+Caleb Badrulzaman Movie fights were GODLIKE the opposite can be said for the plot and pacing of the film tho. So the movie is decent when it could have been amazingly godlike
This is probably my favorite video from Screen Junkies, please bring all of these guys back, please. This was a great way to spend my time and I am not even mad it was so long, was totally worth it.
Screen Junkies Andy, please make your questions more specific. You often leave the contestants hanging with the questions' vagueness. No other major complaints here though.
When you said BVS laid a framework for fun things to come I spilled my coffee al over my keyboard and ruined it, im writing this from my laptop :( The only joke this movie had was buried in techno music and didnt even made any sense, it was just made for the trailer. Also we still love you, but I also hated the movie.
+Screen Junkies can you guys look into getting Nick Mason from The Weekly Planet on? I love Mr. Sunday Movies but due to his ambiguity I think Nick would be more likely to come. Even if it was just over Skype.
+Alexander Gordon i disagree, it was pretty clear that Andy was being one sided just to get the viewers off his back about having Dans balls in his mouth, there were atleast two rounds Dans team should've won.
This was the best one because campea came with the flawless rebuttals. We know Andy can be a tad bit biased toward women and Dan but let's give Dan credit. He knows how to debate like no other. Overall it was a clean , healthy , fun and entertaining debate. Harley is funny as shit btw.
Cujo H Which is why I said when she laughs. I agree that overall she doesn't look like her, but when she smiles or laughs the resemblance starts to show.
Moangus PIckard he's said countless times that he was most looking forward to Aquaman because we've seen many Batman films. He's not keen on Gal Gadot as WW so he's never going to choose her over Batman and thus couldn't compete.
Nicky Thompson Movie Fights isn't always about choosing what you want, they can say the opposite what they believe about the topic and lie, it's about winning the debate.
+MrRudiMentary How much would have liked for them to talk dude? I wouldnt call them teammates, they just met a second before having to take out Doomsday. The urgency of the situation kinda prevents them from having a long convo dont you think?
Last week was the best episode in the entire series because we got all kinds of fight, fun and crazy ones and fascinating debate also. And this week was not a step down, I knew that with Dan, Campea and Marc the debate was gonna be enthralling and round 4 was pure sweatiness. What a show, please bring Campea back, take advantage of the fact that he has not started his new proyect full time yet.
But James Bond kills people. But The Phantom brands people. Yeah, they do, it's their thing. Those are characteristics of THOSE characters. Not of Batman. Those arguments are like saying "But Superman has superpowers. Batman should have superpowers too!" No, because that's not Batman. "Wonder woman has a lasso of truth! Why doesn't Superman have a lasso of truth?" Because he's Superman and that's Wonder Woman's thing. It's really not that difficult to keep track of these things.
She emailed her but wonder woman is powerful character and Bruce realize that that photo was from 1918 so Bruce wonder if she is also an different powerful person like superman and that's why he wonder if she is with superman .
laz kar I'm not saying that DARK is mature, and funny and humorous is not... I love marvel movies and that's their style, I just don't want to have the same thing, I want difference between the two of then, I think DC has made their mind about their style of movie and I just think they have to stick with it but that's MY opinion... but if you rather offend me saying I'm emo just because I have an opinion then I have nothing else to say man (:
I always thought that batman not killing people was a huge part of his character and not comparable to a height difference between Hugh Jackman and Wolverine. a height difference is artistic licence, but killing people is part of your character, because it is what you do that defines you, no? Batman not killing people is what is supposed to separate him from just another random pyschopath.
Yup they have no idea of what they are talking about batman not killing is a huge part of his character campeas comparison about jackmans height is nonsense batman is a complete sociopath in the film thanks to Snyder with the iq of a 10 year old certainly not the worlds greatest detective
God damn. I am so tired of the argument "this is the movie we've been waiting for 50 years for". Yes, we've been waiting a long time for a good Batman vs Superman on the big screen. And we're still waiting for it. The amount of time we've been waiting has all of NO relevance to the quality of the movie. If you're saying "We've been waiting 50 years for this movie, so we'll take what we can get." then fine, but don't use this as a reason for why this movie is good! Besides, we have such AWESOME animated series and movies.
+BlackBerserkgasme it's not a good point. Working out for a few days or a few weeks will not be nearly enough to be able to lift much more than a few weeks earlier.
John called Batman's no-kill rule a "small part of the character." That's the whole character! That's like saying it's fine if Punisher has a no-kill rule.
I'm sorry for replying to a month old comment but that has got to be the BEST analogy I've ever heard explaining why batman killing is such a big deal! It's exactly as ridiculous as punisher having a no kill rule!
It's a small part because he's always killed. Killing doesnt define Batman. The Punisher is a one-trick pony that brutally kills. No Kill Rule is a part of Nolan's Batman and is an inconsistent theme
Lupe Walker Apart from non-canon elseworld titles like The Dark Knight Returns or Batman:Year One, every mainstream incarnation of Batman in the comics has had a no kill rule. Only time batman killed in the main comics is the starting of the series in 1930s but that doesn't count since the character was still being developed (Superman started out as a villain for christ's sake lol) So yes, Batman not killing IS a big part of his character. That's like saying Iron man being into tech is only a small part.
Absolutely ridiculous that John and Marc didn't win Round 3. For every single argument Dan and Harley had against Gareth Evans, they had a completely legitimate rebuttal. And they all brought up solid points against Matthew Vaughn that I don't think Dan and Harley were able to completely refute.
Round 1: Failure won. The other side literally said Batman delivered COMPLETELY ignoring Superman's development in the movie. A good batman is not enough to justify the movie Batman Vs Superman.
Exactly. When all but one of the lead characters is severely under developed you have a failure. None of the characters felt like they had any real motivation for doing what they did.
+joseph robinson Batman had a really good motivation for doing this. He saw Batman as a threat after the End of Man of Steel. And Superman didnt wanted to fight, he wanted to convince that Luthor is a threat. But after he got weakend by kryptonite he was fighting for his life.
Quadrall Quadrall Yes, Batman's motivation was good. Superman's was weak as hell, they had the build up of Clark VS the Batman, Superman against Batman's ideology of killing criminals, ONLY to throw it all away when they made Lex force Superman to fight Batman so Superman's motivations played no part into fighting batman anyways. I'd rather Superman and Batman fight over their ideologies rather than forced from a Lex Luthor. Because when a fight is forced this way, the fight means LESS. Luthor's motivations were weak as well. Wtf, he knew Clark and Bruce's identity. He can attack their close friends, politically, economically but no. He chose the cheesy oh pit these two together because PLOT NEEDS IT. Lazy writing. What was the point of making Doomsday if he can't even control it? He would have died instantly after creating it if it weren't for superman. Lex is supposed to make smart convoluted plans which would have made the movie so good but no, they had to make him a dumbass joker like villain who does things for no reason.
unknown unknown yep i agree that it is still poorly executed but at least ppl will not think so much of batman vs superman if it was just called dawn of justice. The primary problem is calling it batman vs superman. Then the other problems of incoherent mess arises haha.
abhishek sk thanks mate. It was more or less rearranging the scenes which the movie already had and maybe adding a bit here and there. I was actually dissapointed at how messy and choppy the film was.
The way Luke Skywalker is described as "When the world was- when the Galaxy was in its most trouble, he took off for 20 years." at 49:47...it reminds me of the opening of Avatar. "When the world needed him most, he vanished." Also worth mentioning that Mark Hamill played the role of an evil-ruler-of-an-empire father who left his son with a severe injury in Avatar.
