I fourth that. I might not understand it all and would probably never do extreme overclocking, but the knowledge, insides into motherboard design and components chosen is so nice to listen to. P.s. my dad is into hifi amps and he took mentioned how some of them have crazy ratings of power. But when you actually look at what frequency, they're 99% will not be working at that range/volume. So yeah, keep these smol mobo review/breakdowns coming! I love em
I love these "not review" breakdowns. Some of my favorite content that gives the best information to decide if that board is worth the crazy price tag - or not. Thank you! more please!
@36:00 With the scale ASUS is operating at, they probably buy those caps in massive quantities where it makes sense to share it across multiple products and keep the supply chain simplified.
There are 2 reasons for the clear CMOS behavior: 1.This is an ITX board meant for SFF, so the capacitor of your SFX power supply won't be as large. 2. Even if the button is recessed, if you accidentally hit it, while plugging something in, it won't reset all your hard work. How I reset my bios: Unplug the PSU cable, because in SFF my switch is inaccessible. Hold the power button until the relay in the PSU makes an audible click. Press the reset CMOS button. This has worked every time. And you can even hear it worked, because the small fans will ramp up to max on the next boot. About the HIVE 2: It should just have a post code. But what I like about it is the flex key! You can configure it to: Boot into bios. Very handy especially if you disable memory context restore and the training takes forever.
When these drop, I actually do use these to learn about the nitty gritty to really compare which board to get. So personally for me im fine with the longer videos and going over everything about the boards
That clr cmos setup sounds better than the one on the MSI B650i, where if I reach behind the pc to unplug something and I touch the clr cmos button that sticks out the back the pc will instantly power off and then not boot until I clr the cmos again and wait the 3-5mins for the full first boot sequence For this asus one just unplug the psu while the pc is still on and then press the clr cmos button
The worst part about the "disconnect 5VSB to clear cmos" thing is that many ITX power supplies don't have switches on the PSUs themselves, and even if they do, an ITX build often will have the PSU somewhere that is entirely inaccessible without taking apart the whole PC. Also don't the APUs use the vcore rail to supply the iGPU?
This clear CMOS thing is not an issue. Here is how to empty your PSU faster. Turn the PC off, then switch the PSU off at the wall. Then quickly hit the power button on the PC. It will start up for about .5 of a second, then within a couple of seconds the PSU will be totally drained, look for any LEDs on the board to go out, then press the CMOS Clear button.
I was considering buying this for my new 9800x3d build but I am quite happy now that I went with the b650e-i instead. Pulling out the 24pin every time to clear cmos would've been a nightmare in my itx case.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Quick reminder, since I noticed that you weren't certain about them in various videos: For all current AM5 CPUs with a "170W" TDP, the stock TDC is 160A & the stock EDC is 225A, the only difference between 7000 and 9000 series is the actual PPT which is limited to 200W for the 9950X instead of 230W. I'm aware that you rarely overclock AM5 CPUs, but just out of curiosity, how much actual current did you encounter when overclocking a 7950X or 9950X, either static or PBO?
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking You manage to unplug the 24pin in less than 5 seconds? Ok let's say 30 seconds... On the bench with a loose 24pin, maybe. Imagine if your whole PC was able to boot with even a glimpse of activity on the monitor with no power attached except the charge in the PSU CAPS... I'll eat my words if you post a video showing the Clear CMOS button doesn't work after turning off the PSU or disconnecting it, holding the power button pressed for 5 seconds, then turn on the PSU again and power on. In a case? Not that it applies to you but most people would like to avoid unplugging the 24pin I assume. :) Should it be fixed on the boards that you have to do either workaround? Definitely lol.
Curious myself, I went with asrock B650E PG due to heatpipe, vrm, and gen5 m.2 over cheaper MSI edge. I'm sure I had plenty more reasons, but I was so overloaded with other information I couldn't retain info after making the decision.
Regarding the SOC APU power I don't think the 8000 series APUs use the SOC rail for iGPU power. I haven't been able to measure anything physically so just hwinfo readings, but the SOC power does not go up significantly with iGPU load on my 8700G compared to the 5700G where SOC power could go very high under heavy iGPU load. I have also seen some evidence of iGPU frequency being affected by vcore, not vsoc so I really think the iGPU runs on the regular vcore rail now. Anyways, would love to see you do some 8600G iGPU benching on this board.
I think this board would actually not have any issues with the iGPU of the 8700G, as that one's powered by the Vcore rail as far as I can tell, so, if we assume that, even a heavily overclocked 780M wouldn't faze this board one bit.
