is the best part, fun as hell and everyone agrees, but the hub and night stages you'll have to be pacient, be invested to take some fun out of it. Story and characters are simple but it works, could be an Adventure 3 if they invested it more, but from what it is, it's not the best game but far from being the worse on the series
Personally, (and since LA Noire is from Rockstar as well), other than the earlier Saint's Row games, you can't really call open world games with vehicles and guns knockoffs of GTA. Nor is Mafia a knockoff of LA Noire, or vice versa.
I don't think there's anyting wildly revolutionary about God of War. Stylized combat was already a thing with Devil May Cry before GOW even dropped.
Devil May Cry didn't create stylized combat. That idea was first introduced in Strider and Onimusha, and both games influenced Devil May Cry
Darksiders is the only God Of War clone I liked the most,but wasn’t just a hack and slash game. It also had that Zelda style of gameplay too.
The Darksiders series are all masterpieces.
Those are interesting games you discuss when they have God of War's influence.
Quite surprising you have a rough time with Sonic Unleashed as I don't blame ya, I may enjoy the game myself but it was really hard with it's trial and error and for new comers, I have did the impossible and 100% it, even gotten it's Platinum Trophy (for my PS Account) for the game's 10th Anniversary (yes, I have did that.....)
I also enjoy your surprise game too, as funny that both I mention came out the same year of 2008. Tbh I never played God of War but know of it's gaming importance. Maybe I should try one day.
The main issue with Unleashed is that it came right after and during the time of 06 where they were allergic to just making a straight forward Sonic Game where you go from level to level. The Night and Day mechanics lend great to the Open World in theory but in practice they should've just done it like Generations. Where the Hub World other than some secrets and side stuff is just made to get into the missions. Sonic Unleashed gets a bad rap but I think it's good for what it is. The God of War sections also weren't bad and were genuinely enjoyable. The difficulty though was definitely spiked.
I think the reason for this is because 06 main Gripe with a lot of things to an extent is that they made it too slow. Everything in Sonic 06 is either a glitchy mess, slow and almost unplayable or both. So for Unleashed Day Sections they overcompensated massively by making you have to use Ultra Instinct for it. This does give the game a extremely high Devil May Cry like style and Gameplay Satisfaction to it, but unlike Devil May Cry even with a ton of practice it never gets to that point of just pure styling and clowning you can do with high levels of mastery. Which I think is kinda a shame, the Werehog sections are pretty good but I feel as though it relies a lot on the shallow open world and more punishing nature not pissing you off later.
@@Zeromaru42 Those are good points.
Yeah, as it is possible. Man, Unleashed sure gotten a polarizaing rep overall.
What made him think that it was a GoW clone in the first place?
@@pn2294 Well to be fair the Werehog sections are blatantly taking influence from God of War. Long winding attacks that are made to reach across the stage and hit other enemies. Quick time events that extend the combat further in a viscerally satisfying way. Long levels with some type of Puzzle element and making it almost an art of combat? That's God Of War for you, it's a different style than Devil May Cry but unfortunately falls in the same type of combat. Unleashed in the Day plays like Devil May Cry Sonic Version. Unleashed at Night plays like God Of War to a T but both styles are at strict odds with each other. That's what makes Unleashed both interesting and very disconnected and the Open World hurts it worse due to that.
It's kinda like having an RPG and a Shooter in the same Game together. The RPG prioritizes thinking and understanding of combat types and moves, which you'd think would work with a Shooter. The issue is that the Shooter is too snappy and aggressive, so much so that the RPG ends up being used for it's concepts not it's gameplay. It's both a theoretical Match made in Heaven and in Hell at the same time. Imagine playing like Apex Legends then it abruptly turns into Final Fantasy, or Halo but it becomes Kingdom Hearts the next minute. That's the kinda problem that Unleashed has as a Game. Taking two Genres of Game that share a lot of elements combining them but leaving them constantly at odds with each other, purely on the grounds of them sharing those elements as a reason their Fusion works.
@@Zeromaru42 you say that as though GoW was the first action game to do that in the first place
That moment when God of War is a Devil May Cry knockoff…
Lol Jaffe the creator said it himself too
It wasn't, both GOW and DMC are Onimusha knock offs, if you actually play Onimusha and Ninja Gaiden you'll see that those two games were the base for GOW combat mechanics
@@MILDMONSTER1234he said it was the feeling of power they were ripping off from DMC not the combat, combat system is completely different in both games
Lords of Shadow is awesome. About the powerscaling, I played it on all the harder difficulties on my road to platinum. It's definitely not hard on Normal. Just requires a bit of caution.
I just started playing GoW 2018 and it reminds me of Darksiders big time. Never did Darksiders remind me of any of the GoW games
When you realize God of War is a knockoff of DMC in a way
The devs admitted this too
Oh Look, someone who wants Sonic games to be on baby mode because he doesn’t wanna put in the work to get good. Play Sonic Colors or Generations, they’re more your speed.
About Dante's Inferno: How can you make a "dignified" depiction of hell? It's hell. People go there to atone for their sins. I can't imagine a place with less dignity. It's basically Edgy™️ - The Place.
Good video & the Darksiders part was a bonus for me
I love that franchise
It's weird how a lot of games back in the day took gameplay influence from old GOW, but then GOW decides to take gameplay influence from Last of Us
Story/Structure influence. Combat are nothing alike
I'm actually very surprised that you enjoyed the Werehog. Also not all Sonic 3D games are foresight based It's mostly just the boost formula style games (pretty much every game after generations). The adventure series was much less reaction based and more open. You should try those out sometime.