+Rony Lee He's a very clear speaker, but definitive Batman? That's Kevin Conroy. "This is Frank Miller's Batman"? Nope. Miller's Batman didn't kill. His tank used rubber bullets. He broke the Joker's neck to paralyze him, but not kill him out of desperation. He didn't even want to kill Superman, just teach him a lesson and use it as a rouse to fake his own death. Miller's Batman is incredibly motivated, knows exactly what he's doing and doesn't care if you hate him...but he's NOT mentally unstable.
No he didn't. Do some research. www.cbr.com/movie-legends-revealed-did-batman-actually-kill-anyone-in-the-dark-knight-returns/ Even Frank Miller's Batman didn't kill, and the hoopla was always about ONE potential kill, not several.
As someone who hasn't seen Batfleck vs. Superrage... I give it to Dan in the first argument, for his unanswered challenge to Superman. They all agreed that Batman was mostly good, but I heard almost nothing to defend Superman in that argument. It's Batman vs Superman. If only Batman was good, that's only half a movie.
I'm just gonna be honest. The movie wasnt that good. We have become spoiled with Marvel movies being action packed but at the same time fun and funny. The movie took itself wayyyy too serious. No comedy. No jokes. Just 2 and a half hours of means faces and bad attitudes. The story all over the place. And the movie was flat out made for the comic fan. So why get mad at casuals for not liking something that wasnt intended them in the place? Not everyone who went to see the movie read the comics. But dont tell a fanboy that. This comment alone might have someone literally go outside and punch out the first person they see lmao
+Bar Kelly Yep crazily over rated Kingsmen, the whole training sequence in the middle of the movie bogged it down, so did the girl, the fact that the head of the Kingsmen just turned bad.
It was weird to me how on the ultimate trinity question, they didn't really talk about actually -solving- a problem, which was in a question. Team left's trio had a force of unstoppable evil and a mindless rage machine, both more likely to make problems than solve them. I was sad nobody looked at the question and addressed that obvious weakness.
superman and wonder woman didn't talk to each other in the movie ? "it's from my world" - supes "I've killed things from other worlds" - ww I'm sure I paraphrased but this counts as talking to each other, right ? lol
+michael preller doomsday was basically Zod 2.0 and in the ship the voice said that such creature shall not be made again that means there already back on krypton so I don't think he lied to her.
Vishal Daryani Well he was CREATED with Luthers blood so unless Luther, at one time, went to Krypton he lied to her. Why am I even talking about this trash ass movie?
+Leopard95 I really went into it with arms wide open but the movies so pretentious and up it's own ass I just couldn't enjoy it. Not to mention the pay off to all this pretentiousness is a dumb giant monster fight. No really crazy sacrifice, no reflective moment, just garbage. If you're going to make the other almost 2 hours of the movie somber and full of messages/try to convey the feeling of superman in the real world then don't make the finale so damn typical and uncharacteristic to the rest of the movie. It's like it didn't want me to have fun, and when it didn't want to make me think either.
+eXXa1987 I'm with you. It was frustrating for me cause there were a ton of great moments, but the movie simply made no sense! It was a sloppy, incoherent mess that just so happened to have two or three action setpieces that were incredibly visionary and exciting! :(
My dream Movie Fights line up: Marc Andreyko Harley Morenstein Kevin motherlovin' smith We know the last two are BFFs and that Kevin has a schoolgirl crush on Marc so let's see this happen!
Great points of BvS: Batfleck and the Trinity, Batman's motivation for fighting Superman, Fight scene w/ Batman in warehouse, Bad points: Lex Luthor, Last act could have been saved for a future movie, Including too much Justice League set-up, Short fight scene
That "fun or failure" question was pretty much rigged against the "Failure" side from the word go, because it allowed the "Fun" side to essentially acknowledge 100% of the criticism of the film, then sidestep it. Even a bad movie can have "fun" moments in it, and it's a mighty feat for a movie to be a 100% total failure top to bottom. And to top it off, you allowed one side to sidestep the movie's faults, but then faulted Dan for acknowledging that there were any fun moments in the film. It was a stacked deck.
It's not crapping on DC, it's demanding quality ! I love Batman and I eh, tolerate (!!) Superman. I would love this movie to be good but it just isn't :/
What Dan should've mentioned is that the Avengers and Harry Potter were over 2 hours long, but they were well paced. BvS is a bit of a mess that goes for 2 and a half hours. Also, John is correct, The Raid 2 is one of the greatest actions movies to ever exist. It's a true masterpiece so if you get Gareth to direct Justice League, you are getting a masterfully directed film. He's probably not popular enough for a DC movie. Perhaps we will see him direct a Marvel flick soon.
+Theedirtyplaya Almost all the good action was in the trailers. So I was really uninvested when it happened in the movie. I should probably avoid trailers...
12:00 i thought he was just getting stronger to be able to support the new heavier suit to combat superman. that's how i saw it at least, but it could have been edited to better understand it that way.
Wow, FANTASTIC fight, this is the Movie Fights I know and love, no morons yelling over each other for an hour, definitely get Campea and Harley back again
I have my own theory about an infamous scene in this film, its meaning and the film's failure in communication. If there's a 1% chance.... A Batman that kills would have still killed Supes. With that said the infamous Martha scene makes sense if the communication were better. When he says why did you say that name it has nothing to do with their mothers. He's referring to the dream within a dream sequence(s). How do you know about my dream. Is this another one of your powers? Theoretically in an alternate time he kills Superman. Just like in the film Supes comes back. In between that time Darkseid shows up. Lois has done something stupid to get herself killed & Clark wasn't there to save her. Combine all of this with the underlying theme of the world kind of giving him a hard time you get an evil Superman that works with Darkseid to take overt Earth. Lois telling him that's his mom clears up the confusion/paranoia. It also reminds him about what Flash said, "Lois is the key". Batman rushing to save Ma Kent isn't about mothers. It's about avoid a horrible future.
All contestants made this a great episode but damn Andy's decisions were horrible! I think what bothers me the most is how rigged the first question is: Dan implied it so in his argument and what happened last year with the Jurassic World fight: OF COURSE BvS CAN BE CONSIDERED FUN, it doesn't mean that it didn't fail as a movie if analyzed fairly and considering most of the elements that make a film timeless...I'd be astonished if the movie wasn't fun, but I expected it to be GREAT, which it wasn't. It's no Batman&Robin but it doesn't mean it "succeeded"...even financially it's not looking very good and almost half of its audience are now doubtful of the next ones if Snyder keeps being at the helm. And even if such things can be considered an "opinion", Dad did bring out the most basic and objective (as possible) elements such as editing, story progression, how each character got very different treatment (Batman being the best by far, Superman being overshadowed, Wonder Woman being mostly fanservice). They didn't even get to talk about Luthor cause then it would've been too easy for the 2nd team.
"The pacing was way off." "But Batman was awesome!" "Superman's motivations were weak." "But Batman's awesome." "The way they wrapped up the fight was--" "Affleck was THE definitive Batman!" "Artistically, this movie was shoddy." "But we got to see the trinity!" 🙄😒 I wish y'all would just admit that this movie was almost fatally flawed. Yes, Batfleck is great, and yes, you get to see a lot of your comic book wishes come to life, but it all happened in a really sloppy movie that was trying to be five movies at the same time. This movie had ADHD and didn't know what story it wanted to tell or what it wanted to be other than a DC comic movie. Playing Marvel catch up in one movie for real.
+Daniela J. Totally agree, it's not just about SEEING something happen like Batman or a trinity, there has to be a clear and coherent reason as to why it happens. The Avengers does this patiently and brilliantly.