Hi sir. What motherboard do you recommend, low mid high tier ? maybe general brand if possible. I mean im learning something, just from your videos slowly. I just purchased a MSI board that has a lot of ssd slots..
Does it appear that ASUS is actually paying for the circuitry to properly balance the output of the VCORE power stages? I was talking to someone who knows a hell of a lot more about electronics than I do, and they theorized that the power draw on the stages is going to be very uneven without some moderately expensive additional circuitry, and that the flatter curve at high power in the SiC850 could be more valuable than having the than the higher peak efficiency of the alternatives. Their background is aerospace rather than commercial electronics, though, so they weren't sure. Though I think that the "110A" thing is absolutely marketing wank.
What about the old trick of disconnecting the power supply and then holding down the power button until there are no led's flashing. Will that not drain all the power in the caps of the psu?
Youre sure with CMOS? I mean, I use it on Strix 870E-E and the button works fine without unplug power. I trust you but then its better to unplug the power cable directly from power supply. There are tons of how to clear CMOS in www. Thats sooooo annoying. Anyway...thX for your vids!
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking yeah youre right, found it in manual for my x870E-E too. Mmmmh strange, needs also tons of clear the CMOS :D and never unplug the power cord. Remember me to my B650E-E from Asus...I had to do it there. With this board it was not enough to press the CMOS button. Man it seems those manuals are universal. Sometimes it make sense but not always.
hello, im searching for ther fl1 socket from amd that is used by the 7945hx and other embedded cpu's. has anyone an idea how to get in touch with amd people?
What you see here is an outlier for AM5. Currently it's the only X870. A620 are much simpler units and in case of gigabyte and asrcok they share mobo design with b650 variant (ax and lightning). B650Edge has only gen4 m.2 so few corners were cut. I actually want a robust unit to slap 9800X3D in it and OC the thing and even before that I'm getting 7500F as a placeholder that will also be pushed.
I wonder if well see VRM's like on my gtx670 KFA2 EXOC where there are half as many phases but the spacing is maintained and there is a hole in the CPB between each phase or something.
Come on you dont know that you can discharge the power supply pressing the power on button of the PC Detach power cable or put the switch off, press power on button it will discharge the caps, clear CMOS, then golden !
That depends on your CPUs memory controller. Good luck with the lottery. The motherboard mostly only starts to matter approaching around 8000. As for memory Sticks, look for 6000 cl30 36 36 or 6400 cl32 39 39.
I'm really enjoying your reviews and breakdown of motherboards, please make it more often
I second that.
I third that, Motherboard and Graphics card breakdowns are my personal favourite content wise.
I fourth that. I might not understand it all and would probably never do extreme overclocking, but the knowledge, insides into motherboard design and components chosen is so nice to listen to. P.s. my dad is into hifi amps and he took mentioned how some of them have crazy ratings of power. But when you actually look at what frequency, they're 99% will not be working at that range/volume. So yeah, keep these smol mobo review/breakdowns coming! I love em
Agree, but bz might be runing out of new boards to look at. Maybe make a review of some rack server motherboards or cheapo entry-level motherboards?
I love these "not review" breakdowns. Some of my favorite content that gives the best information to decide if that board is worth the crazy price tag - or not. Thank you! more please!
agree - color coded headers are a must.
@36:00 With the scale ASUS is operating at, they probably buy those caps in massive quantities where it makes sense to share it across multiple products and keep the supply chain simplified.
I dont overclock anyrhing but it is cool to know like every little detail about mobo before getting it.
Video starts with: "I will try to make the video shorter, so no extra!"
Look at video length, 50 mins, lmao.
50 minutes is short by Buildzoid standards.
There are 2 reasons for the clear CMOS behavior:
1.This is an ITX board meant for SFF, so the capacitor of your SFX power supply won't be as large.
2. Even if the button is recessed, if you accidentally hit it, while plugging something in, it won't reset all your hard work.
How I reset my bios: Unplug the PSU cable, because in SFF my switch is inaccessible. Hold the power button until the relay in the PSU makes an audible click. Press the reset CMOS button. This has worked every time. And you can even hear it worked, because the small fans will ramp up to max on the next boot.
About the HIVE 2: It should just have a post code. But what I like about it is the flex key! You can configure it to: Boot into bios. Very handy especially if you disable memory context restore and the training takes forever.
Actually hardcore backdrilling of slots.