@Screen Play Jose I mean the games were literally designed that way so you can play them over and over again. Like going through world 1-1 in Super Mario Bros.
@Screen Play Jose I'm not sure what you're talking about, I never encountered a single enemy In couldn't see coming during the speed stages in adventure 2. Although Tails had some extreme enemy placements during his stages.
You know your game is great when there is that much knokoffs that are also good
To think he sort of got what he asked for a couple of months after with Sonic Frontiers (without the werehog, but still with a combat system), although it's not really a GoW knockoff like Unleased was...
Like really isn't, it's a daytime Unleashed game (sort of) being put into an open zone (sort of) filled with bosses and enemies. It also has way more mature tone than its predecessors, thanks for a having a writer who actually likes and knows the series rather than just watching the cutscenes and not caring whatsoever, and has an actually post release support.
But it was refreshing to actually see a point of view of a non sonic fan which doesn't automatically hate to game just because it's the cool thing to do, very level headed, not to mention to Fandom which can create really good stuff, but most of the times is borderline insane (speaking of polarizing views). Very well done, I greatly appreciate that.
*For the record: never played Unleashed myself, never owned a console for it and it was never released for PC, I did play Generations, which is basically a more polished version of the daytime levels without the hub worlds, so I can sort of get thegl gripes you had with this part of the game.
Thanks for the awesome video Tac
It's almost like they're all apart of the same genre 😱
No games of the same genre existing theres only one game per genre
Dante’s inferno hands down has the best counter system for any game I have ever played. I can’t tell you how satisfying it is when you time your block right and time slowed down after stunning your enemy and you start just fucking folks up. It looks bad ass too. I got so good at it that I would go entire levels without being touched.
Yikes on the PS3 version of Unleashed lol since it has the 60fps boost on series x. Also great fun vid. Gotta love when youtube randomly recommends vids that interest you.
Dante's inferno is a game I have to replay from time to time, same with Darksiders 1 and 2. Love them 3, they're definitely in my top 20
Biggest tip i can give you on skycramper.... just don't stand up inmmediatly after being hit by the enemy, that way the monster won't push you to the pit.
I've never played any of the Devil May Cry series, but I have played Bayonetta, and in my experience, the combat in Bayonetta feels a lot like how the combat feels in God of War. As for the knockoffs shown here, I've not played any of them...well, I do play Sonic every now and then, but I'm playing the original 2D games, so, it's not quite the same, but the thing is, even in 3D, Sonic is still platforming on hyperspeed, so it's the same feel. Or maybe I'm just projecting, beans if I know, lolz
If you do start playing DMC, start off with 5 as it has the best combat IMO.
@@marcusmayo I'll keep that in mind.
@@marcusmayo Yet they wont understand the story.
@@artistanthony1007 They could always start with 3.
I mostly liked Sonic Unleashed, but bounced off the final boss hard. Darksiders (and Darksiders 2) isn't a bad game IMO, just aggressively average. And while I do like Dante's Inferno, it's again kind of average. Fun, but nothing special.
On Spyro's Saga, only played Dawn of the Dragon, man, what a great game. Still remember how awesome to destroy the Destroyer. The dragon Citadel underground was awesome too. Great game.
Except dark siders isn't a knock off.
None of them are
When I think of Dante's Inferno, I automatically think Dante from Devil May Cry.
Darksiders is a joke on anything below apocalyptic. Add "get hit 2-3 times by any of these 40 enemies and you'll die" to the combat, those extra skills really become useful. You can beat the bosses without getting hit pretty easily still, but there's little room for error. You never have enough health to tank anything. I have no idea why the hardest difficulty is an entirely different beast compared to normal.
It's still easy, but it does become way more fun when the bosses themselves become puzzles in the way you have to actually fight them, and not just the puzzles they were intended to be.
Being similar or inspired by other games doesn't make you a knockoff, that's usually just how art is. There's usually inspiration from something. GOW didn't create the hack and slash subgenre.
As a Sonic fan who LOVES Unleashed u sir have prob given the most fair review of the game I've EVER seen on TH-cam and I thank u for that. Also it seems u fell into the TH-camr plays PS version of the game and comes to regret it in review stating to 'DEF play the Xbox version' curse no-one who reviews the game seem to get out of which is odd lol
Nevermind the content and the god of war related games.... This presentation itself is very well thought of and narrated! ...
I mean God of War is itself a knock off
I'm gonna put it out right here, the first Spyro games I played was the Legend trilogy I pretty much grew up with them and never touched the original games as I never had a PS1, I played them all from the first to the last, and I loved every second of it, sadly the only one I can play is the first since I owned all 3 on separate consoles, the first for PS2, the second on the Wii, and the third on the Xbox, and sadly my Wii and Xbox died while my PS2 still is healthy to do this day
Also, Darksiders 1 and 2 is among my favourites, biggest memories I have of both is being scared shitless of the platform section where you have to track the sandworm in 1 and slowly whittling away on the Scribe boss in 2 for like an hour and not knowing to use the portals to kill the boss quicker, ahhh. sweet childhood
the mention of castlevania and dante's inferno being knockoffs rather than taking inspiration from gow pissed me off more than I thought it would