Positive out weights the Negative atleast in my opinion. After seeing the movie a few times, the pacing is actually not as damaging as most would say, but because they're trying to tell so many stories in one movie you have editing that seems choppy and story telling that looks messy. I understood everything even as they jumped from scene to scene and it was jarring at first but the second viewing was waaay better
+Richard Hanks I get why you feel that way and I respect it, but I think 10 viewings wouldn't change my mind. The scale of this movie and the talent attached deserved more than what it got. Its positives just serve to highlight its negatives and display the fact that they had such good stuff to work with and they just blew it all on questionable decisions and poor storytelling. It's almost sad, but much like the movie, it fails to inspire any real emotion in me besides disappointment at its failure to live up to its potential.
Yes and Batman killing lots of people, that ok whatever u can do it if u want to change the character, but they don't even address it as a fact that happens. they just "hide" it in the action. AND then Superman is pissed off about branding, but not about the mass murdering? Not even Alfred bats an eye at the violence, which makes him into more or less of a phyco.
wrong, Batman was amazing, WW was amazing, alfred was amazing, BVS was amazing, the action was amazing, and the story was amazing, the film was amazing
The only time I felt like they got a little off topic, was during the Trinity team question which was who would you pick for a global threat. I felt like they weren't making arguments on which 3 would be better verses a global threat... instead it turned into 1v1 fights between characters so I think those whole arguments didn't really stick with the question.
+music guy kids don't. we get a new batch of them every year. & we still got Superman bed sheets for toddlers. & something can still be kid friendly & appeal to adults, too. hell, Pixar does it every other movie.
+mrskribble It's called BATMAN v Superman, more building on origin of Batman than Superman. Batman would look so weird in a 'kid friendly' movie with this tone, that's why we get Lego Batman. You know what you're getting from MoS, this comment would serve better in 2013.
+Ndoelicious yes, I said this back then, too. it still doesn't make sense to me. they are selling BvS tshirts for little kids at Wal Mart. that makes no sense.
Don't forget about "Marvel Animated Universe: HULK VS THOR (2009)" .. As far the 'Hulk v. mind-control' argument goes - in the film 'Amora' (Loki's bitch) is able to cast a spell over Hulk that allows Loki to control Hulk's every action.
Question 4 was not trinity vs trinity. It was trinity vs threat. Y would i want the hulk if he'll destroy everything. Same with jason. Read ur own questions
I know Andy is supposed to keep his opinion out of it but really? Jason beats Luke Skywalker? That is some bullshit!!!! There is no possible way for Jason to win that fight! Even if Jason kept coming back it would still only take one swing of Luke's saber to stop Jason each time. At most Jason would be the occasional nuisance to Luke, but never a threat.
+ScreenJunkies I love movie fights; I love how fun, lighthearted, and nerdy they are. But there are problems with the philosophy and logic of the show that almost make it unbearable to watch: (1)- Movie Fights is for the sake of the argument, it is not (or at least should not be) reflecting the actual personal views of the fighter. The fighter is debating on the show just for the purpose of having a debate, so the way I have always perceived the show is that it is an unspoken understanding that each fighter might not actually personally believe in what they are defending, they are simply finding ways to make the debate bot intelligent and fun. (2)- This goes along with #1, since we have the understanding that each person is not necessarily speaking their own personal beliefs, arguments should NOT carry over from round to round. Example: in round 1 if someone debates that the movie was a failure, once that round ends and the next one begins no one is allowed to use the opinions and arguments presented in that round as an argument later in the show. So when round 2 starts and they have to pick what their favorite part of the movie was, no fighter can make the argument: "well you said you didn't like the movie last round so how can you say that this part was the best part!". It is both a logical fallacy and makes for a weak and easy argument. (3)- When the round is over and the decision must be made by Andy (or whoever the judge may be) is not allowed to add an opinions to the debate. The judge can not say anything that adds or takes away from an argument, especially if it is a personal opinion. The judge has to clearly make their decision on who had the better argument presented, not about what movie they like better, not about who was funnier, not about who the judge personally agrees with, but who had the most tight, compact, and logically sound argument. Of course I understand the the point of this show is for fun and entertainment. But if the Screen Junkies team could implement these rules a little better, it would make for an overall much better show.
Can I just say one of the things I enjoyed the most about the film, (and I think many will agree) Was the *SCORE* dear lord I loved it, seriously if your planning on watching it again, listen to the score, it is beautiful and gave individual characters their own scores, Wonder Womans theme when she's fighting is amazing, and so is Lex's and of course Superman's theme came back from Man of Steel that always makes me emotional... I love a lot of the marvel films but one thing they all lack is powerful scores, they are good at soundtracks, e.g. Iron man and Guardians of the Galaxy... But score they lack in, they don't give individual characters individual scores, whereas DC excel in that.
I completely agree Kelly👍 I listen to the MOS & BvS ( which has been severely underrated in social media I believe ) soundtrack everyday when I drive to work, in my kitchen, on my I tunes.... so much so infact, that it's taken on a whole new life of it s own for me. The score when Superman does is beautiful.... simply beautiful. I've made some very short film pieces with parts of the score, I find Zimmer's scores so poetic so to be able to try & tell a story with it is quite inspiring to say the least.👍
VERMISIMILITUDE That's amazing and yeah I agree Superman's theme is very inspiring and the most emotional... I love how they gave the most powerful being on Earth Superman, the most emotional and heartfelt score... and they gave Wonder Woman the most powerful score that just fits with her character.
Critics hate BvS because they don't like dark, brooding comicbook movies. That's why they also didn't like The Dark Knight trilogy by Nolan...oh wait..
1:25:16 Val Kilmer was also Bob Kane's stated favorite actor for the role prior to his death. Said that Kilmer was the closest representation of how he imagined the character up to that date.
Round 4 wasn't argued properly. the question was to pick a 3 to save the world they shouldve argued that not pic a 3 vs another 3. even in the 3v3 system it was flawed first luke beats jason and even if the hulk wins they said Dr M won so then Dr M beats hulk. that round was a bit of a mess
+The Hell You Looking At? Every fight was based on DC, which is fine it's DC's month with it's new movie release, and people have always criticised Screen Junkies for being Marvel Orientated even though that's completely due to lack of DC movie content to discuss, through of this though, people will STILL continue to hate on Screen Junkies because of the fact that they, for the most part, agree that Batman V Superman, was not a great movie... Enjoyable sure, but not great.
I can perfectly remember 2 moments when people threw the towel to an unbeatable answer to the question. 1st when roger said that the best villain in the 90's was Hannibal Lecter 2nd when they were asking the best poster tag line and someone's answer was the alien tag line: in space no one can hear you scream
Andy I respect you as a Judge but seriously, this fight was one of your worst. You clearly weren't picking based off arguments. Comic Hulk is not Movie Hulk, you went for Jason because he can "out-live," Luke which has nothing to do with them fighting, and you in round 1 you choice "fun or failure," in a movie that has more than 70% audience score on most sites. Round 4 there was a legit call before another side even argued, then you gave them 45 seconds and didn't even let them talk at the time WHILE helping the opposite side with their argument. These were either bad calls or bad questions. Seriously, I'd recommend changing how you "base it on the arguments," and what questions you use.
It would have been awesome if lex created bizarro instead of doomsday ,that way he could make him kill a bunch of people and cause a lot of destruction so that everyone thinks superman is evil.A better motivation for batman to want to kill superman and while we are at it they save doomsday for a proper death of superman film instead of waste him in this one.
+piero CORNEJO you are exactly right! that would fit the rest of the film so much better too. So how come hollywood directors and studios didnt think of this!
The arguments where they constantly compare people complaining about Batman doing something that seems out of character versus how other comic book characters or other characters in general act is weak. Of course no one complains about James Bond killing people, he has a license to kill that's the whole point. We are 4 years removed from the Dark Knight trilogy where it was constantly hammered home that Batman has one rule (no killing) so to suddenly see him mowing people down is jarring. When they compare Batman branding to the phantom branding that is also a weak argument and felt very out of place for Batman. However, I do understand that there are different interpretations of characters over the years and I have no problem with the Batman in BvS; the arguments they have chosen to use in defence hold no water.