We want x870e hero 👀😁
Itx boards are fun, I got a b650e-i from Asus and have a 8000mt stable setup with a 7700 and booted 8400 with bclk but it gets too weird
When these drop, I actually do use these to learn about the nitty gritty to really compare which board to get. So personally for me im fine with the longer videos and going over everything about the boards
That clr cmos setup sounds better than the one on the MSI B650i, where if I reach behind the pc to unplug something and I touch the clr cmos button that sticks out the back the pc will instantly power off and then not boot until I clr the cmos again and wait the 3-5mins for the full first boot sequence
For this asus one just unplug the psu while the pc is still on and then press the clr cmos button
The worst part about the "disconnect 5VSB to clear cmos" thing is that many ITX power supplies don't have switches on the PSUs themselves, and even if they do, an ITX build often will have the PSU somewhere that is entirely inaccessible without taking apart the whole PC. Also don't the APUs use the vcore rail to supply the iGPU?
This clear CMOS thing is not an issue. Here is how to empty your PSU faster. Turn the PC off, then switch the PSU off at the wall. Then quickly hit the power button on the PC. It will start up for about .5 of a second, then within a couple of seconds the PSU will be totally drained, look for any LEDs on the board to go out, then press the CMOS Clear button.
Thats what I was thinking.
Key downside: unplugging is seriously inconvenient if you end up having to clear CMOS regularly in the days or weeks of RAM OC.
Why arent two dimms more common on atx boards? Most people will be fine with 2x32gb for the lifetime of the platform anyways.
I wish my motherboard was interesting. Would like to see it covered.
Mine's interesting. Only because I paid a thousand dollars for it. Future-proof. It got a new BIOS and a 9800X3D and the memory never ran so fast.
I was considering buying this for my new 9800x3d build but I am quite happy now that I went with the b650e-i instead. Pulling out the 24pin every time to clear cmos would've been a nightmare in my itx case.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Quick reminder, since I noticed that you weren't certain about them in various videos:
For all current AM5 CPUs with a "170W" TDP, the stock TDC is 160A & the stock EDC is 225A, the only difference between 7000 and 9000 series is the actual PPT which is limited to 200W for the 9950X instead of 230W.
I'm aware that you rarely overclock AM5 CPUs, but just out of curiosity, how much actual current did you encounter when overclocking a 7950X or 9950X, either static or PBO?
Buildoid, just turn off the PSU, then hold the power button in for a couple seconds to drain the PSU.
that still takes longer than pulling the 24pin
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking You manage to unplug the 24pin in less than 5 seconds? Ok let's say 30 seconds... On the bench with a loose 24pin, maybe. Imagine if your whole PC was able to boot with even a glimpse of activity on the monitor with no power attached except the charge in the PSU CAPS...
I'll eat my words if you post a video showing the Clear CMOS button doesn't work after turning off the PSU or disconnecting it, holding the power button pressed for 5 seconds, then turn on the PSU again and power on.
In a case? Not that it applies to you but most people would like to avoid unplugging the 24pin I assume. :)
Should it be fixed on the boards that you have to do either workaround? Definitely lol.
Its like take out sword from rock.
In your opinion, what's the best ITX option for AM5 at this point (includes 6** gen)?
I like the b650e-i simply because it has a temp sensor among some other smaller stuff. Plenty of power delivery and 8000 qvl
Curious myself, I went with asrock B650E PG due to heatpipe, vrm, and gen5 m.2 over cheaper MSI edge. I'm sure I had plenty more reasons, but I was so overloaded with other information I couldn't retain info after making the decision.
Regarding the SOC APU power I don't think the 8000 series APUs use the SOC rail for iGPU power. I haven't been able to measure anything physically so just hwinfo readings, but the SOC power does not go up significantly with iGPU load on my 8700G compared to the 5700G where SOC power could go very high under heavy iGPU load.
I have also seen some evidence of iGPU frequency being affected by vcore, not vsoc so I really think the iGPU runs on the regular vcore rail now. Anyways, would love to see you do some 8600G iGPU benching on this board.
I think this board would actually not have any issues with the iGPU of the 8700G, as that one's powered by the Vcore rail as far as I can tell, so, if we assume that, even a heavily overclocked 780M wouldn't faze this board one bit.
Aye, It's my Motherboard all naked. I wanna repaste the chipset, and put better thermal pads on the VRMs
Maybe just putty up the whole board.
Hi sir. What motherboard do you recommend, low mid high tier ?
maybe general brand if possible. I mean im learning something, just from your videos slowly.
I just purchased a MSI board that has a lot of ssd slots..
Aren’t phases turned off? Usually you can overwrite this in the bios by a extreme vrm setting to keep all active all the time.
most consumer motherboards don't bother with that.