Neither of these teams were smart enough to bring up that Batman killing people ruins the ENTIRE UNIVERSE for one reason. If batman has no trouble with killing people, there is NO REASON for Joker to be alive in this universe. This Batman would put a bullet in his skull in a split-second. There will be no tension for Batman in this universe since his primary catch-22 of not killing his foes has been nullified from the get-go.
I don't know how long Todd's been dead, and honestly, Snyder could wiggle out of that by saying "oh, batman went murderous later", but here's the thing. If batman gets a shot at the Joker, or any criminal in the future movies and he DOESN'T kill them, it makes no sense.
KTK We know he hasn't killed the Joker because Joker is in Suicide Squad. However, you are right about one thing: if batman just offs the joker, the whole criticism falls apart. I'm willing to go all in though that there's no way possible that WB will off the joker. The joker is batman's main nemesis, and if the arkham series is any indication, WB's cash cow.
Wolverine's Height and Batman's no kill rule is a ridicules argument. No kill is a core to Batman's character that he lives by. Wolverine doesn't have a code he lives by for being short...
So you turned a "Which trinity could save the world?"-question into a "Who would win in a fight? x3"-question... You didn't even just let it happen but actively turned it into that. It's nothing personal (how could it be), but you gotta step down as a Judge, Andy. You're really bad at this. It's incredibly annoying.
Batman V Superman was The Phantom Menace Everyone who saw the start of the new Star Wars Prequel trillogy for the first time, when they came out of those theaters, they expressed nothing but good things. It was fun, the fights were cool, young Obi-Wan was great, stuff like that. Sound familiar? Kinda like how people coming out of Batman V Superman saying that it was a good movie because it was fun, the fights are cool and the Batman is great, stuff like that. Calling Batman V Superman a good movie is basically comparable to calling The Phantom Menace, and maybe even really any movie in the Prequel trilogy a good movie.
The 4th fight was totally off-topic. It was about best team to save the world, not fight against each other - that is a totally different thing to argue... i´´m really surprised nobody mentioned that.
I thought superman and Wonder Woman did speak to each other once when WW said this things seems to feed off of energy to which supes replied this THING is from my world and then WW sais I've killed things from other worlds before.
One of the best movie fights ever!
agreed
+Caleb Badrulzaman Movie fights were GODLIKE the opposite can be said for the plot and pacing of the film tho. So the movie is decent when it could have been amazingly godlike
+Caleb Badrulzaman Yes, I fully agree.
Any part when someone wasn't getting their ass beat was boring as hell
+Caleb Badrulzaman how about james wan for the movie
+Caleb Badrulzaman agreed. I couldnt stop laughing haha
This is probably my favorite video from Screen Junkies, please bring all of these guys back, please. This was a great way to spend my time and I am not even mad it was so long, was totally worth it.
Thanks Timmy! One of my favorites too! @andysignore
Screen Junkies
Andy, please make your questions more specific. You often leave the contestants hanging with the questions' vagueness. No other major complaints here though.
When you said BVS laid a framework for fun things to come I spilled my coffee al over my keyboard and ruined it, im writing this from my laptop :(
The only joke this movie had was buried in techno music and didnt even made any sense, it was just made for the trailer.
Also we still love you, but I also hated the movie.
+Screen Junkies can you guys look into getting Nick Mason from The Weekly Planet on? I love Mr. Sunday Movies but due to his ambiguity I think Nick would be more likely to come. Even if it was just over Skype.
+Brendan Maxwell yes! They are great!
"you gotta get it in dan, or it's over"
"i know...i've heard that before..."
DAN KILLS ME!!
Hands down the best movie fights ever.
agreed.
+Alexander Gordon i disagree, it was pretty clear that Andy was being one sided just to get the viewers off his back about having Dans balls in his mouth, there were atleast two rounds Dans team should've won.
Except when Marc and Dan get super salty and start throwing a tantrum.
Absolutely. It was great. Very honest, balanced, and well argued.
This was the best one because campea came with the flawless rebuttals. We know Andy can be a tad bit biased toward women and Dan but let's give Dan credit. He knows how to debate like no other.
Overall it was a clean , healthy , fun and entertaining debate. Harley is funny as shit btw.
Am I drunk? There's two Andys. The one in the middle and one to the right of him.
Beards..
You're drunk
+Jack Park I'm seeing double here! Four Andy's!
I wonder if Harley brought his girlfriend along with him...her names Andi haha
that's to his left
Does anybody think that Trisha looks like Daisy Ridley when she laughs?
No
no
Negative.
+Ren Davis She looks like Brianna Hildebrandt from Deadpool, that emo mutant girl.
Cujo H
Which is why I said when she laughs. I agree that overall she doesn't look like her, but when she smiles or laughs the resemblance starts to show.
Campea is a movie genius. Not great at trivia, why he lost to Dan on the Schmoedown. However Campea is a flawless debater. His rebuttals were gold.
Campea dug deep for that hulk lore
I think John Campea threw the towel in round 5 because he wanted Aquaman but clearly Marc wasn't having it.
agree
Yeah I think he's still a tiny bit worried about Godot leading a film
No, it is really hard to debate against a solo Batman film, but Campea really brought up brilliant points as why we should get excited for WW more.
Moangus PIckard
he's said countless times that he was most looking forward to Aquaman because we've seen many Batman films. He's not keen on Gal Gadot as WW so he's never going to choose her over Batman and thus couldn't compete.
Nicky Thompson
Movie Fights isn't always about choosing what you want, they can say the opposite what they believe about the topic and lie, it's about winning the debate.
John Campea is so good at constructing an argument. Great public speaking skills and rhetoric.
Superman - This thing is from another world...my world.
WW - I've killed things from other worlds before
I believe that's talking to each other.
thanks
+Matt Mcandrew Oh good, I'm glad the two teammates exchanged one line.
That was a solid conversation they had. One sentence from each lol
+MrRudiMentary How much would have liked for them to talk dude? I wouldnt call them teammates, they just met a second before having to take out Doomsday. The urgency of the situation kinda prevents them from having a long convo dont you think?
+Al A I think he wanted them to exchange numerous humorous quips that would dissolve the tension and stakes of scene.
I don't like Luke Skywalker being disrespected.
+Harley Morenstein Did Luke take beard lessons from you?
I feel the same way you feel.
Best part of the movie is when Barman says to Superman "tell that to Zod's snapped neck". -Chris Stuckmann
L
Horrible line
barman ?
Last week was the best episode in the entire series because we got all kinds of fight, fun and crazy ones and fascinating debate also. And this week was not a step down, I knew that with Dan, Campea and Marc the debate was gonna be enthralling and round 4 was pure sweatiness.
What a show, please bring Campea back, take advantage of the fact that he has not started his new proyect full time yet.
exactly.
My trinity to slay evil is: Ghost Rider Nicolas Cage, Sorcerer's Apprentice Nicolas Cage, and National Treasure Nicolas Cage.
"i cant believe u liked that movie"
"ok what whas the part that u disliked the most?"
"i didnt see it yet"
LOL so tru
But James Bond kills people. But The Phantom brands people. Yeah, they do, it's their thing. Those are characteristics of THOSE characters. Not of Batman. Those arguments are like saying "But Superman has superpowers. Batman should have superpowers too!" No, because that's not Batman. "Wonder woman has a lasso of truth! Why doesn't Superman have a lasso of truth?" Because he's Superman and that's Wonder Woman's thing. It's really not that difficult to keep track of these things.
"I thought she was with you."
No you didn't Batman. You emailed her. She's clearly with you. You know that.
Clearly done for the trailers.
She emailed her but wonder woman is powerful character and Bruce realize that that photo was from 1918 so Bruce wonder if she is also an different powerful person like superman and that's why he wonder if she is with superman .
I Don't want a DC movie filled with jokes, I love the dark tone of it... think they should keep in this path.
+Hector Estrada wow what an intelligent response, and then you couldn't even spell the word right
Please do society a favor and remove your picture from social media.
I made sure it was spelled correct so you could actually do it. *****
laz kar hahaha that's the best argument you've got? hahaha offend someone because you don't have what to say, nice one kid ;)
laz kar so I'm Emo because I like the dark tone of DC movies? what a small mind you have... hahahahaha
laz kar I'm not saying that DARK is mature, and funny and humorous is not... I love marvel movies and that's their style, I just don't want to have the same thing, I want difference between the two of then, I think DC has made their mind about their style of movie and I just think they have to stick with it but that's MY opinion... but if you rather offend me saying I'm emo just because I have an opinion then I have nothing else to say man (:
The last 2 Harry Potters were PG-13!
facts!
+victor martone Order of the Phoenix too
Harry pothead. It's so dark. Lol.
+Dylan Thompson - Year 4, Year 5, Year 7 Part 1, & Year 7 Part 2 were all PG-13.
+winterwolf211 but it's not a kids movie though.....
I came here after Campea's rebutal of batshit crazy Grace Randolph's rants and I'm glad I did. It was great fun!
"Where's God?"
'Oh he's teaching Paul Rudd how to build the Tower of Babel."
GOLD.
This was a great episode of movie fights. Good laughs all around!
I wouldn't say BvS was a failure but I will say it was very disappointing.
I disagree
Very true, it has some really good stuff with some very bad stuff in it
I agree
+Corey Adolfi Solid 6.7/10
for me anything under a 6 is a failure
I always thought that batman not killing people was a huge part of his character and not comparable to a height difference between Hugh Jackman and Wolverine. a height difference is artistic licence, but killing people is part of your character, because it is what you do that defines you, no? Batman not killing people is what is supposed to separate him from just another random pyschopath.
Yup they have no idea of what they are talking about batman not killing is a huge part of his character campeas comparison about jackmans height is nonsense batman is a complete sociopath in the film thanks to Snyder with the iq of a 10 year old certainly not the worlds greatest detective
God damn. I am so tired of the argument "this is the movie we've been waiting for 50 years for". Yes, we've been waiting a long time for a good Batman vs Superman on the big screen. And we're still waiting for it. The amount of time we've been waiting has all of NO relevance to the quality of the movie.
If you're saying "We've been waiting 50 years for this movie, so we'll take what we can get." then fine, but don't use this as a reason for why this movie is good!
Besides, we have such AWESOME animated series and movies.
+Metrion77 couldn't have said it better myself, like earned
11:33 Batman had to workout just to wear all that armor....that shit weighed a ton!
+Chris G Thats a good point actually.
+Chris G I also thought he was just prepping. Like, he has been keeping super fit but he was bulking up before the fight.
+Chris G it would more than likely have been motorised
Kwesi Marcano Nah....Batman is most certainly not a mechwarrior. That's for others to take advantage of like Cyborg.
+BlackBerserkgasme it's not a good point. Working out for a few days or a few weeks will not be nearly enough to be able to lift much more than a few weeks earlier.
John called Batman's no-kill rule a "small part of the character."
That's the whole character! That's like saying it's fine if Punisher has a no-kill rule.
I'm sorry for replying to a month old comment but that has got to be the BEST analogy I've ever heard explaining why batman killing is such a big deal! It's exactly as ridiculous as punisher having a no kill rule!
It's a small part because he's always killed. Killing doesnt define Batman. The Punisher is a one-trick pony that brutally kills. No Kill Rule is a part of Nolan's Batman and is an inconsistent theme
+Lupe Walker That's a part of every Batman, pretty much....
Ultron32 apart from that it's NOT.
Lupe Walker
Apart from non-canon elseworld titles like The Dark Knight Returns or Batman:Year One, every mainstream incarnation of Batman in the comics has had a no kill rule. Only time batman killed in the main comics is the starting of the series in 1930s but that doesn't count since the character was still being developed (Superman started out as a villain for christ's sake lol)
So yes, Batman not killing IS a big part of his character.
That's like saying Iron man being into tech is only a small part.
Absolutely ridiculous that John and Marc didn't win Round 3. For every single argument Dan and Harley had against Gareth Evans, they had a completely legitimate rebuttal. And they all brought up solid points against Matthew Vaughn that I don't think Dan and Harley were able to completely refute.
Round 1: Failure won. The other side literally said Batman delivered COMPLETELY ignoring Superman's development in the movie. A good batman is not enough to justify the movie Batman Vs Superman.
Exactly. When all but one of the lead characters is severely under developed you have a failure. None of the characters felt like they had any real motivation for doing what they did.
+joseph robinson Batman had a really good motivation for doing this. He saw Batman as a threat after the End of Man of Steel. And Superman didnt wanted to fight, he wanted to convince that Luthor is a threat. But after he got weakend by kryptonite he was fighting for his life.
Quadrall Quadrall Yes, Batman's motivation was good. Superman's was weak as hell, they had the build up of Clark VS the Batman, Superman against Batman's ideology of killing criminals, ONLY to throw it all away when they made Lex force Superman to fight Batman so Superman's motivations played no part into fighting batman anyways. I'd rather Superman and Batman fight over their ideologies rather than forced from a Lex Luthor. Because when a fight is forced this way, the fight means LESS.
Luthor's motivations were weak as well. Wtf, he knew Clark and Bruce's identity. He can attack their close friends, politically, economically but no. He chose the cheesy oh pit these two together because PLOT NEEDS IT. Lazy writing. What was the point of making Doomsday if he can't even control it? He would have died instantly after creating it if it weren't for superman. Lex is supposed to make smart convoluted plans which would have made the movie so good but no, they had to make him a dumbass joker like villain who does things for no reason.
JokeRxScopeZ Typical Ignorant Fangay.
Actually they should have just called this movie Dawn of Justice, then most complaints would have gone away.
yup
+Utkarsh Pandey ummm nope, it's still a terrible movie.
unknown unknown yep i agree that it is still poorly executed but at least ppl will not think so much of batman vs superman if it was just called dawn of justice. The primary problem is calling it batman vs superman. Then the other problems of incoherent mess arises haha.
abhishek sk thanks mate. It was more or less rearranging the scenes which the movie already had and maybe adding a bit here and there. I was actually dissapointed at how messy and choppy the film was.
no they wouldn't because the movie still made no sense and was all over the place
LOVED watching this fight live! It was great to hear what everyone liked about the movie instead of pointing out all it's flaws.
Great job fact checking
the shish
This gurl is soooo hot 😂
@@hi_paulhere86 I´ve had a crush on her back then and now that I´m rewatching.... Nothing changed.... lol
The way Luke Skywalker is described as "When the world was- when the Galaxy was in its most trouble, he took off for 20 years." at 49:47...it reminds me of the opening of Avatar.
"When the world needed him most, he vanished."
Also worth mentioning that Mark Hamill played the role of an evil-ruler-of-an-empire father who left his son with a severe injury in Avatar.
this is probably one of the most interesting movie fights ever, both sides gave very good points.
Campea won this.
+Rony Lee
He's a very clear speaker, but definitive Batman? That's Kevin Conroy. "This is Frank Miller's Batman"? Nope. Miller's Batman didn't kill. His tank used rubber bullets. He broke the Joker's neck to paralyze him, but not kill him out of desperation. He didn't even want to kill Superman, just teach him a lesson and use it as a rouse to fake his own death. Miller's Batman is incredibly motivated, knows exactly what he's doing and doesn't care if you hate him...but he's NOT mentally unstable.