Used to be, you could drain residual charge from the PSU by turning it off then pressing the computer's power button. Does that not work anymore?
that still takes too long comapred to the button just doing it for you
Next mobo PCB Breakdown: ASRock X670E PG Lightning (the cheapest X670E board that I can find)
We need z890 breakdowns from all companys again!
not happening.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking why? Most overclockers are intel guys
Does it appear that ASUS is actually paying for the circuitry to properly balance the output of the VCORE power stages? I was talking to someone who knows a hell of a lot more about electronics than I do, and they theorized that the power draw on the stages is going to be very uneven without some moderately expensive additional circuitry, and that the flatter curve at high power in the SiC850 could be more valuable than having the than the higher peak efficiency of the alternatives. Their background is aerospace rather than commercial electronics, though, so they weren't sure.
Though I think that the "110A" thing is absolutely marketing wank.
cycle by cycle current balancing has been a standard feature of multiphase controllers for basically forever.
Thank you ❤
Should probably check at what output load the VRM stops skipping phases
I wonder how BZ desing and build his own ideal AM5 motherboard :D What component he will use: SPS, Caps, controlers. What format ITX, ATX, E-ATX?
take and X870E Hero and remove the unecessary DIMM slots.
Welp the CMOS just made my mind up on this board.....
0:23 BD: "trying to make this video shorter"
VIDEO: 51 min 21sec long.
ME: XD Yay 50 min rabling about MOBO :D
Why is everything seperated into components ? is that a modular mobo ?
you do realize that at this point Asus (aah-soos) are sending you boards just to annoy you ;D
VSOC not having a heatsink is just classic asus being stingy. they could've extend that heatsink a little bit and easily cover the VSOC.
What about the old trick of disconnecting the power supply and then holding down the power button until there are no led's flashing. Will that not drain all the power in the caps of the psu?
still more work then just having a proper clear CMOS.
Youre sure with CMOS? I mean, I use it on Strix 870E-E and the button works fine without unplug power. I trust you but then its better to unplug the power cable directly from power supply. There are tons of how to clear CMOS in www. Thats sooooo annoying. Anyway...thX for your vids!
you can check the manual for this board. It literally tells you to unplug the PSU :(
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking yeah youre right, found it in manual for my x870E-E too. Mmmmh strange, needs also tons of clear the CMOS :D and never unplug the power cord. Remember me to my B650E-E from Asus...I had to do it there. With this board it was not enough to press the CMOS button. Man it seems those manuals are universal. Sometimes it make sense but not always.
Can you do on X870E Taichi ??
Planning to
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking S2
hello, im searching for ther fl1 socket from amd that is used by the 7945hx and other embedded cpu's. has anyone an idea how to get in touch with amd people?
You're not an engineer you're an imagineer.
👍👍👍
Didn't you already have an Asus X870i board video wherein you insulted Asus' board naming then you made the video private?
Does this board has an external clock gen ?
no
I noticed they cram everything possible in these poor premium itx boards, which is not the main intent of itx is, misses the point
What you see here is an outlier for AM5. Currently it's the only X870. A620 are much simpler units and in case of gigabyte and asrcok they share mobo design with b650 variant (ax and lightning). B650Edge has only gen4 m.2 so few corners were cut. I actually want a robust unit to slap 9800X3D in it and OC the thing and even before that I'm getting 7500F as a placeholder that will also be pushed.
i don't know how you 'd have issues knowing which pins are the power switch, the Front panel connector has been the EXACT SAME layout since 2009.
I don't even remember the pinout of a PCI-e 6pin or EPS 8pin.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking ok thats bad :) lol
Asus is do expensive but poor quality now.
Try pressing a clear cmos button a few times, it works for me
1:56 just unplug ac power cord and hold power button down for 15-30seconds
That's still too long
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclockingstick some resistors in a molex, add a switch maybe.
@@Flapdr01 yeah I've been thinking of making a 24pin extension that has a switch on 5VSB.
I wonder if well see VRM's like on my gtx670 KFA2 EXOC where there are half as many phases but the spacing is maintained and there is a hole in the CPB between each phase or something.
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Come on you dont know that you can discharge the power supply pressing the power on button of the PC
Detach power cable or put the switch off, press power on button it will discharge the caps, clear CMOS, then golden !
The apu is not good for itx mobos it pulls too much from the soc
So far what’s the best memory kit for this board? Can this mobo do a 6600 1:1? I’m looking at 24gb = 48 sticks
That depends on your CPUs memory controller. Good luck with the lottery. The motherboard mostly only starts to matter approaching around 8000.
As for memory Sticks, look for 6000 cl30 36 36 or 6400 cl32 39 39.
6600 1:1 is all about winning the CPU lottery.