Uh.........WHERE in that comic did he shoot a guy in the head????
No he didn't. Do some research.
www.cbr.com/movie-legends-revealed-did-batman-actually-kill-anyone-in-the-dark-knight-returns/
Even Frank Miller's Batman didn't kill, and the hoopla was always about ONE potential kill, not several.
Round 4 shouldn't count. You asked for teams to stop a global threat (aliens, zombies, asteroid, etc) not teams to fight each other.
As someone who hasn't seen Batfleck vs. Superrage... I give it to Dan in the first argument, for his unanswered challenge to Superman. They all agreed that Batman was mostly good, but I heard almost nothing to defend Superman in that argument. It's Batman vs Superman. If only Batman was good, that's only half a movie.
When you trying to defend BvS... And you reaching hard af
And they won so....
+Gulyanne Cepeda they won because screen junkies dont want to be responsible for mass DC fantards suicides
+Gabriel Gonzalez (arreca09) The heads of DC fanboys would have exploded. I kinda feel bad for them.
Han Seoul-Oh yeah me2 , dont get me wrong , I want DC to be great , but not with Zack Snyer , I hate Snyder
I'm just gonna be honest. The movie wasnt that good. We have become spoiled with Marvel movies being action packed but at the same time fun and funny. The movie took itself wayyyy too serious. No comedy. No jokes. Just 2 and a half hours of means faces and bad attitudes. The story all over the place. And the movie was flat out made for the comic fan. So why get mad at casuals for not liking something that wasnt intended them in the place? Not everyone who went to see the movie read the comics. But dont tell a fanboy that. This comment alone might have someone literally go outside and punch out the first person they see lmao
Kingsman was not that great.
true
+Adam J7x not to me.
+Bar Kelly Yep crazily over rated Kingsmen, the whole training sequence in the middle of the movie bogged it down, so did the girl, the fact that the head of the Kingsmen just turned bad.
You're not that great.
+Bar Kelly yeah, not that great...it was better than Spectre, the 007 kinda movie that tried to spoof/copy. So your argument is not that great.
BEST MOVIE FIGHTS EVER please have a rematch with the same teams
this is the best movie fights I've seen in a while! Great panel
Hey! Calhoon is here (anyone know who Calhoon is)
Dat guy from the confederate south who called president Davis is dumbass?
Yes! VGHS!
I'm allergic to shellfish
+Jake Boos "you will bathe in the blood of your enemies"
Hey Danny yeeahhh
It was weird to me how on the ultimate trinity question, they didn't really talk about actually -solving- a problem, which was in a question. Team left's trio had a force of unstoppable evil and a mindless rage machine, both more likely to make problems than solve them. I was sad nobody looked at the question and addressed that obvious weakness.
superman and wonder woman didn't talk to each other in the movie ?
"it's from my world" - supes
"I've killed things from other worlds" - ww
I'm sure I paraphrased but this counts as talking to each other, right ? lol
+Vishal Daryani So Supes lied to her? Considering DD was created on earth and all...
+michael preller doomsday was basically Zod 2.0 and in the ship the voice said that such creature shall not be made again that means there already back on krypton so I don't think he lied to her.
Vishal Daryani
Well he was CREATED with Luthers blood so unless Luther, at one time, went to Krypton he lied to her. Why am I even talking about this trash ass movie?
NO.
Trisha is hella fine and looks like a girl you can take home to mom at the same time LOL
BvS was good. Not great.
+Leopard95 I'd say mediocre with a lot of great scenes.
+frank unodostres I think it was much better than Man of Steel.
MoS is MUCH better IMO.
+Leopard95 I really went into it with arms wide open but the movies so pretentious and up it's own ass I just couldn't enjoy it. Not to mention the pay off to all this pretentiousness is a dumb giant monster fight. No really crazy sacrifice, no reflective moment, just garbage. If you're going to make the other almost 2 hours of the movie somber and full of messages/try to convey the feeling of superman in the real world then don't make the finale so damn typical and uncharacteristic to the rest of the movie. It's like it didn't want me to have fun, and when it didn't want to make me think either.
+eXXa1987
I'm with you. It was frustrating for me cause there were a ton of great moments, but the movie simply made no sense! It was a sloppy, incoherent mess that just so happened to have two or three action setpieces that were incredibly visionary and exciting! :(
Marc Andreyko has become one of my favorite fighters
I miss this show and this community
We need a Trisha, Erin, & Alicia Movie Fight.
+Zepol iz Bae Hello there! How'd you like this year's Mania?
My dream Movie Fights line up:
Marc Andreyko
Harley Morenstein
Kevin motherlovin' smith
We know the last two are BFFs and that Kevin has a schoolgirl crush on Marc so let's see this happen!
Great points of BvS: Batfleck and the Trinity, Batman's motivation for fighting Superman, Fight scene w/ Batman in warehouse,
Bad points: Lex Luthor, Last act could have been saved for a future movie, Including too much Justice League set-up, Short fight scene
More Duos on Movie Fights. This was fun
Probably the best movie fights I've seen yet!
That "fun or failure" question was pretty much rigged against the "Failure" side from the word go, because it allowed the "Fun" side to essentially acknowledge 100% of the criticism of the film, then sidestep it. Even a bad movie can have "fun" moments in it, and it's a mighty feat for a movie to be a 100% total failure top to bottom.
And to top it off, you allowed one side to sidestep the movie's faults, but then faulted Dan for acknowledging that there were any fun moments in the film. It was a stacked deck.
+Scottoest Agreed. I dont know why they ask that question.
+Scottoest This is true, but this movie had NO fun moments. It's a complete and utter failure, and this discussion was set up from the start.
+Scottoest They don't want to crap on DC because they get a lot of DC fanboys hating on them.
It's not crapping on DC, it's demanding quality ! I love Batman and I eh, tolerate (!!) Superman. I would love this movie to be good but it just isn't :/
What Dan should've mentioned is that the Avengers and Harry Potter were over 2 hours long, but they were well paced. BvS is a bit of a mess that goes for 2 and a half hours.
Also, John is correct, The Raid 2 is one of the greatest actions movies to ever exist. It's a true masterpiece so if you get Gareth to direct Justice League, you are getting a masterfully directed film. He's probably not popular enough for a DC movie. Perhaps we will see him direct a Marvel flick soon.
Biggest Failure of the movie was the marketing...
We saw the entire film, watching it was like crossing off items on a check list.
+Ben Gallagher the marketing team for the movie needs to be fired asap
+Theedirtyplaya Almost all the good action was in the trailers. So I was really uninvested when it happened in the movie. I should probably avoid trailers...
Ann Nee
not even just the action the whole story
I agree
12:00 i thought he was just getting stronger to be able to support the new heavier suit to combat superman. that's how i saw it at least, but it could have been edited to better understand it that way.
Wow, FANTASTIC fight, this is the Movie Fights I know and love, no morons yelling over each other for an hour, definitely get Campea and Harley back again
+Julian Webb The only thing that was keeping it down was Marc. I don't like it when he is on. He always brings in politics into it.
+Tony Stark Eh I even like Marc, his humour is so dry I can't help but laugh
I have my own theory about an infamous scene in this film, its meaning and the film's failure in communication.
If there's a 1% chance.... A Batman that kills would have still killed Supes. With that said the infamous Martha scene makes sense if the communication were better. When he says why did you say that name it has nothing to do with their mothers. He's referring to the dream within a dream sequence(s).
How do you know about my dream. Is this another one of your powers?
Theoretically in an alternate time he kills Superman. Just like in the film Supes comes back. In between that time Darkseid shows up. Lois has done something stupid to get herself killed & Clark wasn't there to save her. Combine all of this with the underlying theme of the world kind of giving him a hard time you get an evil Superman that works with Darkseid to take overt Earth. Lois telling him that's his mom clears up the confusion/paranoia. It also reminds him about what Flash said, "Lois is the key". Batman rushing to save Ma Kent isn't about mothers. It's about avoid a horrible future.
Damn I looked at that scene from a totally different angle. Your view is awesome, didn't think of that . Wow.
+Sid Jones wow this is amazing, and terrible directing at conveying this if that was the intention. props to you man
Sid Jones I NEVER comment on TH-cam but damn this is good
@screenjunkies the week before CA:CW Ask who is right iron man or captainaerica
yaaaas
@Harry Griffin that's #true
All contestants made this a great episode but damn Andy's decisions were horrible! I think what bothers me the most is how rigged the first question is: Dan implied it so in his argument and what happened last year with the Jurassic World fight: OF COURSE BvS CAN BE CONSIDERED FUN, it doesn't mean that it didn't fail as a movie if analyzed fairly and considering most of the elements that make a film timeless...I'd be astonished if the movie wasn't fun, but I expected it to be GREAT, which it wasn't. It's no Batman&Robin but it doesn't mean it "succeeded"...even financially it's not looking very good and almost half of its audience are now doubtful of the next ones if Snyder keeps being at the helm.
And even if such things can be considered an "opinion", Dad did bring out the most basic and objective (as possible) elements such as editing, story progression, how each character got very different treatment (Batman being the best by far, Superman being overshadowed, Wonder Woman being mostly fanservice). They didn't even get to talk about Luthor cause then it would've been too easy for the 2nd team.
Batman v Superman = Quantity and Style over Quality and Substance
"The pacing was way off."
"But Batman was awesome!"
"Superman's motivations were weak."
"But Batman's awesome."
"The way they wrapped up the fight was--"
"Affleck was THE definitive Batman!"
"Artistically, this movie was shoddy."
"But we got to see the trinity!"
🙄😒
I wish y'all would just admit that this movie was almost fatally flawed. Yes, Batfleck is great, and yes, you get to see a lot of your comic book wishes come to life, but it all happened in a really sloppy movie that was trying to be five movies at the same time. This movie had ADHD and didn't know what story it wanted to tell or what it wanted to be other than a DC comic movie. Playing Marvel catch up in one movie for real.
+Daniela J. Totally agree, it's not just about SEEING something happen like Batman or a trinity, there has to be a clear and coherent reason as to why it happens. The Avengers does this patiently and brilliantly.
Positive out weights the Negative atleast in my opinion. After seeing the movie a few times, the pacing is actually not as damaging as most would say, but because they're trying to tell so many stories in one movie you have editing that seems choppy and story telling that looks messy. I understood everything even as they jumped from scene to scene and it was jarring at first but the second viewing was waaay better
+Richard Hanks I get why you feel that way and I respect it, but I think 10 viewings wouldn't change my mind. The scale of this movie and the talent attached deserved more than what it got. Its positives just serve to highlight its negatives and display the fact that they had such good stuff to work with and they just blew it all on questionable decisions and poor storytelling. It's almost sad, but much like the movie, it fails to inspire any real emotion in me besides disappointment at its failure to live up to its potential.
Yes and Batman killing lots of people, that ok whatever u can do it if u want to change the character, but they don't even address it as a fact that happens. they just "hide" it in the action. AND then Superman is pissed off about branding, but not about the mass murdering? Not even Alfred bats an eye at the violence, which makes him into more or less of a phyco.
wrong, Batman was amazing, WW was amazing, alfred was amazing, BVS was amazing, the action was amazing, and the story was amazing, the film was amazing
The only time I felt like they got a little off topic, was during the Trinity team question which was who would you pick for a global threat. I felt like they weren't making arguments on which 3 would be better verses a global threat... instead it turned into 1v1 fights between characters so I think those whole arguments didn't really stick with the question.
"Not every movie has to be for kids"....It's a superman movie...Superman has been the epitome of kid friendly for 70+ years
Times change
+music guy
kids don't. we get a new batch of them every year. & we still got Superman bed sheets for toddlers.
& something can still be kid friendly & appeal to adults, too. hell, Pixar does it every other movie.
+mrskribble It's called BATMAN v Superman, more building on origin of Batman than Superman. Batman would look so weird in a 'kid friendly' movie with this tone, that's why we get Lego Batman. You know what you're getting from MoS, this comment would serve better in 2013.
+Ndoelicious yes, I said this back then, too. it still doesn't make sense to me. they are selling BvS tshirts for little kids at Wal Mart. that makes no sense.
+Ndoelicious and I'm way more excited for Lego Batman. I'll take my nephews to that one. they are too young for BvS, but they keep asking about it.
Don't forget about "Marvel Animated Universe: HULK VS THOR (2009)" .. As far the 'Hulk v. mind-control' argument goes - in the film 'Amora' (Loki's bitch) is able to cast a spell over Hulk that allows Loki to control Hulk's every action.
Question 4 was not trinity vs trinity. It was trinity vs threat. Y would i want the hulk if he'll destroy everything. Same with jason. Read ur own questions
To be honest, i stopped watching movie fights for a while, but this one made me want to continue watching again.
+CJ Vergara me too...and they had good guest this time. Everyone was respectfully fighting with valid points...still on #teambvs
I know Andy is supposed to keep his opinion out of it but really? Jason beats Luke Skywalker? That is some bullshit!!!! There is no possible way for Jason to win that fight! Even if Jason kept coming back it would still only take one swing of Luke's saber to stop Jason each time. At most Jason would be the occasional nuisance to Luke, but never a threat.
+ScreenJunkies I love movie fights; I love how fun, lighthearted, and nerdy they are. But there are problems with the philosophy and logic of the show that almost make it unbearable to watch:
(1)- Movie Fights is for the sake of the argument, it is not (or at least should not be) reflecting the actual personal views of the fighter. The fighter is debating on the show just for the purpose of having a debate, so the way I have always perceived the show is that it is an unspoken understanding that each fighter might not actually personally believe in what they are defending, they are simply finding ways to make the debate bot intelligent and fun.
(2)- This goes along with #1, since we have the understanding that each person is not necessarily speaking their own personal beliefs, arguments should NOT carry over from round to round. Example: in round 1 if someone debates that the movie was a failure, once that round ends and the next one begins no one is allowed to use the opinions and arguments presented in that round as an argument later in the show. So when round 2 starts and they have to pick what their favorite part of the movie was, no fighter can make the argument: "well you said you didn't like the movie last round so how can you say that this part was the best part!". It is both a logical fallacy and makes for a weak and easy argument.
(3)- When the round is over and the decision must be made by Andy (or whoever the judge may be) is not allowed to add an opinions to the debate. The judge can not say anything that adds or takes away from an argument, especially if it is a personal opinion. The judge has to clearly make their decision on who had the better argument presented, not about what movie they like better, not about who was funnier, not about who the judge personally agrees with, but who had the most tight, compact, and logically sound argument.
Of course I understand the the point of this show is for fun and entertainment. But if the Screen Junkies team could implement these rules a little better, it would make for an overall much better show.
Agree
+Zachary Stoddard Do you have examples?
Can I just say one of the things I enjoyed the most about the film, (and I think many will agree) Was the *SCORE* dear lord I loved it, seriously if your planning on watching it again, listen to the score, it is beautiful and gave individual characters their own scores, Wonder Womans theme when she's fighting is amazing, and so is Lex's and of course Superman's theme came back from Man of Steel that always makes me emotional...
I love a lot of the marvel films but one thing they all lack is powerful scores, they are good at soundtracks, e.g. Iron man and Guardians of the Galaxy... But score they lack in, they don't give individual characters individual scores, whereas DC excel in that.
+Kelly Davis Have to admit, didn't even notice it because my head was spinning with so many questions during watching.
I completely agree Kelly👍
I listen to the MOS & BvS ( which has been severely underrated in social media I believe ) soundtrack everyday when I drive to work, in my kitchen, on my I tunes.... so much so infact, that it's taken on a whole new life of it s own for me. The score when Superman does is beautiful.... simply beautiful.
I've made some very short film pieces with parts of the score, I find Zimmer's scores so poetic so to be able to try & tell a story with it is quite inspiring to say the least.👍
+Kelly Davis i agree, and i love youu
mgs85 If u decide to re watch it, try and listen to the score, i promise you, you will enjoy it immensely.
VERMISIMILITUDE That's amazing and yeah I agree Superman's theme is very inspiring and the most emotional...
I love how they gave the most powerful being on Earth Superman, the most emotional and heartfelt score... and they gave Wonder Woman the most powerful score that just fits with her character.
This was the best episode of movie fights I've ever seen!
Harley's laugh is just aweome :)
how surprising, Andreyko liked a DC movie -__-
Critics hate BvS because they don't like dark, brooding comicbook movies. That's why they also didn't like The Dark Knight trilogy by Nolan...oh wait..
1:25:16 Val Kilmer was also Bob Kane's stated favorite actor for the role prior to his death. Said that Kilmer was the closest representation of how he imagined the character up to that date.
Daaaammm Harley straight killed it, very surprising, didn't know he was going to be this good.
Round 4 wasn't argued properly. the question was to pick a 3 to save the world they shouldve argued that not pic a 3 vs another 3. even in the 3v3 system it was flawed first luke beats jason and even if the hulk wins they said Dr M won so then Dr M beats hulk. that round was a bit of a mess
This movie fights is all about DC movies but yet people will STILL think they're Marvel Fanboys
Your comment has no logic..
+The Hell You Looking At? Every fight was based on DC, which is fine it's DC's month with it's new movie release, and people have always criticised Screen Junkies for being Marvel Orientated even though that's completely due to lack of DC movie content to discuss, through of this though, people will STILL continue to hate on Screen Junkies because of the fact that they, for the most part, agree that Batman V Superman, was not a great movie... Enjoyable sure, but not great.
I can perfectly remember 2 moments when people threw the towel to an unbeatable answer to the question.
1st when roger said that the best villain in the 90's was Hannibal Lecter
2nd when they were asking the best poster tag line and someone's answer was the alien tag line: in space no one can hear you scream
My Ultimate Trinity to stop a global threat is: Toph, Wolverine and Batman
we need more Campea in this show
trinity pick to stop a global threat? Chuck Norris and then two people to take pictures of him kicking ass.
Every time I hear someone say that Ben Afflek is the definitive batman I get a stroke
MarTin ShorLux it really is true
Andy I respect you as a Judge but seriously, this fight was one of your worst. You clearly weren't picking based off arguments. Comic Hulk is not Movie Hulk, you went for Jason because he can "out-live," Luke which has nothing to do with them fighting, and you in round 1 you choice "fun or failure," in a movie that has more than 70% audience score on most sites. Round 4 there was a legit call before another side even argued, then you gave them 45 seconds and didn't even let them talk at the time WHILE helping the opposite side with their argument. These were either bad calls or bad questions. Seriously, I'd recommend changing how you "base it on the arguments," and what questions you use.
I really liked Batman V Superman, it's one of my favourite superhero movies...
good for you
+Leon Pierik i liked it too
8,5/10 BvS was *good*, it has flaws but overall delivers.
erosion271 No problem.
This is the first video on youtube that is longer than 10 minutes and watch it to the full. Gratz this was very entertaining
It would have been awesome if lex created bizarro instead of doomsday ,that way he could make him kill a bunch of people and cause a lot of destruction so that everyone thinks superman is evil.A better motivation for batman to want to kill superman and while we are at it they save doomsday for a proper death of superman film instead of waste him in this one.
+piero CORNEJO you are exactly right! that would fit the rest of the film so much better too. So how come hollywood directors and studios didnt think of this!
Yipppeee... More Comic Book Movie Fights. :(
The Luke vs Jason battle was a joke. Luke would destroy Jason so many times that Jason would just give up and go after scantly clad co-eds again.
I love that the trinity that should "save the world" turned into to a match to the death between characters!
Goddamn Trisha can get it
The arguments where they constantly compare people complaining about Batman doing something that seems out of character versus how other comic book characters or other characters in general act is weak. Of course no one complains about James Bond killing people, he has a license to kill that's the whole point. We are 4 years removed from the Dark Knight trilogy where it was constantly hammered home that Batman has one rule (no killing) so to suddenly see him mowing people down is jarring. When they compare Batman branding to the phantom branding that is also a weak argument and felt very out of place for Batman. However, I do understand that there are different interpretations of characters over the years and I have no problem with the Batman in BvS; the arguments they have chosen to use in defence hold no water.
Neither of these teams were smart enough to bring up that Batman killing people ruins the ENTIRE UNIVERSE for one reason.
If batman has no trouble with killing people, there is NO REASON for Joker to be alive in this universe. This Batman would put a bullet in his skull in a split-second. There will be no tension for Batman in this universe since his primary catch-22 of not killing his foes has been nullified from the get-go.
I hope he cuts Jared Leto in half with a minigun in Suicide Squad
I don't know how long Todd's been dead, and honestly, Snyder could wiggle out of that by saying "oh, batman went murderous later", but here's the thing. If batman gets a shot at the Joker, or any criminal in the future movies and he DOESN'T kill them, it makes no sense.
KTK
We know he hasn't killed the Joker because Joker is in Suicide Squad. However, you are right about one thing: if batman just offs the joker, the whole criticism falls apart. I'm willing to go all in though that there's no way possible that WB will off the joker.
The joker is batman's main nemesis, and if the arkham series is any indication, WB's cash cow.
"There were no jokes." Besides that good Martha Kent line? Alfred and Perry beg to differ.
Wolverine's Height and Batman's no kill rule is a ridicules argument. No kill is a core to Batman's character that he lives by. Wolverine doesn't have a code he lives by for being short...
Exactly!! Wolverine is like 5'3 275 in the comics, he'd look ridiculous on film like that.
+Dominic G Yes, this!! Love this! The truth has now been spoken.
So you turned a "Which trinity could save the world?"-question into a "Who would win in a fight? x3"-question... You didn't even just let it happen but actively turned it into that. It's nothing personal (how could it be), but you gotta step down as a Judge, Andy. You're really bad at this. It's incredibly annoying.
Batman V Superman was The Phantom Menace
Everyone who saw the start of the new Star Wars Prequel trillogy for the first time, when they came out of those theaters, they expressed nothing but good things. It was fun, the fights were cool, young Obi-Wan was great, stuff like that.
Sound familiar? Kinda like how people coming out of Batman V Superman saying that it was a good movie because it was fun, the fights are cool and the Batman is great, stuff like that.
Calling Batman V Superman a good movie is basically comparable to calling The Phantom Menace, and maybe even really any movie in the Prequel trilogy a good movie.
The 4th fight was totally off-topic. It was about best team to save the world, not fight against each other - that is a totally different thing to argue... i´´m really surprised nobody mentioned that.
I thought superman and Wonder Woman did speak to each other once when WW said this things seems to feed off of energy to which supes replied this THING is from my world and then WW sais I've killed things from other worlds before.
you are correct!